>mfw Americans are COMPLETELY confused about having the minimum wage raised from $7.25
>mfw they think it is going to destroy their economy
>mfw they've been so mislead by big corporations all their life they will ACTUALLY DEFEND their shit salary
Is there a more brainwashed country?
>>57918327
Yes, Australia
corporations will raise their prices though
not because the need to but because they can
that will be bad for importing
A minimum wage increase would be nice desu. But people argue that everything will get more expensive so the wage increase would be meaningless
>>57918327
>Big corporations push for minimum wage increase
>Use it as an excuse to lay off more workers
>Unemployment increases
At least the 1 employee left makes barely enough to support the rest via welfare though :^)
>raise the minimum wage
>prices get artificially raised
>nothing changes, we're still as screwed as ever
>>57918357
how is murrica anywhere near the top twenty for infrastructure? the roads are decaying all over and people die from drinking tap water almost everyday
>>57918443
>>57918557
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>>57918677
Because Europe has airplanes falling out of the sky and people dying in droves to bus crashes and train accidents.
>>57918357
There is literally nothing wrong with having blue infrastructure.
WHY DONT WE RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE TO 100 DOLLERYDOOS I MEAN ITS THE CURRENT YEAR
>>57918677
Get all your information from pictures on /int/? Should I believe France opperates under sharia law and has daily mass bombings?
>mfw amerigoys literally defend tipping
But you cant raise the national minimum wage, let alone lower it
>>57919072
Where does this meme come from? What's it called? I see this glowing face everywhere and I really don't know what it is.
>>57919179
>this new
>>57918327
I also don't understand why they're so butt blasted about public health care and the abolition of university fees. The only reason I ever hear is 'muh gommunism'.
>>57919265
We just want to keep the quality while also keeping the costs down.
>>57918327
""""big corporations""" will move to China and US will lose jobs, they are actually right
>>57919336
>quality
>costs down
>American healthcare
PFFFFFFFTHAGAHAGAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>57919336
Public health care doesn't preclude private health care and universities charging you out the ass has no direct correlation with quality.
>>57919265
Because American universities are research institutes at the same time and don't get enough funding for research from taxes.
>>57919395
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare
>Auscancers
>>57919336
>keep the costs down
>good university $50,000 per year
>healthcare costs double those of western Europe for a negligible advantage in quality and a rampant medication culture
>>57918896
Norway would be a good country if everything wasn't seperated by a million mountains.
>>57919550
That's my point, we want to preserve that advantage.
So what's the downside to getting a cheap education in Australia, then moving to America and getting cheap housing?
There are a lot of people out there who aren't worth $7.25 an hour.
Those people are going broke because nobody will hire their dumb ass so they'll go out on the street and demand for more socialism because MUH EVIL CORPORATIONS won't hire them while it was socialism that put them out on the street in the first place.
Socialism is fucking cancer.
>>57919716
Why get a "cheap" education in Aus when you can get it for free in France or Germany?
>>57918747
>airplanes
>>57919530
But that link puts them above you in survival rates...
>>57919806
because I don't speak French or German
>>57919811
We get to name what we invented
>>57918327
Most of those posting under the US flag on /int/, are self-hating whites, and progressive millennials of the following type:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0diJNybk0Mw
I want tuition to soar, because I made the mistake of getting a worthless degree (Political Science) and found no jobs for it
So I want fewer and fewer kids to go to uni so useless degrees like mine go up in value as college grads become rarer segments
>>57919783
My retarded brother works for a company that hires retards to pack boxes and shit. They pay less than minimum wage and the government subsidizes the rest so the retards earn enough to live on. It works pretty well I guess
>>57919884
pretty sure da vinci wasn't a yank
>>57919949
Da Vinci had a working engine now?
>spend thousands on a degree in woman's history
>can't get a real job
>have to flip burgers or stock shelves
>demand more money for shit work because you fucked up in life
>>57919949
pretty sure he just invented a giant corkscrew that didnt fly too
>>57919949
Leo DaVincio was an American inventor who went decades without an oscar for his work, pleb
>>57920000
Check em
>>57918327
the people get what they demand. nothing.
plenty of good paying vocational jobs
maybe they should aim for those instead of demanding $15 an hour to fuck up my burger
>>57920000
>mfw Americans have seniors pushing around shopping carts for a wet fart worth of pay because their society fails to secure its own elders an acceptable life standard after retirement
>>57918327
americans are retards who have been brainwashed by muh socialism boogeyman like the good goys they are. when the commies disappeared the elite sat down and decided to go with the arabs terrurists. obviously all the fat sheeples followed.
>omg le BROWN TERRURSTS WANNA KILL OUR FREEDUMZ
but i see that the fear of "socialism" is still going strong
>>57920122
>not putting your elderly to work until they are dead
i thought germans were efficient
>>57919949
>da vinci
>airplane
>>57920122
>German "retirees"
I make 9.20 an hour m8
if you raise minimum wage I'm making minimum wage again
>>57920214
Forgot my pic
it should be up to the states, not federal government
>>57920144
Socialism is the work of the Jew.
>>57920273
yeah nah that would be fucking dumb as
>>57918443
This is what people said would happen when the uk introduced a minimum wage in the first place but it didn't really happen
>tfw we will have the equivalent of a $13 minimum wage for over 25s by 2020
Don't care if it's through in work benefits, tax credits, higher minimum wage etc.
if you work 40 hours a week you should have enough money to live off
>>57920478
>This is what people said would happen when the uk introduced a minimum wage in the first place
That's because companies still relied on manual labor at the time. Nowadays everything is automated or outsourced
>>57920255
People who are homeless here are almost exclusively homeless by choice, either because they decide to abstain from a working life and a tax financed life alike, or because they prefer drugs to a regulated environment. Anyone actually seeking help has a plentitude of options. Also the inofficial homeless rate of the US is 2.5 to 5 times higher than here.
Depending on how quickly they phase it in, it probably won't be a problem. The real issue is that it should be done state-by-state, rather than federally. It makes sense to raise it in NYC and California where cost of living is high. Some shithole in Wyoming where the cost of living is nonexistent? There it makes no sense.
>>57918429
The wage increase would outpace rising prices.
>>57918327
I'm honestly pretty pissed that fast food workers think they deserve to make 75% of what I do when I'm actually educated, skilled, and not a failure at life.
>>57920598
this was in like 1998 hardly ages ago
>>57919053
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/28/roads-bridges-decaying/2594499/
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/24/americas-water-crisis-goes-beyond-flint-michigan.html
first results of a quick google search, somewhat reliable sources... and I drove in the US and don't tell me shit like Flint, MI is an exception. Also daily mass bombings being meme'd on /int/? when? sorry for my poor syntaxis and delayed response i'm pretty baked as of now
Won't raising the minimum wage just speed up automation?
The only way humans can compete with machines at jobs they can do is to be less expensive than the machines.
>>57920629
>People who are homeless here are almost exclusively homeless by choice
Yeah, it can't possibly be because the German social saftey net isn't as good as you think. That's the same reason we give here.
>Also the inofficial homeless rate of the US is 2.5 to 5 times higher than here.
Actually, taking into account the Roma, refugees and the like, your homeless population is growing rapidly and unlike outs, is more permanent.
>>57920722
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/01/terror-threats-will-be-the-new-normal-for-europe-experts-say
>LITERAL DAILY TERROR THREATS
>>57920746
If managed properly (which it inevitably won't be) automation is a great thing
>>57920722
I'm not that guy and I'm mostly on your side but people don't die from drinking tap water every day. get your facts straight
they injest large amounts of strange chemicals and flouride and lead in the tap water every day. It usually isn't enough to kill them but it's absolutely enough to fuck people up.
Also I drink rainwater that I boil and store. I hope I'm not downwind from some fucking smog factory but I don't trust bottled water either
>>57920663
>making $20 USD/hr
>not a failure
w e w
>>57920818
You genuinly believe western europe is dangerous at the minute? how young are you?
>>57920869
>42 grand a year isn't a shitload of money for single person in their 20s
Spot the neet.
>>57920874
That just shows that Europe is a shithole as it's always been.
>>57920858
You're a fucking weirdo and I bet you smell bad.
>>57921045
No I do most everything else like a normal person.
I live near flint though so you can imagine I don't trust the water
>>57920991
He lives in Hong Kong, 42 grand affords a cardboard box to sleep in
>>57918327
>wanting people who flip burgers earn ~20k a year
yeah nah. rather have them be neets 2bh
>>57919783
>There are a lot of people out there who aren't worth $7.25 an hour.
Sure thing m8 but it's also a certainty that no one is worth the wage american finance executives or actors earn. Whose work deserves a pay of over $200 an hour? They're kind of taking it away from workers that are lower on the ladder but who are necessary to "make the wheel turn". Socialism can be seen as the mere intention to lower inequalities
>>57921184
>Socialism can be seen as the mere intention to lower inequalities
That's not what socialism is at all you fucking retard
>>57921184
>Whose work deserves a pay of over $200 an hour?
Those who generate many many many times that in revenue you commie faggot.
>>57920746
You're implying that's not going to happen regardless of wages.
>>57921291
b-but Bernie said...
>>57921184
What does it mean, to be worth something? It's just what the market is willing to pay.
>>57921307
>inventing value out of speculation, robbing the unknowing average citizen and fostering economical crises is useful to society and deserves encouragement
I know capitalism works but it has to be regulated, sorry if I'm a commie for saying that
>>57921436
>What does it mean, to be worth something?
>wake_me_up.png
I was quoting the estonian dude, idk, i still find it crazy that the market is willing to pay a fucking paralegal or executive assistant ten times what the guy who made the sandwiches they're picking up for their boss makes when their brain activity and their self esteem/ambition is about the same
>>57921763
The paralegal and executive assistant in NYC (this is the only market where I have any experience) makes about 50 grand at a top firm. I don't know what that amounts to per hour, but I bet it's like roughly 3 times more than the sandwich-maker. Paralegals and executive assistants have real skills though, far more than a sandwich-maker.
>>57921018
Yet we still have a lower homicide rate than the USA
what does that show?
>>57921763
Fugging gommie, but seriously no one is getting robbed. Those people were hired for a wage that was seen as appropriate for their labor and the guy on top gets to choose how the money his company makes is distributed. That money wasn't the workers to begin with.
>>57918443
actually, big corporations support it because it weakens there competition from new startup companies, american exports are already getting hammered because of the over valuation of the dollar due to international pressures, the race to the bottom in value has been defeated by the rush to the US as a safe haven (investments by foreign currencies) by foreigners
>>57919783
Trust me, I've worked with some of the people too dumb to earn $7.25 an hour and I don't think they could even wrap their head around what socialism is let alone be actively pushing for major political reforms. Those people usually aren't actively involved in the political process.
>>57919921
ah, NO
>>57919924
good luck with that, maybe you should move to the EU, they have a need for worthless bureaucrats
Its 8.50 here
>>57920122
Dont you have some jews to roast?
>>57920512
and what does "live off" actually mean? food water shelter ? tent and a hole in the ground? Maybe we should just give everyone an acre of land and a two story house with a rolls royce too?
>>57919239
It's a valid question. We always post it but never say what it's called or reference the golden face posting. I know it came from rage comics back in the Cancer Era 69420 AD
>>57920642
Minimum wage is $0, enjoy your life
>>57920858
Ya, the only problem with your "hypothesis" is that our age of death has been RISING SINCE CAVEMEN.
>>57922563
Enough for an average priced apartment in a given area at least plus food costs assuming you spend your money responsibly.
If you don't spend your money wisely there is still a benefit because people are spending and spending stimulates growth. They will just be living in shittier apartments and going hungry but then it's their own fault.
>>57922563
>Maybe we should just give everyone an acre of land and a two story house with a rolls royce too?
what's funny is business faggots actually try to pretend giving their employees a few dollars more is a legitimate slipper slope argument
>>57921085
Lead effects only young children development
>>57922771
As a business owner i have no problem "paying my employees and extra dollar or two or five or ten an hour", its when i have to give it to a government that spends 75 percent of what i give in administration cost to return 25 cents back to "the people" that i have a problem with
>Put tax dollars to failing businesses like Bank of America, Citi, Goldman Sachs to pay for denbts
>if they fail again we just gib more
>this is fine deys gud bois
>put tax dollars towards wars that keep no one safe which are paramount to ditch digging
>WHOOO WHOOO! LOVE THE TROOPS! KEEP SENDIN EM OVER WE HAVE MORE! BIGGER MILITARY! BIGGER!
>put tax dollars towards govt paying private school goys as private school goys arbitrarily demand more and more and more
>we're just making school affordable
>hey what if we cut out the crony middlemen and put tax dollars on the needs of society? The working class could get certified for better jobs with the first two years of community college.
>GET OUT GOMMIE!!!!
>>57922917
Part of the idea of a minimum wage is reducing the reliance of the poors on the welfare state. You've got Walmart and McDonald's jobs where the employees get given brochures on supplementing their income with your taxes.
socialism eliminates any form of competition in life. no one will want to strive to do any better because the money or assets they get will just mean more taxes
What's the point in playing soccer when both teams win?
>>57923486
>What's the point in playing soccer
yeah, that
I make a little over min wage. Can't wait for my extra $3.50/hr.
There are people ITT that believe minimum wage shouldn't match inflation.
>>57923621
It's not just minimum either. I'd bet most middle class worker's wages have failed to keep pace with inflation.
lel op said americans would defend and so they did
>>57922082
That you don't count terrorist attacks as homicides :^)
>>57923816
Cause OP is retarded
>>57923486
Yet another misinformed American.
Typical.
Speaking of jobs and money, is an electrical and computer engineer degree worth it?
It's going to cost me $118,000 (I only have $66,000 so I'll have to apply for financial aid and work my ass off)
>>57924312
Another brainwashed kraut who doesn't think for himself
Go pray to Allah, achmed
>>57919924
>humanities """""""""majors""""""""
you cant make this shit up
You can either have well-paid low-skilled labor or you can have industry
>>57918327
If you're working above minimum wage then any increase just makes you worse off.
Minimum wage should be set at the city level, county at the absolute maximum. A national minimum wage is completely retarded because it equates Yuma's cost of living with Manhattan's.
>>57923486
>What's the point in playing soccer
Agreed
>>57918327
If minimum wage had just moved with inflation none of this debate would have ever needed to happen. It's stupid for it not to, anyways.
Age-based minimum wage best minimum wage btw.
>Posting here expecting an actually civilised debate on minimum wage
>>57919924
>go up in value
But your meme degree is already useless. Have you ever seen an ad for a job where your meme degree is needed? It will never go up in value since the only ones who could have SOME use for it are political commentators (aka bullshit artists) and maybe some analysts for poll companies.
>>57918327
No. A country that defends tips instead of better salaries is too brainwashed to save.
>>57924774
>Foreigners think that waiters don't make more from tips than minimum wage
>>57924656
>age based
>should I go to work now
>no, fuck it, not for this pittance I won't
>>57924821
When you're young you're not valuable labor, due to inexperience. A low wage makes you attractive to employers. After that, your experience will mostly dictate your salary if you are able to negotiate.
>ausfags don't understand basic economics
nothing surprising there
raising the minimum wage results in inflation and kills jobs ya dickhead.
ideally there should be no minimum wage.
>>57925276
Yes, good goy
