Why does Japanese sounds so different from the rest of the Asian languages? There aren't any other ones that have a similar pronounce to it. What language family does Japanese even belong to?
>>57591022
It's because, as an island language Japanese has some similarities with languages like Hawaiian and Polynesian as well in that they connect vowels to each syllable
such as ha ka na ta... etc
this makes it sound different since other asian languages do not do this
>>57591522
this is true Maori and japanese are pronounced the same, and maori could be written in japanese script quite easily, it's a shame they don't use it desu it would solve all the pronunciation errors.
e.g. Maori=Maaaouree
or in japanese Ma- Ou Ri-
Because we came from the Mars.
>>57591022
It's more about the accent than anything, desu.
Korean doesn't really sound that different and even tagalog if spoken without all those crappy spanish and english loan-words has that has a phonetic system similar to the japanese one. I think that south-east asian languages were heavily influenced by indian languages though, that's probably why they do have some consonants at the end of the words, unlike eastern austronesian languages. I might be wrong though.
>>57591522
Hawaiian and Polynesian are strictly related with Tagalog and Malay though.
>>57591952
The Korean language sounds and works quite different from Japanese
>>57592008
Dunno about the grammar, but phonetically speaking, nah, not really. The biggest difference is that korean has more vowels than japanese, but the rest of the phonemes are common between the two (Apart from tsu-chu and maybe a few others).
>>57592205
Korean sounds mostly like Chinese with a few small differences.
Let It Go - Behind The Mic Multi-Language Version (from "Frozen")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS0T8Cd4UhA
>>57591795
Yeah Maori words sounds pretty similar to Japanese despite being in a totally different language family
>>57592489
>Korean sounds mostly like Chinese with a few small differences.
Are you deaf?
>>57591022
Isn't Mongol similar to ours?
Mongolian people speak Japanese very naturally.
I've heard theories that Japanese is distantly related to Korean. Unfortunately those possible links were exploited by Japan to justify annexing Korea, like the British used English and Hindi being Indo-European language to justify colonizing India.
http://www.translationdirectory.com/article527.htm
>>57594097
No just a monkey
>>57592008
The language works very differently when you get down to studying it formally, but on the surface, Korean and Japanese are very similar, like English and French. Colloquial grammar and pronunciation are easy as shit for Koreans.
t. fluent Korean speaker
"Arigato" sounds much like "obrigado" to me. Which was obviously borrowed from portuguese.
ore wa no chinchin daisuke des
>>57595082
Arigato(有り難う) is Buddhism word though
>>57591022
It sounds like Korean.
>>57595082
too much vodka ivan
Korean sounds like Japanese to me, except spoken by a drunk with a speech impediment.
>What language family does Japanese even belong to?
The Japonic language family. Its only known relatives are the Ryukyuan languages.
However, it has been heavily influenced by Chinese, similar to English's influence by Latin.
>>57595082
Factually and demonstrably wrong to the point that I don't know why people keep repeating it. This myth is stupid. Why would the Japanese take their word for "thank you" from a culture they considered smelly and barbaric?
>From ありがたく (arigataku), the adverbial form of Old Japanese adjective ありがたし (arigatashi, modern ありがたい, arigatai),[1][2][3] from 有り (ari, “the 連用形 (ren'yōkei, “continuative or stem form”) of verb 有る aru}, “to exist, to be””) + 難し (katashi, “hard, difficult”, 難い katai in modern Japanese).[1][2][3] The katashi changes to gatashi due to rendaku (連濁).
>Any resemblance to Portuguese obrigado (“thank you”) is purely coincidental. The Portuguese arrived in Japan in 1543, well more than a century after citations expressing gratitude are found.
>>57594097
>>57594920
>>57595339
Japanese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzzweIQoIOU&nohtml5
Korean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnEoJXGdLMM
Mandarin Chinese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3UWrgSoIxQ
Korean is clearly closer to Chinese than Japanese in terms of pronounce.
>>57595611
Are you deaf?
>>57591022
Best Asian language to my ears ranking:
1) Japanese (By a long shot)
2) Korean
BIG GAP
3) Filipino
4) Malay/bahasa
5) All Chinese Languages
BIG GAP
6) Thai/Vietnamese( fucking disgusting)
gook sounds like chink to someone who's studied or know neither of them.
it makes sense though, since gook is a chink rapechild
Chinese words has too many consonants for me
In Japanese , Vowel:consonant=1:1
And there is not consonant in word-final position
Only exception is ‘n’
>>57595759
filipinos sound like cancer
>>57594307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_0vYxE_KmA&nohtml5=False
>>57595913
You use S in final position though, です
>>57595510
>I don't know why people keep repeating it.
I didn't know it's been that much "repeated", I had a thought about it just recently and it struck me how similar those two words sound, in a fun kind of way.
>>57595917
Its bad(sounds like some Autistic Chink and spanish mixed together) but the other asian language are worse.
The Chinese always feels like they are trying to yell at you
Vietnamese and Thai are the real reason why people say Asians sounds ching chong (Not the chinese) their language is full of ching chang chong sounding words.
>>57595970
qt gril
>>57596077
Desu……
>>57596077
The mouth still forms the u, the vocal chords just don't vibrate.
>>57596102
It's a very commonly repeated myth.
>>57596077
そうっす
カック人の言った通りっす
>>57595895
Just like you're the rapechild of Jamal's brown wiener and Sven's boipucci
>>57596145
Kawaii desu
>>57596165
Sauce?
>>57596220
Teh fugg is カック?
>>57591817
>Mars
Fucking poo in loos beat you and the chinks to Mars.
>>57596532
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology#Devoicing
>In many dialects, the high vowels /i/ and /u/ become devoiced when between voiceless consonants.
>The common sentence-ending copula desu and polite suffix masu are typically pronounced [desu̥] and [masu̥].
>Japanese speakers are usually not even aware of the difference of the voiced and devoiced pair.
Apparently this is also a feature of Quebecois.
Phonetically you are similar with our language (before we use alphabet), but you loan kanji from China.
>>57597059
>nya
Cute
>nga, tha
How the fuck pronounce it
2 consonants, 1 vowel?
>>57596829
It's true. The Portuguese were very influential to Japan.
They gave you guns, revolutionizing warfare in Japan.
They gave you tempura and other dishes like tarts.
They gave you the concept of gratitude (obrigado).
They even had a bad influence because they enslaved a lot of Japanese commoners, which got them banned from Japan.
I always wondered ig Macedonians and Bulgarians can understand each other?I mean I understand macedonian perfectly, but not bulgarian, although they sound similar to me.
>>57597197
(a)nga is like you spell (a)ga in your certain dialect.
tha is like ta but with heavy t.
>>57597462
Thanks
It seems interesting
>>57597197
I think that ng sounds like ん in んく.
In English we write this sound with two letters but it's just one sound.
>>57597289
>Obrigado
>>57595611
Koreans pronounce vowels almost the same way as in Japanese.
>>57597751
Our pronunciation is almost similar with yours. I've seen video in youtube when your people spoke bahasa, the pronunciation is almost perfect.
>>57597059
look similar to thai
>>57598235
From same root.
>>57592638
No Arabic?
>>57594307
Yes there is a hypothesis that Japanese is related to the Altaic languages.
I think it's more plausible than the Austronesian hypothesis, but it could be a blend.
You japs have a really interesting language
I think the lack of -ng, located the end of the syllables, is little bit involved with the difference of their sound.
For example, 明洞 Myeongdong in Korean, Meidou (could be pronounced Myoudou) in Japanese, 重慶 Chongqing in Chinese, Jūkei in Japanese.
See 四川省 Sìchuan Sheng in Ch, Shisen Shou in Jp. In Japanese, it seems that -n still remains but -ng is replaced by a vowel.
Idk it's correct or not.
>>57595611
What the fuck are you talking about? You're just...wrong. The easiest way to identify Korean is to listen for something that sounds like Japanese but you don't hear any desu/desuka at the end of sentences.
>>57598373
The Austro-Tai family is still controversial, and using an image with Japanese in it doesn't really help your case because that's even more controversial.
>>57598653
Specifically, the theory is that there's even such a thing as "Altaic" in the first place. It's very controversial.
>>57598675
>-ng
WHAT IS THIS
HOW PRONOUNCE IT
>>57598810
Fair enough, but even our origin ancestor is still controversial. We were either from Taiwan, or Proto/Deutro Malay.
>>57598860
まんが without a.
or listen to this
https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/malang
it's known that ancient japanese had more vowels than modern one. it has changed to become a simpler, easy-to-pronounce language so we can save energy to survive in this shitty island with little resources. in fact you don't have to move your mouth and tongue when you speak japanese.
>>57598860
Why is this so confusing for Japanese people? We have this sound in English.
>>57598971
I can't pronounce manga without last ‘a’
>>57599012
*move your mouth and tongue that much
>>57598653
some theories propose the yayoi people are altaics, while the jomons are austronesians. yeah could be both
>>57599013
TOO MANY CONSONANTS
Like cheng, wang
>>57599025
はんこの「ん」がngの音らしい
"hanko" this n is actually pronounced as ng sound.
We don't notice the difference of these sounds but can pronounce.
>>57599160
なるほど
ハンコみたいに単語の中間にあるなら言えるけど語尾にngがあるのはさっぱりだ
>>57599158
But it's just one consonant. It is represented by two symbols, but it's one consonant. It's like ch or ts. Or do Japanese people hear these as t? I never thought to ask.
>>57599310
???
O…okay………I will give up to learn other language……
why does japan hate chinese and koreans even tho you guys are brothers
>>57599372
What are you confused about?
In romaji we write ちょっと as chotto. But the ch represents one sound, even though it's two symbols.
Ng is just like that. We use two symbols but it's just one sound.
>>57599408
shut up chink
>>57599408
I don't hate Canada though
Related topic.
What's that word in Mandarin that sounds like "Nigga"
I always hear Chinese say "Nigga nigga"
>>57599549
>>57599457
>>57591022
So you've never heard Korean?
>>57599453
!
I understand
Thanks a lot
>>57595510
I heard that some people want to put Ryukyuan languages and Korean together into a larger macrofamily.
>>57596107
Thai doesn't have "ching chong"-sounding words. Only Vietnamese does.
>>57597402
Bulgarian and Macedonian are very similar. Just like how Bosnian is similar to Serbian and Croatian.
>>57599864
>Just like how Bosnian is similar to Serbian and Croatian.
But those are literally the same langauge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian
japanese language=korean(grammer)+ryukyuan(pronunciation)
>>57599310
さんぽ sanpo はんこ hanko ほんとう hontou かんい kann'i こんにゃく kon'nyaku みかん mikan
These "n" is pronounced "m" "ng" "n" "in(like french)" "gn (like french)" "N(sounds only n)"
so Japanese ん(in Japanese letter n) is pronounced in six ways but we don't use different letter and care these difference.
Due to that, terrible Japanese accent English speakers may say "going" like goin'gu.
All Japanese can tell the difference t ch ts.
>>57600193
>Due to that, terrible Japanese accent English speakers may say "going" like goin'gu.
So in school you aren't taught the correct pronunciation?
>All Japanese can tell the difference t ch ts.
What about sh/s? These are a lot closer, I think. Do Japanese consider し and さ to have the same or different consonants?
>>57599556
Mandarin: "nei ge" = that/that one
Korean: "naega" = I/me
>>57600393
I felt my jhs teacher didn't focus on pronunciation and accent. Because all public jhs has many idiots, we don't study in detail.
I guess some Japanese people who slept in their English class think さ and し has same consonant but all Japanese people never regard さ(sa) and しゃ(sha) as same.
Japanese system don't have only si sound. However, we distinguish s/sh. As a result, sort/short is OK but sit/shit, a little bit difficult.
>>57591022
Isolation due to being an island. Not counting writing, Japanese is indeed influenced by Chinese, but still lacks those distinctly Chinese characteristics, such as tonality.
And thank God, because tonal languages are fucking horrible. You don't have to be a weeaboo to agree that Japanese sounds way better than Mandarin or Thai,if only because they aren't throwing the tone of their voice all over the place.
>>57600546
thanks!
>>57600944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_o47Gs6DQ0
>>57591817
debiddo boui !
>>57595510
I refuse to accept that Japanese isn't related to Korean in some way.
The similarities in grammar are just too huge, and grammar isn't something that is easily borrowed from other languages by mere contact like loanwords are.
They sound
Japanese : "ka se de ta fu ra...."
Chinese : "li shuh bao lang..."
Altaic(including Korean): "hunzyur gunchur..."
South east asian: "yai gyai bai ...(stressing on throat)"
to me
>>57592822
I've always thought this. Maori sounds pretty cool тbh.
>>57601298
>people unironically believe learning this language is more respectable than learning Japanese
Japanese can be divided into 3 types.
First one is Yamato Kotoba. It has been existed for more than 2000 years.
It is quite different from Chinese and Korean of today.
Second one is from old chinese.
about 1300 years ago, japan imported a lot of kanji and old chinese words.
Most of the buddhism words are this one.
Third one is translated from Westerner's word.
about 150 years ago, great japanese translated a lot of westerner's academic words into Japanese and managed to express those in Kanji.
科学(=science), 共和国(=republic), and other westerner's academic , or historical words were translated into japanese and there were imported to China and Korea from Japan.
for example, China's official name is 中華人民共和国(people's republic of China), but 人民(=people)and 共和国(=republic) are the kanji which were translated from English into japanese and imported to China and used in China now.
Most of the modern words which are used in Japan, China, and Korea are the translated kanji by Japanese.
>>57591522
this nigga knows
hawaii sounds like kawaii
and komehameha sounds japanese too
>>57604273
i have a question
whats the difference between 大好きand 愛でる
愛でる = to love
大好き = is one's favorite
>>57604452
are they often confused? or are they interchangeable?
>>57604452
I've never seen 愛でる before. Is it old, formal or poetic?
>>57595611
shit this makes me wonder what a korean accent in japanese sounds like and what a japanese accent in korean would sound like
Aliens, obviously
The reason why anime characters resemble stereotypical aliens is because they based them on their ancestors
>>57591522
This.
>>57594307
Mongolian grammar is similar to Japanese in fact.
>>57591022
that language overall is flat as fuck. you can easily notice that it doesnt have any kind of actual accent. i dont know why but thats the reason. and it brings many problems on us in learning other languages, like english.
>>57611948
Japan is so unstressed it's interesting to hear. Especially when native English speakers use stress to change the meaning of sentences entirely. No wonder the stereotypically gaijin speaking Japanese has the stress on syllables all over the place.
>>57595611
are you deaf?
>>57612452
Japanese has the stress on some sentences/contexts, like the case of saying "This is fun, isnt it?". "Dayone" ="Yes it is/I think so" and " Dayo-NE?"=" Isnt it?/Dont you think so?" has the actual different meanings by using the stress. "Ne" and "Na" (Na is mostly for men) are frequently used in such contexts and situations.
But as you mentioned i suppose Japanese doent have much of the stresses compared to other languages. Its the literal flattest language.
>>57599115
Looking at artifacts from both periods I would buy this.
Yayoi tends to reflect more east asian cultural traits while Jomon tends to reflect islander traits.
>>57616257
As well as the architecture from each period as well.
