Why do people vote 'no' when given the chance to be independent from another nation? Is it not worth a try?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A
They fear losing their government subsidies. Places like Scotland and Quebec thrive on handouts.
Americans just don't understand loyalty
>>57502428
t; Quebec
>>57502400
Montreal is nice though; how many people live in Quebec? Montreal cant sustain them?
>>57502349
Because stronger together.
>>57502349
>Scotland and England united in the 1700's
>Formed the worlds largest and most successful empire from a tiny island
>Some people actually wanted to throw it all away because of Jacobite stories and a mel gibson movie
I don't understand
>>57502469
That doesn't even make any sense
>>57502499
>Some people actually wanted to throw it all away because of Jacobite stories and a mel gibson movie
Some people are born leaders.
Also; Mel Gibson is a modern genius.
Scottish independence is even dumber than the idea of Quebec independence
>>57502504
>loyal to cuckarchy.
>>57502428
No thanks.
>>57502597
Canada isnt the UK. It offers more.
>>57502665
No it dosent
>>57502724
Yes it does.
>>57502665
Not really
>>57502754
What does it offer then?
>>57502724
>>57502762
>>57502772
Canada offers larger economy and military defense.
The UK is just a London city-state.
>>57502349
I'm not sure I understand the point of Scottish Independence. Isn't your culture pretty much the same as England's except with a few minor differences?
>>57502491
If it could the Canadian government wouldn't be giving them gibs
>>57502801
Its not ~just~ about Scotland. If Quebec offered independence? If North Korea offered independence? If Siberia offered independence?
Just fucking try it out.
>>57502789
I know but we don't offer more than England offers Scotland
>>57502789
>The UK is just a London city-state.
Neck your self
>>57502839
I think Canada does.
>>57502838
What?
>>57502801
Mel Gibson made a really bad historical drama movie and it warped their tiny scotch minds.
>>57502860
Did that trigger you m8?
>>57502907
Can we seriously contend that Mel Gibson had that much influence of scottish milennials? Serious question.
>>57502909
>France
>>57502945
I'm pretty sure many if not most Scot disliked the film.
>>57502909
>London is the wealthiest part of the UK
>somehow means Scotland should become independent
>>57502945
It's not just millenials. And the answer is yes.
>>57502986
How did the idea of independence from England actually begin? Is there a specific event or is it a compilation generational things?
>>57502995
I guess so; a lot of the guys in the link are older.
>>57503039
>How did the idea of independence from England actually begin?
In the 20th and 21st century that is...
>>57503039
>independence from England
>England
>>57502990
Maybe they realized how easy it is to let banks send money through your cables?
>>57503039
Scotland is currently in a union with 3 other countries. The clue is in the name on my flag.
>>57503137
>Scotland is currently in a union with 3 other countries.
And thus; the question why you wouldnt want to try independence...
>>57503207
Because they would become bankrupt
>>57503207
That's for those Scottish people to answer.
>>57503241
>>57503245
Why would they become bankrupt? Their a new nation, what are its debts?
>>57503285
>Why would they become bankrupt?
Socialism
>>57503285
Their plan depended on north sea oil. They were going to put all their eggs in that basket
>>57503422
>They were going to put all their eggs in that basket
They have money sent through Scotland too; plus oil is profitable.
>>57503402
>Socialism
Its more centralized if UK is taken out of equation.
>>57503285
They would of got their share of UK debt and since the oil devaluation in recent years their main focus would be in tatters.
Plus the SNP are socialists
>>57503476
And the price of oil tanked so hard it isn't even funny.
>>57502789
the uk has a bigger economy and higher military spending m8
>>57503499
>They would of got their share of UK debt
Which is what? Most the economy is in London; thats where the debts are as well.
>>57503516
>the price of oil tanked so hard
Its still very profitable, enough to sustain 1 small tiny country with a even smaller population.
>>57503550
No it isn't look at Qutar that needs oil to be at over $110 a barrel to be profitable
>>57503550
Scotland borrowed loads of money to pay for welfare and the oil in Scotland is going to run out in 30-40 years
>>57503587
>the oil in Scotland is going to run out in 30-40 years
Right, that tired old line. Dig deeper.
>>57503570
>Qutar that needs oil to be at over $110 a barrel to be profitable
Qutar doesnt have any educated people. And if their government shared profits for citizens; things could be much different.
>>57503550
>most
Its proportional anyway so whatever it is they would be in the same situation as a UK sans Scotland. With the over generous welfare, education and health the SNP are offering the country would face a huge deficit.
Plus the oil is private so the country itself is at the mercy of the companies most of which are not based in Scotland
>>57503642
Scotland doesn't have that many educated people either. The whole nation is addicted to welfare and heroin
>>57503666
>The whole nation is addicted to welfare and heroin
>666
>>57503666
Plus it has the highest obesity, drug use and lowest average lifespan in Europe
Its a tax burden on England at this point
>>57503642
>Dig deeper
If you continue to dig deeper it gets harder to extract and more expensive.
>>57503651
>With the over generous welfare, education and health the SNP are offering the country would face a huge deficit.
Everything they dont need will be erased, thats good. The only country facing a deficit would be former UK; for allowing spending to balloon as it did.
>>57503651
>>57503725
>Plus the oil is private so the country itself is at the mercy of the companies most of which are not based in Scotland
Doesn't matter; they can make it cheaper to extract oil there than in the US if they wanted to.
>>57503642
>dig deeper, yea, companies are going to spend more money to get oil that isn't profitable, good business plan.
Plus the tarrifs and labour costs that go with muh socialism
>>57503716
>Plus it has the highest obesity, drug use and lowest average lifespan in Europe
Isnt that Northern Ireland?
Post proofs.
>>57503759
There are companies in the U.S that are profitable at $11 a barrel in the U.S because of fracking. Something that the socialists in charge of Scotland would never allow.
>>57503759
The delusion is real
>>57503779
>Plus the tarrifs and labour costs that go with muh socialism
Their taxation could be managed and with a low population their costs would be minimal. Compared to 60+ mil of entire UK.
>>57503806
>Scotland becomes independent
>UK forces debts upon them because of butthurt loss
The delusion IS real.
>>57503834
Why would the U.K accept the debt of a nation that left it. If you recall Scotland is it's own nation in a union with England.
>>57503890
>Why would the U.K accept the debt of a nation that left it.
Why would Scotland accept the debt of a nation it doesn't belong in anymore?
People in Scotland paid their taxes in 2014. 2015 is a new year.
>>57503916
if the indebted assets are within scotland they will carry it over.
>>57503916
Because the debt that Scotland takes in are Scotland's debt not England's.
>>57503939
But most indebted assets are in London.
>>57503916
Because some of the debt that the UK is in is Scotland's fault.
>>57503953
Scottish debt < UK debt
>>57503963
>some of the debt that the UK is in is Scotland's fault.
Dont be a jew.
>>57503990
It's still theirs though. Not sure what you are getting at. Or how you expect a people dependant on welfare and that don't work to make a country work
>>57504032
Theres no evidence to suggest their dependent on welfare just because they receive it. Your entire theory hangs on that.
>>57504053
I hope you realize that you sound really stupid at the moment
>>57502494
>tfw that doggo is dead
>>57504053
Scotland's public spending was almost £15bn more than its tax revenue in the last financial year, new figures show.
The amount spent per head was £1,400 per person higher than the UK figure, according to the Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) bulletin for 2014-15.
The deficit ran to almost 10% of Scotland's output - nearly double the level for the UK as a whole.
wew lad
>>57504074
So now that you have nothing; you're going to name call.
Since Scottish debt is much less than UK; you have nothing. Even a nation of well maintained chav could support itself.
>>57504096
>Scotland's public spending was almost £15bn more than its tax revenue in the last financial year, new figures show.
Figures you havent linked to.
Figures that are for ~UK~, not a independent Scotland.
>>57504129
I have nothing more to say to you really you replied to me with
>Theres no evidence to suggest their dependent on welfare just because they receive it
If they weren't dependent on it they wouldn't receive it
>>57504095
You shut your mouth.
>>57504175
>If they weren't dependent on it they wouldn't receive it
Im sure Scotland wouldnt make ANY changes to its spending at all.
Why are you being willfully ignorant? Obviously scotland wont keep the same levels of spending.
>>57504129
Scotland's budget is controlled by Holyrood meaning spending is unlikely to change if it becomes independent
>>57504224
>meaning spending is unlikely to change if it becomes independent
Thats ridiculous; of course they would change spending if they wanted an independent nation to exist.
>>57504217
No because they wouldn't be able to afford their welfare programs
>>57504295
>No because they wouldn't be able to afford their welfare programs
Thats why they edit them.
>>57504360
Scotland is fiercely socialist meaning they would never cut spending unless it was for something like the military.
>>57504360
Then why would they leave they wouldn't be able to maintain the citizens current lifestyles and no industry or finances would be there
>>57504399
>Scotland is fiercely socialist meaning they would never cut spending unless it was for something like the military.
I know i heard the guy in the link; he doesnt want more bills lol.
>>57504408
With the right tax scheme; businesses would come and people could get their monies.
C'EST À CAUSE DE L'ARGENT ET DES VOTES ETHNIQUES
>>57504447
>With the right tax scheme; businesses would come and people could get their monies.
An independent Scotland will never lower taxes if that is what you are suggesting.
>>57504485
>VOTES ETHNIQUES
Cucks and dependents. They should've separated.
>>57504512
I dont see how any people could be so stubborn.
>>57504534
Their entire ideology would fall apart if they weren't
>>57504564
>Their entire ideology would fall apart
Their entire ideology falls apart if they arent independent though?
>>57504591
No because they can keep getting money from London and getting people riled up to keep voting for them
>>57504620
Voting for who?
And all these situations were argued against US revolution. Debts, security, economy. Its possible.
>>57504657
They vote for the SNP, which is a pro independence and far left party.
>>57504657
The U.S had an economy were people were paid 4x as much as their counterparts in England and was illegitimately thought as the future of the U.K.
And voting for SNP
>>57504713
>The U.S had an economy were people were paid 4x as much as their counterparts in England
Thats because they moved overseas?
Taxation on colonials was rampant; goods like boats were sent back and forth over the atlantic while being crafted. Getting taxed each time.
>>57504707
Thats good though right? Or is independence from EU bad too?
>>57504756
>Or is independence from EU bad too?
They want Scotland to join the EU if it becomes independent.
>>57504812
>They want Scotland to join the EU if it becomes independent.
Said whom?
>>57504819
The SNP multiple times.
>>57504852
>multiple times.
Can you elaborate?
>>57504880
What is there to elaborate.The SNP want Scotland to stay in the EU.
>>57504965
>The SNP want Scotland to stay in the EU.
Do you have a link, did Gordon Brown? Seems to pointless to be true.
>>57505002
Did you not follow the Scotland vote at all?
>>57505002
http://www.scotsman.com/scottish-independence/key-topic/european-union/
>>57505053
So it was debated within the movement.
>>57505036
>>57503207
I know about the fraud
>>57505112
While the thread was interesting maybe you should read up on the topic before talking about it
>>57505112
What fraud?
>>57505142
>read up on the topic before talking about it
>>57505180
>What fraud?
>>57503207
>>57503207
>>57503207
>not staying loyal for the inevitable new british empire
