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The greatest country ever
Veto
>>57844418
>flag
>veto
Typical lithuanian
>>57844418
>veto
>>57844213
>no enter to black sea
>russians can contact with europe without permission
>>57844994
Yeah. This has to be fixed in next edition.
Prščžčšpo...
Ronpoščošpoli...
Nope, can't do it.
Is there enough precedent to just move Poland East so big Germany can come back? Are Ukrainians and Belorussians even real?
Yo Pole Land scoot over a lil, nigga.
>>57845141
Repeat after me:
Zhetchpohspohslihtah
>>57845141
Rzeczpospolita obojga narodów.
Not really that hard to say, there are far worse words and names.
>>57845179
>wanting big germany
Why? We already know what happend when germany got big.
The only reasonable thing to do is to make it smaller.
sadly muscovites stop the fun
>>57845245
>>57845301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aVCgV6tIjE
>>57845406
https://youtu.be/-ithViBMF1k
>It doesn't have to be like this
>All we need to do is make sure we keep talking
>>57845455
Glorious movie.
>>57845301
Republika obeh narodov, kurba! Jaz poprdevam!
>>57844213
Idite w pizdu polskie kurwy
>>57845372
Germany needs Prussia back.
Big Germany is good Germany.
>>57845658
You literally beg for this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram
>>57845658
>land full of ruskies and poles
>barely any germans left
>the most prussian city in prussia is a typical russian shithole
>giving it to germany
Not even saying anything about our sea acces.
Seriously, the big germany meme has to stop, they had their chance to be big and they failed, now they cant even take care of their own land.
>>57845658
Got cucked twice.
Only got themselves to blame.
>>57844213
>C*tholicism
>Elective monarchy
>lack of Polonization
>not ressetling Ukrainians
>not destroying Russia in 1612
>not destabilizing HRE with France
>not annexing Prussia
>not allying with Ottomans
1) Shitty monarchy.
Unlike other European monarchies that continued to centralize, in Commonwealth the nobles (Szlachta) and magnates wielded the most power. It's almost like the situation in pre-feudal western Europe when the "King" was mostly a titular title and wielded considerably less power than his """vassals""".
2) Got gangbanged:
For a long time Poland was the most civilized nation in the area, but with emerging Swedish, Russian, and Prussian Empires, they got #REKT to the point there was no chance of recovery. Sweden probably did the most damage, and Prussia, Russia and Austria just divided the rubbles... Combined with reason number 1m there was no effective Polish gov to do anything about it.
3) Ukrainian rebellion:
While by itself it wasn't THAT disastrous, the rebels soon made an alliance with Russian Empire, so the commonwealth had to fight not only enemies outside their border, but also enemies inside. Which is sux, right?
4) Eastern Europe became increasingly irrelevant:
The Pope always liked big strong Catholic states, which Poland was one of them. Normally, he wouldn't let (Orthodox) Russia or Protestants to have a piece of Polen - but sadly after the "Thirty Years War" no one gave a fuck what the Pope thinks anymore.
Also any trade routes through the eastern Europe became obsolete 'cause new sea trade routes and colonization and shiet.
>>57844213
Serenissima Res Publica Poloniae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_j_N6kUMQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83hwEc7B9CI
>>57844418
Magnusque Ducatus Lithuaniae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-I_bi1J11Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i--bB93hKKE
>>57846406
1) So? Eventually the state begun to reform itself, doing this so fast and well it has to be murdered before it regain its rightful status of regional power.
2) This is not our merit, so this point is discarded in the whole.
3) "While cossacks are of body and blood of the Commonwealth, they are lesser parts of it, like hair or nails, which need to be cut." Brilliant policy, we were begging for this rebellion.
4) And this irrelevant corner of the world gave birth to Prussia. It's not the history what makes man, but it's man who makes the history.
Also:
>destroying Russia
Panowie szlachta wanted to make Russia part of our sphere of influence, not to destroy it. What was fully reasonable. Stop thinking in terms of besieged fortress (or should I say, Soviet trench?). The enemy has to be disarmed and befriended, not to be bullied.
>>57847439
Enemy like Russia has to die
>>57847439
>Eventually the state begun to reform itself
That state was ahead of many western European countries in many areas already from the15th century.
>Brilliant policy, we were begging for this rebellion.
Technically Protestant Brits and Protestant traitors within the PLC were praying for that.
>>57847561
If we won't respect Russian pride and soul, if we do what they will perceive as another smuta, we won't be able to govern them when Russia collapses and fragments itself.
you can call it the butthurt conference.
>>57847733
Still better than visiting the godfather in some God forsaken town.
WE WUZ KAINGS AND SHEEEIT
>>57845602
rude
>>57848184
Blondynki. Also, bump.
>>57850659
Bump for Moskwa being rightfully Polish.
>>57850717
I never stated otherwise. I just don't want our men to be besieged again and forced to eat each other. It has to be done... smoothly this time.
>land of Allah
>"rightfully Polish"
Dream more, slavshits
>>57844213
Tfw you will never get to hussar charge turks
y live
>>57850911
>land of Allah
>oh hear me, brethern, an angel came to me, I could hear his voice, voices in my head, aaargh!
What do you worship, you filth...
>>57844213
Too much clay
>>57851398
>russia
>too much clay
