IQ map
>>57340302
>Dumbthuania
You will never, ever convince me that the average IQ in China is that high. They definitely only tested the IQs of people in the big cities on/near the East Coast. Those hundreds of millions scattered throughout other, impoverished regions were disregarded.
>>57340302
you calling me stupid or something m8?
Bravo Best Korea!
>asiancreativity
No way Morocco is that high
I'm kind of amazed we're on par with Europe considering how many non-whites we have
>>57340423
the data for most countries is made up under racist premises.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations#National_IQ_estimates
>>57340302
That is false as Fuck.
We aren't that dumb, most Mexican don't care about learning but they are actually smart.
>>57340543
the data for most countries was made by OP using paintbucket
>>57340554
WE WUZ AZTEC MATHEMATICIANS N SHEIT
>mfw the european iq starts going down as the muslim population rises
>>57340889
But they are racially almost white. Turks = Greeks, for example.
>>57340302
>NK, China...
U fuking wot m8?
>>57340554
>don't care about learning
>actually smart
awful post friend kill yourself my man
This map is complete and utter bullshit, the reason why Africa's IQ is so low is because of centuries of the west exploiting the continent for resources. How are textbooks to be made and schools to be built when the international corporations chop-down huge swaths of African forest just to make toilet-paper for white people?
9/11 was the symptom of a disease called western capitalism
>>57341332
#blacklivesmatter
#mayonnaiseassmotherfuckers
>>57340302
Fucking hell weebs are delusional
>>57340302
Real IQ map
>>57340302
>shitaly
>rural china
yeah right
>>57340302
If the Chinese are so smart then why is China that smelly shithole?
A nonsense muh friend.
>>57340302
>Ecuador has higher IQ than Peru,Colombia,Venezuela and Brazil
>>57343125
smart != clean
>>57343077
Gee, why would one of the centers of western civilization for thousands of years be somewhat composed of smart people? How is this possible?
Good point my irrelevant mongol friend.
>>57340423
you just reject to believe that intelligence is mostly genetic-based
>>57343008
>Tasmania
>Best Korea
>Madagascar
>Haiti
Stop trying to be so obvious
>>57343245
Gee, why don't you take a look at real data and think about "the centers of western civilization for thousands of years". Think long and hard anon.
>>57340344
>>57343238
Smart = clean. Autistic level smart != clean.
>>57343346
>real data
you mean the data you are desperately denying?
stay mad Jackie
>>57343443
stay retarded mario ;)
All the African and carribean kids at my school were pretty smart, do we just get the smart ones in the US?
>>57340423
some proof that education isn't so significant and intelligence is mostly genetic based
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ
>>57343539
>those sweet denial tears
stay dumb snowmongol
>>57343586
desu there is no philosophers or scientists in modern italy, and all reneissance shit is mostly about art, not about intelligence itself, so he >>57343539 might be somehow right
>>57343586
a tiny bit better than greekshits, congratulations shitaly, you did a good job with those several thousands of years xDDDDD
>IQ
into the trash it goes.
>>57343724
>desu there is no philosophers or scientists in modern italy
confirmed for not knowing what you are talking about
>>57343747
>education
thanks for confirming my point, you people really are dumb as IQ maps say
damn why are slavs so mad at us?
>>57343747
>ex CCCP wannabe european talking about italy
go committing suicide you fucktard
>>57343833
subhumans normally have inferiority feelings
>>57343817
>>57343889
do they make butthurt pizza in shitaly? cuz your butthurt could feed the whole world :DDDD
>>57343579
Height is also heritable and genetic. Peoples height can still vary quite a bit based on environmental factors, and the average height in the west did increase quite a bit due to improved environmental conditions.
>>57343928
I'm not the one who barged into the thread leaking butthurt as usual, wouldn't be the first time.
based costa rica
>>57344008
>point out something obviously bullshit
>butthurt
yeah, it sure is me being the butthurt one here xDDDD
don't worry, you're in EU you can come here to get schooled properly! we wont bite ;)
>>57343939
But now it is falling again. Especially America and Germany/Sweden
I wonder....
>>57344117
Because we're receiving immigration of shorter people. What makes you think I'm denying that?
>>57344104
>completely and utterly unable to back his shit up
>this much damage control
Was this map made by an Italian, by any chance?
>>57343833
no one gets mad, if you talking about me (I'm the only slav here), I just try to poit you that you could be wrong, chill out
>>57344261
literally talking about yourself, true italian style!
>>57344117
fag
>>57343724
the actual director of CERN is italian
>>57344317
Data and history are smiling at me Genghis, stay assholocausted.
>>57340302
there is a region in italy that literally have the highest average IQ on the planet. it's called friuli.
>>57340302
haha that Lithuania.
>>57344343
get nuked gido
>>57344308
no he obviously meant that as an "insult" towards me because you know estonia is slavic and all that memery
this is the way it is with shitalians, they are dumb as fuck in real life and on the internet they just go into turbo retard mode
take for instance:
>>57344369
>genghis
yeah, real life and data...
>>57340302
IQ is BS
Just look at India, most of them are low IQ street shitters but they infested the best american universities
>>57344372
there is region in russia with 15 billion population where average iq is higher, it calls moscow, so?
>>57343077
>this butthurt faggot again
this nigger is soooo butthurt about italy in every thread it's embarrassing
he spends every day waiting for a thread like this to pop up so he can hate. obsessed
> there is no philosophers or scientists in modern italy
another wild retard comes out
>>57344413
But Indies in us unies are brahmans. They just do what all they ancestors did - study
>>57341332
tumblr the post.
Do some research fucking cuckold.
>>57344476
ivans are dumb as fuck
notice how white niggers (slavs etc) are butthurt about nonwhite italians being better at them in everything
>>57344547
High IQ: the post. Good job, Luigi.
>>57344547
>better at them in everything
symptomatic italian posting continues
why is this estonian always whining about southern europeans with no provocation? kid, fuck off before Russia spanks you again
>>57344410
Yup, IQ is real data, unlike your butthurt.
>>57344547
>butthurt about nonwhite italians being better at them in everything
>>57340423
Every nation fudges scores for IQ tests in some way.
>>57344649
>genghis
>holocaust
you just called me a mongol and a jew in one single post... how high did you say your iq was?
>>57344532
Source?
>>57344692
>he is now acting offended
>>57344191
I was simply implying a certain point about the fact intelligence is more genetic, than nature induced.
>>57344413
there are more high IQ Indians than high IQ Europeans due to numbers alone, India will be the most populous country in the world in a couple of generations
>mfw 60 points above national average
*tips fedora*
>>57344413
Well Brazil's IQ is accurate
>>57344748
how many of those funny meme pictures do you have? i'm willing to "converse" with you until you run out
>>57344413
they didn't infest anything, they just get employed because the selected few who are remarkable from a bunch of fuckwits do the job cheaper than their american counterparts
>>57344755
But that doesn't prove your point. Nobody is denying intelligence is genetic, what's in debate is how much it can be influenced by environmental factors.
>>57344821
hundreds
I might run out though before seeing anything resembling an argument and not concentrated butthurt from you.
>>57344806
you probably get wrong test, it's almost impossible to get 150+ iq points in standart scientfic iq test
or you are a fucking genious, that I really happy for you
why are Italians spending so much time on this butthurt Estonian. they are 1 million irrelevant people who will be taken over by Russia again in the near future
>>57344902
>what's in debate is how much it can be influenced by environmental factors
a lot
take sunlight for instance. the further south you go the stupider and lazier people get.
>>57344929
well you better get on with posting them all then. further prove what an imbecile you are.
>>57340699
The guy who did the IQ study fucked up super hard with deliberate intent
When you do this study you are supposed to go to the average school. Not the best one in the country, not the one with mentally disabled kids but the average.
Also he made up averages for several nations he couldn't gt the score of by using the averages of the average of the surrounding nation and/or the averages of the tracial groups that consist of the nation.
>>57344971
i think they think they are being funny or something
ever notice how retarded people always look happy with no apparent reason?
>>57344372
>there is a zone in US that literally have the highest average IQ on the planet. it's called Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
>>57343575
Do you go to a good school?
>>57344971
You're right actually, its not like he has any arguments anyway.
>>57344967
I got 147. Technically a genius, but I don't think I'm that smart. I have brains but my lack of some other mental skills inhibits that.
Why are the Indochinese so fucking dumb in comparison to their east Asian brethren?
>>57345066
>citations
pffffahahahahahahh xDDDD
>>57344413
Indian schools are actually pretty good for their level of development. Also you are pulling out that IQ is BS not because of a legit concern but out of defending your poor ego.
>>57344971
Italians have the biggest "WE WUZ" mentality.
>>57345131
It's an H-index actually, are you really that dumb m8? Or just drunk as shit from living in that depressive post USSR shithole?
>>57345066
suppose that Italians are dumber than Estonians. why the fuck do you care? let's say Estonia might have a higher GDP per capita at some point for a few years before its population declines to nothing, who cares?
stop paying attention to him so much, the Estonians are an irrelevant people who didn't even have an ethnic identity before the 19th century and can be easily taken over by Russia any time Putin wants
>>57345110
>falling for this unreliable Iq map that is constantly posted
>>57344704
I made some research about indian culture and some some short clip when indians were interviewed. I remember that a few of them were from traders castes.
>>57345145
rightfully so, especially when talking about something like IQ which isn't based on muh education but it's strongly inheritable
>>57345178
>number of documents
>number of citations on said documents
>h-index calculated on said number of citations
y-yeah, sorry mister Volta we can't all be geniuses like the average italian
>>57345193
>can be easily taken over by Russia any time Putin wants
I hope that is true, but actually that isn't because of nato, we pretty much fucked when had collapsed ussr that unwise way
>>57345273
It's not calculated only on that, otherwise China would be on top.
I won't answer anymore as you are clearly too mentally impaired to follow simple arguments.
Have a nice day Vladimir.
>>57345315
neither NATO nor the EU would do anything for Estonia
>>57345340
>i give up
glorious victory for estonia once again
>>57345355
pulling shit out of your ass: the post
which NATO or EU seat do you hold to have such information?
btw you shitlords should be thankful for us holding your border which you are incapable of holding yourself
>country
But why would anyone care about the averages when you are above the highest average in the map?
>>57345355
ofc, europe totally forgot how to fight and be a man, but murrica isn't
also next round of sanctions still a dangerous thing
>>57345355
I am not sure about NATO, they will at least start a proxy war as revenge.
>>57345431
because it somehow shows the quality of people
>>57345541
But it doesn't
>>57345257
Again, inheritability doesn't mean as much as you think it does. If you out someone with the genes to be a genius in an abusive household, most of the time they'll end up worse off than average. Height is the most obvious example of how this works.
>>57345243
Really convincing proofs you got there. Not even a peer reviewed study, just anecdotal evidence from a video.
>>57345472
yeah, that's all that would happen. I think Russia should take over the Baltics before you decline any further. now is the perfect time
>>57345541
It shows the quality of the state.
>>57345577
>If you out someone with the genes to be a genius in an abusive household, most of the time they'll end up worse off than average
lel, no.
>>57345743
So you believe your hunter gatherer ancestors were just as smart as you?
All these threads prove is the dunning Kruger effect.
>>57344979
Estonians confirmed self-haters.
>>57340302
SHIEEEEEEEEET
>>57345855
Hello fellow risk player.
Wuz you kangz?
>>57345776
intelligence vs. knowledge!
if you make the distinction you can argue both ways
yeah, we are smarter in terms of having more knowledge, but the human brain and i believe intelligence as a means to grasp new knowledge has not changed much during such a short period of history
>>57345957
WE
WUZ
KANGZ
N
SHET
NIGGUH
>>57345577
people from low socio-economic backgrounds and abusive households might show low heritability in IQ in the first place
see the 2003 Turkheimer study
>>57345962
True, but brain size has increased in the past century by a significant amount due to improved nutrition.
http://www.ascd.org/publications/researchbrief/v2n21/toc.aspx
>intelligence is 100% genetic, poor people are poor because they are stupid and not the other way around. Malnourished and abused kids with genes for high IQ will still be geniuses!
>>57346072
brain size afaik does not have a strong correlation to intelligence, i have on my own done some cranial to average grade measurements and in fact people with smaller skulls and smaller brains did better (others had different results)
the comical examples from the animal kingdom come to mind with species with brains considerably larger that us, but obviously quite inept at everything
one might even think about it when taking into account the increase in body weight due to better nutrition... it is just ballast mass with no function, but this is just a theoretical thought nothing serious
I don't believe this map. I've looked at world IQ maps before and Australia is always namibia-tier low apparently due to aboriginals scoring very low
Did this one factor them out or something?
>>57340855
>Chile
>>57345996
t. Norway
>>57346230
>intelligence is 100% genetic
not even strong hereditarians would say something like that (or at least would put it in such terms).
these discussions are worthless anyway, we'll find out most of the alleles responsible in a couple decades, there's already some work being done
>>57346301
Those maps that you saw evaluated the IQ of the native population, not that of the current, modern day population.
>>57345776
average brain size downgrades over past 50 000 years, so yes, I believe that
>>57346248
The ratio of brain size to body size gives a rough idea of intelligence, or else obviously whales would be the smartest animals.
>>57346383
Well >>57345743 doesn't believe people with the genes for genius would be hindered by a bad environment.
>>57346433
brain size has a positive but weak correlation to IQ. also selection has operated on all human traits in the last 50k years, including intelligence so until we can test ancient remains for that sort of thing we can't assume anything like that
>>57340302
I'm fine with this. I'm in Washington which has one of our highest IQ rates. Fuck the retards in the south.
>>57346646
>>57346564
sorry I have no proofs in english, but for russian antropologists that fact is obvious
>>57346712
>retards in the south
you mean niggers?
>>57346740
Russian anthropologists don't know (have no way to know yet) the IQ of ancient humans so it can't be a 'fact'
>>57346502
i don't believe that. i think intelligence is somehow engrained into the structure of the brain. i think it is the structural composition of certain brains to be able to create new neurological pathway more easily than other and so be more adept at generating intelligence.
just like natural born sprinters have a different muscle fiber composition to their muscles than natural born heavy lifters, the brain is no different. it is the material of our body so it MUST be similar to the usual muscles.
>>57346798
archeologist and anthropologist have long drawn attention to this. the ancient humans, after the explosive growth of the brain when we started eating meat (yeah, take that fuckign retarded vegans) left us at the exact same point where we are today.
feral children for example have been studied and they are able to learn everything the modern society born individual is!
>>57343833
why?
>>57346798
there is two main points
>iq and brain size correlates
>brain size downgrades over at least last 25 centuries
Ofc in terms of modern intellgence it cannot be a fact because iq is modern day invention that only fit with modern day humans
>>57347047
what is this downgrading effect? where can i read bout this? i am somewhat proficient in russian.
>>57347047
proofs in russian
http://antropogenez.ru/article/493/
>>57346928
I'm not getting your point. clearly you seem to agree that brain size on its own doesn't tell the whole story so it tells us nothing about ongoing selection since then
Ashkenazi Jews became the smartest population on the planet in a few hundred years via selection and I don't think their skulls are particularly big
well of course feral children would be able to, they're modern humans too, not ancient humans brought back to life
>>57347047
I'll read it but what you said compares modern populations who have undergone selection since then to ancient populations.
the correlations are between *modern* individuals (and they're still relatively weak), not between modern smaller-skulled and ancient bigger-skulled ones!
really, something like this will only be solved when we find the relevant alleles and test more ancient genome
>>57346790
The whites are even worse desu
>>57347220
i think size does matter, but it is not the No1 factor
for instance, i have not yet read about this downgrading effect, but i think it might be possible that after a burst of growth an organ reaches some level of size and then "consolidates" through natural selection or in other words becomes more efficient by using a smaller size to reach the same level of knowledge required by the environment or ...
>>57347117
The article specifically mentions species from the Paleolithic and then Neanderthals, no? Homo Sapiens skulls remain somewhat unchanged over the last 10 millennia. Elephants and whales have the biggest brains and they are not especially bright.
>>57347459
Why m8?
>>57347475
the ants don't have a very large thinking structure at all, yet they build pyramids and have complex social hierarchies...
>>57347615
You would just have to meet some deep south white rednecks to get it. It's a seriously fucked up culture.
>>57346433
https://www.ted.com/talks/james_flynn_why_our_iq_levels_are_higher_than_our_grandparents?language=en
Modern Americans have an IQ 30 points higher than our grandparents generation.
>>57347692
haven't watched this, but does it boil down to us having more "stuff" around?
>>57346928
I said roughly for a reason. Brain structure obviously has a lot to do with it too, which is partially how homo sapiens sapiens won out over Neanderthals despite Neanderthals having bigger brains. But brain structure is similar enough in mammals that the ratio of brain size to body size can give a rough estimation of intelligence.
>>57347735
Basically he's saying that the cognitive requirements of everyday life have caused us to become more adept and abstract thinking.
>>57347884
ok, cool, i'll watch it when i get out of my cottage inflicted data cap :D
>>57340423
IQ measures potential, not actual knowledge you mongoloid.
>>57348070
I took an IQ test given by a psychologist. The language part of the test definitely measures some acquired knowledge. Which is partially why IQ tests are controversial, translating the language part into different languages might not produce and equivalent test.
>>57347692
yeah, the Flynn effect is pretty interesting and there has been no agreed-upon explanations on what *exactly* it is or what causes it. start here for a thorough examination
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2404239
>>57348210
don't push that argument too much, it's wrong for various reasons
>>57345145
But we actually wuz romans and painters
>>57345145
it is not we wuz if it's actually true you fucking retarded kfc nigger
>>57350112
You don't speak Latin. You don't worship Jupiter and all that. You don't even have an empire. If you're Roman, Italian Americans are also Italian.
>>57340423
>niggers have low score IQ
Ahahahahah subhumans
>chinks have higher IQ scores
FAKE! FAKE! SAGE THIS THREAD! FAKEEEEE! IT CAN'T BE TRUE!
>>57343077
>Estonia
Lol, irrelevant frozen shithole inhabited by subhuman slavs
I'll pass.
>>57344008
Mfw the most succesful Italian astronaut is Sardinian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Schirra
>>57340302
A bit stupid China is that colored. Whoever did this knows shit about Statistics and its metrics. I wouldn't discuss about Japan's.
>>57348070
You just showed us you're a freaking moron. First of all, you're not understanding that other message, which isn't quite difficult to read.
Second, assuming that IQ measures potential (it does), by your comment it seems you suck at basic Statistics and don't understand the freaking metrics and just talk by your race prejudices. What the other guy said it's completly logical.
>>57340517
I like your point, you really know why you're telling this haha
>>57340423
it's a known fact that chinks always cheat.
>>57340302
>Slowakia
>>57351926
The source of that map is johnny weaboo at home + mspaint, hombre.
Why are people using statistics on average IQ in mathematics and displaying it as an overall average IQ. Is everyone in 4chan so retarded that no one knows how to use fucking google. Seriously people, always check your sources.
>>57340554
off yourself, leave my country
>>57352264
and it's known that every nation will do anything it can to bump up it's scores in anyway it can and fudge stat collection.
It's been known schools in the U.S school suspension rates bump up before any major testing occurs.
>>57346402
not even that, see >>57340543, it's just made up, racist shit.
>>57346433
women have smaller brains and they aren't dumber than men.
>>57340302
>Ireland
hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
>>57340543
>>57345011
This, actually. Which is the reason why North Koreans are that high, for example.
>>57352815
The source of that map are Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen. It's still bullshit, though.
>>57343147
>Gay-Ass, Ecuador
>>57340302
iq and wealth of the nations is a terrible source for these maps, it does not reflect reality
>>57354928
By making the IQ of malnourished and poor North Koreans the same as wealthy and well fed South Koreans, he's probably deliberately trying to downplay the role of environment/education. North and South Korea do have vastly different education systems too.
>>57343008
>leaving smarttugal intact
YOU
HAD
ONE
JOB
>>57355014
You jelly of a third world you fatfuck
>>57355233
>his flag is another country's flag with some scribbles on it
>>57344634
butthurt obsessive 24/7 "estonian neet who got his gf fucked by some italian waiter in tallinn"-posting continues
Now post the /int/ version of that statistic.
>>57355291
good morning, i see you have literally spent the whole night being buttmad about me, this is so good, you're like my little fanclub
>people takes IQ measures seriously
>>57340302
IQ by state
>>57357734
post the one about educational attainment and restrict it to whites only.
>>57357734
>Be Me
>American South
>IQ 150
>Mother 130
>Father 140
>Sister 120
>The rest of my family, save my grandfather and uncle, are all retarded
We're like aliens here
Save me
>>57340302
>Sudan is still one country
This map is over five years old
>>57357029
>>people takes IQ measures seriously
says low iq person
>>57357795
Better move away and marry someone smart or your genes will be as non-existent as they are useless in the south
>>57357774
Here's college attendance rates
>it's a blacks and spics desperately pretend genetic effects are minimal thread.
Face the facts my less than average friends. Especially now that world hunger is dropping substantially, the environment is becoming a more minor and minor part of your intelligence.
Anybody remember when black IQ started climbing up compared to the average only to plateau?
fixed map
>>57358004
commo's can't be smert
>>57358031
>New Zealand trying to be funny
speak american wtf are you saying what's a "commo"
>>57358004
t. Takeshi
>>57358142
t. huang deng liao the college professor no one likes or fucking understands
>>57358182
t. Jeong-wu
>>57357995
>it's another /pol/tard ignoring the Flynn effect
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-15point.htm
>>57358182
You mean t. Ivan? I called you Takeshi for giving Russian territory to Japan on that map.
>>57358031
Honestly we can't say for sure about China.
I highly doubt they would keep their idiots in public for a test like this.
Considering areas of the country that aren't coastal have a higher chance of having lower IQs I wouldn't be surprised if they were lower on the board.
>>57357995
> Especially now that world hunger is dropping substantially,
wut. World hunger is still a big factor and agriculture is taking huge hits from global climate change (massive hits)
>>57358297
Another retard who doesn't understand that the flynn effect is dying out specifically because hunger is dying out. Nice try.
>>57358553
Another retard who doesn't understand the article I just posted.
>>57358350
>climate change
t. ijorwadimbrl*click* from Tanzania
>>57358587
and here is the wild American shit poster in action.
>>57358690
sweden
YES
>>57358580
You're article doesn't say anything but attack IQ gap studies.
It also doesn't defend against all the recent studies showing that the flynn effect is slowing and completely stopped at many places.
Stop being retarded and write out exactly what you think instead of just posting links you googled.
>>57358736
It did not attack IQ gap studies in general, it didn't even deny a gap exists. It attacked the poor methodology of the Pioneer Fund and showed how they exaggerated the actual gap by using bad data. It also showed that the IQ gap is still closing in America, where there hasn't been a hunger problem for a long time.
>>57353164
t. Chang
>>57357841
Both sides of my family have been in the American South since the 1800s.
I'm one of the most truly Southern people there are.
>mfw my iq is higher than my home country and this country
>>57357795
Imagine having an IQ of 130 in a third world country.
>>57359167
manipulate stupid people, become a dictator, get money.
>>57359167
Already done.
You forget the part where I said
>American South
>>57359239
I have a question, do you say things like ya'll, worsh (instead of wash), and howdy?
>>57359167
yes, the people who do tend to NOT stay
>>57358815
Now that I've looked through your link I can ensure you the problem is your paper is arguing that the IQ between children is decreasing and it is only using children.
I don't know why you think this blog is important at all. First of it's a blog and second off none of the statistics this blog provided (the ones I could get my hands on) should this trend with continuing with adults.
I think this is obvious but I will say it nonetheless, genetics becomes more important as you age not when you are young. Think back to how girls and boys both develop their unique feature when they grow older.
If you ever read the famous twin studies you will note how IQ tends to become more similar with age.
Also, I don't know why the hell you don't consider attacking methodology with attacking gap studies. This isn't even a technicality, they are attacking gap studies. The IQ gap isn't closing fast among adults. Only children for obvious reasons. You can speculate otherwise but it doesn't matter because the trend should continue with adults but it fails to do so recently.
>>57359717
>pointing out that the Pioneer Fund (which doesn't peer review) study specifically excluded studies that compared people of the same socioeconomic class is attacking gap studies as a whole
Also you don't really have a leg to stand on for disregarding blogs (which I don't even know if that's what it is, and it's well sourced anyways) when you have posted zero (0) sources. None for your initial claims, none for refuting the source I gave.
>all EU countries let them go to the average school
>disgusting mongols only let iq researchers into the best schools and hand picked best students
So what portion of IQ is genetic? Is it 50% environmental 50% genetic? Or more genetic?
I'd like to see some twin studies
>>57359239
I say "y'all", but that's about it.
It's weird. My family's been here forever and I was raised here, but for some reason, I have a plain midwestern accent.
No idea from where it came.
>>57359956
Are you serious? Ofcourse you are attacking gap studies. You are attacking murray and co's studies?
I get the point you are trying to make that you don't deny its existence. I will make that assumption for you don't worry.
Here is one source to discredit your blog again, in case you didn't believe me.
http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FTHG%2FTHG16_05%2FS1832427413000546a.pdf
Sorry if it is messy but I'm working on shit and even though I'm busy working on shit i'm not so lame as to link you to some opinionated garbage and use that to defend my own points.
As much as your blog discredits others it is pretty bad too as it appears.
Now mind you what I am arguing for doesn't have a lot of empirical evidence for yet because as I described, because the flynn affect is slowing for whatever reason, I also reason that the narrowing of the gap will also stopped soon. I am trying to find some exact studies that show the differences between adult and children IQ for blacks but you're own sources claims that the gap is persistent for adults anyway if it is using children.
At the very least you must admit that your refutation was wrong and that I simply lack evidence now.
Italian master race. Mussolini was right.
>>57340302
>The wealthiest people have the highest IQ
>2016
>almost 2017
>still believing on IQ
Please, you guys remember me of the casual cancer of /sci/
>>57360631
>The people with the highest IQ become the wealthiest
FTFY
>>57360564
I got an error trying to open that PDF, can you post a screenshot of the relevant section?
And no, my source clearly showed that the data used in The Bell Curve and the other gap studies was disingenuous and pushed by "scientists" who clearly have an agenda.
Anyways, I can see by the your tone that you're getting mad with me (from the beginning you just referred to everyone that disagrees as spics and blacks, you can't just accept that people disagree with you based on the data) and are making excuses like you're "busy". Goodnight.
>>57360756
All the paper showed was that IQ heritability increases with age.
"The Wilson Effect: The Increase in Heritability of IQ With Age" by Bouchard.
You could just google it. It's not a amazing revelation.
Your study also has an agenda and says that they can't explain the gap. Most of their argument actually comes from criticizing studies and not there reasoning too. Not to mention Murray it criticized for not using children study and "dismissing them." I don't know when your blog made that but I'm pretty sure Murray has used my same logic now adays about children.
I also feel like you are trying to cheat here by saying I'm making excuses, then making an excuse to leave.
Saying I am getting "mad at you" all of a sudden when quite early on I called you a retard anyway (so did you might I add). If tone is important to you, you really shouldn't be on 4chan anyway.
Also, I am busy if you couldn't tell by how long it takes to respond to you. I am rushing this one because you said you are leaving.
This is why I hate arguing with blog spammers. They never back their own arguments. All they do is just google blogs and other stupid shit.
The moment I bring up a source that discredits their stupid blogs they just stop posting.
>>57360951
>has an agenda
>openly admits it can't explain everything
If it had an agenda, it wouldn't say that. It would say that we know for sure the gap is not genetic. And why have you STILL not addressed the point about the gap studies that specifically excluded children from the same socioeconomic level? Can you not address that criticism? And no, I can stay on longer if you really want. You just say retarded things like "world hunger isn't an issue anymore" with no source because you believe in over simplistic /pol/ memes.
https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html
>tfw /int/ is LITERALLY /pol/ lite
>>57361054
I didn't say world hunger isn't issue. I said it is going down drastically and that because of it IQ heritability should go up.
I am saying that the reason the IQ gap was so large and the reason why IQ seems to increase dramatically over time is because world hunger is going down. World hunger ofcourse being one aspect of environmental factors that are huge to the development of IQ.
Other factors include severe abuse or not learning a language.
Once aspects like world hunger and abuse go down, the gap rate should become much smaller.
This is because there is in an inherit gap between people.
So are you seriously asking me for a source that world hunger is decreasing?
I don't know what I expected but I am definitely not linking you something for this.
Finally, why are you asking me to defend studies I didn't make or even begin to cite? If you know anything about Murray it is that he works with tons of amassed studies. He, like the very biased blog you quote, make mistakes and try to push things that just aren't reliable. Like your blog did with saying that children are representative of the gap when the science says specifically how wrong that is. You need to give me some time if you want my own sources to critique.
Just look at your blogs home page. There is no respecting reason why you should ever post that shit and claim other people are pushing an agenda.
>>57361325
Yes, I do want a source that hunger is going down. The population is rapidly increasing in Africa.
You're misrepresenting the data in the source. It compared test results from schools in the past to modern ones. There is less of a gap between the black and white children of today than there was when society was more racist.
Just come back to me when you've pinpointed all the genes for intelligence that are less common in blacks, please...
>the people who actually study human evolution and psychology and stuff as a profession by and large aren't /pol/ tier about race
>/pol/ things one infograph proves them all wrong
>>57361428
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0VDoaXaIou8MTJlZ1RscWl6MGs/edit?pref=2&pli=1
Here, finally is a link that shows the gap is not narrowing among a non-children demographic.
This is not mentioned in your source. This is seems pretty reliable. The IQ GAP shrink is not shrinking nearly as much as measured for 17-year olds, not children.
Take a good look at this graph because this sharply makes your blog out to be extremely deceptive. It cites how IQ has increased from the 70-90s but fails to mention that the entire growth only occurred during that time.
Seriously, look at your source. None of it's own studies track past the 90's!
These are done for teens in the education process. Not teens who are in crushing poverty or anything.
If you also look at the first study I gave you, it should explicitly shows that the environment affects children's IQ a lot more than it ultimately does for adults.
What does this all mean? Not that environment doesn't affect us. More so, that there is a distinct, genetic difference in intelligence between the races.
Almost ignored your hunger stupidity. Think, why is the population rapidly increasing in Africa in the first place?
>>57361718
So your proof that the gap is genetic is that you don't can't explain all of the gap? Gee, that's really intellectually honest...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.brookings.edu/views/papers/dickens/20060619_IQ.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj-kbWMvfTLAhXhtoMKHSBhDCwQFggnMAQ&usg=AFQjCNGng2dh0i_83TSzuO3MXI8iWWhDgg&sig2=TDwsUBYLl_3SN_Znupv21Q
Anyways, this study used data from the late 90's/early 2000's.
Do you have any studies that have located the specific genes responsible for the IQ gap? Or are you going to continue to use proxy measurements to conclude that it is genetic?
>>57361718
Oh, and in the TED talk I posted by Flynn himself, the reasons he proposed for the Flynn effect had more to do with education and day to day life than nutrition, I don't think he even mentioned nutrition at all. You're going to need a better explanation than it's just hunger.
This map is bullshit, show me the sources.
>>57361832
You see, I was right.
This is why posting links is stupid. You didn't look at your own study you just posted it regardless. I can't really look to deep into yours either.
You didn't respond to my study either to boot.
Nonetheless I looked over your paper. Why the fuck is it using airforce statistics?
Also it is using children is its studies again.
The only one that seems alright is the binet test (which goes to 2000) and notice how they only rose 1 1/2 points in it!
Finally notice the most important difference between mine and yours. Your study (from the graph at least) only showed 3 points. So we have no idea if he picked data points that favor him because it randomly ticked up one year.
My study is segmented deeply and you can see exactly where it goes up and down on.
You've posted to bad sources now. Lets stop doing this stupid shit since it obviously doesn't matter to you how good the source is, you just want to win.
I would also like to ask you whether or not you think evolution is reasonable provided how little direct evidence there is of that. Do you believe in global warming? I am just trying to size up how retarded your standards are.
>>57340302
>>57340344
>>57361718
Lack of education, birth control and medical advances.
>>57362307
It used children and adults, because studying all age groups is important. And regardless of if the gain was only 3 points, it still shows that the gap is closing. Maybe it can close faster once we understand all the environmental contributing to it. And you still haven't posted anything but proxies to determine that the gap is genetic. To prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is genetic, you need to identify the actual alleles responsible.
And yes, I do believe in evolution. The fact that humans evolved a malleable psychology to better adapt to changing environments and that the mrca of all humans is only ~200,000 years ago combined with the fact that gene flow never stopped on a large makes me doubt that genetic differences in psychological traits are significant on a large scale between populations.
Intelligence coincides with better education and higher standards of living? No shit Sherlock!
>>57362336
>Vanhanen
>Finland is highest
