the diference between a socialist supermarket and a capitalistic one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wukkxgjrYdk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05cdO1D5uWg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTy7dh6SL1U
a woman crying and hysterical because she is not allowed to buy food because she went the day before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQvmYcUUvPI
compare that with capitalist scum where the goyims are exploited and they live awfull lives surrounded by farc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wClb0u9zlRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4c1PyFH0lQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5emfLlpD4
reaction videos of venezuelans when they enter a colombian supermarket.
It's even not longer funny for me at least.
I feel like shit desu.
>tfw you will never genocide comunists
I'm sorry for ur loss
>>58255645
at first it's funny but then it starts becoming more depressive the more videos you see.
>>58255630
they owe us 200 million USD worth of dairy products
pay denbts Memezuela
>>58255630
El socialismo del siglo XXI esta destruyendo Latinoamerica.
>>58255786
kek
>>58255786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCUFhs_OfFg
parcero, entre mas videos mas depre me entra.
>>58255786
>>58255816
>>58255825
my bad, it was actually 300 million
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/02/07/dairy-producers-ask-uruguay-to-intervene-in-payment-dispute-with-venezuela/
El colapso de la URSS fue un error...
>>58255886
Well at least your country didn't build 570 houses for Cuba.
>>58255886
parce, el tejido social de venezuela esta roto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFphCGtPVvA
>>58255929
We did what??
>>58255967
la Gran Colombia cuando?
>>58256038
supongo que en algun futuro tendremos nuestra miniregion como la UE.
>>58256038
A este paso colombia anexara a venezuela en cualquier momento
>>58255630
>el congoLOMBIAN in charge of capitalism
>>58256014
http://www.larepublica.ec/blog/politica/2015/04/06/ecuador-entregara-560-viviendas-santiago-cuba-fines-abril/
>>58256142
we're the only few capitalistic countries in latinoamerica.
>>58256184
Jesus christ what the fuck happened.
>>58256385
we were never a left wing country.
you can thank marxist guerrillas for that.
I used to have a qt internet friend in Venezuela... Haven't heard from her in a few months.
She could definitely make £200+ an hour as an escort if she lived over here.
>>58256688
money is irrelevant in venezuela.
even if you had the money bakeries wont sell you more than 4 breads, you're not allowed to buy more than the goverment quota, supermarkets will ban you if you go two days in sequence and so on.
>>58256184
>few
>implying that legal parties have any idea of building communism
>>58256688
post pics Winston, I find that hard to believe
>>58256744
>implying economic theory without any evidence work in real life
comunism is basically the creationism of economics.
>>58256741
I assume many people have left? It's probably better to be an illegal immigrant than live like that...
>>58256929
all the people who had money to flee, already did.
they're even fleeing to here.
>>58256816
>implying you have read anything from marxism classics
Imperialism as the last stage of capitalism
The State and Revolution.
>>58256992
>I need to read marxist fariy tales made in the XIX century about some far away future without any evidence because economy wasn't developed then
may as well read harry potter.
It's a 150 year old theory.
I rather read current modern economic theory books.
>>58257044
>"Modern" economical theories
Yeah, another variation of 200 year old MUH FREE MARKET is much more reliable than the alternative view on capitalism backed with statistics and historical examples.
>>58257044
The Spartans were somewhat successful and very similar to Marxists but that philosophy can only succeed in a bubble where there is no contact with the non-Marxists and the population has no idea of luxury items.
>>58257162
>19 century philosophy
>versus
>150 years of historical data
>muh criticism of capitalism
pic related.
>stadistics
>data that was made in the 19 century
>historical examples
>wow, nice criticism of 2016 global economy using the greek modes of production
holy shit, is a fucking indoctrination.
it's a religion.
>>58257184
pretty much everyone would rather have luxury items than live in cuba.
>>58257184
The Paris Commune is more interesting
na man you don't understand that is not REEEEAALLLL communism
>>58257259
how does comunism will stop people from trying to make a profit of their bussiness?
if you stop that, then it's an authoritarian state and there's no comunism.
if they allow it, then the private means of production are not in the prolietariat and are in private hands.
It's fucking common sense it doesn't work.
how will comunism stop capitalists from trying to create private bussiness without a state?
>>58257263
it probably isn't though
but thte point is that "real" communism is near impossible to implement
>>58257236
>it's a religion
More like it's your refusal to .
A single fucking book, you can read it and try to say why it is wrong. But all you can say is "Marxism is outdated", like a mantra.
>>58257356
refer to my points.
>>58257302
>>58257302
Yet capitalists do everything to cement their status.
Or why do they tax the rich lower than the other folks? To "remain competent in the international market"
Or rather to prevent social advancement and cement the structures to a quasi-aristocracy, because heirs sure worked hard for their money.
>>58257430
and yet there's nothing stopping you from becoming another part of the burgeois.
capitalism award hard work.
if your work is more valuable, you get more money.
if you're an useless piece of shit, you don't get money.
as simple as that.
There's hundreds or thousands of people that makes lots of money because they're engineers or make bussiness.
there's no incentive when a doctor makes the same as a janitor.
>>58257430
>Or why do they tax the rich lower than the other folks?
What country are we talking about?
>>58257302
>...during the transition from capitalism to communism suppression is still necessary, but it is now the suppression of the exploiting minority by the exploited majority. A special apparatus, a special machine for suppression, the “state”, is still necessary, but this is now a transitional state. It is no longer a state in the proper sense of the word; for the suppression of the minority of exploiters by the majority of the wage slaves of yesterday is comparatively so easy, simple and natural a task that it will entail far less bloodshed than the suppression of the risings of slaves, serfs or wage-laborers, and it will cost mankind far less. And it is compatible with the extension of democracy to such an overwhelming majority of the population that the need for a special machine of suppression will begin to disappear. Naturally, the exploiters are unable to suppress the people without a highly complex machine for performing this task, but the people can suppress the exploiters even with a very simple “machine”, almost without a “machine”, without a special apparatus, by the simple organization of the armed people (such as the Soviets of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies, we would remark, running ahead).
>comunists are so deluded they can't even understand price and demand
>they think goverment can set prices better than the free market
holy shit
it's hilarious.
>>58257652
>comunists consider fanfics to be scientific evidence
hilarious level of delusion.
may as well cite julio verne or harry potter, lmao.
lol.
also in your text doesn't explain how the majority will be able to stop the takeover by capitalists by using non violent means (bribery), how such comunist state will stop armed militias from defending their masters.
also how you could convince the majority of people into action?
most people don't even vote.
>posting a fanfic is considered scientific evidence
HOLY SHIT
ITS HILARIOUS
What happens to people's property in a communist take over? Do I just lay everybody off and sell my shit to slave away in a factory?
>>58257162
Historical examples that ended up fucking up countries in real life. Besides, the free market doesn't exist. It's a yank wet dream and would be as hilariously terribad as communism
are those capitalism videos in Colombia?
where's the cocaine growing fields?
>>58257737
pretty much.
or there is an authoritarian goverment that forbids private ownership or the capitalists take over.
>>58257804
that's why I'm pro having both a free market so companies make consumer goods and the goverment taking care of the big expensive projects such as infraestructure and basic regulation so the enviroment doesn't get fucked.
a middle ground is the best.
dunno if that has a name.
>>58257826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSGQoZ90fX8
in the jungle dumbass.
half the country is jungle.
>>58257887
how much cocaine do you consume?
>>58257903
lol
my drug is a fucking coke bottle everyday and four cofee cups everyday.
>>58257903
Better question
How much cocaine do YOU consume
>>58257965
none
cocaine is a shit-tier drug
>>58257732
There would be a revolution, after which the proletariat takes the power and oppresses capitalists by taking over their means of production
The private property on the means of production is no more, so there is no way anyone can take over through bribery.
Armed militias are to be defeated by the power of weapons.
>how would you convince people
Good question. A revolutionary situation should form - the bottoms don't want and the tops cannot live in the old way, the masses should be engaged in the political activities. There should be objective reasons for it, like an economic crisis
Historical example - russians during WWI. Everybody want bread, comfy life and a peace treaty. Government says "just hang on, we'll handle the situation" and does nothing. Then the parallel power structures are forming - the Soviets of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies who start to make their own rules.
>>58255630
>What happens to people's property in a communist take over?
The means of production are being confiscated and self-governed by workers.
Your personal property (like a car, a toothbrush, a computer, a smartphone and so on) stays with you.
>>58257861
The market economy with big government sector is keynesianism.
>>58255929
no we built them a billions-worthy port
JUST
>>58258002
how would you convince people that now have a good quality of life, who wants to use facebook and watch porn on youporn while they play their PS4 games.
how can you convince them capitalism is evil if capitalism are the ones giving them ps4, phones, teslas.
good luck breaking the historical examples of people starving to death in russia, totalitarist shit on china with 400 millions abortions, and island where kids have to leave in fucking caucho wheels floating to usa, where venezuelans are starving and fighting over food.
how do you convince people to join you?
>>58258080
>means of production
does this mean a goverment?
>self governed
so, comunism is basically having another type of state with a planned economy?
how do you solve a planned economy being ineficient as fuck?
>entirety south america attempts to be communist
>USA overthrows their stupid communists and installs capitalist dictators
>'america stop interfering in our governments we know what we're doing!'
you do you, south america.
>>58258143
sorry but we were never left wing.
>>58258080
and what do the workers do with the money they earn? Why would anyone start a business(if even possible) in this country and not flee as soon as they can?
>>58258167
cocaineland was the only south american country to support the iraq war
wish we could replace mexico with colombia t b h
>>58258242
because in their religion everything works acording to their holy books.
if reality doesn't work that way, then the real world is wrong or they blame capitalism.
>>58258258
it's a shame most americans don't even know how great friends our goverments are.
>>58258143
They've been both equally devastating to the economy and the population, at least in my country.
The "capitalist dictators" as you put them, and the right-wing governments thereafter were corrupt and evil.
The left wing governments of the last 20 years are naive, utopian and incompetent. the result is the same, who's getting drained and killed slowly is the taxpayer.
>>58258280
>it's a shame most americans don't even know how great friends our goverments are.
your country is known for cocaine, that's a pretty big accomplishment
>>58258286
did USA even fuck with Uruguay?
>>58258286
i heard mujica was actually good for uruguay
is it that bad?
I often think uruguay is in africa.
>>58258340
yes...
they sent a CIA-FBI group to fuck everything up
the leftards managed to kidnap and kill one of yours and still a celebrity here even after being dead for more than 40 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Mitrione
>>58258373
he's the perfect example of incompetence
he left the biggest economic deficit in the history of the country.
>>58258118
I think that the revolution would start in the third world, where the contradiction between classes is much more visible and where the worldwide industry is moved.
>muh starvation
Justified.
>means of production
are physical, non-human inputs used for the production of economic value, such as facilities, machinery, tools etc.
>another state
No.
The communism is the new stage of society. Prehistoric commune was replaced by the slave ownership society, which was replaced by feudalism, which is replaced by capitalism.
>how do you solve the inefficiency of plan
The production on big factories is already planned.
The inefficiency will be increased by the wide use of computers during data gathering and organizing of production.
>>58258429
answer my question bolshevik ---> >>58258242
>>58258242
There's no money. Communism is the stage of society, which would be established worldwide (like capitalism is right now).
>>58258429
good luck doing revolutions when capitalism won and is already the current model of production.
good luck overthrowing the global institutions such as UN, unicef, red cross, IMF.
good luck tricking current goverments to give up their controls and good luck beating the world armed forces like NATO.
There's already a world goverment at this point bro.
you're fucking deluded.
>>58258489
>no money
how do you do trade?
>>58258468
There's no money but you can take the goods to consume from the warehouse.
You want to know what pure, unadulterated capitalism looks like, here you go.
>>58258501
This is why at this stage I think social democracy is the best lefties can ever really hope for. Especially a basic income.
>>58255630
You are all niggers/spics from poor third world countries. The USA should just nuke all those dumps.
This is a Whole Foods in California.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlVO_0b2B6Q
>>58258551
and another
God, I love the free market
>>58258551
China is extremely protectionist though.
>>58258522
I can't even entertain the thought, it's just too ridiculous
>>58258551
nobody except some dumbass libertarians want this.
>>58258522
how do you do trade without money?
>>58258567
I think some basic welfare will be implemented, but capitalism has been shown to be the best system for the production of goods.
>>58258551
>>58258597
>china
>free market
>capitalism
good, how retarded are socialists.
>>58258605
>nobody except some dumbass libertarians want this
Not true, friendo. Every right wing burger wants this.
They want black Friday every Friday
>>58258551
>China
>'pure unadulterated capitalism'
holy kek
>>58258605
he literally thinks there can be trading without money.
lmao.
>>58258646
>literally american trash culture
lmao
even then, technology will solve that.
haven't you heard of amazon?
>>58258501
Capitalism won like a 100 years before, when the last feudal governments became republics or monarchies with parliament. And that's great.
>>58258631
china IS capitalism, in practice.
>>58258605
Maybe I'm just bad at explanations.
>>58256184
Chile's left is as right wing economically as Colombia
>>58258701
>mercantilism is the same as current global economics
lmao nigger
>>58258719
heavily protectionists.
still a very regulated state market.
are non-whites all commies?
the only exception I can think of is japs and south koreans
>>58258631
>>58258655
>no environmental regulations
>no regulation on the rights of workers
>1978 open door policy
>not capitalist
Fucking morons, the both of you.
>>58257430
That is false. In most countries the wealthy pay around 40-50% of the taxes. Stop buying lefties bullshit
>>58258806
china's means of productions are almost entirely state owned
it has no concept of 'free market enterprise' at all.
>>58258765
>are non-whites all commies?
commies in general are bitter about being born into a shit situation. this is understandable and deserves sympathy but they piss me off when they try to fuck with other people's lives instead of improving their own.
>>58258806
Please don't make us look stupider than we already do.
>>58258765
>he doesn't know colombian right wing literally kills famous left politicians in presidential elections
bro, we're proud to kill leftards.
>>58258806
>he thinks I'm a free market retard
hilarious
>>58255630
Venezuelans = Mexicans
Colombians = Puerto Ricans
>>58258850
I know there are right wing people in non-white countries (my favourit right wing think is Colombian actually, NGD), but they seem to be the overwhelming minority most of the time.
The latin american right wing military dictatorships were all america's doing really. There's a reason they all got overthrown in the end.
>>58258835
It requires some level of intelligence to think altruistically instead of selfishly.
>>58258848
but hes right.
the only "socialistic" thing in china is the political rethoric and the general poverty.
>>58258429
Zimbawue's revolution is an example to the world,whike capitalist Botswana is starving to death...
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/botswana-zimbabwe-tale-two-countries
Leftards life in an alternate reality.
>>58258806
NEOLIBERALISM IS NOT CAPITALISM
IT'S FUCKING LEFTIST GLOBALIST BULLSHIT
CONSERVATIVES BELIEVE IN PRIVATE PROPERTY AND SHIT BUT WE ALSO SUPPORT A BALANCE BETWEEN THE FREE MARKET AND BROADER SOCIAL GOOD. THIS IS WHY PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS ARE KEY ASPECTS OF CONSERVATIVE ECONOMIC PHILOSOPHIES. WE WANT THE EFFICIENCY OF THE FREE MARKET WHILE AT THE SAME TIME TAKING STOCK OF THE NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE ASPECTS THAT HAS ON SOCIETY.
>>58258956
I'm not saying they are socialist but they are a far cry from pure unfettered capitalism. China is littered with state owned mega corporations and large private firms the state gives big advantages to. In fact in many cases for a foreign company to do business in the PRC they have to partner with a Chinese firm. The PRC is awfully protectionist.
![2ca40c81d538d969d9aab7887caec83c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qwlMYAC.jpg "2ca40c81d538d969d9aab7887caec83c[1].jpg")
>>58255630
Meanwhile on Miami the Venezuelan girls look like this.
>>58258956
they're not socialist because socialism doesn't work. China's current economic policy could be likened to Soviet Russia's New Economic Policy.
all socialism that is not stopped ends up at state capitalism because socialism does not work.
state capitalism is in no way 'unfettered capitalism'.
>>58258943
http://www.elcolombiano.com/opinion/es-colombia-un-pais-de-derecha-AF3456741
we have never had a left wing president.
the left wing here have the FARC and narco stigma, also cuba and venezuela.
they have no chance here.
>>58259006
You have to admit that there are full retard ideologues on the right as well who don't believe in that balance, though.
I'm glad I live in a country where all sides of mainstream politics, even the Greens, agree with each other enough on the basic structure of our society, economy and government that they're civil to each other and have positive working relationships.
>>58258765
japs and s koreans are taught they should work for an overall better society since they are kids.
this, in the end, makes a better society for all of them, ipso facto, better living conditions for individuals.
central and south america are the most liberal-individualistic shitholes in the world, they must think they're forced to live in a society or something... they cant have a productive life because they're always so focused on improving their own life. every individual thinks he is the center of the universe. in the end this creates a mentality of "fuck the macroeconomy, i just want this certain benefit the leftists are giving me" (this "certain benefit", in our case, is mostly "bolsa senpaiília", a basic income subside).
>>58259113
so how do comunist claim comunist will win if rusia and china are not longer socialists?
>>58256184
>mexico
>left
what the fuck is this garbage
>>58259142
>You have to admit that there are full retard ideologues on the right as well who don't believe in that balance, though.
yes, but nobody has ever let say, Murray Rothbard, near the head of a state.
libertarians are just as bad as the far-left, the only difference is that they never leave their ivory towers.
>>58259147
That kind of broad welfare scheme can create room for increased economic activity by taking off the pressure for giving the poors full time well paying employment. As long as the employers taking advantage of that cover it in taxes, it could work.
>>58259191
Doesn't Mexico have a number of large publicly owned companies or are they all privatized now?
>>58259006
>NEOLIBERALISM IS NOT CAPITALISM
What? Is the Canadian political spectrum that different from the U.S.'s? American leftists hate the idea of a totally free market. Milton Friedman was a prophet to right wingers. Every American right wing politician is a neoliberal.
>>58259147
>bolsa senpaiília
KEK. I forgot about this. I meant bolsa f.a.m.ília.
>>58259267
Agreed. I also think it will spur entrepreneurs if they all know they have something to fall back on.
>>58259287
>>58259006
Plus, you're ignoring actual definition of neoliberalism.
>>58259278
having a couple of state owned enterprises isn't leftism at all
expecially when the private sector makes a lot of buisness with them
pure ideology
>>58259267
where do you get the money for basic income?
make the math pls.
>>58259267
that's not what is happening, in practice.
>>58259338
Considering how loosly left and right are used havimg big state owned companies could be considered to be.
>>58259142
well yes conservatism was hijacked by libertardians in many countries in the post-war era. They are false conservatives and not really on the right.
neoliberalism/laissez faire is all directly tied to the left. It's not called neoliberalism for nothing.
The fundamental conservative economic position going back to Edmund Burke is property rights, free markets, and trade WITH oversight and intervention where necessary for the overall social good.
"the modern spectacle of vanished forests and eroded lands, wasted petroleum and ruthless mining… is evidence of what an age without veneration does to itself and its successors” -Russell Kirk
>>58259355
Taxes, namely corporate taxes working on the idea that you can increase corporate tax revenue with the increase in activity caused by loosening up the lower end of the labour market. You trade off a basic income or other broad welfare payment for the working poor with the unions by getting them to agree to more flexible employment conditions for lower payed and marginal jobs.
>>58259287
I'm talking purely on ideological terms, not what political parties on the "right" or "left" espouse
what we really have in north america since the post-war era is democratic socialism on the left and classical liberalism on the "right"
>>58259366
Yeah well RL sux
Reminds me of countless rants latin posts about having to deal with $1000 dollar PS4s due to bullshit import tax. What's up with that?
>>58259578
I've got a little list
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57v46gKmTjg
video explaning the venezuelan crisis, for the gringos outhere, the video says, venezuela problems comes from fixed prices, extreme and ineficient burocracy and extreme centralized central planing.
>mfw a comunist meme of the workers will decide how to spend resources is literally what destroyed venezuela economy
>>58259498
>I'm talking purely on ideological terms, not what political parties on the "right" or "left" espouse
What do you mean by this? You said "IT'S FUCKING LEFTIST GLOBALIST BULLSHIT." Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be talking about political parties here.
>what we really have in north america since the post-war era is democratic socialism on the left and classical liberalism on the "right"
Democratic socialists staunchly reject neoliberalism and classical liberalism is virtually the same thing as neoliberalism.
>>58259757
here's what I'm saying.
The modern right is not conservative
Just because they espouse neoliberal economic policies that doesn't not make neoliberalism related to CONSERVATISM in any way
comprende?
>>58259792
Okay. So what do you classify today's right under? Also, aside from Edmund Burke and Russell Kirk, what does "true" conservatism look like?
Another thing, you never backed up your claim that "neoliberalism is not capitalism."
>the difference between a socialist supermarket and a capitalistic one
Capitalism isn't the best option for poor countries, though. See: China and the four tigers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy5G0BULnvE
>criminal gangs have access to any type of weapon
>police can't legally use anything else beside handguns because chavez didn't want a coup de ete
holy shit
Chavez was basically planing to destroy the country.
>>58260356
fuck off comunist scum.
I'll kill you someday.
the only good comunist is a dead one.
>>58260356
>Capitalism is the best option for poor countries, though.See:China and the four tigers
Fixed it for you. All those Asian countries are amongst the wealthiest in the world.
>>58261255
Those countries only got that way because of massive, socialist intervention.
>>58263172
North Korea has also massive socialist intervention. Try harder
>>58255630
>implying venezuela has a real socialism
>>58256816
>comunism is basically the creationism of economics.
nice
>>58255630
I am a Greek and I support communism.
>>58255630
Gib cocaine
