>mfw Britburkas will vote NO on 23.06.
>tfw you're right
>>58093260
what is this? Are you saying June 23rd? Or is 23.06. the name of the bill?
What's happening I need to know.
>>58093350
EU vote famalan
>>58093513
Oh shit.
how do you think it'll go? I kind of want you to leave the EU, can't really tell you why.
>>58093180
'in' oder 'raus', Klaus.
>>58093682
>how do you think it'll go?
Badly
>>58093682
I want us to leave. The stay campaign has a small but stable lead though. It's probably 70-30 likely that we'll stay
Either way it will be armageddon.
> in
Turkey joins causing mild terror in England.
> out
Scots at last fuck off. England left alone.. at last.
Brexit please happen.
Fuck EU.
>>58093180
Damn right I will, proud to do so too.
>>58093798
When is this ever not true?
>>58093818
As expected, I don't know the british people very well, but most people like stability, and staying in the EU should be fairly stable. No big changes at least.
>tfw want to leave but we will probably stay
quite upsetting
>>58093944
> No big changes
Turkey joining will be fucking huge, and the death of the EU.
>>58093930
God speed Sven
http://www.thelocal.se/20160418/swexit-support-for-eu-plummets-in-sweden
>>58094082
That does seem weird, since they are theocratic, and about ready to go to war in Syria.
But like every "great" "happening" we've experienced, nothing really happens.
Fuck the EU.
>>58094699
I hope you end the farce that the EU is
>>58094699
Nige is my waifu
>>58094699
>one seat
I hope UK leaves, this will probably induce other countries to leave too and EU will finally die
>>58094699
>he waifufags a drunk manlet
KEK
>>58093180
FUCK I CAN'T TAKE IT
all the shitposting will be horrible
Pls Britain, leave this shit union before it brings us all down ;_;
out voters are fucking idiots
I hope you all die before the 23rd fucking NEET scum ruining it for the rest of us
@58098829
(You)
>>58094699
>one seat
Can't fabricate this
>>58098861
1 (one) reason why we should leave
>>58093180
8.000.000
>>58098829
Ad hominem, not an argument
Stay cucked by the EU desu family
>>58098898
The only government that should be able to dictate laws on our people is the one elected by the British people.
>>58098961
>>58098983
>It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union.
>...the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom.
In will win. It isn't even as close as the Scottish referendum, which was all media hype in the end.
>>58093180
>United Kingdom votes yes to leave the European Union
>Cuts itself off from it's largest market
>Decides to go to the United States for a free trade deal
>Would take years to implement and it turns out the United States doesn't want a free trade agreement
>Scotland has another referendum and decides to break off and join the E.U
>Britain is now economically isolated, with the E.U penalizing Britain for leaving while the United States remains disinterested
>Becomes Russia's bitch in the end
>>58099166
>a string of very unlikely events occur
>>58093180
thank god. fuck having to get a visa to travel to europe, and i want to live and work in another european country again while i'm still young.
>>58099296
EU will make us look like a bitch to avoid setting a leave precedent since no country has ever left
>>58099166
Get off 4chan barack
>>58099107
a) this does not apply to already existing legislation
b) "further political integration" is an extremely broad term and still doesn't prevent mandated legislation
>>58099166
Why would the US want to cut off a key importer?
>>58099365
>iceland
>Norway
>Switzerland sort of
>>58099386
They wouldn't but if the United Kingdom comes to the United States and says, "we want to join NAFTA", it probably won't happen because the American public doesn't want another FTA. They're already fatigued by the TTP negotiations.
>>58099365
>struggling EU will make itself suffer, encouraging exit ambitions to a dozen different members to stop members leaving
And Greenland left before.
>tfw we laughed at Scotland when they cucked out of their vote but we will do the same thing because CHANGE=BAD
>>58099473
Right, but we're not looking to join the NAFTA.
I'm somewhat familiar with UKIP. What other European countries have burgeoning EU exit movements and which ones have the most support?
Made you a collage of a telegram convo I had with an English friend while I was drunk on sleep deprivation and buzzed on amphetamines.
The topic came up. I ranted about how little influence individual states have in their own policies in the states. I figure the same thing will happen to y'all if you Euros don't keep the EU in its place or dissolve Parliament entirely.
>>58099473
There is a difference between free trade with the UK and TTP with the EU
>>58099477
It really will though. Look at Greece, political logic won over economic ones.
>>58099531
All of them.
>>58099519
Regardless, the United States doesn't have the political capital for another free trade agreement any time soon.
>>58099531
Every EU country has a nationalist anti-EU party with support ranging from 20 to 40% except spain and Portugal I believe. And greece but that country's a mess.
>>58099557
The EU didn't make itself suffer, it made the Greeks suffer. Tariffs with the UK would hurt the EU as a whole because we import so much stuff from countries that matter.
>>58099555
I meant to say TPP, not TTIP. Also, what I am trying to say is that the United States doesn't have the stomach for a new FTA. So if the UK decided to break off from the EU and attempt to negotiate a new FTA with the USA , it probably won't happen any time soon.
>>58099531
France probably has the biggest euro-sceptic party in the FN. UKIP isn't even that popular.
>>58099555
Sanders and Trump are more popular than anyone ever dreamed partly because many Americans are turning protectionist. Even Hillary was forced to flipflop on TTP. Any kind of FTA is a nonstarter for the next decade at least.
>>58099554
A state is not the same thing as a country.
>>58099565
I don't understand why you are trying to set up a "win" for yourself.
Regardless of what you think, a trade deal would need to happen. Free or not, give you are the one that buys our export goods.
>>58099814
*given you are
>>58099688
>>58099750
It'd be done in an hour. The difference between a US-UK deal and a US-EU deal is massive.
>>58099814
If the EU ever federalizes your country will be the equivalent of one of our states, famalam.
>>58099620
The only difference is of degree, and the logic of deterring other exits and the fact that it would hurt the UK a lot more than it would the EU is the same as Greece. Frankly the political elites in EU will absolutely do it.
>>58099814
Read this
>58099750
Whether you like it or not, you're going to be economically isolated since the EU wants to prevent other countries from leaving and the United States has no stomach for another FTA. Face it, breaking off will probably be the worst possible option for the United Kingdom. I mean, following the "muh sovereignty" argument will only get you so far.
>>58099876
Except the special relationship is dead.
You're no different than France to us, really.
>>58099904
That's entirely your own opinion.
We're not required to follow the federalisation.
>>58099415
First two are part of the EFTA, Switzerland has to negotiate so many treaties and has even more of the red tape everyone is complaining about.
But none of that matters since they have to be in schengen and in sure the EU will insist we are if we leave and then try to negotiate something
They also have no say in the rules they follow (granted there are fewer)
>>58099477
greenland didnt leave the EU it voted to leave the EEC after gaining home rule from denmark
Also we're not a two million square kilometre freezer with 50 odd thousand people, we're the UK. The UK is a significant player in the EU and world, firth largest economy. I think we have a bit more sway. theyll make an example of us
>>58099921
We're a net importer, we buy a lot of stuff from the Germans, the Germans run the EU, we won't get tariffs.
>>58099980
>role-playing countries
>>58099876
How is it that much different than Canada FTA or NAFTA which still took ages in a more politically accommodating climate?
Not to mention the EU would almost certainly press against a US-UK FTA so the US would just "delay" negotiations for diplomatic reasons.
>>58100081
It's not role-playing, it's fact.
the Britain-US special relationship was a thing, many presidents talked about, but it's been dead for years.
>>58100090
I would add to that observation the fact that between the EU and Britain, the EU is a larger market and we harbor ambitions for the TTIP once we finalize the TPP.
>>58099995
Just wait
EU parliament will one day obtain more legislative power, and your own state policies will be second to the EU's directives. For the stuff you don't specifically have to enforce, they'll twist your arm by threatening to withhold subsidy monies.
>>58099876
lol no, just no
we have two years to sort stuff out with the 27 in the EU never mind the rest of the world
>>58099972
>you're going to be economically isolated
Citation needed, beyond opinion pieces.
The EU would cripple its economy by trade blocking us. It exports so much here, the German auto market is propped upby this country.
Jesus christ, I never realised that I'd have to debate with BOOTLICKER yanks who feel the requirement to lick and kiss the feet of others.
>>58100152
Again, opinionated conjecture.
>>58100136
>it's been dead for years
Almost eight. Obama, ironically, is fond of "muh heritage". Clinton/Trump will return to business as usual pretty quickly.
>>58100136
>the Britain-US special relationship was a thing, many presidents talked about, but it's been dead for years.
Sure, hence why we share a nuclear weapons program and key intelligence resources.
Saving this just in case
>>58100168
We would negotiate with the EU as a whole, not the 27 separate countries, and that will take years just because it's the EU. Other major markets don't fuck around as much.
>>58100355
You know the first line is wrong, right?
>>58100240
Not opinion, fact. US started out the same way the EU is now, a loose collection of largely independent nation-states with an overarching council of representatives whose primary directive is to control interstate trade and mediate disputes. States were their own nations; people felt loyalty to their home state, not the Union at large.
And now look at us.
It is inevitable, my English friend. Won't happen in your lifetime, but you can expect it for your son's.
>>58100081
Brexit means you leave the common market which is the same as de facto "tariffs"
The Germans while the main EU power also don't have unlimited influence, not enough to drag along all the other countries who'd want to retaliate. The ECB is still pursuing stimulus even though the Bundesbank and most of Germany is very pro-austerity and working against the ECB in fiscal policy by doing things like sticking to balanced budgets.
>>58100416
No, its still not a fact. Whilst a possibility exists, it certainly is unlikely.
The history between the American states and European countries is very, very different.
>>58100432
Good post.
>>58100416
You weren't separated by a fucking language barrier you mong.
>>58099620
Britain accounts for 10% of EU exports, EU accounts for half of ours
>>58100359
getting 27 members to agree together could still take a while
also
>Moreover, the EU has or is negotiating free-trade deals with America, China and India, from which a post-Brexit Britain would be excluded. The EU has 53 such deals. Britain would have to try to replicate them, a huge challenge given its lack of trade negotiators and the length of time even simple trade talks take.
>>58100240
>The EU would cripple its economy by trade blocking us. It exports so much here, the German auto market is propped upby this country.
as was said in the other post, we account for 10% of EU exports, EU accounts for half of ours.
also, car imports to the EU face a 15% tariff, imports a tariff of 10%
we would weaken ourselves
>>58099814
>I don't understand why you are trying to set up a "win" for yourself.
I WONDER WHO COULD BE BEHIND SOMETHING THAT SINISTER
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
;^)
>>58099814
>Regardless of what you think, a trade deal would need to happen. Free or not, give you are the one that buys our export goods.
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/
>>58098829
Rasheed.
>>58098829
t. billionaire with a polish workforce
Are Nige
>>58099554
>americans talking about britain as if they know anything about it
>When was the last time anyone showed any real dedication to their hometown, instead of Britain as a whole?
>when was the last time any specific county decided they felt more loyalty to their hometown than to the Crown?
Commit suicide.
It's pretty well known that a Brexit would cause short-term economic problems for the UK.
But I personally think full sovereignty is worth it.
>>58101213
USA USA USA
Just apply for statehood, you could be grandfathered in ;^)
>>58101821
sadly its the price of staying relevant in a world of big black bric countries
also its not short term
>>58101938
all of the purple is the EU, leaving the EU wont solve anything
Fuck the EU.
>>58101606
That loyalty to the Crown is going to transfer to the greater EU in one or two generations famalam.
You think all those immigrants give a shit about the Queen?
>>58102137
>loyalty to the Crown
Is this bait? Do you actually think people in this country worship the monarch or something?
>>58102163
Republicuck pls go
>the UK will ruin the fun for continentals for a third time
someone hold the madmen back
>>58102188
I'm not a republican. You seem to be sorely mistaken what role the monarch and her family take in this country. They are celebrities.
make Britain great again will never pass
>>58100416
not it didn't, the EU is the US in reverse
US started off as a political union that moved towards an economic union between the states while the EU started off as an economic union that is slowly trying to move towards a political union.
>>58100416
>>58100672
nor were they separated by thousands and thousands of years of history and culture
>>58102035
>sadly its the price of staying relevant in a world of big black bric countries
Relevance cannot be so easily defined
