>literally center of europe >still called by idiots eastern
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>literally center of europe
>still called by idiots eastern europe
>>57420407
Eastern Europe is a political concept, retard. Also Lithuania is the centre.
>>57420407
>Iraq is Europe
>central Europe
no such thing
'Eastern Europe' means 'we don't want to be associated with those subhumans'.
>>57420407
>literally cancer of europe
FTFY
>>57420407
oh I didn't know Morocco and Saudis were Europe too
stupid fucking polak
>>57420407
this area is the centre of Europe
>>57420673
Europe unironically ends on Ural mountains.
>>57420673
Shitposting
>>57420407
Czechmate, poland
>>57420449
>>57420407
Political and ideological.
>>57420407
have you ever wanted to be center of europe so bad you included saudi arabia in your europe map ?
>After a re-estimation of the boundaries of the continent of Europe in 1989, Jean-George Affholder, a scientist at the Institut Géographique National (French National Geographic Institute) determined that the geographic centre of Europe is located at 54°54′N 25°19′E.[1] The method used for calculating this point was that of the centre of gravity of the geometrical figure of Europe. This point is located in Lithuania, specifically 26 kilometres (16 mi) north of its capital city, Vilnius, near the village of Purnuškės.
:^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^)
>>57420673
put away the map for the rapefugees mehmet
you arent supposed to traffick them anymore
>>57421011
>Purnuškės
>Pornoseks
>>57420407
>basic civil rights centuries before other european cunts
>elected head of the state
>first constitution
>had its own Habeas Corpus in 1430-something
>first religious tolerance act
>eastern Europe
I tell you. There's no bigger example of an injustice in Europe than Poland. What a fucking tragedy it is to be born here. Nuke us pls
>>57421353
Name these "civil rights". And don't copy paste some wall of text.
>>57421422
Rights of shlyahta to opress ukrainian peasants :^)
>>57421422
I'm typing on my phone, so I'm too lazy to copy it all here but you can read about szlachta privileges, henrician articles and constitution may 3rd
>>57421600
Not so bad for the Medieval.
>>57421662
>szlachta privileges count as civil rights
I hope you typed this ironically.
>>57421679
I'd say pretty average.
>>57420937
Why were Baltics pagan for so long?
>>57421755
Just like Magna Charta you jewish moron. I understand the only thing Jews contributed to was theft
>>57421821
Anywhere that wasn't under some Roman influence, and thus had people who could speak Latin within the nobility or had contact with them was a lot harder to introduce the religion to
>>57421850
>idiot gets mad when I point out his obvious idiocy
>>57420473
Not much different than you, Belgium. Bombings and such.
>>57420673
This, Europe ends at the Urals, at Portugal, at Malta, and in Northern Norway.
>>57420407
Poland should look like this.
it's time to end this shitposting once and for all
>>57422013
Amagi brilliant park was a good show. But I don't remember that smug face.
>>57420750
>Vojvodina
>Central Europe
Loving every laugh
>>57421930
The Balts were pagans long after we became Christian though. How do you explain that?
I don't think a single European can give an answer objectively.
>>57422170
Scandis are cucks
>>57422013
You're forgetting that Polacks are a bunch of toxic, rosary rattling scumbags with a superiority complex, man.
>>57422170
>>57422170
Only by like 100-200 years, about the time it took for the religion to spread from the HRE to Viking land
>>57422170
they were just tribal much longer than scandinavians, who had cultural exchanges with both romes
>>57422229
this one is pretty close is the right answer
>>57422110
>>57420937
>christianity
>european
loving every laugh
>>57420750
>Romania is central Europe
>>57422089
Literally why
>>57422452
Tell me more about the 100% European moorish caliphate alberto
>>57421011
That's weird.
Considering lithuanians are the most genetically pure europeans as well.
>>57422459
It's from the central powers of WWI, were romanian lands were a part of Austria-Hungary you retard.
>>57422544
Thanks to the islamic texts we actually know about european paganism and way of life.
Plenty of them available online if you're interested.
>>57422013
Magna Charta and Habeas Corpus, Simon de Montfort are all described as an example of progress in human rights that slowly spread. I think it's obvious we're talking here about the idea of limiting power not about common rights, because this is only a XX century creation. You're really dumb, go back to your kibbutz you ungrateful leecher
>>57422452
European Christianity has almost nothing in common with the Middle Eastern Chalcedonian religion
Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity incorporated tons of European pagan rituals and even many beliefs into the religion
>>57422565
The Baltic is where white skin, blonde hair in adults, and blue eyes in adults emerged
>>57422079
2/4 of those things aren't on this map retard
>polish intellectuals in action
>>57422715
Educate yourself, the European version of christianity are worlds apart from what the religion was like 1900 years ago
>>57422735
It's still better than the other maps ITT
>>57422079
Can you stop? You're embarrassing us.
>>57422794
>European Christianity has almost nothing in common with the Middle Eastern Chalcedonian religion
this sentence is factually wrong
>>57422676
>tfw black hair and blue eyes
>>57422636
>has almost nothing in common
>same origin as judaism
>whole religion is centered around the jews and jesus who is a jew, king of jews and son of god
>10 commandments, identical to the jewish ones.
It's also a religion that destroys traditions, yes european christianity is not european AND effectively destroyed european traditions that ceased to exist and left nothing but half assed remarks and mentions in text before they were completely erradicated.
>>57422565
> lithuanians are the most genetically pure europeans
Lipkowies are Europeans now? The definition of European is getting so loose it's going to include Koreans soon.
>>57420407
ЛOЛ БЛЯ XD
>>57421821
We have never been into being cucked by shitskins and their religion voluntarily, we have died with our boots in our feet.
>>57422629
These were limited only to nobility though. And although they perhaps served as a prototype for civil laws that came centuries later, they can't be called or treated as such, as they're limited only to the privileged elite.
In fact, for the common folk the things became only worse because szlachta's power became increasingly unchecked, reducing them into a de facto serfs.
>>57422883
Judaism got 613 commandments though. The 10 are just the main ones.
>>57420937
nice! saving the banter map, la famille
>>57420937
>In many aspects, Polish culture had a positive influence on France. At Wawel, the French were introduced to new technologies of septic facilities, in which litter (excrement) was taken outside the castle walls.[19] On returning to France, Henry ordered the construction of such facilities at the Louvre and other palaces.[19] Other inventions introduced to the French by the Polish included a bath with regulated hot and cold water, as well as forks. Henri III (1551–1589) [...] he is widely credited for having introduced the fork into France.[20]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_III_of_France
Sure.
>>57424010
Roughly speaking Poland had parliament in the age of kingdoms and empires, was tolerant in the age of religious wars and dared to cultivate its own specific Slavic culture. For these crimes against humanity it was erased by three Serious Respectable Powers TM, which said it was good, just and wise to do so. Yet nowadays Western culture is all about parliaments, tolerance and respect paid to other cultures. We are being told it is progressive; maybe it is, or maybe it's not. But this would mean Poles were the most advanced civilization of 16th-17th century Europe, erased from the map by Westerners driven by savagery and primal greed. And this is barely acceptable for whiteys, who apparently want to feel warm and comfy with their myth of being the most advanced civilization of this planet, always and ever. This is why Poles must bow their necks and knees and learn their place in the great picture of the History of White Man, the place which was designated for them without asking them for their opinion.
>>57424144
Communism is what really made Poland eastern.
>>57422809
t. Kökszal "Europe ends in Ankara" Kökçeğem
>>57420407
Geographical centre of Europe is in Lithuania tho.
>>57422156
This looks pretty much like Central Europe to me
>>57424144
>Poland can't into history
We lost most of those colonies by 1900, and we split from our southern territories in 1830. How backwards do you have to be to barely keep up with a country of 34.000 km^2?
>>57424569
It's not like we got partitioned and were under three different countries fighting for our survival.
Whatever makes you feel better, barbarian.
>>57424144
>>57424181
>>57424922
t. russkie
>>57424801
>barbarian
Ahaha are you serious right now?
>>57425014
You acted like barbarian scum during colonization.
>>57424556
Looks kinda like Slovenia to me: beautiful architechture due to Venetian and Austrian influence, but the culture is not Central European.
>>57420407
Everything east of germany is eastern europe, deal with it.
>>57425045
>You acted like barbarian scum during colonization.
Not really. At least we had a colonial empire, which is something only reserved for civilized nations (the Ottomans being the sole exception) Being genocided by the Anglos doesn't have to be a barbarian thing.
If you are one of those "evil whitey oppressing muh poor poc" you really need to read up on the benefits of colonialism.
>>57425178
That would simply mean that Eastern Europe was more civilized than Western Europe.
>>57423756
but it's stupid not to look at history as a process. With your reasoning we should limit our history to XXth century, because this is when rights became common. Nobody looks at social processes this way
>>57425222
We had simple colonies before partitions too.
Courlandians colonised for us. Citizens of Triniad and Tobago were granted Polish citzenship immediately. - There was no slavery, but peaceful colonization. Untill the Dutch and Anglos came and fucked it up.
>>57422079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0TK_vk-XDM
>>57420937
>present core of europe
>wien not included
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
>>57425178
Everything west of czech republic is ISIS
They now have yperit, praying for yperit bombs in all major dutch cities everyday
>>57425284
I fucking loves these polish myths and legends :)))))
>>57425388
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_attempts_by_Poland
Myths?
>>57425225
Debatable.
Also
>>was
You don't even pretend Poland isn't an eastern european shithole?
>>57425432
>Poland never formally had any colonial territories
First sentence, hahaha
>>57425577
It's obvious that we didn't.
It was an attempt. We had more important things to do.
>>57425568
It is now. Fully.
>>57420937
>scratch a Russian and you will wound a Tatar
>>57425432
>>57425432
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_attempts_by_Poland
Where does it talk about your peaceful colonization? You guys were not Pierre Savorgnan de Brazza.
>>57425763
in your mum's asshole, rusek
>>57422110
Based greece terminates shitposting
>>57420407
>Poland is still butthurt because it was under communist control
>>57420407
Kek, Poles trying to deny themselves. Face it: you and even the czechs are fucking eastern europe. Nobody counts you as central europe.
>>57425265
Irrelevant.
You claimed that these were a civil rights, but they was restricted only for the nobility, and NOT all citizens. So basically it's a privilege the nobility enjoyed, which the rest of Poles, the common folk didn't.
Like it or not, it got nothing to do with the later emerged "human rights" (rights you have for just being a born a human) and concepts of "equality" (all people are born equal).
Poland? More like Butthurtland l0l.
>>57420937
>Ukraine
>Oriental kink
>coming from a Brit
top kek.Ukrainian looks way more white than those anglo
>>57420882
polan can into nordic now
>>57426523
Any historian of human rights will point to bills like Magna Charta which indicate a certain kind of reasoning about power and authority, despite them being restricted to groups of people. I didn't think I have to explain obvious things. You're either a commie or a talmudic Jew so a troll
>>57420937
>"Africa begins at the Pyrenees" A. DUMAS
Ironic since Dumas was black
>>57420407
>I'm going to use a flat map to conclusively prove we're the centre of a curved surface.
Are you retarded?
>>57428851
It might me true that "Privilege of Jedlnia" was unusual for it's period, however that's about it.
The western (French) ideas of liberalism and humanism developed independently of the Polish ones.
So all your pride boils down to "We were a bit different from the others", because other that that there's no value whatsoever in it. It neither helped to developed modern concepts of civil laws, nor actually were ones by themselves 'till 1791. Ironically this "phenomenal" (according to you) thing, which is actually no more than a attempt of nobility to control the king (hello to pre-feudal europe), contributed to a fall of the Commonwealth. It's like being proud of having a corrupt country, wtf?
>>57420407
Your center spot is fucked up because you included asiatic countries like Russia and Turkey in your map by accident.
>>57430188
>It neither helped to developed modern concepts of civil laws
Because PLC ceased to exist only when modernity was starting. Can't you make these conclusions yourself? Yes, liberalism developed independent from polish ideas, so fucking what? We had those ideas centuries before others and PLC couldn't develop them because it was partitioned
Nevertheless, just like Magna Charta (which also wasn't liberal, because liberalism didn't exist then), people like Simon de Montfort in England (guess what - he didn't live during times of liberalism) still can be given as examples of the early, proto ideas of what we understand as human rights
>>57430188
>Ironically this "phenomenal" (according to you) thing, which is actually no more than a attempt of nobility to control the king (hello to pre-feudal europe), contributed to a fall of the Commonwealth
Poland didn't experience absolutism, just like the US. Will you say that US suck and have a terrible state model?
Also, it is common for every country to fall into crises. Britain, France, Germany, Spain, US all had civil wars. Thankfully they didn't border two most violent countries in Europe
During times of crises there also comes a time for reform, and it has been going on during the enlightenment in the PLC. This country was able to win wars against Teutons/Prussia, Moscow, Ottomans, Swedes, yet just because it fell into a crisis you all of sudden try to discredit it
Also it was partitioned by unindustrialized, retarded, absolutistic kingdoms, so I assume you submit to the idea that centralized, enlightened absolutism that was the prototype of mass social engineering was actually a good, progressive type of governance
And you call a republican system pre-feudal Europe. So you suggest that Cicero was a pre-feudal retard? Or that the Republic of Venice was a "pre-feudal" state? Can you get any more desperate?
>>57432025
>We had those ideas centuries before others
No you didn't, that's the whole point.
Szlachta privileges got nothing similar with the human rights that emerged later in western Europe.
>>57432426
...wtf are you talking about pal?
I'd accept debate on many subjects, but to say that the commonwealth """"monarchy"""" didn't suck balls, is to tell all historians that they know nothing, and that this type of government wasn't one of the things that went wrong with Poland?
By the way, I don't know why you're comparing a Monarchy (that supposedly) ruled by a King, with a Republic? Aren't you're the one desperate here?
By "pre-feudal" I meant post-Roman, Charlemagne era. Sorry I wasn't clear, but I expected a person that knows history to understand. My bad.
And the situation there was basically when the "King" is more of a titular title, and his """"vassals"""" hold a lot more power then him.
Sounds familiar? Because that very similar to the Commonwealth, where the King couldn't properly do anything because Sejm could "liberum veto" literary anything and everything. Sure, great """"government"""" system.
>>57433410
>No you didn't, that's the whole point
OK. I mean there was a culture of civil rights, just like in Britain. Fine, you win, I just don't understand your reasoning
>and that this type of government wasn't one of the things that went wrong with Poland?
And Louis XVI is what went wrong with France, Napoleon too, Charles I Stuart with England, anti-federalists with the US. You can discredit any country you want with a single case of a crisis, but this is not to be taken seriously, this is just a waste of time
What went wrong was that the PLC neighboured violent states and you know that from your history
>Sounds familiar?
You can extend any parliamentary and decentralized political system to a "pre-feudal" state if you're desperate enough to discredit it. The truth is that the PLC was inspired by Cicero and the Republic of Venice, not by some pre-feudal states, of which we have very little knowledge and there's certainly no trace of it in polish intellectual history
When you say that Republic and a king exclude each other, then you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Republic as an antinomy of monarchy is only a modern concept created by the jacobins. As one polish writer put it "Our country is called Res Publica/Commonwealth which is a positive term, Republic (as such in France) is a negative term". Some say that the Commonwealth was a republican monarchy. Also, what about medieval monarchies with strong parliaments? Were they not monarchies? You associate monarchy only with absolutism?
>>57434057
Actually I'm not trying to "discredit the country", but exactly the opposite. The country (people, ideals) were fine - the government wasn't.
Not that I care much, but I really don't know why you defend it. It's pretty much established by historians that it caused the Commonwealth hundred times more harm than good. Again, not that I care, but I don't get why you even defend it.
About "violent neighbors", that's true, but tell me - was only Commonwealth in this position?
For example a German might say too "Shise, wer sandwiched between ze violent Franks, Ostreich, Schweden und Polen!"
So why the Commonwealth failed, where others in similar geographic situations didn't? Just short straw or luck? Or maybe its the """government""" that didn't do, or perhaps could do anything to prevent it?
About monarchies and republics I can write a whole essay, but that's not the point here. The point is that Polish "republican" monarchy simply didn't work out. You might point at England and say that it's an example of a parliamentary monarchy that succeed, which is true, but circumstances of England are unique in a way.
>>57435666
Not him, but you're right Satan.
We should had absolute monarchy, total polonisation/colonisation, national polish church and finish the job with Prussia and Muscovy etc etc.
>>57432426
Poland and the US political systems are extremely different, Poland's was shit purely because of the fucking veto being given to everyone and their mother.
Also technically speaking, Venice's system is pre-feudal because it existed before that
>>57422110
>Finland
>Western Europe
