France and Britain were useless back then just like today. I feel like an alliance would have prevented the massacre of Poland. They could at least have worked together to attack Russia.
>>58146285
Germany wanted that. Poland was to tsundere, so they go raped twice.
>>58146285
Why did Germoney invade the USSR in the first place? I've never understood that
Germany never was interested in taking any other country then poland.
The war with france and britain was the result of the war with poland and the war of russia was a result of the war with france and britain
>>58146377
>muh livin spess
>they're barbarians, what can go wrong?
>>58146377
1.) Germany needed resources for the war against britain.
2.) Germany (or italy even more then germany) expected russia to attack and take over all of europe and wanted to take the russians out of the game before they could mobilise their manpower from all over the giantic country
>>58146476
>livin spess
what's this?
Yeah but we went with
>MUH HONOUR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sepbDGP964A
>>58146377
>Communists (wanting to rule the world)
>National Socialists (wanting to rule the world)
>common border
What could have gone wrong...
Imho war was just inevitable and Hitler hoped that attacking as early as possible is an advantage.
>>58146377
Because Hitler didn't trust Stalin. He feared that they are going to attack them, which would be a pretty smart move from the USSR.
>germany, britain and america weakened
>"nows my time to conquer the world and impose muh communism onto everyone yay"
>start the zerg rush and march towards the west
>germany can't handle the assault
>britian falls shortly afterwards to the gommies
>US of soon the be rekt aswell slowly crawling back without any profits but thousands of lives lost
He invaded so they would not invade them. In theory, we know how it turned out. The entire War was lost before it started, because of them. No idea how they still went to War with these odds. But Hitler wasn't known for his tactical skills.
>>58146561
Ling space.
The German goverment offerd german families that stayed loyal to the goverment land in the "east" after a victory.
however its still not totaly clear what was the "east" and what not in the eyes of the german goverment
>>58146561
As by Mein Kampf, slavs are subhumans, so they can be eradicated to free living space for german ubermensch.
Wasn't germany and poland somewhat allied before germany signed the deal of common progress with italy
>>58146864
I guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_Non-Aggression_Pact
Hitler tolerated Piłsudski, but after he died things went south.
>>58146737
USSR just wanted to build communism and bring social justice for everyone who wants this too. But no Deutschland starts waving waving its dick around, so we need to put all resources to military sector. And still we weren't prepared for the attack, so I don't know what worldconquering plans are you talking about.
>>58146285
Hitler was untrustworthy as fuck and considered Poles subhumans. I doubt any lasting alliance could be made on that basis.
>>58147128
>bring social justice for everyone who wants this too.
Like in Ukraine today?
>>58147283
Russia today is your average capitalist country. About what social justice can we talk about with this?
But we're helping ukraine seps bcoz we've already fucked up with Yugoslavia once and not in the mood of this happening again.
>>58146285
The Soviet Union was unbeatable because of strategic depth. Germany and Poland would lose eventually
Also it is known that Germany wanted to conquer soviet territory in order to populate them with "pure" Germanics and fight the British Empire. I wonder where Poles would be in this very original social ladder, given the fact that Germans absolutely despised Slavs, and Poles the most out of them
>>58146347
>Germany wanted that. Poland was to tsundere
this, UK and France managed to sway us with their false promises. We should've allied with Germany
>>58146285
Yes, but Germans already planned genocide in 1937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Prosecution_Book-Poland
>>58146377
The rivalry between Germany and Russia had started since the 1870s, that was just the final culmination of something that had been building for a long time.
>>58148731
lmao
>>58146737
>No idea how they still went to War with these odds. But Hitler wasn't known for his tactical skills.
This was not so much a matter of "tactics" but more a matter of "strategy". As a German you should know your Clausewitz who clearly defines these terms.
In any case, the reason for the German over-ambitiousness is rooted in WW1. The Imperial Russian army was outdated in many regards and beaten with relative ease. Nobody expected the Soviets to have that kind of industrial output and to be able to muster that much strength in terms of manpower and conviction.
The idea that this was purely about "Lebensraum" and Nazi ideology doesn't really capture the whole picture either. The plans existed since WW1 turned out more successful than expected in the East (most of them came to be after the successful operations in 1915), and they were made in co-authorship with German industrialists. After WW1 failed, they wanted to try again and Hitler was their vehicle.
It should also be considered that the risk for Germany was far greater than the other way around - as it essentially always is the case due to Germany's geo-strategic disposition. In a war, Germany will always be on the losing side if it doesn't strike first and puts itself in a position that is defensible, so from a purely military point of view it wasn't entirely stupid - even though the strategic setup as a whole, in a sense of military alliances doomed the whole thing pretty much from the start.
>>58146285
Akshually Hitler jerked off to Polish victory over Bolsheviks, but everything ended with the whole masterplan to ally Bolsheviks to screw us over,
In 1939 he had two options, attack Poland (no one will give a shit, France won't help, UK won't do anything) or attack France(Poland will jump in and both French and Polish armies would be too much to win). He chose the easier option and conquered France shortly afterwards.
There are no more unhonourable creatures than French and Brits.
Patton said that he'd rather have a German division in front of him, than a French one behind. - Guess that's true.
>>58146347
Germany already wanted Poland as an ally in WW1 - or rather, it was the German Empire which even put Poland back on the map. However, Poland held the belief that joining Germany was pointless as they were going to lose anyway, and it would be easier to reason with Russia to secure Polish autonomy. This wasn't unreasonable, for even with support from Polish troops Germany would have lost WW1 and it would have made negotiations a lot more complicated. It also soured German-Polish relations however.
>>58149632
we fought for Imperial side in WW1 though.
But Kulturkampf wasn't nice you know.
>>58146633
and you were left with nothing...
>>58150384
we got based communism, so can't complain
>>58150655
>we got based communism
>based comunism
>based
>comunism
>>58150384
With our honour. Nothing else needed
Anoni, czy 40 stopni gorączki to już szpital? Byłem u lekarza w poniedziałek i mam podobno zapalenie zatok. biorę od tego czasu antybiotyk Dalacin C i jakies syropy i aerozole. Cały czas mam gorączkę, ale wydawało mi się, że to max 37,5. ale zmierzyłem teraz parę razy i jest 40. co robić?
>>58151094
ah the poles and their honor, reminds me to the film Katyn.
nothing wrong with it, but sometimes makes you make stupid decisions
>>58151171
go to a hospital, I have sinusitis and never had fever
Yeah, but Hitler's strategic long-term goal was expansion into the east to acquire world power status. So even if they defeated the USSR together, he would have to turn on Poland in the end anyway. If he doesn't do this Poland blocks the way to the East and he'd have to create a German enclave in Ukraine or maybe move Poland to the East or something
>>58150655
>tfw Poland would be one of the European superpowers if it weren't for communism
>>58151650
superpower? nah
but we wouldn't be such a shithole
