What is the secret of Europe? They are the most prosperous and
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What is the secret of Europe? They are the most prosperous and cozy region of the world, everyone wants to move there etc. But when any country tries to copy their laws, institutions, economy and political models, they fail. We have seen that in Russia in 90s, we can see it in Ukraine now. Arab spring tried to copy Europe but failed and lead to civil wars of liberals and Islamists. Any country that tries to copy Europe goes to shit. Why?
>>58118387
Did you actually save that from vk lol
I KNOW YOU ARE A SECRET KGB AGENT TRYING TO GET SECRETS TO BECOME A SUCCESSFUL COUNTRY!!
Its the white factor. :^)
>>58118387
Singapore copied Europe to a large extent and it went fine. Same for Japan.
>>58118407
Yes. What's wrong with vk?
>>58118416
No, I'm serious. Your models work perfectly in Europe but when we or Mexicans implement it we get a ruined economy, mass poverty and rise of anti-European nationalism in the end.
>>58118507
I think we just got lucky to be honest with resources and seeing as we were founded by the same people we keep each other from going third world I don't know how else to put it it's not like Australians are that hard working anyway I wish I could tell you why I can only think it's because the British founded most of the successful first world countries.
Russia IS Europe
>>58118387
They descend from superior northern human species with a high animal fat diet
also millenia of trial and error. europe was fucking shit before the 1700s
>>58118387
>But when any country tries to copy their laws, institutions, economy and political models, they fail.
Half of the ex-communist countries did that and they succeeded.
Probably because before joining the EU they actually were supervised by the old European states and had to meet the requirements before joining.
Countries like Russia had basically no help from the West and tried their best to make it work but it was flawed in many ways, also they were not integrated into a common European market and were not giving EU funds for infrastructure etc. which could have boosted the economy and stabilized the democratic institutions.
>>58118505
Not really. Their model of capitalism is based more on monopolies and state factor, and their laws and political model is very different from European (especially for Singapore).
>>58118470
What about non-European whites then who suck dicks like Georgians, Russians or Argentinians (and I would say that many Turks are pretty white) and successful Asian countries? You live in UAE yourself as I can judge by your flag and it's pretty prosperous too.
>>58118387
we had the enlightenment, the renaissance and the reformation, all of these things combined are what makes europe the best place to live. Arab and african shitholes can't just reproduce something like that like a photcopy, they sort of have to have it happen to them as well.
>>58118643
>non-European whites
>like Russians
wew, the propaganda is heating up there, isn't it?
>>58118631
>they succeeded
Oh wow. Russia is so successful. Or Poland. And Bulgaria and Romania are so successful not mentioning Ukraine.
>>58118623
Kek. No, it's certainly not.
>>58118627
They climbed out of shit because of they were the first who conquered colonies and invented capitalism. I am talking about different thing, that when anyone tries to copy their model they fail.
>>58118783
>Kek. No, it's certainly not.
geography, history, and common sense says otherwise. you're just a European country that kept its colonial empire because it didn't have anybody living in it.
>>58118716
What do you mean?
>>58118697
You don't have to pass these processes (and it is impossible - how can Russia or Vietnam pass the reformation with different Christianity or without Christianity at all or have the Renaissance without having any Roman or Greek ancestry). We also have examples of Japan, South Korea, China, Dubai, Singapore etc who have built rich and developed economy without passing those processes.
>>58118955
Putin's decided you're "Eurasian" now, hasn't he?
>>58118507
first of all, implementing these things took decades or even centuries in Europe, so you shouldn't say it doesnt work after only 25 years, russia-san
also, the part where the populace changes is the key part: every single person (almost) must carry changes like equality, ordnung, discipline, etc etc. if your people on avarage have shitty characters and are not retrained, no model will prevent the country from being shitty
read up on how workers have been reeducated in the west over the past few centuries if youre really interested. from education to building proper homes and villages for them, a lot of work has been done
>>58118822
Man, you know nothing about Russian history. We had barely no contacts with Europe before Peter the Great who westernized Russian elites and state but not Russian people. Our mindset, climate and geography (we are cold flat country covered with steeps and forests) is absolutely different from European. We didn't have colonies in European sence, our elites made all inferior Russians slaves and exploited them selling resources to the West. We don't associate ourselves with Europe and talk about Europe as about foreign force. And that all not mentioning that Russians and Europeans have been enemies for the most of history.
>>58119126
>We had barely no contacts with Europe before Peter the Great
thats simply a load of bull. you probably confuse europe with western europe.
who westernized Russian elites and state but not Russian people.
that part is true.
Culture of mutual trust and respect probably. As individualist as we are we seem to have less clan/family based societies than Arabs for instance, instead we see ourselves as part of the bigger society. History of nationalism might play a big part in this at least Finland really started to prosper only after the common Finnish identity replaced the more fragmented pre-war identities.
I think that culturally Europeans hit the sweet spot between collectivism and individualism which makes stable societies while also making people try to make the best out of themselves. Of course this is just my own thinking and I have little science to back this up, but reading about history and other cultures and their concepts of honor and loyalty and their in-groups and out-groups seem to back this up. Wealth alone can't be the reason for Europe's success, eg. Finland managed to make itself from a poor agrarian country to a rich service based economy in just only decades and the ex-USSR states seem to be rapidly rising now too. Of course these countries benefit from being near to countries which are already successful.
>>58118631
>Half of the ex-communist countries did that and they succeeded.
They are still shithole by any western european country's standard and the only reason they are doing better now is thanks to the free money they get from us. Just look at Poland, they don't contribute to the EU or NATO and yet are part of both organizations just for the euro-money and the free security that allows them to save on military budget. Yet Poland is still a shithole
Literally a NEET country
>>58118999
Eurasism has been opposing the pro-western liberalism since mid-19th century. It's the traditional mainstream school of Russian nationalism so most of Russian right wingers consider themselves Eurasian, as well as most of our left wingers. Only liberals here consider Russia European, but not all of them.
>>58119126
being European =/= westernising, Russian culture is European too just by nature of being created by a European people in Europe. Eastern Europe and Slavs are European too.
Europe is not a political ideology, it's a continent.
>We don't associate ourselves with Europe and talk about Europe as about foreign force.
So do a huge amount of British people.
>Russians and Europeans have been enemies for the most of history.
except when we fought together against Napoleon, the Kaiser, and Hitler and you declared yourself the Third Rome.
Ultimately it doesn't really matter, though, as long as Turkey is kept out.
>>58119262
>just for the euro-money and the free security that allows them to save on military budget
france and bolan (and greece) are the only ones reaching the 2%. its western euro countries that use nato to save on their military budgets
its all about fat land
>>58119300
and you know that eurasianism is just a recently constructed fantasy right?
fuc rusia
>>58118387
Century long history of democracy, liberal economy, and secularism.
>>58119349
Oh wow. It was created by slavyanophiles in middle of 19th century by Aksakov, Danilevsky etc. It has been the dominant idea of Russian nationalists for the last 150 years.
>>58119644
>Russian nationalists
there you go.
as if that faction has any authority
>>58118507
>we or Mexicans
Protip: You're not doing it right.
t. Country that successfully copied Europe.
>>58118643
I don't know about the rest but asians make it cause they're intelligent and invent a lot of shit, see sony, samsung, toyota and kia/hyundai
UAE has oil, it's the main reason it's prosperous but we're also moving away from that and looking to tourism.
>>58119262
(You)
>most prosperous
>>58119302
Napoleon, Kaiser and Hitler were Europeans who invaded our country and killed Russians.
>>58119192
Our only contacts before the Peter were wars with Teuton knights and Swedes who crusaded us and trade with Scandinavia. It's not comparable to a close contacts with pechenegs, polowcy, Golden horde etc. The national hero of Russia is Alexander Nevsky who was friend of Horde and fought European crusaders.
>>58119811
contacts has nothing to do with influence. culturally, russia is clearly (east)-euro, not even remotely similar to golden hordes, china or persia of whatever.
this is evident
>>58119811
Russia must side with Asia
Please give East Siberia to China, Japan, Korea, India and we will give you money to keep your muscovite shithole alive
>>58119126
>We had barely no contacts with Europe before Peter the Great
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscovite%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Wars#Fourth_war_.281512.E2.80.931522.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Muscovite_War_(1605%E2%80%9318)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1686%E2%80%931700)
>>58119811
>Napoleon, Kaiser and Hitler were Europeans who invaded our country and killed Russians.
they invaded many countries and killed many people, so what? The fact that you are located in Europe allied to other European countries fighting other Europeans and not Asians for most of your history doesn't really damage my case. I think Britain probably has more to do historically with Asia than Russia does.
>>58118623
Some parts of Russia are geographically situated in Europe, but Russians aren't really european.
>>58119801
>t. european colony
>>58120047
100mil+ russians live in europe, are culturally closest to other east euros, speak an euro language and have a (relatively) european society.
i see you have some north korea level exceptionalistic complex going on though.
>>58120047
You should grow up and stop seeing russia as somekind of a snowflake country.
>>58120047
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>>58120135
Evola talks about Russia as a culture that never achieved enough critical mass to develop its own culture
Russians are a failed culture, a historical anomaly.
In the long run they will be partitioned between Europe and Asia.
West of Urals will go to Europe
>>58120188
>he thinks he's smart because he read evola
>>58120047
>White (racially European)
check
>Christian
check
>Speak indo-European language
check
>culturally Slavic (European), culturally similar to many countries in Eastern Europe rather than Asian ones
check
>vast majority of population lives in Europe
check
>historically involved with Europe, had a monarchy intermarried with other European ones, was part of the system of alliances
check
I can literally think of some actual EU members that don't have all of these.
>>58120188
more like Ebola
>>58120213
>>58120253
butthurt slavs can't handle the truth
>>58120306
lol if you want to go down his whole retarded ideology, then australians are the worst. you're literally a prisoner colony. you're sons and daughters of scum. australian nationalism just makes me fucking laugh
>>58119197
What do you suppose creates these strong community ties? I wonder if it's anything like how Alaskans live, small villages with a few medium sized cities here and there mean the population is too small to really have any major domestic problems.
>>58120306
How is evola the truth?
Also
>In the long run they will be partitioned between Europe and Asia.
This meme is like what, centuries old?
>>58120390
So much asspain
We are a prisoner colony with the highest ratio of GDP to population. A POPULATION of 20 MILLION people created an economy worth 1.5 TRILLION.
Your fucking shithole DESPITE having access to more land, more people, and more of a history of industrial development has only 500 billion more of an "economy" despite having population 7 times ours.
We are genetically the crem. de la creme, the best and brightest of the world come to Australia
Russia is a dying nation because it is founded on a split personality of west and east. Russias religion was borrowed from the West (orthodoxy) and all their development has originated in the West. Unlike the East which had culture separate from the West, Russia has never had anything indigenous to itself and has had to continuously borrow whilst trying to fabricate a cultural independence, culminating in the failure of Russo-dominated Sovietology.
Which failed miserably.
Russia is contracting and will inevitably lose its regions to demographic overload.
Finished.
>>58120553
>so much asspain
>writes a fucking book for us
>Finished.
firstly, edgy as fuck ending bro. you /pol/tards never cease to make me laugh. are you even self aware? thanks for the novelal aswell
people have been saying russia is going to break apart for fucking years. still here though
>>58118387
It only works for white people
>>58120710
>>58120735
You need it drilled into your head that your country is finished.
Bresinski and the American consensus have their sights firmly set on dismantling Russia. The entire Russian periphery will come under assault and attack repeatedly for the next 50 years until the Muscovite octopus is so economically assravaged that they are forced to turn to their Chinese """""friend""" to manage their Far East.
Lets see how long your disgusting state can last shall we?
With the Poles, Ukranians and soon the Central Asians agitated against the Muscovite entity, it is only a matter of time before you country fractures
I want to savor in your misery, you should salivate at the fact that your entire country will collapse in your lifetime, the progression of Russia is a downward spiral since 1917 rushing to a predetermined conclusion
>>58120832
you sound like a poorly written video game villain. someone please tell me this is well masked self aware post?
>>58120832
>your
OP, stop pretending russia is not european. See>>58120225
>>58120083
ex european colony
The difference is simple.
Europeans respect each others property.
And if they dont, then businesses fail and people become poor.
Especially maffias and corruption destroy countries.
>>58120400
I actually once read a text about this, it was about why people seem to lie and take advantage of you more in the southern cultures than in the cold, northern cultures. The basic idea was that cultures in north developed to become very trusting because the cold and harsh environment made it very difficult to survive or even travel by yourself. Offending your tribe/village/whatever by lying and cheating would mean that the tribe will stop supporting you, which would probably mean death. So, people learned that doing bad things to your own people around is not smart. Slowly it became the cultural norm. You can still see this, people are so trusting in Scandinavia that it actually causes them problems nowadays. But of course there are successful countries in South Europe as well so this can't be the only reason, but the cultural difference is interesting. Northern people seem to want to avoid conflict, especially within their in-group.
The size of settlements probably plays a part in this too, everyone knows that in small villages everyone knows each other and are probably more helpful and trust each other more than people living in a big city. In cities it's much easier to change from one social circle to another, which makes betraying your current group probably easier and also makes it easier to create multiple groups of people within a single area. But cities, big or not, aren't exclusive to Europe or non-Europe.
>>58118387
>everyone wants to move there
Everyone who's brown and Muslim maybe
>>58121263
That's also why Russian businesses like Gazprom and Yandex and so on settle in the Netherlands. To protect their investments.
Sometimes you hear about a Dutch businesses starting something up in Russia. The maffia intervenes. And the Dutch business leaves Russia again.
>>58119126
Europe has been an enemy of Europe for most of history
>>58121975
>Northern Europe has been an enemy of Europe for most of history
fix'd
>>58121975
Yeah. The Netherlands has been fighting for survival against it's neighbours way too often.
>>58118387
>What is the secret of Europe?
Everything was destroyed in ww2 and the americans helped us rebuild.
Because they needed economical partners but also allies against USSR.
That is the secret.
As for other countries, I guess they need more time or more destruction before they finally move on.
The blood, sweat, and tears of non-white races around the globe.
>>58122159
Not really. We spend our marshal money to wage war against Indonesia.
>>58122035
>implying you never had fights wiht Portugal or France
>implying vikings ever bothered to actively pillage you
stop talking out of your ass ffs
>>58122374
>implying you never had fights wiht Portugal or France
France was always the agressor since Charlemagne tried to invade Al-Andalus and spanish muslims kicked his ass.
>implying vikings ever bothered to actively pillage you
They did but we weren't an easy prey as the sissy brits or the treacherous frogs. This bastards even told them that Jakobsland was full of gold, the fucking cowards.
>>58122425
I did say actively.
France is not Northern European. France is West European. So you thinking that you fight Northern Europe is bullshit desu