What does /int/ think of the Istanbul Canal Mega-project? Will Erdogan go full Ceausescu mode and pull it off? Will he cuck the Russians?
This one looks official,and it shows two canals being built
what?
>>57946814
What's the point? I've seen the Bosporus in person and it's pretty fucking wide. You'd think with pipelines and aircraft proliferating shipping would be going down not up. Or is this one of those quebec projects where the government cronies buy up the land first and sell it at a premium only for the project to be cancelled not long after?
>>57946983
Behold the commie magnificence Brazil man.
The Istanbul canal is definitely feasible,despite the omfg crazy""" articles on the internet,The Danube Black Sea canal is longer and was similarly dug through a hard,mountainous terrain.
>>57946814
>cuck the russians
Is this bait?
Not like in war the Russians can go through there anyways.
>>57947157
Turkey has been cucking the Russians lately though.
>>57947062
>The main purpose of the project is to reduce the marine traffic through the Bosphorus and minimize the risks and dangers associated particularly with tankers
so diverting large traffic through it I guess
Also to fuck the Russians since they could ban non-nato military ships and build some sort of artificial island meme that's just big enough to obstruct large military ships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanal_%C4%B0stanbul#Criticism
more pics of the Danube Black sea canal
>>57947274
Where?
All I know is Syria is missing a couple thousand Turkmen ever since Russia arrived.
>>57947401
Hmm yeah that does make sense. At least they won't have locks.
>>57946814
>>57946924
>>57947126
>>57947401
How is this cucking the Russians again?
>>57947401
This makes no sense.
If Turkey wants to get nuked it can go right ahead.
>>57946814
he is doing it to enlarge istanbul northwards i think
also that is the old map, canceled because of a paleolithic cavern system in the way, here is the new one
this isn't the only "mega-project" being worked on in turkey. turkey has a huge amount of construction companies, i think erdogan is trying to keep them busy whilst embezzling funds from the projects
other projects are:
>third bridge across bosphorus
>third airport in istanbul
>underground tunnel through bosphorus, metro, highways etc included
>a third major highway through turkey
>izmit and gallipoli bridges
>a high-speed train route across turkey
>>57947062
yes
>>57947157
montreux convention, erdowie wants money from ships passing through the straits
>>57946924
this doesn't show two kanals, the western one says "the first planned route of the canal" the middle one says "the new route of the kanal"
>>57947401
Your post is all full of U Wot M8
You havin cuck fantasies m8?
>>57947578
i should add that some of these projects are already complete or are near completion
>>57947578
>montreux convention, erdowie wants money from ships passing through the straits
Does this someohow mean the Bosphorus just vanishes?
>>57947543
Put a large backfill island in the middle of the bosporus to make it next to impossible to navigate large military ships. It's been talked about since the late byzantine days. Presumably the idea is Turkey could do that legally and still have a restricted canal for only NATO warships. It would cut off the black sea for the Russians but not for NATO.
>>57947543
According to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits
they have to let in military ships through the Bosforous,if they build a secondary canal , the above convention thus not apply, so maybe Erdogan has some sort of plan to block off the Bosforous after building the canal so that only smaller ships can pass idk. It's definitely a weird move,but hopefully a lot of turks will die since they're involving the military(translation Turkey has conscription aka free unpaid labour by service men.)
Will Erdogan tour the site to give precious advice like glorious leader ? Did you know the Danube Black Sea canal was dug through the remnants of the oldest mountains in Europe? That's why the Danube makes a sharp turn and ends up in the Danube Delta(in reality a giant,barely navigable,swamp,but very pretty if you like nature and fishing)
>>57947703
Pretty confident that's illegal according to Montreux.
And even if it isn't, the Russians don't have too many large naval vessels in that area anyways. They barely even can leave the Black Sea.
It's literally a retarded waste of money.
>>57947848
You have poor english skills.
The biggest Russian vessel in the black sea is 6000 tons. There are 3 of them.
Those are pretty small naval vessels.
>>57947684
no he wants to bring the international community back on the table, the agreement was changed before and it will be changed again
he can just delay all the ships going through you know, he is already doing it light-weight with the russian warships
also picture related has caused a lot of tension in turkey(russian soldier has a rocket launcher out whilst crossing the bosphorus), bringing back the straits question back on the table
it is the right of turkey to control the straits which it owns i think
>>57947937
Good luck beating nuclear weapons.
>>57947703
Or better yet, build an airport on an artificial island like the Japs did :DDDDDDDD
>>57947578
wiki shows this map>>57946924
that depicts two canals,did Erdogan change his mind? It looks like either overkill or someone wants to close down the Bosforous for good.
If only this were built in wwii
>>57946814
ignore brain dead putinbots. it's not about russia. it will help ship traffic of bophorus. that's all.
>>57948125
>m-m-muh nuclear!
lol retarded russiaboo, go jump into a fire
>>57947703
theyre doing all this just to fuck with russia? youre ssying theyre gonna block the bosphorus with an island? not getting it
>>57948195
nah as i have said, it shows two different proposed routes for the channel
why are you interested in this btw?
>>57948279
its a card against russia
we are dependent on their gas so being able to block bosphorus would stop them from cutting off our gas and possibly fucking with out happenings in the middle-east in the future
at any given time turkey could control the bosporus, which would drive all sides to the table to update the montreux convention to the advantage of turkey
>>57948457
and possibly stop them from fucking with our*
>>57947912
I never said it wasn't a huge waste of money. But wit the turks,you have to always watch your back
>>57948457
How is Russia fucking with your happenings in the middle east?
>>57948457
you know, this is interesting because a few weeks back i was thinking how panama should build another canal. its literally the same scenario, being compromised due to the canal having ties with a powerful cunt. panama could use another canal for more security, and becasue its strateigcal, and to remove ties to an extent. i can understand where erdogan is coming from.
is this related with the crazy as fuck news of a russoiranian caspian sea/persian gulf canal?
>>57948602
their intervention in syria was pretty painful for erdogan. now instead of a pro-turkey and easily controllable jihadi state, syria will either have a democracy or continue with assad
>>57948299
I like megaprojects in general,and stumbled accross this and found it a bit weird,but interesting. If you talk to Erdogan,make sure to suggest that he should look into building a hydro plant, since there aren't any locks it could be done, either via a loop and/or pumped storage. So many possibilities when you're building what is essentially a canal connecting a giant lake
>>57948238
You act like they haven't been used before.
One does not have to be Russiaboo to know Turkey would get glassed if it came down to it.
>>57948457
Turkroaches
>>57948772
But, to be honest, erdogan never actually did anything, and isn't doing anything now. He could easily secure the border, or put in a force so that the kurds don't get the territory. But he's pretty passive
>>57946814
>cuck
>>57947157
>cuck
>>57947274
>cuck
>>57947543
>cuck
>>57947616
>cuck
>>57948772
Lmao Assad is winning big.
Aleppo is about to be cut off.
>>57948851
>never actually did anything
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War
>>57948923
> some border clashes and financing a bit.
Even european countries financed. And they get fired upon, they return fire. Meybe some YPG shelling.
But nothing major
>>57948923
minority dictatorships never worked out. and won't work in future. he may have artificial country for now but he will lose it in future. enjoy having syria without syrians.
What's the purpose? More traffic? That doesn't seem right somehow
>>57946814
Why is Turkey planning this and how does this piss off Russkies?
>>57948758
possibly, but russia and iran don't have the economy to support it and that land isn't very suited for such a project, picture related
canal project is possible in west-istanbul because its not very hilly or mountainous and there are rivers&lakes to make the construction easier
also these canals and agreements made with western powers back in the early 20th century are a pain in the ass for the countries that made them
egypt had a similar crisis over the suez canal, they even engaged in war with british troops over the issue
also that black-caspian sea canal project goes back to an ottoman sultan lol
its hegemony, tureky makes a canal and can do with it whatever the fuck it wants. here, found it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits
> The Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits is a 1936 agreement that gives Turkey control over the Bosporus Straits and the Dardanelles and regulates the transit of naval warships. The Convention gives Turkey full control over the Straits and guarantees the free passage of civilian vessels in peacetime. It restricts the passage of naval ships not belonging to Black Sea states. The terms of the convention have been the source of controversy over the years, most notably concerning the Soviet Union's military access to the Mediterranean Sea.
> Signed on 20 July 1936 at the Montreux Palace [1] in Switzerland, it permitted Turkey to remilitarise the Straits. It went into effect on 9 November 1936 and was registered in League of Nations Treaty Series on 11 December 1936.[2] It is still in force today, with some amendments.
> The proposed 21st century Kanal Istanbul project may constitute a possible by-pass to the Montreux Convention and force greater Turkish autonomy with respect to the passage of military ships from the Black Sea to the Sea of Marmara
>>57949097
If you want to connect the Caspian Sea, going through Azerbaijan and Georgia doesn't seem to difficult.
how this thread about canals and megaprojects suddenly got turned into a "assad-wins!" "russia stronk!" thread is beyond me
go a bit further and play with sand you dips
also here is another project, this time by china
they want to build a cross-caspian bridge, its under the projects called "the new silk road"
>>57948758
Panama is expanding the canal
>>57947578
True but it does have an insanely ambitious self-imposed completion date of 2023,your hundred year anniversary. To accomplish this large of a project in such a small amount of time basically the entire cunt has to be put into its service, you can only blast and carry so much material in a day, plus stabilizing the terrain,building bridges etc etc etc takes a lot of time. Also isn't the rest of Turkey pissed that most of these project are in one small area that's already overpopulated?
>>57949244
2023 is a meme, its just that he gets more support
this is a 10 year project at least, and possibly its too early for turkey to try and start it
>>57949174
the plan is to use the rivers actually, the problem is going through iran
>>57949097
i know, its nuts. maybe as a multigenerational state project. it would probably cost half a trillion.
>>57949241
yes, but thats not what i meant. but a completely new canal. for the same reasons turkey wants to do one, bypass compromising treaties:>>57949131
and other reasons like increasing security (we're dependent on canal), developing eastern panama, and as price leverage which usa obviously impedes with current canal and with good reason
>>57949097
heres what they gotta do
>>57949344
Where are you going to get the money for all these megaprojects? Your economy isn't booming like it was and your war in the southeast could go on for years.
Do people talk about your big property bubble, or is that one of the things you go to jail for?
The canal can only be beneficial for the Russians. I mean what is greater access to the black sea going to do for the rest of the world. Very little.
It's not like the panama canal or suez canal, that makes crossing the world much easier.
It's nice, I guess. Some russian currency will start flowing into Turkey.
