why is ukraine so poor?
it has one of most fertile lands in europe, access to sea, developed infrastructure, developed sex tourism and a big population
>>58242679
because it was russia all this time
>>58242679
>developed sex tourism
>>58242679
Because of muh holodomor
>>58242679
Genes. Of course, the political correct elite here on /int/ will never admit that Slavs are of an iferior race.
I swer Serbia was less last time i saw it
>>58242679
Slavs will always be poor. It's destiny. niggers are violent, chinks are intelligent, whites are creative... and slavs, well Slavs will always be poor.
Maybe soon African states will send aid to Ukraine kek
>>58242679
Richness can not be measured by just "money". Humans are not gold coins like the jews would have us believe.
>>58242679
Communism.
The same reasons East Germany is still a shithole compared to the west.
Do they not teach history in school anymore?
>>58242710
that doesn't mean shit, belaruse was also and they're doing better when they're a landlocked shithole
>>58242895
slavs are white
>>58242919
your country is shit go to work what are you doing here
>>58242986
>Muh gobunism iz evol :"(
Self hating cuck
I wrote a huge post but in the end deleted it.
lol this is 4chan so...
Ukraine was good when it was part of Poland was shit when it was part of Russia now it's no ones and even worse. Maybe they'll sort it out(doubtful) or maybe they'll just give up, split and 2 different parts will join different countries(doubtful as well because of the national pride they have).
One way or another Ukraine started with a higer GDP then Poland after commie times but just couldn't transform on it's own.
>>58243013
>slavs are white
>>58243013
>what are you doing here
the same thing as you, it's middle of the night you cuck
>>58243013
Stop bullying germany
>>58242986
i get it, communism makes countries shit but other countries such as czechia, poland, hungary also had it and have far less resources and land than ukraine but still are richer
>>58243013
>slavs are white
They don't behave white. Period.
what is this graph, average net monthly wage?
>>58243136
yeah we don't invite millions of immigrants to our countries so yeah we're not white
>>58243097
ukraine is at war you know. and czechia Hungary poland etc were only satellite states. ukraine was full soviet however.
>>58243034
poorest parts of Ukraine are the western parts idiot
wypierdalaj karmic swoj gimbonacjonalizm gdzie indzie
>>58243192
he never said anything about one part being poorer than another..
>>58243136
Can you fuck off pretending-to-be-greek someone.
You're distinguashable due to your autism.
>>58243034
Ukraine is like Poland 1939, bullies to the east and bullies to the west. Their own system is cucking themselves. Big european industry to the west, russian energy to the east. They are getting pulled and pushed at the same time.
>>58243192
>wypierdalaj karmic swoj gimbonacjonalizm gdzie indzie
Is this Polish or did you just hit your keyboard in rage?
>>58243192
Poorest since when cuntface? USSR and theiur central planned industry?
Jeb się na ryj synku, gówno wiesz, gównem jestes.
>>58243031
syriza voter detected
fucking commie your system was tried numerous times already and fails spectacularly every time
go get sprayed by a water cannon at a protest or something
>>58243152
average monthly wage, i can't imagine what's the minimum wage over there. probably a fistful of radiated grain seeds from chernobyl or some shit
>>58243174
this is before war, and its not even a full-scale war at that, bad excuse
>>58242710
Russia was Russia all this time and it's way better
>>58242986
Yet it's been 26 years now.
Funny enough, Ukraine was richer per capita in 1990 than it was in 2013. (Recession since then)
>>58243174
>at war
???
Not since Feb 2015
>>58243304
>average monthly wage
do you not read the news?
every 10 years or so there is some revolt from citizens in Ukraine, often around corruption. massive corruption can really hold a country back. they're also very in debt, and now they've got this civil war shit still going on.
>>58243351
Way better than what? Your point of reference is suspect since you probably never had to live or even visit or do business with anyone from there, you are like Old Faithful, just spouting off every 35 minutes
>>58243469
Even then it was only two provinces in Eastern Ukraine. The Western provinves were literally silent and peaceful, yet still in massive recession.
>>58243469
That ceasefire is a joke, they still shelling and shooting everyday over there.
>>58243469
Friend I spoke to mid-late 2015 lives closer to the Russian side of Ukraine and lost his power sometimes because a power station was damaged by rockets.
Some areas are fine, others are still a bit unstable when pissing matches restart. Kyiv side is fine.
>>58243351
russia has oil and gas, degenerate (over 60% of budget)
w/o it its pretty much second poland by gdp
>>58243398
Ukraine was the richest part of the USSR actually.
>>58242895
>niggers are violent
perfect description of germs
>>58243528
Which are all their fault. Ukraine has been a democracy since 1990.
>>58242679
Because Ukraine has Red Ukrainian (Russian) and Blue Ukrainian(Western). Worst thing is Red Ukrainian owns fertile part of land.
>>58243546
Ukraine.... Use your brain senpai.
>>58243772
>muh democracy is perfect and can't easily be corrupted
yes, now enjoy your Hillary
>>58243694
ukraine has a massive armaments industry, enough grain to feed all of europe, coal and oil all over its eastern parts
funnily enough, this is the place where russia occupies ukraine :^)
>>58243772
France and Germany do not want a powerful ex soviet manufacturing powerhouse to damage their stranglehold within the EU.
>>58243634
That doesn't mean it's war...
>>58243903
+15
>>58243694
Ukraine literally was richer per person in 1990 than it is now. Russia is way richer than 1990. Even with oil at $30.
Pic related
>>58244088
It also doesnt mean that evrything is just dandy either, its kind of hard to conduct business when you never know when those crimean "rebels" may come and shoot up the next province, town highway, electric plant
>>58243842
Red Ukrainian is way richer. What's your point?
>>58243893
I know but it's literally a populist driven democracy. I blame the people. Just because they vote for idiots doesn't mean they are not voting.
i have a theory
it is possible, that after chernobyl, the nuclear fallout cloud that ensued after the disaster might have made nearly all, if not all ukrainians massively retarded and hindered their intellectual and cognitive skills thus making them unfit of governing their until-then prosperous nation
>>58243904
Which explains why they instigated Maidan over the EU treaty?
>>58244243
+15 shitpost points to you
>>58244257
Half of two provinces in the far east have 2-3 deaths a day from fighting.
Literally everything in the other 98% of Ukraine is safe (from war, not from crime).
Ukraine is not at war. That was my point. You moved the goalposts.
They also have the fastest declining population in the world. They have lost 10 million people in 26 years, expect 5-10 million more if they get into the EU
>>58244352
Belarus was more affected
>>58244257
> when you never know when those crimean "rebels" may come and shoot up the next province, town highway, electric plant
nah
>>58244286
A lot of native Ukranians were also displaced with ethnic russians, pro russian ukraians also had deep connections within russian business and finance, probably wanted to continue that but the Orange revolution put a deep damper on those arrangements.
>>58244406
Exactly, tremendous instability within the country has caused massive issues within the country and shut down many large companies, stifled their banking and financial systems, this has created the perfect opportunity for EU concerns to come in and buy at cheap rates. The EU just did not expect Uncle Putin to step in so heavy handed.
>>58244286
Imagine if the blue Ukrainian controls natural gas to sell Europe. Russians want them to sell to Europe. My point is Russian Ukrainians control over Ukrainian economy to take advantage of political ideology.
>>58244811
Russians didn't* want
>>58242866
>What is Finland
>>58244811
Why thr fuck are you people so fucking dumb? is this some kind of meme I fail to understand. God i hate you japanese people
>>58244406
And the divisions are no where near 98% between rebel and non, especially when you consider crimea. Everyone knows that the "rebels" are trying to create a landbridge from russia to crimea and probably even link to odessa and eventually Transnistria.
>>58244530
Which explains why 2004-2010 was such a shitty time in Ukraine, when the extremely pro-West Ukrainian-speaking Yuschenko was in power?
Guy lost badly to Yakunovych in the 2010 elections which all monitors said was legal and free.
>>58244740
Ukraine was in recession for 2013 anyways. The Maidan protest caused an economic collapse in late 2013. Then Russia's intervention in mid 2014 made the recession deepen.
Get your facts straight.
>EU buying up
???? Nothing important is being bought in Ukraine. They have huge anti-investment barriers.
Nice bait.
It was the EU treaty that caused Maidan, and this recession in the first place.
>>58244811
Except the Blue Ukrainians controlled the government 1990-2002 and 2004-2010.
The Red Ukrainians are richer. The blue are poorer.
Should the Blue Ukrainians go and communize the Red Ukrainians money?
Sounds familiar.
>>58244984
90%. Crimea had no fighting and the Ukrainians still count it in their GDP statistics for political reasons.
???? Odessa is literally 200 miles from the Westernmost point of Crimea.
Literally DailyMail tier conspiracy.
>>58245239
He just tells one of theories that Putin wanted to take all south Ukraine from Donetsk ro Odessa.
>>58245131
>Yuschenko
The leader who was poisoned nearly to death. Yakunovych, the one who fled to moscow as quick as a bunny after his "free and legal" election. Yeah, better read your KGB fact sheet there. The economic issues facing Ukraine are both external and internal, russia wants what Ukraine has, pipelines and industry, and the EU wants Ukraine for its population and industry, and to keep it out of Putties hands. Tug of war with Ukraine in between.
Get your facts Straight.
>>58245131
Thats why Yakunovych is on Interpols most wanted list, hahaha
>>58245615
He was talking about 2010 elections, you dumbass. Maidan happened only three years latee after Yanukovich refused to sign association treaty.
>Most fertile country in Europe is the poorest
>Shitty cold mountainous Norway is the richest
>>58245131
And Ukraine was already in a lot of trouble before 2004, see Leonid Kuchma, you know how to use wiki,
FSB sucks, I outta here
>>58243192
That has nothing to do with poland, the region was mismanaged since Austrian times
>>58244938
The main industries of Ukraine are steel industry and agriculture, most of steel industrial cities like Donetsk concentrated on the eastern parts as well as urbanized cities where many Russian Ukrainians live. The importers of their steels are Russians and Turks, therefore, in that sense, people in eastern parts of Ukraine relies heavily on Russians. In addition to that wheat and corn fields are on the eastern parts and south parts
as well, therefore coincidentally the average income in eastern parts is 10% higher than that in western parts.
Zaporizhzhia has largest nuclear power plant in Europe and Poltava Oblast has natural gas, oil and its related industries.
About population distribution in Ukraine, almost 50% each in both areas. Ukrainians in western parts are engaging in 2nd and 3rd industries.
They have watching that Polish's successful achievement after joining the Europe community, they are envying it and partaking in the EU.
On the other hand, Russians are not wishing them to do that Russians are supplying natural gas to considerable bargain price to sell to Ukraine
to take advantage of politics and its power. On the other hand blue Ukrainians wanted to sell that gas to Europe to be rich.
Those pent‐up disparity turned into conflicts together with race issue. There was an interesting questionnaires in 2013 " Which political system would be your ideal? Most Red Ukrainians answered that Soviet regime was reasonably preferable. I think Putin threatened them to quit supplying natural gas was the result from his overview of situation in Ukraine.
Have you considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, it is due to the fact that they have a FUCKING ONGOING WAR in their country?
>>58249059
> it is due to the fact that they have a FUCKING ONGOING WAR in their country?
Nice meme.
No it's just a reason for ukrainian elites to say "guys we have a war what reforms are u talking about aren't you russian separatists by any chance"
