Would you die for your country /int/?
>>57770664
Nope.
>>57770664
Not for the current Germany. Just nuke it already.
>>57770664
No.
But I'd kill for it.
Depends on who I'm fighting to be honest.
No, but I would use it as an excuse to kill. I want to know what it feels like to take a life and get away with it.
Better kill for it. Yes, I'd defend Russia.
>>57770664
no but i would kill
>>57770664
>that map
red means your country has been bullied by neighbors
as for the question, yes
>>57770664
I would die for the South Korea. Japan and japs are too disgusting monkey zoo but Korea is a most beautiful Asian country.
>>57770715
>>57770944
>>57770980
>>57771034
Yes. Kill yourselves to defend your country from degeneracy.
>>57771120
fuck no
>>57770664
>die so the same politicians keep sitting in the same chairs
pass
No lol
What kind of sheep you have to be to die for anything, your life is only thing that matters to you, and if you think otherwise you're a beta cuck
>>57771382
>you need to die of old age otherwise you're a cuck
>>57770664
stupid Poles.
>>57770664
yes
>>57771382
Actually, now that I think about it, I would die for my children. But that's about it.
I wouldn't hesitate killing anyone threatening my country or people who I care about though. But if the death was inevitable, I wouldn't do it.
I'd fight and kill(if I must) for the safety of my family without a doubt.
>>57770664
Defensive/revolutionary war: Yes
Offensive/gib oil war: No
Defensive/revolutionary war: No
Offensive/gib oil war: Yes
>>57770664
depends. If NATO is involved, no.
I actually like my country, I wouldn't fight for a kike.
>All the cucks ITT
no wonder ISIS sees us as a easy target...
fucking western europe.
I want to preserve my way of life and that of my family. If that entails fighting an enemy, foreign or domestic, using lethal force then hell yeah I'd do it.
And it looks like we'll be mobilizing to search for catch illegals soon too.
>>57771195
topkek
It's not like I want to protect my country or anything, but avoiding drafts would be too much of a hassle, and it's not like my life is worth anything. So I might do it because it just can't be helped.
>>57770664
Hahaha of course not
Just take my gf and move somewhere else
But like czechs say: we were there before austria and we will be there after austria
>dying for something this artificial
i see no borders here
>>57770664
>WW3: Of course
>Civil war: The South will rise again!!
>Taking sandnigger oil: Kek no
>>57770664
No.
>>57773278
But there is clearly a barren wasteland between Europe and central Africa, where people were never meant to settle
>>57770664
Never.
I would even help the invaders destroy this country as quickly as possible even if it means my death so i could spare inocent people from being born in this hell
perhaps if my "country" wasnt ruled by a mob of corrupt kikes and commies for a government.
Nah, i'll fight for my family's rights,other than that it's every goyim for himself, that's it.
>Would you die for your country /int/?
No.
I would rather kill to defend my family.
>Everyone saying that they would kill for their families instead of actually slaughtering you parents, wife and children
Lol, what a bunch of fags
ill die for my queen and are nige
lol at the anemic numbers for Europe
you guys really do deserve the situation you're in now
For Turks, Arabs and Niggers against other countries ?
No.
Die Germany against the plague mentioned above ?
Yes.
>>57774407
It's OK little Orphan Anne
Not everyone has hopes and dreams to hold on to
well, i'm suicidal anyway, so why not?
>>57770664
Not for my country
i would die for a good cause but the idea of "muh country muh patriotism" are retarded to me
>>57770664
I would like to have something to believe in.
Thinking about helping out my church more, not that I do really believe a lot.
But it seems worthwhile.
Only for protect my country from invaders like gooks. Other shit like ukraine war or crimea is for full retards.
>>57774576
I think it is better than "muh religion".
I could understand people from mena if they would bomb for being opressed, but the thought of killing for god when it is expressively forbidden by any abrahamic religion makes me sick.
At least be honest about why you do it.
What's the point?
There's barely any enemy Norway could defeat.
>>57774575
why are you suicidal, you shouldn't be.
I bet you're a great person
>>57774679
Mooses.
And swedish and homegrown djihadists.
>>57774727
You as a Finn should understand it.
Seriously, I believe your environment fucks up people that are not born with the abillity to grow accustomed to it.
>>57774761
The plural of moose is actually meese.
>>57774790
I'm not a Finn
>>57774666
Yeah while im not religious myself
people who use religion to justify their faggotry piss me off
no faith calls for murder
>>57774864
Fenno-Swede then?
Isn't that basically being finnish, with more than half of "finns" being fenno-swedes?
>>57770664
No, our minister of Defence is a woman. I would rather protect my family and the family of my girlfriend
>>57774891
I'm an exchange student from Chile
>>57774870
Problem is that Mohammad wrote some laws down that were not only about matters of the soul.
If you are allowed to kill in "holy" wars in defense its only a matter of time until you start shooting people on your lawn or because you felt threatened.
Just look at the US and their guns.
>>57774945
How is it?
How do you cope with it?
>>57773278
fuck off
people like you are going to kill sweden
>>57770664
Hell no. Those that say yes should read All Quiet on the Western Front by Remarque.
I agree with this lad though>>57770715
>>57770664
>Gib Malvinas
Yes.
Yes.
All of these disguisting pussies ITT,what would your ancestors say?
>>57774945
Victor?
>cowardtugal
>>57774991
Finland is great
I've been too depressed and alcoholic before actually arriving here to appreciate things fully.
But still, these months I've been feeling more 'at home' than in all those years I lived in Chile anyway.
Lakes and forests are awesome, people are extremely kind.
>>57774952
yeah I know
words can easily be twisted
>>57770664
I would only die for this (pic related)
there's only one race, the human race.
borders are imaginary lines drawn by men ;^)
>>57770664
>Italy
>15-20%
ahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahaha nice one
>>57775081
They did the same with the old testament here, but I still believe if you worship a guy nailed to a cross and NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT and want to say that killing is ok...you are doing it wrong, man.
>Of course saying that killing is a sin, but that it is a sin you are willing to commit is another matter....
>>57775071
I often heard that being abroad helps you find what kind of person you actually are, since you are freed of the old net of conceptions of others have about you and those you have about yourself too.
Have fun, man!
>>57770664
Yes, Sweden is worth dying for.
>>57774666
>Atheist shitskin
>>57770664
Seems like people from prosperous countries don't want to die for their country, only those from shitholes would? Why?
>>57775356
Agnostic whitey, if you please.
Inb4: "Uuh how edgy, agnostic!"
Thinking that people using "fancy" words is arrogant only shows that most people feel inadequate about their own education.
>>57774666
>killing for god
>expressively forbidden by any abrahamic religion
>>57775436
If you have nothing external to fight like nature or other nations or even hunger people tend to turn against each other.
Happened in rome too.
>>57775467
What are the ten commandments?
Nothing trumps them.
>>57775446
Wut, you sound like an arrogant shitskin Arab, thats why I wrote it
I'm gonna go ahead and say no because I couldn't give 2 shits of where I or you are from.
>>57775632
What was arrogant or arab about it?
Did it sound like "It has nothing to do with Islam"?
I'd defend it from invaders, but I'd not fight in an unnecessary war.
>>57775739
How do you feel about the whole affair of Böhmerman insulting Erdogan?
The wierd part is he did that to provoke exactly that kind of response.
Your President has all right to feel insulted, but he doesn't really handle it well at all compared to Obama for example who is often called a Monkey by his own citizens.
>>57775446
"Agnostics" aren't mocked because it's a difficult word, they're mocked because they call themselves a word that they do not understand and that doesn't answer the fucking question.
>>57775531
>Nothing trumps them.
[citation needed]
>>57775305
>t. terroni
I would give my life for Italia.
t. Milanese
>>57775842
I fucking hate AKP and Erdogan, so all power to Böhmerman.
Plus like you said, Erdogan handled the situation like a whiny little bitch which gives another reason to not support him here. And wasn't what Böhmerman said protected under freedom of speech? There is literally no reason to be against Böhmerman in this situation.
Is he getting fired or jailed btw? Hopefully Merkel didn't bend over that much to please Erdo.
>>57775997
>I would give my life for Italia.
Says the one living in Sweden
>>57775975
What does trump them then?
Please deliver proofs.
>>57776095
Well, he did say that what he was doing now was illegal before he started reading it.
He might get bothered due to open slander IS punishable.
if you call anyone some huge insult he is in his right to sue you.
So he could get into trouble for it because of insulting someone, but we will see.
I personally hope they let him of because its basically his profession to insult people.
Same with "rappers" that go all out on stuff.
it is a personal thing though, mostly.
If you don't sue someone for it, nobody normally cares.
>Tfw Erdogan or th Turkish state might have to sue them sort of personally to get any results.
For Germany?
Hell no
For Turkey?
Yes.
>>57776336
Then move there please.
>>57770664
Absolutely, but can i exterminate the government too?
>>57776365
I need to leech off more money first. See it as a punichment for being shit.
depends:
-Acquiring acess to the pacific, SWEDEN YES
-Being meatshield for the US of A, SWEDEN NO
>>57776336
I'm assuming you're an actual ethnic Turk that would fight for you here.
I don't know if you realise it, but we Turkey Turks fucking detest you. You're smug, you can't speak proper Turkish, you have a superiority complex towards us(bragging about your BMW and shit)
You don't belong here filthy Almancı. I don't give a shit if you feel like you don't belong to Germany, because you're a literal subhuman.
>>57776471
Well, what can I expect from anatolian or rural kurdish farmers?
Seems like the good people mostly stayed at home.
>>57770664
Da.
>>57776570
t. Mehmet "dey Kurds"
>>57776527
Genocide them when ?
>>57770664
I don't devote even a drip of blood for japan.
but I won't hesitate at all to fight for south east Asian countries against Chinese and western pigs.
>>57776527
Fuck off you piece of shit. I dislike worthless rats like you as well. You are not any better than krauts in my eyes.
>>57776527
Thanks Turkbro.
Is it really that abd though?
As in "Look at my rented BMW, peasants!"?
Its a sad thing that even vietnamnese are better integrated than turks here.
>>57770664
Not without making the bastard threatening my country die for his, first.
>>57770664
No, but I would die for Serbia
>>57776624
>t. Mehmet
>>57770664
100% no, fuck Russia.
>>57776614
What is it that we do, except being all around better?
Do you feel mistreated because you see you mostly can't compete with germans in business and education?
Because we shure as hell don't treat you that badly.
The turks I know in university were all great guys, why can't you be more like them?
>>57770664
Country? yes
For the state? Would not even lift a finger lol
>>57776671
I am german you nitwit.
>>57770664
depends on the context. With any circumstances likely to happen in my lifetime, probably not.
>>57770664
Nope because I value life more than some piece of land
Anyone who says otherwise is either autistic or an amerilard
so the same politician can sit down and still abuse his people?
well no.
but if it meant that we were really under threat for all the people in russia and way of live get worse I would fight yes
>>57776710
I am a student as well you dumb shit. But don't expect me to treat you Nazis well. You don't deserve any kind of respect.
>>57776750
You act like a cucked turk though.
>>57770664
I'd be more likely to be fighting against it to be overthrown and ruled by someone else. I hate this country and most of the people in it.
fuck no
you're retarded if you would
i have already beat the shit out of a spaniard waiter in paris and some german fag for talking shit about italy, also threatened some brown ass turk. won't think twice about slitting some fag's throat. yeah kill me idgaf
>>57776824
Bot the smae people you are answering right now.
If we were nazis, you would have been gassed.
Seriously, explain to me why you dislike us Kartoffeln so much.
Because we are immoral westerners?
Because you can prosper in our state and are way better of than at "home"?
Sorry for allowing you to live a good life then...
>>57776845
t. andrei alecsandri
No wonder Europe is such a shithole, the only patriots there are extremists like islamic state.
>>57776527
Oh and I also forgot to mention. You're lazy, you rely on your father's money. You're mostly mudslime scum, voting for AKP all the time.
>>57776614
who even cares what you think? Germans took you in and you won't even feel grateful. They could have kicked all Turks from Germany and they didn't. Instead they gave you welfare and jobs. They done you more good than any other people did. Seriously, kill yourself.
>>57776602
Please soon.
>>57776624
Not as obvious as that. They will(I had many experiences with them) brag about their wealth in a subtle manner by mentioning how much they make, or by randomly opening the topic of their brand new car out of nowhere. Then they list the specs and how much it costed in their fucked up Turkish.
>this thread
the european caliphate will be formed sooner than i expected
>>57775997
t.delusional polentazzo
terroni make up the vast majority of soldiers and are the ones to actually die in battle, statistically they are way more patriotic and nationalistic than northern faggots
polentacucks are pussies with a superiority complex who one day babble about being "real italy", the day after that they want to secede.
>>57776710
t. Mehmet
>>57776911
t.faggot
Absolutely
>>57776963
It just worries me.
I think we should abolish double nationality like the USA does.
Either you are german, or you aren't.
Especially not letting them vote (for Erdogan) in Turkey.
He even said on a speech here that they should "stay Turks".
i am ok with people staying turkish, but not the capital letter version as it means not being german.
>>57777003
Again and still Bernd, dingus.
>>57776982
>he would die for BRA71L
>>57770664
Not a fucking chance. This country (ie: government) has done nothing for me and has been fucking people in the ass since forever.
Also, society in Buenos Aires is fucked up as well and most people shit on their fellow man. We're pretty fun people, though.
I'd rater die for a side in a civil/revolutionary war then defend it from invaders
>>57777104
All countries should abolish double citizenships
and focus on assimilating the populace.
>>57773278
Neither did the Native Americans, faggot. Look what happened to them.
In response to OP, hell yeah. I'm not doing anything better with my life.
>>57777104
German is an ethnicity not something that you can magically become you cuck
ezz
>>57770664
under no circumstances
>>57776963
MUH MUH GERMANY.
It seems like you care a lot what I say. I am really ashamed about turkey turks. Look how shitty Turkey is right now. No wonder if people like you live in that country.
>>57776889
I don't want to explain it over and over again. I am tired of it. You dream a lot if you think we have it good in Germany right now tho.
>>57777104
You know, even the majority of Turkey Turks voted for Erdogan in Turkey right? Even in western Turkey AKP got a lot of votes. Don't think they are in any better position. Even the pro-terrorism kurdish party got 10% of the votes and is part of the state . Turkey Turks are so cucked, they can't be helped anymore.
>>57770664
of course not, I'd be running around stabbing our politicians
>>57775031
>what would your ancestors say?
WE WUZ KANGZ N SHIEEET
>>57777151
>le memeball banter
Nah, patriotism is what rich powerfull men do to get the young and stupid to die on a battlefield. See WWI.
>>57774727
I wish I could be this empathetic to random people on the internet.
>>57770664
I already have done.
>>57776208
You're the one claiming they trump everything else in the holy texts. How about you provide proof of that instead?
>>57774952
>implying using lethal force against an intruder or attacker on the street isn't entirely justified
>>57775348
she's a grill who keeps posting on /mämmi/
>>57775436
1st worlders are set for life and comfy
3rd worlders are poor and butthurt and would fight for their """countries""" because they don't give a fuck anymore
>Dying for the oligarchs oil and gas
no thanks, I'd rather ally russian enemies
No, I would rather kill my country.
>badly injure a few Chileans
>put them on a car
>make the car go downhill from a mountaintop in the Andes
>blast reggaeton all the way down to their deaths
>>57770664
It depends.
Another Vietnam or Iraq? No way.
Defending against an attack on a US state or territory? Of course.
>>57774945
Hello my friend
How are you
>>57778137
who would try to attack the USA in your lifetime?
>>57771195
>degeneracy
>>57770664
Not in all circumstances, but generally yes.
But we're the #2 most neutral country in the world so chances are slim I'll have to anyways.
>>57770664
Certainly not.
>>57778182
hello
not good, hope I feel better tomorrow
and you? Would you die for your country?
The answers to this question relies too heavily on context for it to be in a simple "yes or no" format.
>>57778385
>>57775063
ARE YOU VICTOR OR NOT?
>>57778418
I'm not Victor
>>57778211
Dem turrurruss
I was 16 when 9/11 happened, so that's probably influenced my paranoia level.
On that note, I'm too old to be drafted, lads. Have fun dying instead of me!
>>57770664
lol no
and most certainly not while it's filled with mudslimes that keep on living in it
I would fight for my country.
>>57778528
well, i can see that, but what i meant was in a nation-wide scale.
>>57771120
Leave Japan immediately
to repeat
Get out from Japan immediately
>>57777275
You can be Deutscher or be deutsch.
The latter you can become.
Arguably Almancis are deutscher then Turks so there is a grade in that regard.
On ethnicity i agree with you, but there is also the component of culture.
Read "Ein Araber und ein Deutscher müssen reden."
Abdel-Samad is right and hans Rath is just a way for him to talk about that subject.
>>57777293
Oh yeah SOOOO bad, I bet you get shot every day like black americans or treated like Kurds in turkey.
The biggest problem is that most turkish families came here as low educated workers to do jobs that everybody with two hands could have done also.
You are still seen like that and the negative islam image spreads to you.
That is bad, I agree.
But more and more turkish families get actually educated and we have people like özdemir in politics (even though he is green and I dislike them).
Either you are part of the problem of the durka durka we have to be turkish/muslim as fuck mentality that most muslim diaspora has or you actually get out there and achieve something.
As you are in university you are on your best way to do exactly that.
You have to have noticed that academia doesn't care at all about where you from.
>>57773278
>>57775531
>Nothing trumps them.
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill" (Matt. 5: 17)
Anything NT trumps OT, as Christ is the fulfillment of OT commands. To follow Christ is to be a follower of commands+.
>>57775348
>you are freed of the old net of conceptions of others have about you and those you have about yourself too
Shrooms have the same effect.
>>57778918
Where does the NT allow you to kill?
>>57770664
>Poland
>20-30%
Are you sure the question wasn't mistranslated to: "Would you die now in your country?"
>>57779010
ketsu wo taberu
>>57779010
Nice
>>57779010
>>57777356
Stop using 4chan. It's bad for your soul.
Yes. Fuck the cowardly liberal scum that say otherwise.
>>57770664
probably
>>57779163
Actually helepd me, you can be ridiculously friendly here with out getting wierdly looked at.
I fear that either says bad stuff about german culture or me as a person.
>>57778739
>nation-wide scale
Canada
Absolutely not
I hope the Chads go off to die in the trenches though, and leave their girls behind
Beta uprising on the home front
>>57775467
>>killing for god
there is absolutely nothing wrong with killing for god, assuming you kill for th right price.
>>57779131
I hate our wizards.
Theyre smart asses and extra virginity than most wizards.
>>57778974
It doesn't. In fact, Jesus' command to "turn the other cheek" supersedes the command to take "an eye for an eye."
I wasn't taking a side on the question of whether or not it is ever moral to kill. For that, I'd refer not to scripture, but to the ideas regarding just war theory put forth by Augustine and Aquinas.
>relying only on scripture
>discarding 1500 years of Christian theology
Ugh, protestants...
>>57779433
Even if he forbids it?
>>57778402
Yeah. Answers to a hypothetical scenario where you can push a button that saves your country from genocide/occupation but also kills you would be different than "would you go on a suicide mission at war?". And furthermore different from "would you kill/fight for your country?"
>>57779224
>you can be ridiculously friendly here with out getting wierdly looked at
Um...
>I fear that either says bad stuff about german culture
It does.
>or me as a person
Naw, I'm sure you're fine. Have you ever visited the US? You'd probably get along fine here.
>>57779556
hmmmm?
say wut?
>>57779578
Would like to visit.
On that note, I heard being friendly is customary sou you get a lot of fake friendliness too.
>>57779315
>leave their girls behind
They still won't like you, coward. If anything, you will be universally detested instead of just ignored.
Depends If it's about resistance then yes because I'd rather die than living under inhuman conditions however if it's about us trying to get clay for no reason then no.
Of course. We have too dank memes to lose
>>57779639
I've never understood the distinction. Someone being nice as a form of politeness isn't fake imo. That said, avoid fake, tourist-y places. Nobody who goes to NYC, LA, or some beach town in FL has any legitimate reason to complain about Americans being fake.
I would 100% die in defence of my country, and I think anyone who does is a martyr in the highest form.
However I think sending your citizens to die for imperialistic reasons or to further your own interests is the most gross and sinful waste of human life and should be treated as such.
>>57779897
Well, it might be seen that people do not mean what they say.
As in "come over any time!" and it ends up just being a thing you say but don't expect to taken as such.
Think about turns of phrase and how people who don't know them by heart could misunderstand them.
Its similar to how brits and your guys misunderstood each other while dating in WWII.
There are articles written about the different hierarchy of gestures.
Americans kiss faster than ukies and for brits kissing is only a small step before sex.
So both parties thought the other was very forward.
>>57770664
Why have I to believe this map is real or is about it?
Any source?
noop.
>>57771120
Why dont you move your ass to South Corea then?
Only defensive war.
As someone who has no country, you faggots who refuse to fight for your country don't have the slightest sense of gratitude or appreciation to what you have.
Are alamancis religious durka muslims or you re progressive like western t7rks?
>>57773278
I am actually seing one.
A water border between Spain and Africa.
The same between Britain and Iceland and the rest of the land.
>>57780666
You did have a country, it was called Jordan until you acted like utter savages and they kicked you out
>>57780709
>le perfidious anglo
>>57773278
dypt Sven, dypt
>>57773278
And this is why no one should accept Swedih refugees in their country in the future. Or Swedih immigrants. They may vote.
>>57780684
Torn up between both poles.
They are brough up in a culture that is western but at home they are mostly more conservative.
So people tend to be extreme, either western or durka. Still a lot in the middle but thats the diaspora syndrome.
>>57771120
Nice proxy
>>57780761
Well, you got kicked out of Jordan AND Lebanon after trying to fuck it up.
If I am wrong please correct me, you probably know more about it than I do.
I am a bit miffed about the whole Lebannon thing though.
>Government promoted war
No
>Defensive against any nationalist movement
No
>Against NWO
Yes
>Nationalostic revolution
Fucking yes
>Kebab removal war
When?
Obviously I am talking about fighting.
I'd fight to protect people close to me. I guess defending the country is a bonus.
>>57780859
You gotta look at things from historical perspective. For a starter, half of northern Jordan was part of Ottoman Palestine, and thus the newly installed monarchy by the Brits didn't resonate well with Palestinians. Second, PLO was established by Egypt and during the period was governed by them as well if you want to say so, they didn't like monarchies and wanted to cause shit in several arab countries to install a communist or socialist regimes which many of the parties in PLO were, and in Lebanon it was the same game, Syrian led country by a communist backed regime wanted to annex Lebanon and Palestine in their vision of the greater Syria and up until early 00s Syria was still addressing Palestine and Lebanon as parts of it in their propaganda materials. Now, the Maronites didn't like that and wanted their own Christian state fueled by earlier French campaign to deArabize them by propagating the Phoenician narrative which is BS through their missionaries and they succeeded, and so with conflicted national views, the Syrians found an ally in some communist parties within PLO and the rest of PLO was dragged into this war after the massacre of quarantine. This divide within PLO internal policies led to a sideline civil war in Lebanon where parties allied to Syria fought against mainstream Fatah and killed each other. It is a complicated shit show tbqh, but the summary is Palestinians did some mistakes, and so did others, but these Palestinians were leadership appointed by Arabs not Palestinians themselves at the time, as for the common man position was much more peaceful, e.g. in Jordan Palestinians served high ranking positions like PM even after the events in 1970s
>>57780108
>Think about turns of phrase and how people who don't know them by heart could misunderstand them.
That's the crux of the matter. Also, we're not a monoculture. What might be a polite gesture in the PNW might be a sincere invitation in Georgia. That said, I've yet to receive an insincere invitation. Just give your host a few weeks' notice, as Americans' schedules are usually packed and may require adjustment to accommodate a guest.
>>57781212
Thank you, good write up.
I just do feel threatened by Lebanons christians vanishing more and more and that they were also the majority in many syrian towns earlier.
But back to Palestine:
Would you say it would have been best to accept the deal the Israelis proposed you at the beginning?
>>57781677
>I just do feel threatened by Lebanons christians vanishing more and more
A lot of them came here. GOAT immigrants, I gotta say.
My country never did anything to protect my interests. I don't feel obliged
>>57781677
Lebanese Christians vanished at the beginning due to economical reasons, and most of their immigration happened even before WWI. Fun fact, there are 8 million Lebanese Christians in Brazil, and smaller numbers in other SA countries, and so Syrian and Pali Christians, for example we have over 500k Christians in Chile alone that of Palestinian origins.
>Would you say it would have been best to accept the deal the Israelis proposed you at the beginning?
That time was complicated for several reasons:
A) Palestinians didn't think it was fair for someone to divide their land and take over 50% of it according to UN division Plan if that's what you mean.
B) There were opposite views at the time, the view which opposed Jewish presence in Palestine at all, headed by the grand mufti husseini who was put in that place by the Brits to please the Arabs since they supported the husseini clan, and that didn't end up well since he abused his powers to advance his political views, e.g. issuing fatwas and stuff. The other view was headed by the other rival family Nashashibi and majority of towns, they wanted and gave the jews a proposition where they can stay in one state lead by a council of jews, christian and muslims in exchange of helping build a modern country. Sadly, that side leadership was assassinated by the Husseinis and since all weaponry was smuggled to them by Arabs, they didn't face much opposition.
C) The Jews didn't like the plan either, the borders if you look at them are hellish to defend and would lead to war eventually.
There are other reasons, but these were the main ones, but honorable mention and is related to husseinis is Arab intervention in the struggle which led to many decisions being taken by Arabs instead of Palis.
>>57782204
Thanks again.
But again back to christians.
I just feel that minorities vanish and vanish in middle eastern countries and don't treated very nicely by their overlords.
IStanbul which is still the seat of the patriarch of Konstantinopel is a good example, or how the copts have it egypt.
What do you say about that, as you are basically part of a mistreated minority as well?
I know its a fiddly subject, but this whole stuff is a big one with more and more people coming here who dont want to integrate.
>>57782386
Nah, it is fine.
Christians subject is interesting, and it goes way back. Christians were a majority in the Levant up until the crusades finished, and that what brought their new misery since they were viewed by the neighboring seat of powers Kurds and later Mamluks and Ottomans as possible traitors, and so the forced conversion campaign began in the levant. Which is funny since Arabs always get to be blamed for that while they were the ones that allowed them even to grow in numbers during 7th to 11th centuries. Now, them as a minority and myself coming from a converted minority had a delicate position in the middle east, the Ottomans and before them the Kurds left a big heritage when it comes to mistreatment of them, and planted superstitions about them and their intentions which was all due to Crusades. When it comes to modern day, I think their situation is tragic at best, Christianity is going to continue to dwindle across the region, and unless some charismatic new leadership appears and help them, nothing is ever going to change, it is going to get worse. Perhaps the few remaining in WB, Lebanon and Jordan still treated somewhat better than else where in the middle east, but their numbers are shrinking also due to the hardships that these countries are facing regardless of religion.
>>57782708
True.
But that is a reason why I don#t want growing muslim communities here.
They will want to replace us either way.
If yo uare not allowed to build a church in a lot of muslim countries why should we be nicer?
>>57782386
I must add another point, is that especially during these times there's a big opportunity for preachers and missionaries in the safe middle east regions. Many of the youth are facing a faith crisis, and if for example a missionary starts up the debate about religion and invite these youth for discussion, it may persuade some of them to it with the condition of what he offers is better than what they left and appeals to their modern view of the world, so old christian shit like kill gays and fuck the witches ain't going to work on them. Another solution would be money, and I am not kidding, people follow prosperity it is the only religion.
>>57782771
>>57782708
PS:
Thanks anway for answering me, after all there are some palestinian christians too.
I just begin to doubt that there can be anything else beyond some people shitting on others.
Which one do I want to be?
>>57770664
No.
>>57782855
I care more about the culture than the religion and how it symbolises what the Muslim majority is doing.
If they would be left alone it would be ok.
>>57782771
See, I agree with that. And I don't like Islam. But, here you have a problem that you don't want to become like them, so what are you going to do? Answer is simple, empty their religion of its followers. A new reformed Islam is your only chance.
>>57782990
Fat chance on that.
Palestinians seem to understand nationalism divided from religon more than others, but most people in mena will rather get together in the ummah to adress wrongs.
But that is easily hijacked, more easily than wanting your country back I'd say.
>>57782890
>>57782938
You are welcome.
I'd say oriental culture is nice, if you remove the Islamic parts. For example, middle easterners have a great sense of hospitality and generosity, strong commitment to their community, friendly and helpful.
Problem is, Islamic teachings that aren't compatible with modern society.
>>57781212
Pretty interesting, ta' la'
>>57770664
UK imports a shit ton of immigrants over the last 60 years
No one wants to die for Britain. Surprise,surprise
>>57783085
Actually, the Ummah part I only encountered with diaspora people, never that I met a middle easterners who spoke of Ummah that wasn't a hardliner on TV. Jordanians have strong sense of nationality, so do Lebanese, and so Egyptians, and many Moroccans and Tunisians, and most of the ordinary people in these countries see themselves as their nationality first. If anything, the middle east is suffering from Pan-Arabism hangover, which was a secular nationalistic movement rather than religious one.
>>57770664
no way
>>57776982
If you believe you would die for the blob, why wait? Become a suicidal butcher and kill yourself in a war. Maybe someone will send a medal to your house and your mother will say
>This medal symbolizes a problem I got rid of.
>>57770664
"no"
>>57783259
>>57783136
Good point, but I guess Islam is getting more and more conservative as an answer to the secularists failing.
If Nasser had suceeded, it wouldnt have been that bad. Would it?
Fuck no, I'd rather die for Russia
>dying for a piece of soil
Brazil doesn't deserves my life.
>>57783386
Why you saying that like you have a choice?
>>57783355
That's true in part, and because Islamic thinking didn't develop in the past century and was held hostage by dictatorships. For example, Egypt had a communist in power that fought against any form of political Islam which led him to have Azhar which is the highest philosophical center in Islam during that period under his influence and thus rendered anything that comes out of this institution as a corrupt propaganda by the government. In the east things weren't going well too. Palestine which was also a center of scholarship during middle ages was in turmoil. Syria and Iraq the other seats of Caliphates and Islamic teachings were under communist baathist regimes who suppressed any form of progress not just religious one. Lebanon was civil war, Iran is Shia and was being played by US and Brits. The north African countries were Tunisa (Had an ataturk like president), Algeria was just trying to get up from two centuries colonization and Morocco was in shit state. And so middle east didn't have any option to develop any form of modern Islam and the alternative was Saudis and Gulfies with their new found money and shitty wahhabism.
There's no way Nasser would've brought anything good to the middle east whether he won or not. He in my opinion one of the worst things to happen to the middle east in the 20th century.
>>57783792
Why exactly was Nasser so bad?
About being progressive:
I believe its a circle.
First you have those radical dessert nomads conquering the Sassanids And Byzantium.
Then they adapt their structures and become sort of better of than people in the west because civilisation was historically of higher niveau in the middle east and actually do some things way better than the christian states.
Then they get kicked from their cushy place by now more modern/advanced whatever westerners and BAM radicalisation.
Islam had allways very strong fundamentalistic notion, as in returning to the roots..didnt it?
Our escape in the west was stepping back from religion, I believe.
Or at least have structures and hierarchies handle religious matters.
Hard to to do that if you have loads of preahcers that all want to live like Muhammad did back then.
I do believe that mainstream Islam would be way more lenient there wasn't this power and wealth disparage.
But I prefer this state than attempts of being conquered by ottomans.
I'm really not sure if I'd die for my own country, lads.
But for this flag? I think I'd lay down my life.
>>57784207
Sorry for late reply
Islam during Umayyad and until late Abbasid had a progressive movement that even was a predecessor to the enlightenment of Europe, they argued about eternity of the message of Muhammad and the Quran, and how it was just a message for the time of Muhamad and should be confined to it. How about modern sciences should be a priority and how right and wrong should be a personal moral freedom to decide. I think it is unfair to lump all of Islamic era in one notion and sum it by the ideals of one sect of it. Sure, Muhammad had lots of bad stuff done in his time, but what followed from prosperity and enlightenment even if it was for couple of centuries was a marvel.
And Ottomans were war lords that's why they liked to conquer so much.
>>57770664
no lmao
>>57785889
That was what i meant.
When their states were running well it had a lot of enlightened discourse, but it seems as radicals even back then curtailed that.
How else do you explain that you didnt do what europe did?
The Mutazillah is a good example, isn't it?
>Muh Heresy.
>>57770664
>surrounded by cucks
fucking shameful
>le I would defend my family, but not my country ;)
Defending your country means defending your family, you stupid cucks. What do you think happens when enemy troops come to your cities and villages after you surrender? Enjoy having your wives and sisters getting raped and murdered, and your children brainwashed into despising their own heritage and culture.
>le I would kill for it, but not die for it ;)
You kill, you risk getting killed. Do you seriously think you can have one without the other?
nah my country has never done anything worth protecting or dying for.
>>57786062
>but it seems as radicals even back then curtailed that.
Yes and no, yes they managed to defeat the progressive in alliance to the king, but the public remained leaning towards progressiveness even until the end of the Abbasid empire. The problem was what followed is that Mongols came, fucked our shit up, and then crusaders and then the military rule which used the traditionalist religion as a way to control the masses, and these masses were Christians and other minorities in the case of the Levant and so they didn't partake in the previous Islamic renaissance. The Mutazillah is a good example of that renaissance. In short, it was just a bad luck.
>>57786469
I agree to that.
Mongols fucked shit up and Kings like religion propping themselves up.
Still ask myself why you did not have a french revolution sort of thing later.
Will be back, gym and such.
Back in two hours.
>>57786571
I think there's an important point everyone keeps on messing when it comes to the middle east and that is after all these ancient civilizations, wars, famines, plagues and continuous shit there wasn't enough population in it compared to Europe. For example, Egypt the largest arab country in the middle east was just 2 mills two hundred years ago. Palestine was in a few hundred thousands for over a millennia, and we had uprisings in several other places against the turks, kurds and others, but sadly we were over powered. We had wars against Arab immigrants at one point too which my family took part in. One good example about a revolution in Palestine was Zaher El Omar state, he established a sheikhdom against the willing of all the ottoman region rulers and allied with the Russians in return of support to form a state, and in that state tolerance was the policy, he built churches for Christians, allowed Jews and encouraged them to come and settle in Palestine. Unfortunately, we lost that war. Another one was also not so far behind that, when we had a war for rights and autonomous rule against the Ottomans in the 19th century, and it ended with 1/5th of male population being eradicated and tens of towns and villages being torn down. It is hard to fight the biggest empire at the time when you had no resources, no weapons and no allies. Brits and French did fuck us over too a few times in the past few centuries, so it is not that we didn't try, we didn't succeed. And that scenario happened in every other middle eastern country.
>>57773278
DUDE NO BORDERS BECAUSE MY EYES CANT SEE THEM FROM SPACE LMAO
>>57775446
>Being agnostic in a world where the Pope is literally using the media to get people back into the mother church by being a good guy, all the while the priests and bishops bringing forth conservative sermons and homilies
Francis is literally outjewing Jews tee bee ach
>>57787609
>>57773278
> sweden
not_big_surprise.mp3
>>57770664
dying is easy, its the only thing subhumans can think of concerning the advancement of their countries.
>>57787083
Thanks! Did not know about that!
But yes, divide and conquer was allways fun for rulers.
Lol nah
>>57770664
Yes
>>57773278
That's why we all should build giant walls.
>>57770664
>Anytime
I wouldn't mind devoting my tiny cheap life to my country.
