Why can't we defeat ISIS?
>>58129413
Because if we kill them, they win :^)
Because we want them to send millions of refugees to destabilize Europe.
Because Murica and Israel have interests in Syria and Irak.
We can.
>>58129658
Why don't we?
>>58129789
The powers-that-be don't want to deal with the threat of Islam like our ancestors did because they somehow think Muslims can be good consumers in a capitalist world.
Pic related
I didn't even know "we" we're at war with the caliphate since all they've done is kill other shitskins.
>>58129498
Sadly, this is the truth.
because we can't kill a part of ourselves
>>58129413
We can and we will.
In'shallah brother, we will crush those bastards who tarnish Islam's name!
>>58129413
Nobody is genuinely interested in defeating ISIS, its presence is an effective way of keeping the middle east divided and weak. It's definitely supported by Turkey, Iran, Pakistan and Russia, as well as the saudis with USA's approval. Israel doesn't care as long as muslims kill each other, the rest of the middle east is an intended casualty.
>>58129413
Isis is a intel/Economic problem. Its known that terrorist soldiers spend 80% of their time awake trying to get money. They sell/buy guns, drugs, wash money etc. Its expensive being a terrorist. basicly you will have to feed alot of soldiers, get guns and ammo, explosives etc. There is a reason why the terrorist attacks are more frequent now in europe. Something changed on the American economy. i cant explain, but the shift happend based on a shift of currency. For some reason is more interesting to get euros than dollars now for this terrorists. check out this italian granny talking about the subject. https://www.ted.com/talks/loretta_napoleoni_the_intricate_economics_of_terrorism?language=en
because you can't win against guerrilla warfare.
You can't really defeat an "ideology" the same way you defeat a country
Because the Middle-East is a shitstorm and there is no umbrella big enough if go into it.
>>58131989
Patriot Act made money laundering in the US too difficult, people switched to euro because european national authorities are lazy, corrupt and incapable of cooperation with each other. Italy is the prime laundering hub now.
>>58132046
this
it needs time and an extensive campaign
ISIS=usa+turkey+western yuropean citizens
why would you want to beat yourself
>>58131523
No one holds these two opinions at the same time because no one thinks only Bush is to blame for Iraq
>>58132258
I do
I blame him for 9/11 too and all of this hate for the USA in the middle east :^)
>Implying there is an organisation called ISIS that actually exists and isn't just a made-up propaganda tool like al-Qaeda.
>>58132411
>there is an organisation called ISIS
Mossad :^)
>>58132411
I think Al-Qaeda can be said to have existed at this point, even though it started as fiction.
>>58129413
You can't defeat an idea with guns.
>>58129413
because Israel and SA are funding them
>>58132411
You have to go back
because you can't win against gorilla warfare.
Because America and Israel doesn't want this
Because it's just Vietnam part 2
> PEACE AND LOVE MAN
> WAR NOT LOVE
> WE CAN'T USE BATTLESHIPS IN VIETNAM IT'S UNFAIR
Fast forward to today
> WE WAZ
> MAKE ISLAM NOT WAR
> WE CAN'T USE SOLDIERS IN THE MIDDLE EAST IT'S UNFAIR
> MUH CIVILIANS
See what happens when politicians fight wars? Nothing gets done
>>58129413
Ground is slowly but surely being made. We ourselves can't put boots on the ground since that's literally exactly what they want us to do for the sake of the apocalypse prophecy that is literally their motivation (basically it says they'll fight and defeat the armies of Rome (we'd probably be the closest equivalent, being Western, overwhelmingly Christian, imperialistic, and the world military superpower -- granted, we'd almost certainly kick their asses, but what if we didn't? That would lend credence to their prophecy, that'd be a disaster!) but we can help the people who ARE fighting ISIS with airstrikes.
The thing is, is that ISIS's whole thing is that it wants to be a caliphate. Caliphates are supposed to conquer and expand, and to even qualify as a caliph to begin with you need to control a certain amount of land. As ISIS loses land (which it most certainly is), its status as a "caliphate" becomes more and more tenuous and so does (or should at least) its authority.
Then add in the fact that they have no allies because they outright refuse to play the political game (because they refuse to recognize the sovereignty of any non-Islamic government) and consider even most Muslims to be kuffar who must be killed. It really is just a matter of time.
>>58133194
*fight and defeat the armies of Rome at Dabiq
because that would not solve anything.
>>58129413
What people fail to realize, is that although ISIS might have been the spawn of geopolitical powers pushing the middle east to it's limits, it is ordinary people, with radicalised religious ideas that enable a group like ISIS to rise. It is naive to think that the entire group is just one mercenary gang of the US/Israel/Gulf States. It is about the religious ideology that thrives in destroyed and derailed countries like Iraq, Syria and Libya. Yes, the support this group is getting enables it to be so strong. But the ideas behind it, the ideas that attract new lost souls to contribute to their cause, are not based on simple mercenary bribery. They are based on the psychological anguish of growing up in the middle east, and having such a upbringing as a framework for your world view. Nothing can ever defeat that. You cannot defeat the (un)foreseen consequences of your past actions. We must never forget, that the people who commit the atrocities ISIS performs, are only doing so because they were 1). Brought up with religious Islam, 2) were hurt by unexplainable (foreign) powers 3) have no other way of defending or explaining themselves as human beings other than fighting and rebelling. As long as the standard of living and accessibility of proper non-religious education is so low, we will always see uprisings of these groups, one more extreme than the other, but all of them, a product of backwards ideological religious thinking and aptitude in dealing with the realisation that we're living in 2016 instead of 1500.
Groups like that is like a hydra.
>>58132621
You can. You just have to be determined enough to use them.
>>58133383
>But the ideas behind it, the ideas that attract new lost souls to contribute to their cause, are not based on simple mercenary bribery. They are based on the psychological anguish of growing up in the middle east
stopped reading right there
because it would be racist
We can, the government is just too cucked to do anything.
>>58135446
Name one person, literally one single person, who has ever even implied that fighting ISIS is racist.
>>58135261
>information does not comply to my black and white simplistic world view
>stop reading
Enjoy being retarded forever:D:D:D
>>58135535
Obama implied it once with an eyebrow, do you even microaggresions? Cis scum
>>58135587
Obama is a devout Muslim anyway.
>>58135561
Being a filthy Muslim has nothing to do with poverty or shit like that is so used by leftards in an attempt to justify it.
>>58129413
Because they are useful to the current group of world leaders.
>>58135261
Yeah, probably a bit to complicated stuff for Orbanboos.
>>58135862
>>58135561
>Salah Abdeslam was born on 15 September 1989 in Brussels, Belgium.
didn't know Brussels is in the Middle East
>>58135561
The most fanatic supporters of ISIS actually come from Europe and grew up in decent conditions with better health care and stable environment than anyone has in Syria or Iraq.
>>58136078
tbf the most fanatic supporters of ISIS are literally just in it because going over there and raping a Yezidi child is the only chance they have of ever getting any.
>>58136385
its the tool of control,
ISIS is just a name tied with an ideology, anyone can take their banner up. You cant defeat a vision.
ISIS is just a name tied with an ideology, anyone can take their banner up. You cant defeat a vision.
>>58136385
That guy got killed and his last tweet was something like "I wish I could see my mom again"
>>58137100
lol what a little fag
>>58137353
yeah and I remember some guy on ylilauta who knew him from army told how he was completely fucking useless manlet and who annoyed everyone with his presence
>>58129413
Because Russia did nothing...
>>58137415
Honestly I'm surprised a brony autist got into the military in the first place. Wasn't his mommy worried her little man might get a boo-boo?
>>58129413
because you're too afraid of building BIG WALLS
because turley spots issi
>>58137730
Well according to the patch in his arm (that blue one) means that he was in logistics which is the shittiest of shit and only retards and lazy people are put in there
>>58137786
TUREY SUPPOT ISS
Why does ISIS hate Europe so much? If all the west fucked off from the Middle East would Isis still give a shit about suicide bombing Europe?
>>58129413
Because they are dispersed and living among Europe. They are homegrown and are growing within our own countries now thanks to mass immigration and lefites
Islam have been at war with the West for over a thousand years. Only reason they are beating us right now is because for some reason people think history stopped after WW2 and no bad people exist anymore
>>58138273
My understanding from the articles I've read is that, basically, they want us (or some other suitable Rome substitute) to fight them at Dabiq. They've been trying to goad us and, since we're not taking the bait, they're going after Europe.
>>58138503
>They want to fight us
Why? We would stomp their shit in like 3 months. No one can be that stupid
>>58138660
>We would stomp their shit in like 3 months
That's the kind of American arrogance that made you lose the Vietnam war, to be fair
>>58138660
>No one can be that stupid
Muslims, m8. 50 generations of inbreeding and ALLAHU SNACKBAR.
>>58138660
They have this weird doomsday fantasy where if da beeg west attacks them in Dabiq Allah and prophets fly down and start the end times
You just have to kill them all.
>>58129413
Because of pic related.
>>58138660
tl;dr they have this apocalypse prophecy that involves defeating the armies of the anti-prophet Rome at Dabiq. Now, Rome no longer exists, so within ISIS there's been some debate on who "Rome" is. Some say or said Turkey, since "Rome" when that prophecy was made would've meant the Eastern Roman, or Byzantine Empire, but that can't be right since Turkey is Muslim and its PM supports ISIS. It can't be Italy because lol just fucking lol >Italian military. Some said EU but that doesn't work either since they don't have a military.
So the most likely modern Rome would be us. We're predominately Christian like Rome, we're Western like Rome, we're an imperialistic military superpower like Rome. Plus there's the fact that a lot of people post-9/11 genuinely believe that we are the Great Enemy that wants to destroy Islam and kill all Muslims, which would further fit us into the position of anti-prophet. So they want us to fight them at Dabiq and lose. Whenever they think they've gotten us to take the bait, whenever word gets out about Western soldiers or government agents in the Middle East or heading toward ISIS-territory, they get downright giddy like an over-excited host.
Now, if we fought them at Dabiq, they'd most certainly pull out all the stops and every trick they can think of. Now, don't get me wrong; chances are, like you said, we'd utterly wreck their shit. But what if we didn't? If, hypothetically speaking, we fought them at Dabiq and lost, that might lend credence to their bullshit. That would be terrible. It's unlikely, but it's probably not worth the risk considering they're already steadily losing ground AFAIK. I'd genuinely say just letting the people already there fight them, and us just help out the people fighting them with air support, is probably the best strategy.
>>58139367
>losing to IS
I doubt that. They don't even have any aircrafts. Once you have air superiority, what's stopping you from bombing. Their SAM wouldn't be enough to prevent NATO from wrecking them.
>>58129498
This actually is accurate as a side-effect.
>>58132621
Communism defeated Nazism with mass executions and rape.
>>58139644
Y'know, now that I think of it, that is a good point.
I guess the fact that there would likely be civilians in/around the fields around Dabiq, but that's never stopped us before.
>>58137728
>russia did nothing against ISIS
>>58138660
>we would stomp in their shit in 3 months
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War
>>58139990
We didn't have a clear enemy in the Iraq war, we were practically waiting to get shot then shooting back, or going off of Intel.
Isis is an organized army
![001fae30-87cc-4e8d-9c3e-d958a6b29d85_zps9d803cbb[1].jpg~original.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ackRJ7r.jpg "001fae30-87cc-4e8d-9c3e-d958a6b29d85_zps9d803cbb[1].jpg~original.jpg")
>>58129413
>Why can't we defeat ISIS?
Imagine a Napoleonic battlefield: two lines of infantry standing opposite to eachother and firing away until either the other side dies or breaks and flees.
Now imagine that it's not only Army A vs Army B, but that Army B also has a bunch of infiltrants behind the lines of army A that occasionally shoot soldier from army A in the head.
Now imagine that all the officers in army A vehemently deny the existence of infiltrants behind their lines, even though anyone who bothers to look over their shoulder can CLEARLY FUCKING SEE THEM.
That's why army A will never defeat army B.
>>58139990
Not that anon, but honestly we did achieve our goals, occupy the country, and kill Saddam and his family within a few months. We just them spent a long time setting up an ineffective puppet government and sort of farting around because we're not very good at reconstructing countries after we wreck them.
>>58129498
This
European Union would be BIG GUY on world arena. Bunch of small states can't compete with china or usa. So not united Europe is good for everyone else.
>>58129466
Bullets with pork.
:^)
>>58140071
>ISIS is an organized army
>Iraq was different
Hahaha it is literally the same situation as Iraq.
We go in and wreck the organized forces, and then all the jihadis of the world show up to shoot us from the rooftops of the local Mosque.
I honestly hope ISIS kills you all soon.
>>58139311
Yeah USA sponsoring ISIS to destabilise new rising super power - European Union.
what would /pol/ shitpost about if there weren't any international crisises?
>>58140138
And fighting ISIS would be different? Just drive in, shoot everyone, and leave?
It's literally the same situation.
Go in.
Kill army.
Try to nation build.
Get massacred by guerilla warfare.
Leave and have the jihadis take over again.
>>58140071
Yes we did you stupid fuck. Forgetting the first 3 months of the war?
>>58140196
An instable Middle east only hurts Europe and our enemies.
All part of the master plan.
Isn't ISIS already failing? Let the sandniggers bleed to death from lack of resources and they'll be gone in a few years.
>>58140200
They're a bunch of homo faggots. They will not accomplish anything.
>>58140550
After 3 years of being bombed by everyone, ISIS is still in control of 3 major cities in Iraq and 2 in Syria.
Their territory has shrunk about 30% in Syria and Iraq. But the main cities and power centers remain in their hands.
Right now they are BTFO "moderate" rebels near Turkey.
They are far from falling apart.
>>58140579
So are western/nato countries for helping muslims out.
Only three countries on this planet are trying to: Iran, Syria and Russia.
NATO is actively supporting IS.
>>58139644
I'd say a big part of really is just that we're sick of being in the Middle East (and South Asia). The same reason we didn't send troops to intervene in Syria or Lybia (well that and it likely would've made things worse.
We've been fighting almost nonstop for the better part of two decades. Granted, in this case we would actually for once be the good guys (even if the whole mess is essentially our fault to begin with) but still.
>we
>us
>them
Basement military roleplayers are always hilarious
>>58140200
still buttblasted about 2008 I see
>>58140870
USA has been involved in a conflict for better part of 200 years
ISIS exists because whenever k*rdshits bomb civillians Western Media has to have someone else to blame because obviously those k*rds are honoured freedom fighters , not fithy massacring commie scum
>>58141245
Fair enough Kurds are barbaric clit-cutting tribal fuckers but your government also unironically supports ISIS.
>>58135587
When exactly?
>>58140870
We have 5,000 soldiers in Iraq, 1,200 in Syria, 300+ in Libya, and 23,000 in Afghanistan.
All active warzones.
Obama is trying to lead from behind and it may keep more soldiers from dying, but it also means these conflicts will last lot longer.
>>58141526
Who ironically supports ISIS?
>>58129413
>Why can't we defeat ISIS?
Because covering thousands of kilometers of desert and breaking their defense city by city takes a lot of time. If another US-led coalition came in with boots then ISIS would be destroyed in weeks, but then you have to deal with guerilla fighters and the bigger issue of creating another cycle of terrorism and extremism in the ME area. ISIS won't be defeated easily even if they kill Abu-Bakr and most of their "army" and conquer Al-Raqquah.
>>58146182
Then just nuke the whole Middle East. It's better to have an empty desert than a desert riddled with Muslim cancer.
