Who was right in this war ?
Georgia should annex then ethnically cleanse the Muslim pseudo states.
>>57631874
seriously, georgia needs a new stalin
ur mum was
>>57632497
borges would be proud che
>>57632592
ur mum is proud every night
>>57631801
russia is always wrong
>>57632655
Russia ofc
>>57632592
Great maestro
Sons of sarmatians stole Georgian clay.
If you into freedom of nations and worldwide gommunizm - support them
Otherwise pro-western Georgians take back their lands... And.. and... And that's all.
Personally I supporting Georgians,because we're in same boat now and always been a friends.
>>57631801
we. just niggers come and stole our clay. we need only week to remove those niggers, but Russia supports niggongs
UN declared georgia attacked first :)
>>57633875
Georgia can't attack it's own territory fucktard
>>57631801
Well it started in the 90's when those two provinces chimped out and tried breaking free from Georgia. They ended up cleansing the place of Georgians.
On the other hand they were never really Georgian to begin with
>>57631801
The winner
>>57633979
Then you first attacked your own citizens :) :) :)
>>57631801
Why is there a US state in Caucasus?
>>57631801
whatever Russia does, it's always in the wrong. never forget never forgive
>>57634035
>Then you first attacked your own citizens
why does Russia care about our citizens then ?
>>57634183
we r gud gauys
>>57631801
Poland
>>57631801
>This happens back on the day of the Olympics
>at the opening ceremony Putin and Bush are shown calmly discussing the situation
>US reigns itself back as it's not our backyard
>>57634183
Same reason t*tks care about cypriots
Russia
georgia lost abkhazia in 1993
not 2008
>>57634183
Too bad you guys kicked Misha out. Now your country is run by cucks.
>>57635120
Independent Gergia actually have never had nor Abkhazia neither South Ossetia.
Georgia of course. It's like the situation Russia had with Chechnya, but vatnik double standards come in play here, same way as they did in Transnistria or right now in Ukraine.
is it true all the ...villis and ...nadzes will one day fight a bloody civil war completely wiping out one of the two?
>>57637364
Didn't that already happen though?
>>57637423
which are you, also who won? and is there any specific meaning for either ending?
>>57632706
Russia is the wrongest of wrongs.
The 'South Ossetia' shit they made up like since maybe 1980 was it?
While the Russians are wrong,
Abkhazia also was appended to Georgia
later than you think and I would rather see Abkhazia go free (which is not to say that going to Russia has been freeing people.)
>>57637478
My surnames ends in -ia since I'm Mingrelian. The Kremlin-supported bandits won the civil war and deposed a democratically-elected government, after which the country plunged into chaos until the rose revolution.
-shvili means child, -dze means son. -ia doesn't mean anything as far as I know
>>57634183
> snipe UN-appointed Russian peacekeepers
> expect mercy
What the fuck Levan
>>57634003
No my fellow American, there was flat nothing going on there when Georgia proposed building a natural gas pipeline; Russia did not like that.
like I posted above, Abkhazia was a late appendment to Georgia.
The rest of Georgia though has been Georgia a long time man.
Of what Russian victim will I say that they were not really of their nationality, it is a doctrine of the Marxists to cancel nationality but that sure does not make it sensible or square.
>>57637789
no conflict of interest in a country being peacekeepers between people it gave citizenship and foreigners then?
IF YOU SCRATCH A RUSSIAN YOU'LL FIND A TATAR
XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
>>57634183
How about Russia cares about her agents and supporters and collaborators.
The general problem of jurisdiction globally is not an easy problem, but Russia and Georgia are a plain case of international cross-border bullying.
>>57637086
blah you say that
and, the Polish military officers were never alive.
They were shot after they had coincidentally died, they were born dead stillborn in fact
>>57631801
georgia
frankly in the caucasus abkhazians, ossetians and armenians are asking to get genocided with their actions
russia won't be there forever to protect them, they only have 25 years of oil left
before then they better have fixed their issues with georgia and azerbaijan or its the rope for them desu
>>57631801
A winner!
>>57637086
>gommies give autonomy to abkhazia and ossetia
>gommies give crimea to ukraine
>russia has right to take back crimea
>georgia has not
>get shelled by separatists with weapons ever so generously provided to them by our kind northern neighbours
>both the separatists and russians refuse to negotiate
>send in the massively underarmed and underprepared military to establish peace on sovereign georgian land
>yet again, our brotherly northern neighbours spread their propaganda about eebul georgians genociding peaceful ossetians for no reason
>get invaded and bombed into oblivion
The end.
>>57638178
but that's true
Abkhazia and SO were parts of Soviet Georgia but after the collapse of USSR they actually declared independece so georgians have no rights to those lands. However, it's always easier to blame ebil russkies.
>>57631801
Georgia tried to start a nuclear war with USA and Russia by involving NATO.
>>57634183
Why did the USA intervene in Serbia then? None of their fucking business.
Why Kosovo should be free and most of Western countries recognize its indepence but Abkhazia and Ossetia can't?
The US and its supporters are the most hypocritical fucking
things ever kek. Supports the "territorial integrity" of Georgia yet did the same to
Serbia, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc, you name it.
Someone is being treated badly which justifies "humanitarian intervention" and invasion. Repeat.
>>57638468
Evil russkies, again.
Actally I would be happy if Crimea stayed ukranian and ukranian crisis never happened.
But my point still remains - only the people of Abkhazia and SO can decide if they fate.
>>57638666
Except that russia has been pulling the breakaway region shit since before Kosovo.
>>57631801
Russians with their band of state sponsored mountain niggers
Long live Georgia
>>57631801
Georgia was a bad guys. We should liberate them more.
>>57638666
Kosovo shouldn't be independent. Neither should Ossetia and Abkhazia
>>57631874
>Muslim
American education, everyone.
>>57638753
We fucking saved world from nuklear war dumb ass.
>>57637671
>Mingrelian.
Are you Armenian?
>>57638829
This.
2008 was a revenge for Kosovo. Russia wanted to show the West that it was capable to defeat a Western-trained, Western-equipped professional army, and it did.
Also, Abkhazians are god tier at ethnic cleansing.
>>57638873
MUSCOVIANS. CURSED MUSCOVIANS
>>57638956
Nuclear holocost mahfucka.
>>57638696
Every nation has a right to self-determination. But when you take up arms and begin to kill people, you lose your right to that. If they wanted to vote for independence, they should've done so in a civilized manner, like it happened in Catalonia or Scotland.
Besides, didn't Chechens have the right to decide their fate back in the 90's? What a beautiful example of hypocrisy that is.
>>57638873
you brought the world on the brink of nuklear war the first place so not much of an accomplishment
>>57638829
I support nations' self determanition unless that country is backed by Western powers and is their proxy like Kosovo is.
>>57639043
No fucking choice. Nuclear peace or genocidal wars to the last man on Earth.
>>57634329
>dumbshit
>>57638845
>Georgia should annex then ethnically cleanse the Muslim pseudo states
How fucking stupid are you where an AMERICAN who was educated in AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOLS has to educate you about GEOGRAPHY of all things? Seriously do you aspire to be an idiot or did it just kind of happen
>>57638890
I just said I'm Mingrelian, you poopoo head
>>57639108
yeah thanks for not being absolute fucking psychopaths
>>57639053
>Erm*ni
>>57638666
janitoryan how much do they pay you to be a putinbot
>>57639041
> like it happened in Catalonia
kek, we actually convinced the world that we respect democratic principles
I thought I would never say this but good job Rajoy
>>57631874
Georgia and Azeris are bros tho
>>57639173
Yeah!
>>57639053
Kosovo isn't a nation. It's a bunch of Albanians in what was Serbia. Imagine in 10 years Arabs claiming parts of Europe to be independent Arabic states. However, I think such separatism is fine is an ethnic minority is threatened by the state they're in, which was probably true for Kosovo Albanians.
>>57639206
That's a meme. We just have good political relations because they sell us cheap oil.
>>57639041
>they should've done so in a civilized manner
Did you give them that chance? Gamsakhurdia, remember that guy?
>Besides, didn't Chechens have the right to decide their fate back in the 90's? What a beautiful example of hypocrisy that is.
You should blame that faggot Yeltsin who started chechen wars, not russians in general. Actually, I (many sane russian) wouldn't like to see Checnya being a part of Russia at all.
>>57639202
Kek it's funny how you get occused of getting paid once you say something against the US/NATO
>>57639229
Agree. Hmmm. What do you think about Syria's Kurdistan then?
>>57639324
>Gamsakhurdia, remember that guy?
Tell me, exactly what do you think he did?
>>57639242
You both dislike armos and russians , am I wrong ?
>>57639053
who is a good boy?
yes you are! yes you are!
now off to the syrian desert with you and your opinions
>>57639358
I don't know much about the position of Kurds in Syria, Turkey and wherever else they are, so I don't really have much of an opinion.
>>57639460
Didn du nuffing wrong, definitely.
>this thread
>>57639483
We dislike or are neutral to basically everyone in the region.
Personally, I think Circassians are nice but most people here don't really care/know about them much.
The people that we really identify with are Ukrainians and the Polish.
>>57639612
Are you that guy whose ancestors were Timariot Sipahis from Anatolia ?
I remember that guy but he has been missing for couple months now
>>57639722
You'd go hand in hand with Croats then...
>>57631801
Kartvelia is rightful Nakh territory.
>>57639832
Yes
>Are you that guy whose ancestors were Timariot Sipahis from Anatolia ?
>An*tolia
It's Bursa
>>57639961
Bursa is in Anatolia you silly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls0fTk9HZ-c
skip to 1:14
>>57631801
Japan
>>57639202
T*rk
>>57638468
I think the lack of merit of the Russian arguments is below the level of dialogue.
You don't need to debate a Russian flag on this site to convince me, I have seen enough.
>>57639859
I do like Croatia. I would love to visit your qt castles one day. I've recently finished my campaign in CK2 where I conquered the entire Balkans with Kingdom of Croatia. No homo, though.
>>57639596
I'm serious. I really wonder what kind of information you're being fed in there.
>>57640023
P.S ne yazık ki biliyorum
>>57640154
>am*ricunt
>>57640277
mfw slovene was right and we are turk scum
>>57640215
>you're being fed in there.
You're pathetic t b h.
>>57640215
I discovered more about Georgia through your music. Reminded me of our "haiduk", mountainous brigand music. I like your country
>>57640356
Tur(d)k
>>57639961
>timariot sipahi
nigger that shit ended in like 17th century there is no possible way you have traced your ancestry to that date
not with ottoman records at least
>>57640389
Nisam Turčin, majke mi. Učim turski onako
>>57639035
; Russia threatening Croatia ...... ;
>>57640456
>mfw a creature made of grease and fat replies to me
>>57640418
Are you denying the fact that most Russians today live in a huge informational bubble enforced by the state?
>>57640456
Turks>>>>>>Armenians, though.
But both are fucking churkas, yes.
>>57639143
I also took your post as a reference to the territories relevant to the thread,
so maybe you were unclear before with that.
>>57640518
Timariots were abolished at the beginning of the 19th century. Between that period changing many forms and duties. I can trace them in Herzegovina three hundred years back, because they had an estate there
>>57640530
>>57640733
you need to get šubić'd
>>57640588
How do you know about me? And how can I be sure you're not living in "a huge informational bubble" created by western media then?
>>57640608
Nah, I guess Turks = Armenians, but there were much more armenians who gave something good to the world: musicians, scientists, etc. Turks gave nothing but kebab.
>>57640915
Turks do not have any fucking diaspora in Russia. This makes them way much better for me.
There are more fucking Armenians in Russia than in fucking Armenia itself.
>>57640608
t. Sedat Butifel-Durmuslar
>>57640998
Do azeris count as turks? Doubt there is difference between them except azeris speak russian.
>>57641172
They do call theirself Turk so I guess they do count as one of us
>>57641086
Haхyй пoшёл.
>>57641172
Nah they dont. And they are not the same in appearance.
I also support azeris more than armenians. But anyway,
>types of shit
>>57640898
Alright, I will for once concur that neither of our media oceans is clean and it may be an unavoidable tendency of the press to always be susceptible to slant and bias. That is a reason why the press should not be an official office or position.
But I far, far prefer the media wash of the western democracies to the dirtier little pool of Russian media though.
>>57640898
I can only judge you based on our short conversation, and so far everything you have said has been barely comparable with MY informational bubble, if you want to call it that.
Now answer the question, Russkie.
>>57631801
Russia
>September 2009 - A report from an EU fact-finding mission determines that the 2008 conflict was caused by Georgia's illegal attack on the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali on August 7-8.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/2008-georgia-russia-conflict/
>>57631801
Russia was attacked first and georgian leader actually said "they are waiting for ruski with guns".
Well too bad they didn't had AA guns , now they're a fucking joke know worldwide.
>>57638752
Russia was a total shithole with no foreign policy, let alone government 1992-2000.
Ignoring the fact Akhzahians and Ossetians hate Georgians and rebelled and gained de-facto independence in 1991 is absurd.
>>57641568
Winner always right.
>>57640588
>germany
>sweden
>good situation
lmao pham nice map
>>57641392
and then from under my American flag, it's
"Screw the EU fact-finding mission, then."
This hit, lent zero credibility to the Russian aggressor position and also it cost credibility
with me from the EU. I will increasingly think
that an EU fact-finding mission may bend to a position that suits Russian proclivities.
>>57639202
>Armenia shows up
>Turk flips shit and spergs out
Like clockwork
>>57641367
You are a tie joke after that story.
>>57641714
nah , defenders are mostly in good position , because they literally were dindu nuffin.
Invaders are only justified when they actually conquers.
>>57641723
You didn't see the Panama papers investigated and published by American media.
>>57641738
???
>>57641979
Says the colonial empire.
>>57641677
Your firmly stated fact as to Ossetians buttresses something that is just a construct of the Russian state and a recent such construct at that.
A 'fact of hatred,' can we remake national borders with such a thing? Because then there may be many other rules that fall by the wayside.
>Georgia 'started unjustified war'
>The war in Georgia last year was started by a Georgian attack that was not justified by international law, an EU-sponsored report has concluded.
>However, the attack followed months of provocation, and both sides violated international law, the report said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm
So Russia was right. Funny how after 8 years the facts get twisted and Russia "invaded" Georgia.
Doesn't help that they chimped out in Ukraine 2014.
>>57641392
Lies of Putin's propaganda, let me show you pure truth allowed for your region:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Days_of_War
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1486193/
Enjoy.
>>57642111
I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying.
Abkhazians and South Ossetians don't consider themselves Georgian. It's just like Nagorno-Karabakh where Armenians were put under de-jure Azeri control.
When new countries are made they should have self-determination, and no post-Soviet shithole had that, let alone democracy.
>>57632592
borges made jokes like those too (but better)
>>57642299
Just because Georgians and the West have propaganda, doesn't make Russia and China's better.
There's people in America who don't eat up the propaganda so easily. Remember that, and you should do the same.
>>57641995
Your question marks are terribly general.
What you do not understand may be that I do not believe in this Russian construct of 'South Ossetia' any, at all. I hold that it 'South Ossetia' was created by a Russian cartoonist to interfere with Georgia's gas pipeline project.
So when the EU fact finding mission amazingly finds facts that South Ossetia was an ancient classic independent Russian city-state, or whatever they think they found, I flat out do not accept their finding.
What about their little blue ribbon button that makes their finding true? No.
or, you had some other question.
>>57642299
This. The real story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiTrcnsgmVQ
>>57642412
>Remember that, and you should do the same.
I like people who give advice despite nobody asked them about it.
>>57642439
Me on 0:02
>>57642635
I watch the movie. Pretty funny))))))))
>>57642437
Are you an immigrant?
I can barely understand your english.
South Ossetia is most definitely a real place with real people who consider themselved brethren with North Ossetia (in Russia).
This isn't up for debate. What is up for debate is if it is Russian or Georgian.
>>57642306
So it seems to me that you have well internalized the Russian state lie on this matter into your perspective of the world. By repeating this process, Russia could take over half of Europe and you will not recognize the hand of the Russian state. You can't even fathom dissent, disagreement on this.
and if a panel of the EU is like you in this respect, blind to the point of view that Russia is an aggressor there, I will believe the EU less just like I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU.
I do not believe the very identity of "South Ossetian" existed a short time ago.
>>57642574
I'm pretty pro-Russian.
But Russians find an enemy in everyone who isn't Russian.
Don't be so quick to judge. Not everyone hates you guys. This is 4chan.
>>mfw Shermanovsky marched to the black sea and rightly put down a rebelling southern province
>>57642696
Join army, m8. Lets have fun.
>>57642439
Damn, where is the moment when Russian soldier steals children's bicycle? That was GENERALLY A CANNON in this film.
>>57642733
Well you figure that this debate is controlled by conceptual boundaries. The Russian state has constructed and fabricated the framework for thought, which you tell me there can be no debate directed at that framework.
I am less than 60 years old but I am quite a bit older than South Ossetia ever has been.
There is a real place, there in Georgia.
It is just another part of Georgia, which Russia has taken a sort of "bite mark" out of.
South Ossetia is a Russian fraud, it is nonsense and it is a discredit to the EU not to recognize Georgia's position.
I do not see that I have coined any new words on this thread. Just that I posted my own material, not parroting anything or anyone else that is all.
>Crimeans can't decide their fate because they want to join Russia.
>Osetians and abkhazians can't decide their fate because they don't want to return back to Georgia
How do you guys even live with such brain disfunction?
>>57643658
I consider it a fact that we nations all have an unresolved problem with the matter of keeping national forces and units in our own territory, absolutely no matter what situation call us to intervene.
We should fear, that this principled idea is not true. Then when we accept that it is not true, a lot stands to give way if you think it over.
