>A high ranking Nato source told the Lännen Media that Finlands government have been told that there will be no help without Nato membership.
>Many Finns had been hoping that a neutral Finland will stay out of Russian aggression. Nato sources say that a neutral Finland is an unrealistic thing.
>Americans say that the Nato membership will strengthen Finnish economy.
Finns on this board ACTUALLY BELIEVE they can hold off Russian aggression without NATO help, l m a o. What's the real reason they don't want to join?
>>57668049
>What's the real reason they don't want to join?
Massive investment in mandatory NATO gear that goes unused.
And we'd have to pay for a set amount of professional soldiers to be ready all the time.
And taking part in The Oil Wars is expensive too.
>>57668049
They are autistic really
>le evil russian is coming
Finlands likes to be alone
>tfw the Finnish will be reunited with our cousins the Mansi and Khantys soon enough
If only the Russians annexed Estonia and us too. We could be one big happy family.
>russian aggression
>>57668049
Reminder to all that american air force, marines and army are coming to train in Finland this year. Putin bots and ruskie goverment and media butthurt imminent.
>>57668638
that's how it should be, peace time alliances are for pussies
>>57668049
What difference does it make? We've already been annexed by the globalists and I don't even care if we're part of the EU-NATO-empire or Russia, either way we're not independent.
You can clearly tell that America's intentions are not good when they're trying to intimidate us into joining. That means there is some fine print in the terms of membership and our politicians will make some secret deals to sell the country to the Americans,
>>57668049
>Finns on this board ACTUALLY BELIEVE they can hold off Russian aggression without NATO
Such scenario won't take place since harm vs gain ratio from such conflict would be awful already.
>What's the real reason they don't want to join?
Because we won't gain anything from that + Russia is an unpredictable and unstable shithole.
>>57668906
> Putin bots and ruskie goverment and media butthurt imminent.
>and then Russia does the same on the border with Finland
>Finnish media: "ACT OF RUSSIAN AGRESSION CONFIRMED"
>/int/: "DAMN GOMMIES TRIES TO DO THIS SHIT AGAIN, AMERICA HELP"
>>57669592
The best thing about our NATO exercises is that our fucking President (who has no power BESIDES influence on foreign policy and military matters) was outraged to find out that the Americans had invited themselves into this country to hold military exercises.
The generals just bring in foreign troops into the country, the political leadership doesn't know about it, and then we complain that Russia is an unpredictable country.
STOP IT ALREADY
We are not offering the Balts our airforce in NATO and they can save money and buy their own fucking planes, DEAL WITH IT
>>57669305
Or there's a possibility that they don't want to defend a country when they don't have an obligation to do so
>>57668049
>Finns on this board ACTUALLY BELIEVE they can hold off Russian aggression without NATO help
They did it in winter war, we did it in 1920, I don't see any problems. If you believe in nuclear memes then u must be 18.
>>57669932
Not comparable to this day you Infernally stupid twat
>>57669592
The yellow papers love to scare people with Russia, it sells like bbc in Sweden. The politicians want to sell this country to the west and then move to Brussels with their fat wallets.
Lets not fight Ruski bro. Your government does shitty things too.
>>57669932
>We fought off Stalins Soviet Russia in the 20's
>So surely we will beat the modernized Russian army in an all out war today
Oh Poland, you so cute.
>>57670102
>>57670243
Sorry, Poland.
Invading Finland would be Afghanistan X Vietnam 2.0: Electric Boogaloo.
Slavs or anyone are free to try, it's not like we are having anything better to do.
can russia just please invade a baltic country so i can join the army?
>>57669928
So why aren't they going to tell, say, Guatemala that they're not going to defend them? Answer: they've smelled that Finns are nervous about Russia which means that this is their opportunity to pressure us into some deal that favors them.
This isn't exactly new stuff for us, when you live next to Russia you constantly get harassed by both Russia and Russia's enemies about how you absolutely must join in on their latest security scheme or face the consequences. America clearly has some plans against Russia and it would be retarded of us to simply surrender our country to be the battleground between America and Russia.
Remember these are the people whose philosophy is "let's start all the wars over there so that we never fight wars on America's home soil".
>>57670346
You better join the army before they invade a Baltic country or you won't have time to do it before the war is already over.
>>57670300
Not saying we would not put up a fight that is too much damage to the Russian to ever attack us. It would not be any "105 days of glory" shit.
>>57668049
> there will be no help without Nato membership.
yeah that happens with neutrality
> Nato sources say that a neutral Finland is an unrealistic thing.
no it isn't
>Americans say that the Nato membership will strengthen Finnish economy.
the opposite actually, it would mean buying the happy american arms merchant some more shit and paying for a professional force as well as conscription
it's just gay ass burgerstani power politics where they think they can just tell other countries what to do and get buttmad when they dont
>>57670102
Nice butthurt
>>57670243
Join nato then pussy. From my point of view, 1 enemy=there are 95% chances to not lose.
>>57668049
>What's the real reason they don't want to join?
Cucked baby boomer politicians.
>>57670611
>cucked
joining nato would be the cuck move
>>57670664
Doing what Russia says is the cuck move.
>>57670708
please show me where i implied that
why not just not give a shit about either of those faggot countries, i don't want ruskies here and i don't want americans here is that so hard to grasp
Russia wont invade you
They'll just fund underground Finnish freedom fighters and proxywar you to oblivion
>>57670570
>From my point of view, 1 enemy=there are 95% chances to not lose
Do you hang your diplomas on military education next to your special education ones?
Joining Nato is the same that giving in to the soviet demands before the second world war. It just gives a foreign nation the permit to push you around.
>>57670763
Because you implied our baby boomer politicians aren't cucked.
NATO isn't a country.
What's wrong with NATO is that Central euros are scared of Russians. Muricans have balls.
>>57670814
>Joining Nato is the same that giving in to the soviet demands before the second world war. It just gives a foreign nation the permit to push you around.
Do not complain then about not being able to defend yourself.
>>57670814
Better just get pushed around by Russians for no benefits?
Although you're wrong anyway.
>>57670935
I am not complaining, I have no belief that Russia would in any traditional military sense attack Finland. It would be a political suicide and send their economy in an even deeper crisis from the bush war fought with the Finns in the forests and cities.
>>57670974
How are we getting pushed around by the Russians?
>>57670768
Who will they fund, the half a dozen old commies who still work for them? This country has never had fewer Russia sympathizers than we do today now that the left-wing has dumped them in favor of multikulti and LBGTism.
>>57671048
>How are we getting pushed around by the Russians?
How we aren't?
>>57671050
Oh you know, those military aged not-army 100% Finns that have been craving a union with Russia that have been in your country for generations!
>>57671078
>oh no I can't come up with a response
>hurf durf just reverse the question!
>>57671080
Show me a one of those and I will buy you a Bic Mac. Double.
>>57669788
>our fucking President (who has no power BESIDES influence on foreign policy and military matters) was outraged to find out that the Americans had invited themselves into this country to hold military exercises
Yeah, actually he can find partners to hold these military exercises in Europe, and it will be okay (without NATO, ofcourse). But he chose another way.
>>57670135
>Your government does shitty things too.
Yes, it is. Like any other country. USA just pretend to be first in this competition with expanding NATO. I hope they will not turn into battleground all the Europe with this decision.
>>57671125
I don't know, it just seemed pretty obvious with the current situation with the Fennovoima nuclear plant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5NZHzjBenI
>>57671218
why would russia attack on us? if you attack finland everyone hates you. no one wants to be hated.
>>57671336
Oh the horror.
>>57671280
Oh, I feel silly now. I forgot about those purely Finnish guys who just happened to find that equipment lying in the middle of the road.
I added one extra burger for you.
>>57669307
>Such scenario won't take place since harm vs gain ratio from such conflict would be awful already.
then WW1 happened
>>57672190
Yeah, because the world was not in any kind different state of politics, technical development, and military doctrines. Not to speak about land borders and ethnic homogeneity of countries.
Nothing unites people like a common enemy
>>57668049
>Russian aggression
Ayy lmao
>>57668615
>Defending yourself is sexist and homophobic
Are all Swedes this stupid? Russia invaded Georgia a few years ago.
>>57672657
Actually Georgia invaded Russia.
>>57672708
Actually it didn't.
>>57671336
>why would russia attack on us?
There is no point. Someone wants to push their own interests across the Finland. Your goverement should stay neutral, that's all.
>>57669788
But you know unlike Russia, America will not conquer your country, we just like to be able to put military bases down and do whatever
>>57668049
> Russian aggression
please stop with that meme
Russia has no reason to attack Finland, and if it did, it'd get bogged down in all the swamps and woods, fighting in the north is not like in te desert.
there's literally no targets in Europe for Russian missiles except for NATO command centers and airfields, and considering that Russia's much weaker, It'd never attacked first even if we were evil commies again or whatever
>>57672795
>America will not conquer your country, we just like to be able to put military bases down and do whatever
Not even an American can possibly be this stupid.
>>57669788
Do you honestly believe Niinistö didn't know or Americans invited themselves?
>>57672873
Russia had no reason the last time either.
>>57672776
>Someone wants to push their own interests across the Finland.
Like Russians?
>>57668049
Ofcourse we could hold Russian aggression.
The real question is how long..
Minutes, hours, days, weeks, months?
>>57672965
Ofcourse, so:
>Your goverement should stay neutral
>>57672927
Get real, we had Stalin. If you remember he never had a reson to murder all those people in Russia too.
>>57672873
Do you always unironically reply to Australian shitposting on a butthurt-belt topic?
We do have a reason. They're not in NATO, we cn grab more Europe. As much as we can to install rockets closer to Poland, Balts and other easier targets in NATO.
>>57673141
>we cn grab more Europe
But why would you, what's the point
Especially Finland, it's not like it was a fertile land or full of oil
>>57672873
Russia is constantly trying to increase its sphere of influence. "Aggression" is not just military stuffs
>>57673062
Which means Russians push their harmful interests here.
what could be the worst outcome of russia invading
hentai banned?
>>57673141
Would've been fun, except Finland isn't closer to Europe than Kaliningrad.
>>57672927
>Show of force to Germany
>Securing Moscow
>Access to north sea cut from Finland
>Dominance of Baltic sea
To list a few reasons.
>>57673110
You have Putin now who says Stalin was right when he attacked Finland.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/putin_winter_war_aimed_at_correcting_border_mistakes/6539940
>>57668049
For what reason would Russia attack Finland now?
And even if it does the loses for us will be massive (and i'm not even sure that Russia would win that battle). We are too poor and our military power is not actually so strong.
All kinds of sanctions and political pressure by almost the whole world will be unbearable.
Also we will lose one of the most important economical partners.
But to be honest i think that you will join nato anyway.
>>57673207
Cute finn boipucci is a valuable resource >:3
>>57673230
We would have to learn russian. Those bastards have like 177 different S letters and the whole damn sentence goes from
"Your mother makes lovely food"
to
"I grave your penis in my mother"
if you accidentally mispronounce
>>57673281
I don't see someone attacking Russia on your list. So no reason.
Why would Russia invade Finland in the first place?
>>57673230
Is hentai banned in Russia??
>>57673339
yeah, thats what my russian mates told me
>>57668906
>Reminder to all that american air force, marines and army are coming to train in Finland this year.
Finland has became officially as nuke target. Congratulation.
>>57673230
Best would be not getting tortured before everyone is genocided. Worst getting tortured for years.
>>57673369
Russians is this true?
(and does it make it hotter knowing it's illegal?)
>>57673207
They have memes and boipucci. It can strenghten rouble.
>>57673384
Russia has no reason to attack. Or should we join NATO to be sure? :^)
>>57673291
he doesn't say anything criminal. If Europe would begin militarizing and Finland's government would be as hostile to Russia as it was in the 30es, perhaps then the question of SPb's vulnerability will become vital again.
Right now, with neutral Finland, there's no threat to Peter. Back then, with fiersly anti-communist Finlad, there was a clear threat, even if most Finns love to deny it.
Russia historically is very afraind of invasion from the West, we're touchy about nations being openly hostile on our borders, especially in the West.
>>57669788
What a load of bullshit. Keep sucking that russian cock even harder.
>>57673417
No and yes. Any drawn por with underage is illegal. There are """experts""" who decide if it's underage or not. Only distribution is illegal thogh.
>there will be no help without Nato membership.
I don't see how this is news.
>>57673458
Planning to bombing Leningrad again buddy?
>>57668049
No one in Finland is afraid of Russia invading Finland.
>>57673417
didn't hear about it
loli stuff is maybe?
>>57673229
How it's possible if you are neutral?
>inb4: annexation by Russia -> liberation by referendum and joining to Russia, etc.
Fantastic.
>>57673336
This. Our land is hell for motorized infantry with all the swamps and lakes. It'd take a large effort to move enough troops needed to invade this country.
There is a reason why even still today only a few roads lead straight to russia and every bridge near the east border has pockets for explosives.
> this thread
PEW PEW PEW PEW
RATATATATATATATA
"oh sorry guys, it's getting late now and mommy is making pancakes for dinner, we can continue playing war tomorrow! "
>>57673505
>threat
The mighty Finnish army would have blown the Russians fuck out. Ayyy lmao.
>anti-communist
Half the parlament was social democrats and other commies.
Russians funded anti-Finnish movements in Finland since 1918. Do you think that makes everyone love Russians?
Is this what they teach in Russian schools?
Serious question: can Finns stand as much alcohol as Russians or is it just an image like teens want to look cool?
>>57673528
>>57673566
oh I'm pretty sure that's illegal in aus too
>>57673540
:-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila
>>57673597
Since you threaten us with violence to get your way.
>>57673556
expect the military command
>>57668049
Source?
>>57668615
Folkförrädare please leave.
>>57673720
Fuck off, yank.
>>57672795
What is Iraq/Libya/Afghanistan?
>>57673737
why mean to my fellow countryman, artyom?
>>57672795
>US army nignog warehouse
>on Finnish clay
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Let's side with Russia instead.
>>57673720
http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/nato-lahde-suomen-hallitukselle-tehty-kristallinkirkkaaksi-ettei-apua-tule-ilman-jasenyytta/724795/
>>57673701
They need to talk up the threat so that their jobs get funding. It's like asking a solar power company whether we need to invest in fighting global warming right now.
>>57668049
Wouldn't an attack on Finland cause other EU countries to go to war which would also drag in Nato?
>>57673651
The threat I was talking about is Finland possibly allying with a hostile power. And yes, back then Finland was anti-Russian and anti-Communist, perhaps for good reason. Right now, Finlad is neutral, it has no targets, threat to Russian cities like St Petersburg would only be real if Europe will be rapidly militarizing. In the 30es, nations were building tanks like candies and threat of war was real
See, people like you remember Winter War like a trauma, 70years later. Imagin being Winter-warred every 30-100 years for a tousand years. That's how Russians generally feel about NATO.
>>57673827
Russians are light skinned nig nogs. What's the difference?
>>57673914
Which countries exactly? Sweden? Germany? UK? Are you forgetting the state that these countries are right now?
>>57673914
If a NATO member enters a war by choice, the rest of the alliance isn't obliged to follow.
>>57670974
Why is it always "you're either with us or against us" ?
Finland and Russia haven't been at war since 1945. Before 2014 there was almost no talk of joining NATO. Now you either join or you're Russian/cuckold.
>>57673822
Don't kill our shitposting, please.
>>57673914
EU would propably help finnish refugees and send food aid.
All the while trying to scare an invasion army with a letter that has been worded in a concerned tone.
Quite much the worst thing that could happen is that EU would stop supplying the Russian federation with staplers and perhaps ballpoint pens
nato's totally not pressuring us to join huh
>>57673933
Finland was Winter Warred or worse (much worse like being nearly wiped out by Peter I) about every 30 years for a thousand years thanks to you and the Swedes.
Ironically the Russian Empire was the first long peace period we had and we could finally develop a bit. But that didn't last.
>>57671336
As the Swedish author Hjalmar Söderberg wrote:
>"One wants to be loved, failing that, admired; failing that, feared, failing that, hated and despised. One wants to instill people with some kind of feeling. The soul shudders at the void and wants contact at any cost."
Russians will never be loved or admired, so they want to be feared and if we will not fear them, then they will make sure we hate them.
>>57672761
Umm?
>Georgia 'started unjustified war'
>The war in Georgia last year was started by a Georgian attack that was not justified by international law, an EU-sponsored report has concluded.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm
>>57673620
they will just nuke you in conventional war.
they wont sent any troops in.
>>57673384
Helsinki has been nuke target for both yanks and ruskies since cold war started
>>57673141
Is that why you guys invaded during the Cold War when you were a superpower?
Surely it'd make more sense to conquer a weak nation when you are strong and surround them, instead of when you are weak and only have one front ?
>>57673933
You were allied with the Germans so that's about it for the foreign threat.
What part you didn't understand that half of the country voted for the light commies? They did wake up from their commie dreams when Russia attacked without a reason though.
Even Stalin thought half of Finland would join the Russian forces. Stalin had no other reasons than the lust for blood and greed for Finland's hydropower, agri and factories.
So the choices are
>get cucked by a world power
or
>maybe get cucked by a world power
I'll take the gamble
>>57674102
They didn't invade Russian soil, mr. drug addict.
>>57673859
I can't read Mongol. You're also not OP so I doubt you have the source.
>>57674047
They're welcoming for your own good. Russia attacked Georgia, Ukraine. Going to attack Balts, Poland, Finland.
>>57674000
Ruskie is a ruskie even if you fry it butter.
>>57674230
you have no choice, it all was made.
>>57674230
>maybe
Hehehe
>>57674230
So NATO it is. Russia is a regional power though.
>>57673859
>no help from NATO unless you join
How is this even news?
>>57674202
I don't understand your question.
>>57674283
Then how exactly did they attack Russian people first?
By your logic America invaded Japan, and Japan did not invade America.
>>57674206
Security of SPb was a very serious consideration however much you want to dismiss it, and If you have ideas about Stalin and Hitler being best buddies, that's only because of your russia=evil tunnel vision
Don't worry Finland. I'll keep you safe.
>>57674164
What do they achieve with nukes?
Why georgia isn't a nuclear wasteland nowadays?
>>57674319
>have foreign soldiers on your soil
>not occupied
pick one
i'd rather take the chance that russia goes mad and nukes the world (us included) than just decide "fuck my shit up" and join the cuckold club aka NATO
>>57674319
Reply to me using proper Russian. I believe you are a proxy.
I've been pursuing your proxy for a month now.
a ты гoвopишь пo pyccки?
>>57674325
What?
>>57674397
You said Russia invades everyone it can to make its "sphere of power" larger.
So why did Russia not invade 1945-present? Why not when Russia was a superpower 1945-1991? Your logic is trash.
>>57674496
If I recall, we fought an impossible war before because we didn't bend over when asked to like Balts. Then it was USSR, now it's NATO.
REEEEEEEEE LEAVE US OUT OF YOUR PLANS!
>>57673329
>Strategic reasons don't count if you aren't immediately under threat from a huge enemy
>>57674456
Georgia wasn't part of a global WW3 alliance retard.
>>57674456
why would they need to sent troops in ?
some finish moron said it is hard to invade cuz of "muh swamps" he actually thinks russian army is like the peasants with 0 experience trained 3 days on a tank and sent to war at the time of soviets.
What Finland needs is nukes and a fuck you I got mine attitude. Sure we'll be a 'pariah state', but a weird non-posturing, democratic one. Don't tread on us.
>NATO is "worried"
>NATO "cares"
Do you think we can't see through this?
>high ranking source
>posts no source
the eternal bluffing anglo is at it again
OK, I'll be serious. If Finland joins, it's another sighn of how serious is the situation for us. Smart government woul start measures to strenghten the economy to make a big strong army with more modern equipment and more advanced nuke defence system. As well as more advanced nukes. We really need to start preparations to WWIII if we want a slightest chance to survive. Everyone here would choose a nuclear apocalypse over becoming a USA's colony and probably slaves/third grade people. Of course we are peaceful and don't hate other nations but if they attack we have no choice. I'd like to have a smart leader who can play with diplomacy, bribes and shiet but old soviet bois can't into big quality games, they're only able to bomb.
>>57674881
>just strengthen the economy brah
>>57674444
but russia is evil, mentally unstable and never to be trusted.
And with the way americans have conducted themselves these last 10 years the US also goes on that shit list.
>>57674881
you really, really think that we would want to attack russia?
'no'
the feeling here is that you want to aggressively expand again
>>57674881
>to make a big strong army with more modern equipment and more advanced nuke defence system
yeah and that's excellent diplomacy brah, lets make the rest of the world even more worried about you
Damn NATO really is starting to look like a second Iron curtain.
>>57675051
>you really, really think that we would want to attack russia?
I am not him but i genuinely think that American government, nato commanders and probably the owners of huge transnational corporations really want it.
American people maybe not (because average Bob and Molly don't give a shit about Russia).
>>57668049
>>Finns on this board ACTUALLY BELIEVE they can hold off Russian aggression without NATO help,
The trick of being a neutral country is to cause enough damage to any invading force to be not worth their time. Being not very interesting from a tactical standpoint helps a lot here as well.
>>57675051
Yeah, and prior to Iraq 2003 there was a feeling that Saddam got WMDs and is responsible for 9/11
Of course as soon as the US would have the capability, finding a reason would be a matter of time, it's, well, sort of statistics, there are very few places you haven't attacked yet, and very few countries are treated as hostile as Russia by your state department people
>>57674444
>russia=evil tunnel vision
That's not tunnel vision. That's just vision. Anyone with eyes can see that Russia=evil.
>>57675051
>>57675058
It's not our problem if somebody is fool enough to be worried about some country that is fixing it's problems (we still have many down sides in our defence and need a bigger stronger army). Russia didn't attack anyone since... 60s? I don't remember when communists made that small parade in Czechia. Really no reason to worry to anyone. We only aid other guys like it was in Georgia and now in Ukraine. Nobody in Finland would invite us like that. I know you don't believe because westerners don't think, only listen to propaganda and fear. Especially funny that it's American propaganda and America is the #1 agressor in the world since Hitler. A sad situation. But we gonna fight back till the last Russian. Like it's said: "Russians never give up". Better death with honor that loose your soul to a tyranic state (no offense to people of USA).
>>57675004
Never say never,
but right I wouldn't be trusting this Moscow government in the slightest, I would sooner count on their reliable treacherousness.
I wouldn't call the USA evil relatively considering but you could throw out the current federal administration and I would be saying djenkuje bardzo.
>>57675291
>i genuinely think that American government, nato commanders and probably the owners of huge transnational corporations really want it.
You are insane.
>>57675340
theres a difference between fucking w/ some shithole and attacking 1 of the 2 countries that would start ww3... as for capability, what capability, capability for both of us to get vaporized by nukes? sounds like a good time ppl will definitely profit from that
>>57675291
more than not giving a shit about russia, ppls here are very against another war after afghanistan and iraq quagmires.
>>57668049
They actually can
>>57675429
that is why i find it so strange that russian people are always so quick to bring up propaganda
>>57675362
>Anyone with eyes can see that Russia=evil by watching Holywood action movies with evil ruskies and reading Western press.
>>57675477
>killing peasants en mass
>wow brave finish soldiers
everybody knew soviet soldiers wernt trained enough
>>57675429
ur being naive, sven
>>57675453
come now, say Russia does nothing and continues to ignore ABM sites in europe and whatever breakthrough in drones and stealh US makes spending trillions of dollars. I'd give it 20 years at most till the US could track and be reasonably certain it can near instantly destroy most current tech Russian nukes and intercept the rest
one the US has that, Russia is toest, because fighting that safe and limited war would mean still trillions in defence industry spending and a few hundred thousadn jobs, plus a chance for re-election for 47th of whatever POTUS
be reasonable, Russia has to spend its meager money ans reaise political hell just so it doesn't get Iraq'ed in a not-so distant future.
>>57675601
Yea and we had a super-elite(tm) peasant army
>>57670907
>Muricans have balls.
C U C K
U
C
K
>>57675659
>once the US has that, Russia is toast
forgve bad english, I am Russia
>>57675601
Jughashvili used russians from south regions as cannon fodder, but finns were just defending their land, they had no chouce
>>57675601
oh my sides, look who's talking
>Killing unarmed civilians en mass
>brave arnay soldiers
kek, germans on int are pure goldmine
>>57675601
If they were trained at all that's generally more training than Finns had. My grandfather was made an officer on the first days and given a company to command because they ran out of officers and he was the one who showed up with his own rifle and a book on military.
>>57675659
youre allowed to think that but man i am laughing
i thought that we were the country that needed a main enemy to keep going but turns out it's actually russia
>>57675601
>his capital was occupied by poor peasants
>>57670907
>Muricans have balls.
>>57670907
Half the posts in this thread seem to have little appreciation for the fact that Finland has an immediate land border with the Russian federation state.
That bends many of the things that people even think in countries with that neighbor.
Yes Russia meddles and they have not shown that they respect the 'national border' concept when it comes to many a smaller nation adjacent to them.
>>57675745
LOL
>>57675745
>ho showed up with his own rifle and a book on military
>>57675540
>it's all US propaganda
No, it fucking isn't. Just look at your history, your people and your leader: You're an evil empire populated by orcs an ruled by a bond villain. You are enemies of humanity.
>>57675601
>it's that one butthurt turko-german in every finland thread
you seem to have infinite free time
>>57675607
The US is not going to attack Russia, ryssvän.
>>57675822
not realy.
they just dont like you.
>>57674200
This.
>b-but MUH NUKES!!!!!
>>57675822
>implying there is a difference between a East-Ukrainian and a Russia person
That's why and where you start using that
>muh respect of the 'national borders'
>>57672965
Here you have the Russian flag plainly telling you to stay neutral. The grammatical construction on this post is a direct command so why would Finland disobey this instruction from Russia - -
>>57675957
I guess that warmongering with the "russian threat" is pretty bad in Sweden nowadays...
NATO IS FOR KEKCOUNTRIES
>>57676206
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>>57672927
Guilty parties regularly say '...but, everyone else was also doing the same misdeed.' except Stalin says, 'but I was murdering all the other nationalities too indifferently including Russians' so what a fine excuse.
The Russian flag posted "GET REAL" they had Stalin. Well, yeah get real Russia is an aggressor now as usual and their presence with armaments is a threat.
Get Real they say yes get real.
>>57675659
Why do Russians think they need to compete with the West? Russia shares a lot more history and culture with Europe than Turkey for instance? Why are you so tsun-tsun?
Keep sucking that russian cock even harder "finnish" putin shills
>>57670402
>Guatemala
Monroe doctrine
>>57675878
>Look at at the history, everybody dindunufin exept Russia. USA is our friends, not you, okay?
>t. Johan Akhmdedscockinthebuttson
Wew, lad, how brainwashed you are
>>57673998
The EU may involve a treaty obligation as square as the NATO treaty. The EU is not quite the Unites States of Europe but they are like half way there, and so an attack on such a state is going to obligate the other states.
Not a choice then.
>>57674283
dimwits have bought in to this Russian fabrication, "Georgia attacked Russian people therefore how was it not on Russian soil" SHILL
>>57674437
You could not be a better advocate for Russian territorial aggression than this. Not even if you were a Russian agent.
>>57674525
The future assertion is yet unproven.
Recent-Russia attacked Georgia and Ukraine.
In the USA Russians have been to Plymouth, MA and Saint Paul, MN.
Where are you, possibly New York?
(I am someone else here, not your Russian flagger.)
>>57670768
don't forget the russians 'volunteers'
Thanks for reminding me how fucking much I hate everyone and everything y'all.
Could all you yanks and ruskies just take your respective lapdogs and hop into an active volcano or something and just leave us alone?
>>57675741
You changed the words of the poster you are quoting, he said 'killing peasants'(soldiers) not your 'killing unarmed civilians.')
>>57676022
So the Russian-Ukrainian border once set at the dissolution of the USSR is not a good valid international border hm?
and which other borders do not count for crap?
Putin says 'anywhere that Russians are located' or something like that, are you telling me that is the international system?
Georgia fought back and lost.
>>57677907
Are you joking? Of course that border not a good valid border.
>>57675340
Saddam did have WMDs but GRU moved them out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_conjecture_in_the_aftermath_of_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Alleged_Russian_involvement
>>57678594
Well, well. That is called "of course" so then let's go for the second question. If I cannot use publicly announced published national border lines as borders can you give me a list of which other border are also just smoke and mirrors or should I assume that is all the borders around a couple of regions?
>>57674444
>Security of Russia was threatened by the 32 Finnish Renault FT-17s without sights
I know we Finns are world wide know for being cold blooded big dicked IQ 185 nothing but muscle 6 feet 3 inches swift silent and deadly killers but come on.
Leningrad's security wasn't at risk no matter how much you spin this. Nobody attacked Russia. Russia attacked without reason.
Finland has nothing to fear. Russia knows that if anything should have, we shall write them a very stern letter.
>>57669592
except it's the other way around: Russia is butthurt when ever the Eastern military district holds exercises, calling them a provokation, when Russia holds exercises near the border and we remind you about how you react to our exercises the excuse you give is "totally different because USA! Russia is threatened! Russia will defend herself!"
>>57675816
Look at other central Euros when they are asked would they defend their neighbours against Russia. Those pussies say no because they are scared shittless. Americans don't fear shit just like Finns.
>>57678776
There are border disagreements all over the world, I'm not going to list them all. The Ukraine border is only ~25 years old and east Ukraine is full of Russians who speak Russian and want to be a part of Russia. What are your thoughts on Crimea? Who should it belong to?
>>57679030
People transfers done during occupation are illegal. That's why you all lefties here bitch about Israel too.
>trusting russia
that's like trusting a faggot not to fuck you in the ass.
>>57673505
>Finland's government would be as hostile to Russia as it was in the 30es
lolwut
>with fiersly anti-communist Finlad, there was a clear threat
yeah we had a lot of communists locked up in "Tammisaari Red Academy" and for a brief period in early '30s we had a right-wing radical movement harassing socialists & sometimes kidnapping them and taking them to the Soviet border & forcing them to cross, but aside from some individuals' wet dreams about Greater Finland, we just wanted to live our lives in peace.
>>57678872
Thank you
>>57679030
So if a border is disagreed, then this national activity to work with ethnic advocates and defend them across a border is an 'of course' activity not a cause for just accusation and action.
Crimea - it was a crime by current Russia that is what I am certain.
Who it should belong to, ask theorists they would say seized territory should return to the same power it came from and the Russian 'military base voted to be Russian' does not count. Personally I think a transition back through independence, I mean real independence could be something to consider. My real concern is what the Russian state does wrong particularly outside of their territory and they keep wrongdoing it too.
>>57678872
Could Swedish grills send us perfumed to letters to the front too?
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>>57679093
Admittedly we have a bunch of consistency problems. If the state has any capital law powers (and I think a state must have that) then how can they not be allowed to expulse people considering that it is less than capital punishment - but our late 20th Century rulebooks say no, states must accept ethnic divergence until the state is shattered.
No good conclusion has been found.
>>57679675
Crimeans don't want independance, they want to be part of Russia. If it were fairly democratic that's what they'd vote. But ukraine and the west would never allow that sort of democracy to happen, because it would lose them territory. Russia had every right to take that territory
Ukraine border is similar situation but much more violent and complicated
Finland will join NATO. We're just waiting for the right moment. All is good. I'm not even kidding.
>>57668049
>Russian aggression
Russian aggresion has no reason to happen without NATO "help".
>>57673218
Russia is constantly trying only to preserve its sphere of influence.
>>57680084
Consistency problem you have with that there.
"Russia had every right" except in law, in international law, in the cultural community of nations, or a good just cause they do not have.
This >>57679830
I think I may go do something IRL about now.
>>57668049
>What's the real reason they don't want to join?
Russia.
>>57680303
National border claims are an accepted need and every nation has national border claims.
Sphere of influence claims are like a second national border ghost that sticks out in other territories, and that is not a very good conceptual construct since the sphere of influence ghosts can overlap so much more easily than do border lines for each country.
>>57668049
>Russian aggression.
Why((((
Why the fuck do you think Russia needs somethings in Finland?
>>57680232
Everywhere around their borders now and for centuries past and with the current government, with the United Soviet Socialist Republic and with the Czar. We have to remove their reason and let them have no motivating reason?
Russia will have to cut it out and get out of Georgia and the Ukraine.
if you actually believe the international community would just sit and watch while a EU country gets attacked you're fucking dumb
NATO
Don't join: Be not a priority target, but receive no backup if attacked regardless.
Join: Backup available, but become a priority target.
>>57680757
Let's add the possibility of ending up as a playground for both of them, if stayed neutral.
>>57680634
I know you need to plunder cute Finn boys
>>57680479
true
but we need a buffer from the west, Russia always had to have one
consider that Russia is unique in terms of military threats along its long borders, and if it will tolerate hostile behavior alond some small part of our border, we'll have all of the world's unstable regimes and powerful countries knowing messing with Russia is something you can get away with. Don't want to think of the world where China, Iran, North Korea and Mideastern terrorists all of whom we border have that idea
>>57673540
"again"? in 1941 Finnish Army had explicit orders not to advance beyond pre-1940 borders, and during the course of whole war the Finnish Air Force had absolute orders to never fly anywhere near Leningrad, partially to spare equipment, but also to avoid provoking the Soviets when the Finnish fronts were relatively calm.
>>57680634
Russian behavior on the geo-political arena is not determined by anything rational. Russia could just as easily nibble a part of Finland and invent a reason post-factum as proofs of why it absolutely had to be done. Nothing strange in it.
>>57680909
>but we need a buffer from the west,
Just transfer Capital little eastward. Anyway Moscow is hyper-puper-developed, Kazakhstan already did it and all okay.
Don't worry Finland, we'll help you this time. So now you'll be able to enjoy your country for another week or so.
>>57680852
That's a possibility in every scenario
>>57681185
Wanna guess what happens if Finland falls completely?
>>57680956
CIA triggered both Georgia and Ukraine, sadly
>>57681358
1809 all over again
>>57680909
>consider that Russia is unique in terms of military threats along its long borders
so of course the most logical choise is to bully one's neighbors until they join NATO
>>57681429
5,5 million Finns will move to Sweden.
Imagine the amount of :------DDDDDDs
>>57680739
Does the EU have a separate military pact?
>>57681497
It's preferable over shitskins anyday
>>57681542
Members are obligated to defend one another if one is attacked, though in what way is up to each member state. But obviously, nobody would just sit and watch while Finland gets invaded.
>>57681497
Sweden will be Finnished :-DDDDDD
>>57681598
Realism anon, apply it. Everyone will do just that. Sit back and watch as Finland burns.
>>57681709
The bigger issue is that it would be the end of EU. EU would mean nothing anymore if the member states so clearly showed they don't give a shit about each other
And besides, you can't be so fucking scared of russia. They're weak as fuck compared to the combined might of europe. And they won't nuke because then US would retaliate and everyone's dead.
>>57681709
Estonian military might go apeshit, yelling "airspace violation!" the minute Russki transport planes in Pskov start taking off to drop some "green men" in my area...
>Russian aggression
This is a terrible scaremongering meme used by the politicians to distract the population from actual, non-hypothetical, ongoing problems within the country. Unlike Finland, Baltic countries are already in NATO, but our politicians STILL use this meme.
>>57681865
>Unlike Finland, Baltic countries are already in NATO, but our politicians STILL use this meme.
That's the funny thing here...
>>57681818
Yeah, I'd assume combined forces of France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Sweden, Finland etc should be big enough deterrent for Russia
>>57681818
Combined being the important part here. No offense, but I have my doubts about few of the biggest militaries in EU moving their gear up north. Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and France have lot of gear.
>>57668049
They plan to side with the Russians obviously
