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What language is the most primitive one? Most people would say English is, but maybe you think otherwise. What methods are the most efficacious in a language learning process? I'm of the opinion that excessive reading on a daily basis is at the very least one of them. How long did it take you to become fluent? What is/are the language/languages that you're learning at the moment? Discuss!
P.S. Please don't point out my bad English because I know it myself.
Tbqh we may aswell start learning arabic
I'm currently learning Russian by myself. My girlfriend's parents grew up in communist Poland, so they're both fluent in it - so I can ask them for help every so often. Progress is extremely slow due to college though.
There's only one language that I say I've gained fluency in and that would be Irish. I done that by going to Gealtach every summer from 11 - 17, and just having an interest in languages. I'll agree with op and say English is primitive since it lacks the numerous ways to express yourself that Irish has.
>>58262429
>Ukraine in charge of informative discussions
>>58262597
Sorry to say, but Irish is also primitive. Shit just happens, dude.
>>58262833
How? Like actually what makes it primitive?
>>58262886
The very name of it seems to be primitive.
>>58262924
Enjoy your thread. Too stupid for me.
>>58263006
Enjoy my cock. I'm too generous for you.
>>58262886
Probably lack of sources (literature, science, news...) comparing to the big six (English, Russian, Spanish, French, Arabic, Chinese).
>>58263056
We do have our TV stations here, short film industry. All through Irish. There's some really good books written through Irish also. I even think Iceland has a lower number of Icelandic speakers when compared to Irish speakers. The reason being why there's no Irish in science and around the world now is that there's no reason for anyone to learn it. You've no reason, neither does that dick from Ukraine.
>>58263044
Don't let a stray bullet hit you.
>>58262429
>muh language has 50 noun cases, verbal moods, tenses, and persons
ok
>>58262886
When I hear Irish I think fruity neanderthals.
>>58263244
I'd love to learn gaelic. But tfw idk what books to read.
Learn Russian. All cute girls made their chose.
>>58263328
Duolingo, nualeargais.ie, focloir.ie.
"Dánta i nGaeilge" Google that
Tusa tube
I've seen a few things on T*mblr about Irish also.
>>58263578
What the heck are you still doing here?
>>58263456
Russian girls speak green card and money.
>>58263663
It turned out there's actually people who'll have a discussion. Possibly lack the shrapnel you have in your head.
>>58263328
What's the point? Irish is seen as a nerd language in Ireland. People will cringe if you try to speak it in public.
Irish sluts would rather hear you speak in a Russian accent.
>>58263690
Thank you, Migel, for your interesting oppinion.
>>58263769
No, it's not. There's places around Dublin that'll only do custom through Irish. There's Irish Societies in most colleges that have a huge following and there's some qt farmers' daughters in the Gaeltacht.
>What language is the most primitive one?
English is more excessively simplified rather than primitive. I like to see a primitive language as inefficient and bad at expressing complex situations we face in daily lives. Compared to Turkish and German, English might be counted as primitive. But there is definitely much more primitive languages than that. I dunno, Indonesian or some shit. If I'm not wrong, they say sth like "table table" to express the plural form of "table".
>What methods are the most efficacious in a language learning process?
Reading, watching and trying to speak (alone is also ok) in that language. You have to do a lot of repeating in many ways possible.
>How long did it take you to become fluent?
The only language I have become fluent is English and it has taken me roughly 8 years (Learned it in school, I'm lucky I was in a private school. State schools don't teach shit in Turkey). Along with Turkish, German is my native language too thanks to my German mother. Knowing a Germanic language made it much easier.
>What are the languages that you're learning at the moment?
I am currently learning Russian but do not want to improve it that much, B1/B2 level should be enough.
Weirdly, I want to learn Esperanto cuz I have an interest towards constructed languages. I'm even constructing my own, and complex cases can be efficiently expressed by it. It's all about keeping the balance between agglutination and synthesis.
I also want to learn French or Japanese or Spanish up to B2 level after Russian.
>>58263754
>there's
>people
Is there a difference between gealic and Irish?
Gealic is spoken in the scottish isles right?
Learning Irish would be cool, so i can understand moonboy better and sing folk songs
Éire og
English is really simple language
>>58263926
There are* I've been raised in a country with different grammar rules.
>>58263951
You are right indeedy.
>>58264032
But do Irish and Geallic sound alike? Can a Scott and an Irishmen understand each other
For they're both Celtic languages
>>58262513
Why haven't you already ?
Just ride a bus
>>58262429
I'm learning russian now, still in the very basic level.
>>58264135
To only a certain extent. They sound similar, the word order is the same, and there's a few words that are the same. Think of the difference between Polish and other slavic languages.
Is it even possible to learn Chinese in a single lifetime?
>>58263910
>t*rks in charge of objective comparisons
if you think about it, Hebrew is pretty primitive on the count that it got resurrected after ~two thousand years
of course it was modified to fit the 20th century but still, a Hebrew speaker can read pre Roman texts with a pretty solid understanding of the written
anyways any Deutsch learners in the thread?
>>58262429
Not sure about primitive but Spanish is objectively the easiest language in the world.
>>58265415
每天学好几个小时以上的话,我觉得就能够学好中文。
虽然我不建议开始学习这个语言。花很多时间和努力。
>>58265651
The tragedy is once you master Spanish you realize only sub 80 IQ people speak it.
>>58265810
an average Spaniard scores something around 99
>>58265662
Well apart from Chinese once you're fluent in English there's not a lot of useful languages so...
I'm looking to learn Magyar are there any resources online that don't require to pay any shekels to support their jewism?
>>58266049
France explain this, why is it du only in the second sentence?
>>58266186
>'hui
>>58266186
because you can't count the amount of wind.
As someone who is interested in learning another language, but never got around to it, I have a question.
Is it alright to learn by comparing the language you are learning to your own? For example, if I tried to remember a character by how it looks similar to an English character which makes a similar sound. Would it be best to try and learn the language as though I didn't know English (within reason of course)? I just feel like a dependency on English would make it harder to become fluent in the desired language in the long run.
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, I'm new to /int/, but I really want to know this.
>>58266186
Man... I know it's correct but I can't tell you why, it happens so often in French. My guess is it has something to do with the negation and/or how it sounds.
J'ai du pain, je n'ai pas DE pain.
J'ai de l'eau, je n'ai pas d'eau.
>>58266764
Study any way you find comfortable. I learned English by watching subbed anime.
>>58266764
>Is it alright to learn by comparing the language you are learning to your own?
Do whatever helps make it stick and as you practice it'll become more natural until you're not relying on comparisons anymore.
>>58267025
Thanks mate, I appreciate it - This was probably the main worry I had.
I'm learning Persian-Farsi through Memrise.
سلام
>>58267078
>>58267097
Sorry, I replied before your post appeared.
Thanks to you too - perhaps you'll sleep well tonight knowing some random kiwi is grateful to you.
>>58264022
>says it's *a* simple language
>writes badly in it
Your "advanced" slavic language declines nouns for all sorts of things yet you can't handle the way English nouns decline for being definite or not.
Congratulations on failing at a 'simple' language.
>>58267234
It is simple. I was fluent in English by age of 12. The fact i don't perfectly use grammar is irrelevant. I can survive in anglo country and have conversations in English about p much everything
>>58267139
I wish there was more Dari dialect rather than Iranian Farsi resources online. It's so much better.
>>58267391
>it's simple because I ignore the hard parts and speak like a retard
masterful logic
>>58267483
How much less primitive is the Spanish language compared to English?
>>58267483
>English grammar
>hard
Its all about experience and knowing 284749 exceptions. All in all English is one of the easiest languages to learn. I dont get why are you butthurt about it
>>58267597
At least they have proper verb conjugation.
>>58267597
I object to the notion of "primitive" meaning analytic languages (for example mandarin) and "advanced" meaning synthetic languages like slavic languages.
the devil is in the details, the complexities of English lie in the choice of words and register.
for example, a language like Italian is more complicated than English, but simpler in terms of word choice, everything in italy is "bello", whereas in English it's "nice" "fine" "pretty" "good-looking" "beautiful", "great" depending on the thing being talked abou.t
>>58267827
>whereas in English it's "nice" "fine" "pretty" "good-looking" "beautiful", "great"
Are you implying that only English has its synonyms?
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>>58271403
can you post autistic boy picture ?
i've deleted it but need it again
Ok, ok. English is very rich. And all slavs are primitive.Fucking subhumans.
After reading about persian history I kinda wanna learn farsi but it's intimidating as fuck
>>58267674
He's rightfully butthurt about you claiming it's easy and failing to make proper use of it.
That's like saying you fully grasp quantum physics and that it's easy but when enquired about it all you have to say is "everything is connected breh! Strings breh!" and refuse to elaborate any further than that.
tl;dr you're literally on mount stupid right now.
>>58271646
>confusing history with reality
>>58271693
I mean they have this immensely rich culture that it would be interesting to delve into
>>58262429
>What language is the most primitive one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona
Anyone know a Duolingo - style way to learn Latin? I'm a lazy pile of shit and don't want to stare at tables for hours.
>>58272032
Latin is hell lad dont bother
>>58272032
Just look for an Anki pack
>"Why aren't you learning Cantonese, Anon?"
>>58272626
I know it is, but I'm a /his/fag so I have actual reason to know it.
>>58272743
What's that?
>>58272974
Is that even possible to learn? Where do I get learning packs from?
>>58271652
It is easy. I play mmorpgs with north americans and nobody ever knows im foreigner until they hear my accent.
Hungarian for example is way harder than English
>>58273000
I never used Duolingo but I'm assuming it's learning method is similar to realkana.
realkana.com/
If so, Anki is same except for anything
http://ankisrs.net/
>>58272974
Because it's one of a few languages even more shitty than English?
>>58273308
>it's
sorry
>>58273329
don't confuse everything with Polish
Learning Portugese because of a gf I had from Brazil who got me really interested in it.
What are some good resources and things to better learn Portuguese?
>>58273360
You only get one typo here on 4chan.
Tread carefully from here on out
>>58273230
It is indeed possible to learn. There are some good websites, and you probably can find some books and audio files online as well.
>>58273329
(You)
>>58273522
All I found was about learning that shitty mandarin tbqh
>>58273522
and how many people can speak good mandarin in hong kong?
>>58273522
>It is indeed possible to learn. There are some good websites, and you probably can find some books and audio files online as well.
it useless as fuck because chinks in hongkong speak english, and it's extremely hard to learn for somebody which has a western language as mother tongue.
>>58273688
Don't discourage the other anons, Pierre. Just think how far a Cantonese speaking Ukrainian could go in this day and age.
He'd be unstoppable.
I want to learn Italian.
I will start studying it on Duolingo right now. Who wants to join me?
>>58273682
Younger people can, older people have more trouble.
>>58273688
>chinks in hongkong speak english
The English standard has actually decreased in recent times due to the increasing importance of Mandarin.
>>58273471
No, no, no. Polish is the language spoken in Poland. What you mean is actually Ukrainian.
I want to learn the language of love
>>58274153
good luck bud! italian can be pretty difficult at times, but once you master it you could easily delve deeper into the rest of romance languages.
I've recently started learing norwegian on Duolingo, gotta say i expected it to be a lot harder, but it seems pretty easy to grasp
>>58274153
Ia duolingo just meme or will you be able to speak basic italian after completing the course
>>58274687
Thanks, I have a pretty decent understanding of Spanish so it seems like it will be somewhat easy.
I tried Norwegian and it was very difficult for me at first, though I would like to try it again, or maybe Swedish.
>>58274695
I think it will get a person to A2 or B1, so it is good to use it with other resources.
I finished the French course and I would say it got me to A2. I could read and write a lot but I could hardly speak about anything.
>>58274695
You can't just do it in a vacuum. I'm learning French in combination with buying some books in French to practice with and shitposting in /fr/, et mon français n'est pas trop horrible.
>>58273480
I'm also looking for resources. Brazilian Portuguese has been the most fulfilling language I've tried to learn so far.
>>58273480
Start with duolingo,watch music videos with english subs,read brazilian online newspaper.
Thats how im learning german 100% by myself and im seeing some progress.
>>58275302
You can't learn German
does anyone know a good place to find spanish texts/video?
>>58267483
Shut up, you're annoying.
>>58262429
who is in for korean?
>>58275711
>Ukraine trying to forget what his ancestors did in 1942
>>58276604
What, die en masse?
>>58276927
He was probably talking about Stepan Bandera, but Bandera was a cool guy tbf.
>>58265638
Hebräische Verben sind ziemlich seltsam.
>>58276969
He was a boring generic nationalist, just look at his face, it radiates discouragement. Of course, I'm not consider him to be evil or something like that.
>>58277739
>Being too crazy for the SS
That's not boring or generic at all.
>>58275302
I'm learning german myself and by myself too...
How much time since you start? and how much you think you can understand?
me
>I started in 21 september 2015 (although I had some lessons before but with no commitment or actual progress)
>Right now Duolingo rates me at 49% of fluency, but I would rate myself in 25% because I just can understand and create simple phrases
>>58277739
wasnt he assassinated by a Pole who worked for KGB?
>>58278006
A good way to improve is to make sure you redo those early lessons when the gold wears off.
>>58278246
yes you are right, I saw that too, pic related is my progress right now
but I'm thinking in redo each lesson once I finish the theme labeled as "Adj: Acu. 0/6"
>>58279219
Make aure you're using it as well. Go bother the guys in /deutsch/.
>>58280117
oh I will, but when I can understand more of it; right now I just can understand a 1/4, guess another 1/4, and half of their words/sentences makes no fucking sense to me
>>58280117
>>58280422
Don't bother with /deutsch/, go straight to Krautchan.
>>58266186
Because in negative sentences the indefinite article 'un/une' and partitive article 'du/de la', used with uncountable nouns, are changed to 'de'.
Il y a une table dans le chambre - Il n'y a pas de table dans le chambre
Il y a du lait au supermarché - Il n'y a pas de lait au supermarché
Il y a la voiture de mon chef - Il n'y a pas de la voiture de mon chef
Il
>>58280768
>*Il n'y a pas la voiture
>>58262429
English is probably more "simple" rather than "primitive".
>>58266186
I'm a beginner too.
After a negation or many/few etc. always use "de"
il n'y a pas de vent
il y a beaucoup de voitures
etc.
>>58271652
>comparing English to quantum physics
kek'd
>>58281094
How can a man with a primitively moulded mind know for sure?
Noting that the flags notorious for shit-tier English are overrepresented here
>>58280504
yes, I'm going to look for any forums and sites even german tv... right now I prefer this kind of youtube videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHalU4mJmSY
>>58281094
>>58281691
wait what
>>58265810
so that would include you right?
Guess the language.
>>58283812
Finnish
>>58262429
There are no primitive languages
>>58262429
I don't think you know what the word "primitive" means...
>>58283954
Nope.
Oqaatsit ataasiinnaat naammanngillat.
Kalaallit oqalusinnaavit?
what is the name of that language in which you must "snap" your tongue in order to pronounce some kind of vowel?
>>58284118
O hi, the only anon who replied to my thread yesterday.
How could I learn Kalaallisut?
>>58284261
Do you mean Dental Clicks? They are more of a consonant, but I know that Zulu is one of the only languages that has them.
>>58284263
I'd say move to Greenland. I lived there for about two years.
>Inb4 for what purpose
Studying polar bears.
It's the easiest to pick up a language when you hear and see it daily.
>>58284555
>Studying polar bears.
You know why *grizzly* bears don't dissolve in water?
>>58284426
Yes, that's the one, it's fucking beautiful
Post your list of 5 best and 5 worst languages.
>best
Faroese
Icelandic
Greenlandic
Welsh
Czech
>worst
English
French
Dutch
Esperanto
>>58284664
Because they aren't polar?
(I'm surprised that I got that. I was terrible at chemistry.)
>>58284899
delet
>>58272032
Dont. Latin is way too hard. I am learning it myself. It is just hell on the earth.
>>58284983
>Because they aren't polar?
Exactly.
>delet
Sorry anon, I love Germanic languages but you two just suck. It's not your fault. I blame French influence on this. Fucking French should be pruned from the history desu lad.
>>58284899
Best:
German
Norwegian
French
English
Italian
Worst:
Japanese
Chinese
Portuguese
Arabic
Dutch
>>58285317
>Norwegian
You should check out Icelandic and Faroese. They're like Norwegian 2.0 and Norwegian 2.1.
>>58285442
Norwegian is really different from Icelandic
Plus Faroes have best music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qWD4paslXQ
>>58284899
>worst
>English
ok
>>58285442
>>58285570
Sounds nice but I still prefer Norwegian tbqh
>>58285688
See >>58285257
Frenchtrash caused it lad. Beaowulf was rad.
>>58284899
>best
>Welsh
>worst
>Dutch
you shut your whore mouth
>>58287592
hhh chchch hggh hgchgchgch
You probably thought I just said something in Dutch. Wrong! I just had to hem.
>>58287592
Dutch just has troglodytic spelling
What Germans say: Frau
What Germans write: Frau
What Dutchmen say: Frau
What Dutchmen write: vrouw
hhh chchch hggh hgchgchgch is what you will see on a Welsh road sign in an area where everybody speaks English, Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz.
>>58287944
>vrouw
I fucking kek'd for some reason
>>58268071
What he's saying is that those words have subtle differences you wouldn't notice if you didn't extensively study the language or grow up with it.
>>58288464
The ij digraph is really retarded
>wij zijn twente :DDDDDD
>>58287944
We don't say "Frau" though. We say "Vrauw" You can't leave the "w" out. Though I agree that the "v" is pronounced like "f" in fast, informal speech.
And the "w" is a Dutch/German W obviously.
>>58262429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
>>58288609
The whole Dutch language looks retarded tbqh. Sorry Dutchbros, except for the language, I love you
>>58288609
The IJ is supposed to be two i's after each other (ii). It isn't retarded.
>>58288770
>Implicerend dat Frans minder geretardeerd is dan Nederlands.
François "L'ouf de Bouf" Baguette aub
>>58288791
I'd rather see ii instead
J in any language is the worst letter imo
>>58289022
L'ouf de Bouf?
Didn't imply anything Wouter, think what you want about my language
>>58289043
Especially in Spanish
>>58289043
But the Dutch "J" is pretty much always pronounced like the "Y" at the start of a word in English.
It may not register that way to you, but to me, it seems unnatural to pronounce it like "Dzj", just like the English "W" sounds more like "Ou" than what registers in my head as a "W" (Closer to a Hv). Seriously, what's up with having the W be a vowel?
>>58262429
>What language is the most primitive one?
Toki Pona.
>>58263910
Kiel vi fartas?
>>58284899
You're just mad because Esperanto is Poland's only good contribution to the world.
>>58292208
The only decent conlang I know of is Lojban.
>What language is the most primitive one?
IIRC, there's a tribe in Africa whose entire vocabulary is composed of like, 14 words.
>>58292595
>14 words
Maybe phonemes but not words. Toki Pona is a conlang designed to have as few root words as possible. It has about 200 root words (with which you can compose as many new words as you can imagine).
I've heard of a language that has 14 phonemes but not in Africa. It's here BTW >>58283812
>>58292471
Lojban is literally for autists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rewmVNsmz0s
Just a random autistic thought
Could the development of a country be connected to the complexity of its language(s)?
>>58284899
>best
Latin
Portuguese
French
Italian
Japanese
>worst
Dutch
Danish
Spanish
Polish
Tagalog
>>58293068
Lojban is fun and it has original grammar but this autist teaching it to his kid should have the baby taken like they do in Sweden. He hasn't grown up to be a parent yet.
PS: Using an apostrophe for /h/ sound when you have spare h letter is retardation.
>>58273254
you forgot an article. if english were so easy, how come you still forget to add articles in front of nouns?
The best-selling book in history ... apart from the Bible
>>58293125
I don't think they're correlated. Slavic languages generally have very complex grammar, yet Slavic countries are still shitholes for the most part.
>>58293789
>yet Slavic countries are still shitholes for the most part.
they've had a troubled past, communist regimes etc which completely changed the course of their countries
>>58293900
Yes, that's true. I think it's a shame that not one single Slavic country has been capitalist historically up until now. I think some of them could easily have been on the same level as most western euro countries if they weren't derailed completely by communism.
>>58272974
I'm gonna try. I'm learning Mandarin atm and it's pretty easy desu. With Cantonese though I'm very worried about the increase in number of tones. The difference between the mid flat tone, the mid-low flat tone, and the mid to low falling tone is almost non-existent to my ears. It makes me wonder how natives even learn the distinction with those three tones since they are so close.
>>58293445
It is a very light h, so it makes sense.
>>58294071
It makes sense to use apostrophe for glottal stop. H is h.
>>58293770
Actually it's Mao Zedong's red book.
>>58294004
unlucky
>>58294121
But it looks like shit with an h.
>co'o
>coho
>>58262429
for an italian the most primitive lunguage is spanish....truly, italian for dummies
>>58293125
No. You can't know more information based on what language you speak. The problem lies with the capacity of the brain, not the language.
>>58294178
It looks like shit with an apostrophe. It looks ok-tier with an h.
Would probably look best with a fancy orthography like Welsh or English but no one is autistic enough too do it with a constructed language.
>>58294292
Lojban has a Cyrillic, a Tengwar, and a neographic alternative orthography...
>>58294283
Actually, the language does affect the brain. It's a known fact that the brain of a child is extremely plastic.
>>58283812
Hawaiian
>>58294247
why tho
>>58293125
absolute yes. nothing is more powerful than the lunguage. Lunguage literally shaped us
>>58294004
Hm.
I dunno; it's a good question. The USSR's failure was pretty catastrophic for almost everyone involved, but a handful of post-communist states have done reasonably well compared to other countries that have no reason to be doing as badly as they are. China's still doing alright, despite its half-communist politics, although it is not true that it's on equal footing with western countries generally.
I suppose if anyone knows of a country with a Slavic majority, ie. >50%, that was both (1) never communist/USSR, and (2) has persisted as its own state through the same time period as the USSR, then you could probably take a stab at the answer. It'd still be "alternate verse" pseudohistorical bs, but at least it would be relatively informed compared with this shitpost "wut if Hitler PBUH cured cancer :DD" threads on /his/.
>>58294380
What did I say about constructed languages? That there's one of them that is not shit? Well fuck constructed languages. Even if someone manages to come up with a promising idea autists will fuck it up kurwa.
Sorry but English curse words are not enough for my post at the moment so I'll just say "ja pierdolę".
>>58294431
Good.
>>58294396
It affects how you process information but it doesn't raise the capacity or speed of process.
I'll dump some pics in case some Anons are interested.
Starting off with Mandaring Chinese. Keep in mind this is if you want to learn traditional Chinese characters (if you want to go to Taiwan, for example) rather than simplified Chinese characters (if you want to go to mainland China, for example).
>>58294432
if you don't speak italian is hard to explain...
both lunguage are latin
spanish lunguage is partially read as it write
>>58294639
next up: Japanese
Many of the links in this pic are dead (namely, all of the torrent links, as well as Nama-sensei's videos which were still down last I checked), but you should still be able to find the torrents elsewhere.
>>58294733
German
>>58294582
I do not understand your anal anguish.
Man I've been teaching myself German for about a year now. I still struggle through Harry Potter and /deutsch/ but I do understand all sentences even if I can't nail the precise meaning of all words involved. Not too impressive but it feels pretty good man.
If I have absolutely no one to learn with/talk to what can I do in order to beef up my listening and speaking? I've been watching Easy German on youtube amongst other things so I can pick up some naturally spoken German but I still can't form a sentence longer than 10 words since I only consume the language, never produce it. I have a few grammar books with exercises in them but I just do not learn well with declension tables and shit like that. Reading normals books helped me exponentially more once I learned basic grammar. I prefer to puzzle things out than get told time determiners go after the primary verb or whatever.
Bit of a wall of text here I guess.
>>58294779
Finnish
>>58294899
Got Greenlandic?
>>58294972
nope, sorry
>>58294899
Got french?
>>58294845
there's a german learning group on skype. it mainly contains members from /int/.
I'll gladly help you with learning the language if you want to. Here's a link to the group: https://join.skype.com/hOXWvrTP5Aax
>>58295212
How about Esperanto?
>>58294845
>I only consume the language, never produce it
Go to krautchan.
>>58295212
How does that work exactly? I've only used skype twice in my life and that was just to talk to some friends that were in another state.
Is it like a simulated classroom or something?
>>58293770
what's so great about it Cortés?
>>58295311
there are no esperanto learners in the group.
>>58295325
it's just a chat with multiple people in it. you can write german there and other people will correct it.
using the language is extremely important, you have no idea. if you don't actually force yourself to write german with native speakers or skilled learners you'll certainly never learn the language.
that's because you'll never be made aware of the mistakes you're making, which will make progress painfully slow.
>>58284261
ask your indios, paisita
>tfw anglos are mind blown by 3 genders
>>58274606
so, french?
>>58295433
That's pretty interesting. I'll try popping in on weekends or something when I have more time available.
Do I have to be invited first or something? When I clicked the link it and loaded up skype it said I can't join the conversation. Is that just because no one is online right now or something? (Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just don't know the program well at all.)
>>58295577
if the link doesn't work you can add justin12996 on skype. he's the leader of the group and he'll add you to it.
>>58265810
That's cause you live around mexicans
>>58295811
unless he lives in the east coast paisano
>>58295474
>wtf, not a word about the dual number????
>puts the cursor on the flag
>Slovakia
>>58296206
every slavic language has dual number tho
>>58294779
Do you have one of these for pt-br?
Thanks for the info btw.
>>58296206
>wtf, not a word about wealth????
>puts the cursor on the flag
>Russia
If I'm about c1-c2 level in Italian for reading and writing will it be possible in 3 months to be able to speak and understand the spoken language
I'd love to learn Croatian for muh heritage but there seems to be relatively little resources for doing it and those that exist are pretty much impossible to find copies of.
Perhaps I should just learn French like every other Canadian.
What do you guys think of Mondly? I've used it a few times and so far I like it better than Duolingo.
>>58295811
>>58265810
>leaving behind butts this hurted
ayy lmao
>>58296653
>like every other Canadian.
I wish
>>58296504
>every slavic language has dual number
Um?
>>58296891
which one is missing?
>>58296832
I meant every other Canadian that actually follows through with learning a second language.
>>58296653
slavic languages except Russian are useless
>>58297014
I'm not really learning it for practical reasons anon.
>>58262429
>What language is the most primitive?
That would be spanish for me, even if it's hard to master completely, its basic skills and the pronounciation itself are very forgiving for beginners.
>What methods are the most efficient in learning a language?
Immersing yourself around an enviroment of people who speak the language on a daily basis.
Look, I'm not trying to be racist, but even fucking braindead mongoloid spine cord damaged refugees from shitfuckistan can learn a skandi language (all of which are pretty difficult) even if they don't even know what an alphabet is when they step on the country for the first time.
>How long did it take you to become fluent?
spanish is my mother tongue. But I grew up talking to my english grandpa on a daily basis (still not completely fluent tho)
>What languages are you learning?
Swedish with the help of duolingo
>>58296947
I was talking about the grammatical dual number though
>>58278006
Started in december,i practice like 3 times per week.
i can recognize words when i watch videos and read short articles.Still cant create sentences spontaneously ,thats going to take some time.
Duolingo was good when i was a total beginner so nowadays i dont use it that much for german.
>>58281847
lol'd
>>58298004
me too
What are some good resources for learning Polish?
>>58288485
Every fucker knows that those words are different in a way. The point I was trying to make is that Italian also has a huge plethora of words and expression and so does every language in its own way. Which makes Italian grammar-wise much harder than English is.
>>58262429
>What language is the most primitive one? Most people would say English is
Nigger, there are African and Australian Aboriginal languages that consist of less than 1000 words
>>58303488
>Which makes Italian grammar-wise much harder than English is.
I meant that the only reason why English may be harder than Italian is due to writing. Otherwise, Italian is objectively harder.
>>58304299
unless you're familiar with spanish, italian doesn't appear as difficult.
>>58296737
That's some severe homo-eroticism, Mexi-bro. (Not that there's anything wrong with it . . . .)
Anyone ever use Mondly? How is it?
English isn't complex but it has adapted itself far better than Persian or Mandarin or any other analytic language at expressing ideas, it doesn't have the hang ups of verbal roots or a tonal system. Complexity means more than grammar and conjugation, many primitive languages like the Najavo used by code talkers in WW2, or Swahili and so on often conjugate words to far greater extremes than German or Russian or even Latin, and may conjugate a word so much a single "word" with all kinds of grammatical stems expressing different ideas attached can compose an entire sentence. Really it all comes down to what defines Agglunative/Synthetic/etc. But I get the idea that the arguments being made here are pointing towards, "Because this language is less complex it isn't as capable at expressing ideas" which is silly desu
Many say English was chosen to be a lingua franca on account of its primitiveness and accessibility for everyone. And I think noone has ever been able to refute this statement. Feel bad for English monoglots though, their minds are already shaped primitively.
Never learn English, guys. Its primitiveness is striking.
>>58305517
How is English "primitive"?
>>58306090
Well, you won't understand it anyway.
>>58306122
That's not an answer
>>58306090
He thinks primitive and relative ease-to-learn are the same thing.
/deutsch/ is asleep so I'll try asking here.
>Weil es heute regnet, dürfen wir nicht draußen spielen.
Why is dürfen in first position? Is it because it's part of a coordinating clause (or whatever) and not conjunction has been used?
>>58306165
He's fucking stupid
>>58306132
amplify your iq first by learning a more complicated language
>>58306132
>>58306191
you really wont understand it if you dont speak other languages. The best test for being primitive is to say if the language is suitable for legal purposes. Believe me english is one of the worst.
>>58306193
Maybe you should try learning English, retard. Primitive doesn't mean simple
>>58306212
I've studied quite a few other languages, and I know that English is simple. But that has nothing to do with primitiveness
>>58306219
And that's why I didn't use the word simple, plonker.
>>58306251
You're still not explaining how English is primitive
>>58306285
You're still not learning a more complicated one.
>>58306240
>primitiveness
Jesus dont get mad. It is primitive bacause it is simple. But not simple to learn but simple in its construction. Its no insult. I wish polish was simplier. Its really great languages but fails when you have to write something complicated like legal contract or poem
>>58306319
I've studied 4 other languages besides English. Non to complete fluency, but I understand how other languages work. So explain to me what is "primitive" about English. If you don't, I'm going to just have to assume you don't have a reason why and that you're just fucking retarded
>>58293426
>portuguese is good but spanish is bad
what
fucking how
>>58306337
I wouldn't be mad if this faggot hadn't implied I was stupid >>58306193 >>58306122 just for asking him a simple question
>>58306371
It flaws adjective diminutives (noun diminutives are also used less often than in Russian), free word order. Also everything in English is highly dependent on context. Ambiguity oftentimes pisses me off.
>>58306393
i wasnt me so calm down. they were not insulting you. They were right that regular native speaker wont understand how primitive english is, not because he is stupid but because it is his mother tongue.
>>58280768
HAHAHAHA HOLY FUCK THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
I always knew that "il n'y a pas une table dans le chambre" or whatever the fuck sounded funny, but I never quite figured out what the rule is. Thanks, Russbro.
>>58306471
I will admit I'm not a linguist or anything, so are those things considered "primitive" in languages? I just assumed when you called it primitive you meant the generic English meaning of the word "primitive", meaning old or unchanged. I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious, by the way
>>58306610
>are those things considered "primitive" in languages?
yes. primitive=not complicated
mirin that bengali textbook, can't find it in any nearby libraries :(
Is learning Russian a good idea? From what I've heard the only good places in Russia are Moscow and St Petersburg, and all the Eastern European countries that understand Russian don't like people speaking it because former oppressors and what not. I like how the language sounds and how it's written which gives me inspiration to learn it but I always have in the back of my mind, "how useful is this really going to be besides a bit of travel?"
Germanic languages would be easier to learn for a native English speaker but they are mostly only spoken in their respective countries so they lack the 'applicable nature' of something like Russian.
Someone give me some good reasons to learn Russian, or some better reasons to learn a different language. Just really want to be able to speak at least one other language besides English.
>>58306845
no its not if you dont want to limit yourself only to russia. It useless in eu even in eastern european countries. anyway its nightmare for non slav. learn spanish instead.
>>58306610
Pretend the pronoun "he, his him" is now "he, he's, he."
This whole thread is basically:
>English: I waved at he.
>Ukrainian Mongol Language: I waved at him.
>Ukrainian Mongol: English is so primitive! Our language is so advanced.
>>58306948
>It useless in eu even in eastern european countries
Useless in the whole of the EU, maybe. But useless in Eastern Europe, don't think so. A lot of countries will at least understand you if you speak Russian in Eastern Europe, which is pretty fucking useful in my opinion.
>learn spanish instead
Spanish gives me access to South America, looks pretty geographically; would never want to live there though. Mexico, ahahaha. And Spain is pretty mid tier in itself.
I guess Spanish and Russian are pretty similar in the fact that they give you access to a couple really nice places but 90% shit tier, second/third world-esc places. At least Russian has the advantage of being a more 'established language' with a lot more interesting science, news, etc, being published in the language.
>>58267597
For start, spanish has real vowels in it alphabet.
>>58307198
>A lot of countries will at least understand you if you speak Russian in Eastern Europe, which is pretty fucking useful in my opinion.
what makes you think that they will respond positively and not angrily because you're apparently fucking russian
>>58262429
>Not having retarded grammar makes English primitive
No, it makes it more efficient.
Link related: http://www.amideast.org/blogs/english4success/august-22-2011-1621/english-easier-other-languages
Also, how is saying "in park cat" as in Ukie grammar less primitive than saying "there is a cat in the park" as in English grammar?
>>58291726
Dankon, bone. Kiel vi?
>>58307246
Would probably be able to tell quite easily from looking at me that I'm not natively Russian, not to mention I probably wouldn't be as fluent as a native Russian speaking the language. Also, I can always just lead with something like, "I know it might come across as me speaking Russian as being rude, but it's the only language I know that we'll probably be able to communicate in unless you know English?" I doubt the places that I'd be interested in travelling to would be places where if I utter one word in Russian I get murdered right then and there.
>>58306948
you're completely wrong
>>58306845
It is definitely worth learning. There are a lot of Russian dubbed movies unlike in English. The very language is kind of a lingua franca for an array of different countries with different cultures. Also you have a Russian version of 4chan which is much more populated than in any other languages besides English and Japanese of course. Actually be it said that Russian speaking world is very separated from other world, very few people can speak good English. And as for torrent tracking, Russian internet is the best, for people (perhaps due to possessing much less money than westerners do) are taken to seed rather than leave. And that's without mentioning of world lauded classic literature and poetry which are untranslatable.
P.S. Sorry if my English made you have headache.
>>58306845
and forgot to say that Russian doesn't have dialects or different accents (aside from Ukrainian accent, but not all Ukrainians speak it, only lowbrows)
Learning nihongo
>>58294733
fyi namasensei's channel is back up
>>58307354
did several typos aside from weird wording, sorry for that
Any latinfags here? I learned it in school and I'd like to pick it up again.
>tfw used to be able to read Tacitus without issues
>tfw forgot EVERYTHING
JUST
>>58307354
This. Butthurt Poles gonna Pole.
>>58307198
>>58307354
i was talking about eu eastern europe countries like poland, czecks, slovakia. russian is now useless in eu. i know that you can use it in most of former soviet block cunts but why would you want to learn it? For tourism? its too difficult.
>>58307557
Not as difficult as people say. And concerning EU, what about Latvia or Lithuania? Have you ever known that most people from those can speak perfect Russian? Or even Estonia, not all but a huge portion can.
>>58307354
You're English is more than fine anon, don't worry. Thanks for the perspective on the whole thing, gives quite a few good reasons to learn Russian. Like you said, the Russian speaking world is quite seperated from the rest of the world - I've never met a Russian in my life or even met someone who speaks Russian. It seems like (probably due to the Cold War, etc) that everyone just excludes Russians, and Eastern Europeans without actually giving them a fair chance, and especially considering no one around here has ever met Russians so our only perspective is what we get shown through American media (always the evil villain).
I think understanding the language would be pretty useful seeing as it would be considered quite a 'unique skill' compared to the amount of people which have something like French, Spanish or German as their second language. Not to mention knowing the language goes hand in hand with understanding the culture a bit more and maybe seeing the better side to the 'evil Russians.'
>>58307557
It wouldn't just be for tourism, could maybe further improve job opportunities (sort of a unique skill as mentioned before), gives access to a bunch of untranslated documents/media that are only available in Russian, gives a better understanding of the culture that is pretty much not talked about in Western countries. Not to mention I'm just interested in learning a new language in general, being able to read, write, speak in another language is just such a cool concept to me that I'd love to be able to 'experience.'
What's a good way to expand your vocabulary? I'm currently learning Spanish and there's a plethora of grammar exercises online, but I'm not sure where I should start regarding the vocab sites of things
>>58307557
What are the things that make it so difficult?
>>58307683
I never tried it but I always had the idea of getting a bunch of sticky notes and sticking them on a bunch of shit around your house with the word in the language you are trying to learn written on it.
Stick it on your door, door handle, closet, shirt, bed, computer, chair, pillow, water, fridge, washing machine, shower, tooth brush, etc, etc. I'm sure there's also a bunch of apps which have something like 'a Spanish word of the day' or just a random array of words you can just sift through.
Any russki interested in helping me out with russian (conversational russian and such)?
>>58307683
Reading. Pretty much the only way to effectively acquire vocabulary is by coming across it in context. Reading alongside an unabridged audio version of the text is a huge bonus if possible.
>>58307683
>What's a good way to expand your vocabulary?
Go talk to brown people in the latin generals.
>>58307638
it is not for slavs. it took me 3 years to make my russian more or less fluent. As for balts it only concerns russians living them. Knowledge of russian in highly overestimated there.
>>58307675
so why not learn so asian lang. more people, more money and more natural for strayan. i really dont get the appeal of russian. if it wasnt for my job it would be useless for me.
>>58307815
slavic langs are very complicated per se + pronousiation + cirilica
>>58307865
>Pretty much the only way to effectively acquire vocabulary
Why are Canadian posts so garbage? The most effective way to acquire and keep your vocabulary is conversation. You encounter new words and you have to USE them.
>>58307971
Pretty much all of the studies on the matter indicate that reading compelling content is the most effective way of acquiring vocabulary (and actually of acquiring other constructs of a target language as well). Especially for learners who have a relatively low vocab set to begin with. Actively using vocabulary is certainly important for long-term retention and internalization, however a major part of fluency is having a very large passive vocabulary set, as being able to understand native input hugely increases your ability to perform output which gives you something of a positive feedback loop.
Please don't mistake me as discounting the huge value of output, it's just that by having a large amount of input you are doing yourself a massive service.
>>58307836
Will it help if I say I'm a girl, not a fag? I need help with russian, mostly one-on-one conversation.
>>58307557
>>58307815
Russian has a few letters which are exactly the same as in English, some which sound the same but are written differently, a bunch of Greek-ish letters (like the letter that sounds like 'P' looks like the symbol for Pi in math, similar for 'G' and Gamma, 'F' and Fi, etc, etc), and then the rest you just have to commit to memory if you don't know any other Cyrillic languages/letters.
As for grammar I'm sure it's just like most other languages with a bunch of rules you have to learn and commit to language.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say it's an intermediate sort of language for an English native. Not as easy as germanic languages but not as fucked as something like Chinese.
>>58307953
>so why not learn so asian lang
I think it would be harder. Personal preference as well I guess. I think a lot of the Asian countries have their own culture which is sooo different to Western culture; just look at Japan and all the weird shit that goes on there. Where as Russian isn't Western but slowly getting to a similar sort of place.
>more people
True, but like most areas there's only a couple places which you'd really want to go to; making 90% of the population not really relevant.
>more money
True, but a lot of the industry isn't really desirable for me to work in
>more natural for strayan
Doubt it. Asian languages are like some of the most difficult languages to learn.
>i really dont get the appeal of russian
Just like the sound of the language. Sort of the unspoken, hush culture in the Western world as well.
>>58308139
Go to interpals and you will drown in Ruskis
>>58308160
Russian alphabet isn't that hard, but their "bl" and "x" are hard to pronounce for english speakers, I think.
They have also a lot of cases and hard pronunciation rules, which means you can't know how a word is pronounced if you don't know where the stress fall.
>>58308139
Skype?
>>58308188
I'm too autistic for interpals. Also, kinda lazy to open account.
>>58308103
You're a dork. You're one of those guys who read foreign books but when you go into a foreign restaurant you can't tell the waiter what you want. Speaking is the most natural and effective way of both language acquisition and building your vocabulary.
>>58263910
>German is my native language too thanks to my German mother
subtle
>>58308103
Makes sense, people usually use a much broader vocabulary whilst writing as apposed to speaking; so you'd encounter more 'exotic words' whilst reading.
When people speak their body language, facial expressions, gestures, pitch, tone all help to make their point; meaning the you have to option to use much simpler words. Not to mention people generally like to be brief, concise and to the point when speaking.
>>58308233
"P" seems to be the hardest for me because I can't roll my fucking r's unless I make a really 'throaty' sort of sound.
>>58308254
Anakhn1
>>58308254
Speaking is the most effective way of improving your speaking ability. If that is your entire goal, then yes you should focus on speaking.
If you care about having full, well-rounded fluency in a language reading will net you vocabulary more efficiently than speaking.
Keep in mind the anon asked exclusively about acquiring vocabulary. Gaining a set of vocabulary and improving your speaking ability are largely separate things.
>>58308292
"P" is super easy for the French, we basically have the same sounds in the region I was born
>>58308160
>more natural for strayan
>Doubt it. Asian languages are like some of the most difficult languages to learn.
i meant geographically. i can assure that any slavic lang is more difficult than korean or japanese.
>Just like the sound of the language. Sort of the unspoken, hush culture in the Western world as well.
yes. russian sounds nice. i can give it the credit, but that should not be the reason to learn language. first foreign lang should be always for job, second as a hobby
>>58308293
Meant for this, srry
>>58308238
>>58308294
You can't build an effective vocabulary without using that vocabulary. That's done in conversation. Why are you giving out advice when you have no clue what you're talking? You're a fucking retard.
>>58307683
Spanish is a phonetic language, so all you need to do is read newspapers or whatever. Write down chunks of useful language and memorise the lists on memrise.
Or you can just use the pre-made lists on memrise.
Probably better to learn from context though, so you can get a feel for how it's used.
>>58298004
>Russian has dualis
Christ. Took me long enough in Ancient Greek.
>>58308294
>If you care about having full, well-rounded basketball playing ability, watching basketball games on television will net you skills more efficiently than playing basketball.
We got an Einstein over here.
>>58308439
I don't know why you're getting so aggressive about this especially considering I'm saying that engaging in active conversation is important. I never argued that production is not important. Research consistently shows how important reading is to building vocabulary.
>>58308394
If I speak fluent English and live in a literally 90% English speaking country then knowing another foreign language purely for work isn't really necessary. Most people here don't even bother to learn a second language. I'm pretty much only doing it because I'm interested and want to do it as a hobby.
Probably a bit different in Europe where different cultures are a lot more mashed together. But when you live on a big fucking English speaking island there's no real incessant need to learn a second language purely for work.
TL;DR When you live in Australia your second language is purely learnt as a hobby, unless your parents speak another language and taught it to you or you work a really weird job and specifically need x language to work (literally have never known anyone that needed that).
>>58308575
I also agree that vocabulary is super imporant to aid general understanding of spoken or written text. Not only will it aid your speaking, it will help your listening, which is the other skill necessary for a conversation.
So many people in Spain struggle with listening because they have such a small vocabulary of English words, so whenever they encounter a word they haven't heard before they get distracted.
*JUST A TIP FOR ANYONE KEEN TO LEARN A LANGUAGE*
Search 'language pack' on tbp and you'll find huge torrents with a bunch of resources from a range of different languages, some of them are sorted really shit but there's a lot of stuff there none the less.
>>58308555
If you honestly can not tell the difference between those two scenarios you're not worth arguing with.
What is the point of the whole masculine/feminine thing? Isn't it just a bunch more shit to remember, trying to figure out if object x should be referred to in a masculine/feminine way? What sort of advantage does this bring?
t. language shit cunt
>>58308575
>I don't know why you're getting so aggressive
Because you're full of shit. Using vocabulary gives you a better understanding of the meaning of the word and gives you better recall. What you advocate, just reading leads to "passive vocabulary." You might recognize words but you have a fuzzy understanding and you'll never use them. Just look at you, you read a lot but you're a complete moron.
>>58308631
Of course you don't have a rebuttal. You're full of it. I starting to think you're just meming.
>>58308699
in a sentence you dont have to use pronouns later on . But yeah in general its shit.
>>58308699
>What is the point
Languages aren't a social institution. They can't be molded any way you like, but nobody really knows why grammatical gender exists, and it probably had some function in very very early proto-languages that has since been lost.
All in all, English is but primitive. Period.
>>58309588
>Ukraine
>in charge of deciding what's primitive
If this is what your political "elite" is like, I don't want to know what normal people are like in your country.
>>58294247
>>58294432
d'accordo.
Their version of il passato prossimo is weird because it only conjugates from haber + their participio passato. practically no preposizioni articolate, etc etc. No offense to any Spanish speakers as I love the language, but it's like low budget Italian. Too bad it's also 100x more useful.
>>58310223
Half the italian population doesn't even know how to use the subjunctive, and their tense system is horseshit; there are no set rules for using the passato prossimo and the remoto.
