>European liberals
>crying about cuts in spending
Seriously, we're the commies of the world.
You can move to Somalia if you don't like the government. Public spending is why we continue to be successful
But all the small countries on that map are shitholes. Also public spending =/= communism.
>>57877327
For Rightwing faggots everything that isnt Far-Right is automatically Communist.
Just like in Communism everything other than Communism is Fascism.
>>57877325
Finland is not successful. Your economy is becoming shit
>>57877325
This is a joke right? Surely no one can be this stupid
![france-government-spending-to-gdp[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ValgDNh.png "france-government-spending-to-gdp[1].png")
Many European countries aren't cutting any more, some never even bothered in the first place. It is a delusion to imagine Europe as a continent of austerity
>>57877255
You say that like it's a bad thing
>>57879127
that's only because of euro
>>57879127
Yes economy is the only margin which counts as success.
Nigga, you chinks are subhuman to us on every other level.
>>57879803
t. kylteri of aalto
>>57877325
this 2bh
>>57878589
also this 2bh
>>57877255
>Absolute numbers for countries of very different GDPs
Why does Belgium even exist.
>>57882768
Shit economy eventually means shit country. Look at Argentina and the U.S.S.R
>>57883906
A country only focused on economy will also do that. Balance is key.
>>57877325
>>57877327
>>57878589
>>57881890
>>57883859
back to r.e.d.d.i.t
>>57879127
fck off and leave uighurs, you fake commie shits
>>57883906
But Anon, don't you know that almost all of us Europeans think USA is a shithole compared to us?
Even if you have all them economies, boy
>>57884237
>don't you know that almost all of us Europeans think USA is a shithole compared to us
Nobody said you werent deluded.
>>57877255
Its because there are so many governments in Europe it creates redundancy and unnecessary waste.
We should just have one government in Europe and get rid of democracy. It will be much more efficient.
>>57884306
But your HDI (and IHDI even more so) is much lower than all West-European countries
>>57878589
It's easier to critique a strawman of an idea than to critique the actual idea. This much isn't new.
>>57877255
The US is almost as large and with only a fraction of the white people.
>>57884306
You think a big economy makes you not a shithole, we think human rights makes us not a shithole. Who's to say who's right?
A country being a shithole or non-shithole is only a matter of opinion. You would know this if you were civilized at all
>>57884365
>HDI
Lol no
>>57883906
I'd rather have a bit of unemployment and the assurance that I won't get broke/fired if I break my leg
Social democracies are awesome.
>inb4 cuck migrants
That's another problem, which is IMO mainly blown out of proportion and caused by the lack of social democracy.
>public spending
Well here there's tons of goverment subsidies.
Not as much as the US. So the comparative bloat isn't private vs public sector entirely. It's not really a good measure.
Here you can spend a large part of your corporation tax on expanding business. It's pretty massive for smaller companies according to those I know. Can't really say how that'd work for big companies.
>>57884404
>You think a big economy makes you not a shithole,
Healthy economy =/= Big economy.
>You would know this if you were civilized at all
Butthurt
>>57884391
The US is big because of their stupid healthcare system which makes the government spend billions.
>>57884465
nice fake map pablo deshawn microbrewerita
>>57884365
?
>>57884499
>I'd rather have a bit of unemployment
Or be like Spain with 20% unemployment
>won't get broke/fired if I break my leg
Which only exists because you have a functioning economy, which proves my point.
>>57884650
HDI doesn't matter when you have to work 2 jobs just to survive, or when you have this barbaric practise of student loans. And don't get me started on your stupid healthcare which costs your government more than single-payer would.
>>57884616
We don't spend as much on other things tho, so it evens out ultimately. Real estate for example is much cheaper
>>57884712
You are actually defending that people who have an accident should be penalised all their lives ?
Be fair and compare yourself to France/UK/Sweden. Life is much more comfortable here, and if I had to choose, I'd live in Spain rather than the US.
>>57884624
>Bootyblasted
Lol
>>57884774
I pay 1.5k a semester at a 4 year university and I only have 1 scholarship that is given to everyone in my state with at least a ~84ish average throughout highschool.
>work 2 jobs to survive and single payer healthcare cheaper
these are flat out wrong
>>57884875
>that people who have an accident should be penalised all their lives ?
Very rarely happens, more people die as a result of doctor negligence in Europe. Regardless.
>Life is much more comfortable here, and if I had to choose, I'd live in Spain rather than the US.
Only because the EU strains itself to keep you all afloat.
>>57884875
>Life is much more comfortable here
I'm sure jealous of an Algerian street urchin in Marsielle who has to deal drugs to afford his shitty commieblock
>>57879803
90% of europeans are this retarded, friend.
>>57884499
>if the government didn't provide these services, nobody would
>>57884499
half of those things can just as easily be privatized with no issues and the other half would be paid for by the government even in libertarian societies
>>57884996
>He pays 1,5k a semester
I pay 700€ a year for my engineering school. Many of my friends pays 0€ because they have scholarships.
>>57885005
>Very rarely happens, more people die as a result of doctor negligence in Europe.
That's why so many people die of avoidable causes in the US ?
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2015/us-premature-deaths.aspx
>>57885074
I'd better be him than a broke guy in a Southern State. At least in Europe you are not afraid to call the doctor, and the police is there quickly enough most of the time.
>>57884650
>Beaten by Ireland.
Lol the US sucks.
>not being anarcho-capitalist
Free market will fix everything!
>>57884996
in-state college?
>>57885487
>not being center right
>>57885487
>Not being Anarcho-Hedonist
Life is short and the USA sucks, live in a fantasy world of pleasure and irresponsibility
>>57885329
>>57885146
>half of those things can just as easily be privatized
Since France has began to privatise its railways, quality has dropped ever since.
In Flint, they managed water like a private business would. We all know the result.
Almost all private providers of electricity/internet in France uses the infrastructure of the state-companies.
>>if the government didn't provide these services, nobody would
Only for the rich, or the white, or both.
But since we're on 4chins, you're going to think that's a good thing.
>>57885409
>inequality adjusted HDI
literally memes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#287688d23c45
>>57885436
ok? doesnt change that university in america is very attainable without loans
>>57885509
Probably. The reason our cost of college is rising is because of budget cuts leading to less subsidies for colleges. The fact that everybody in his state with a certain GPA gets a scholarship means that other peoples tax money is paying for his education.
>>57885487
>Not being socialist and shitposting on 4chan
>>57885487
Just because people don't like such profuse government spending that racks up debt and big government doesn't mean we are fucking anarcho-capitalists. Any form of anarchism is probably worse than what Europe is going through right now
>>57885436
>That's why so many people die of avoidable causes in the US
Lots die in Europe too, you missed my point.
>I'd better be him than a broke guy in a Southern State
What hope do either of them have is my point.
>At least in Europe you are not afraid to call the doctor, and the police is there quickly enough most of the time.
Kid who deals drug isn't going to want the police coming to his apartment
>>57885509
yes. out of state would cost me ~$2,200
>>57885691
the scholarship is 100% lottery funded. It isnt through taxes
>>57884606
If you think the US has a healthy economy, you know less of shit than I thought.
And being able to think about things from someone else's perspective is the start of civilization, without that you'll just be "ooga booga me right i bomb this infidel" and no problems will be solved
>>57885665
It doesn't say you're the worst country in the world inequality-adjusted. It says 27th.
>>57885764
Can you explain for-profit colleges? An American friend of mine pays like 20k/y excluding board and living expenses out of state. Are they really worth paying 5x as much money for?
>>57885824
But do the other subsidies come from taxes and/or government revenue from land?
>>57882657
True. Eurozone is structurally deflationary and in the long term forces austerity.
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>>57885835
>If you think the US has a healthy economy, you know less of shit than I thought.
I never said that, neither did I say any EU country has a healthy economy.
>>57879127
> Over 80 percent of the water from underground wells across China's plains is unfit for drinking because of contamination, according to statistics
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/12/world/asia/china-underground-water-pollution.html?_r=0
Your country is literally dying, Chinaman.
>>57885509
It wouldn't make sense if it wasn't in-state; all 50 of us like to act like independent countries with the things we do have control over.
>>57885750
No you don't understand! That kid still lives better than the average kid in America! Trust me, I read Alternet articles
>>57885980
Well, good. Now try to think about my other point, it might help you in the future. Everything everyone ever does or says has some reasoning behind it and the key to going forth is in understanding it, not trashing it while covering your ears
>>57885886
there are public and private colleges
Public, which I attend, is not for profit and is funded 50ish% from tuition, 30% from public sources and 20% from private sources
Private schools come in 2 flavors, both of them expensive. Most of them are significantly better than public universities and are much more difficult to get into. Schools like Harvard, Duke, MIT, and dartmouth fall into this category. Then there are others (mostly specialty schools) which are expensive as shit but have generally lower standards than most other schools.
This system is what allows us to have places like Mississippi and Detroit in the same country as silicon valley and several world class universities. It isnt perfect but the memes exaggerate the issue and only focus on the bad and dont even recognize the good.
>>57885896
im not sure. I would assume they do
>>57885409
He still proved you wrong though. You said both HDI and IHDI, not IHDI solely
>>57885656
>In Flint, they managed water like a private business would.
Flints nearly broke, half the town doesn't even work.
>Almost all private providers of electricity/internet in France uses the infrastructure of the state-companies.
So it does in every country barring Somalia. That doesn't make France's better by default.
>>57877325
https://mises.org/library/stateless-somalia-and-loving-it
Somalia is doing better than equivalent countries with governments.
>>57886459
Ye he did. I thought USA was lower on HDI.
>censoring the media on crimes perpetrated by migrants
>censoring """""""""""""hate""""""""""""" speech aka speech that doesn't agree with the pro-refugee agenda
>thousands of European women (and a man LMAO) raped by Muslim migrants
>nationalism is a criminal offense
>banning identifying race of suspects in criminal cases
But yeah America sucks am I rite?
>>57885409
IHDI is bullshit in the sense that it puts far more emphasis on the inequality part. For example if quality of life were measured on a 1-10 scale:
Country A: 50% of citizens live a 6 while the other 50% live a 10
Country B: 100% of citizens live a 7
Keeping all other variables constant Country B would score higher on the IHDI scale than Country A despite the average quality of life being lower
>>57887117
The U.S. wanted oil/geopolitical power but the soldiers that died felt like they died for their country.
It's not entirely the same thing but it's fallacious to compare intentions of an organization to an individual's beliefs.
>>57887388
That's simplifying it a bit, but I think both HDI and IHDI measure too little to be really quantifiable
>>57887916
of course its a gross oversimplification. Its far too complex of an issue to discuss accurately on 4chan of all places. I just simplified it to show one of the biggest overarching faults I find with the system.
I view HDI the same way I view PISA and IQ scores. They dont take everything into account and are a simplification themselves but its still a fair metric by which to compare entities
>>57887388
What are you basing that assumption on?
>>57877255
High pop. density + large economies
makes sense to me.
>>57888456
2/2:
As I understand it, it's HDI=average, whereas IHDI=median.
>>57877255
>per capita vs total doesn't matter because this map confirms my beliefs
>>57888456
starting from page 4 if you were interested http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdr2015_technical_notes.pdf
IHDI puts a much higher emphasis on the differences between the two extremes than actually looking at the overall picture. As another simplification it favors 2 lower middle class people over a person in poverty and a billionaire.
>>57888586
IHDI measures the services available to the bottom rungs of society, not the average
>>57888586
negative. Thats what you would think but when you actually look into it you find out that it favors fairness over a true representation of life quality. This leads to countries like Japan, America, and Chile to rank lower and countries like Estonia, Spain, Italy, and turkey to rank higher than their true averages
>>57888845
What I get from it is that it's literally HDI-Atkinson Index, and that it's not really the 'most scientifically correct' method to measure inequality, but I can't tell what error there lies within the index with my 15 minutes of knowledge about the method.
Assuming it does however overvalue this, I don't think inequality is something to be left out of HDI completely. A country should be measured by what kind of living standards the average person experiences, not the average of 10 million very wealthy people and 30 million extremely poor. It would give a distorted image of the country's living standards imo.
Is there a better method that doesn't overvalue inequality in your opinion?
>>57889949
whew there's more. Hold on.
>>57877255
>absolute numbers
And public spending includes military.
>>57889949
>HDI-Atkinson Index, and that it's not really the 'most scientifically correct' method to measure inequality
yes I agree and this is also the method that the United Nations Human Development Report uses to make their rankings. This is the data you see in wikipedia.
The reason I find fault in it specifically is from how the Inequality dimension (variable A in the report) is calculated. It only takes the highest and lowest distributions into account which is then used to make the inequality adjustment. Statistically this is much closer to the range of a data set than the median.
>>57884365
Not me, I'm rich and I live in California.
I'm better than you simply by existing.
Individual > Collective
>>57890443
also forgot:
>Is there a better method that doesn't overvalue inequality in your opinion?
the current system is the only comprehensive one I know of. I think that a true median would be a much more accurate metric but this would be basically impossible to obtain. While im not a statistician by any means I believe that multiplying the A variable by a factor of 0.5-0.8 before it is applied to the un-adjusted index would at least lower the effect this pitfall has
>>57887117
>>thousands of European women (and a man LMAO) raped by Muslim migrants
Memes
>>57890634
Spoken like a true American
what we had over the US was no robberies nor crime
that ended with the lax borders and influx of immigrants
these days there are constant home robberies done by eastern europeans here
parks are no longer safe after dark
>>57890902
m8 you must have misspelled muslims
>>57890823
>Cologne is in Sweden
French geography
>>57891427
Roughly the same argument could be made.
The first cuckoo does not necessarily indicate the arrival of spring, by the way.
What happened to Cologne was horrible, but that's hardly representative of the 1 million+ migrants in Germany. We just need more control when they are inside our countries.
>>57891961
Les musulmans vont musulmaner.
>>57884996
What the fuck is this retarded ass chart
Are you telling me that the top 10% of japanese are somehow on par with fucking POLAND? And they are somehow on the same tier as Canada's bottom 10%?
Absolute horseshit.
>>57892242
>Ad hominem
Si croire que je suis Musulman t'aide à dormir la nuit anon, fais de beaux rêves
