Hey lads.
Why is Russia so poor and undeveloped when it's the whitest country in the world?
Seriously they have a shit ton of natural resources and a very old culture but they are still undeveloped.
Why?
>>57332025
70 years of socialism
Western sanctions
>russians
>white
>>57332025
>whitest country in the world?
1. Brazil and USA have a larger number of whites
2. most European countries have a larger percentage of whites
Because they're asian.
you shouldn't have start this topic. You are young and joking. This is not the same. This is not Chikatilo and not even the KGB documents. You better not go any deeper. I'm serious, everyone of you will be sorry for this. You better close this topic and forget whatever was written here. I clearly understand that by saying this i will attract more attention, but i want to warn the inquisitive ones - stop. The others wouldn't even find.
>Russia
>white
>>57332394
>Brazil
>white
Not even half
Russians are cursed forever because they signed a pact with the devil to create communism. They are doomed to hellfire and they know this, which is why they all drink themselves to death.
>russia
>white
>russia
>russian
enjoy 16% of the population being muslim shitskins
Most white country would be Poland.
It may come as surprise to you guys, but being surrounded by white people doesnt equal crimeless paradise in which everyone strives to better the country
>Why is Russia so poor and undeveloped when it's the whitest country in the world?
Russia has gdp per capita higher than many EU cucks in Eastern Europe.
I don't think Mexico is in a place to call another country "undeveloped" you dumb spic.
>>57332694
Makes no sense to drink yourself to death just so you'll get to hellfire faster.
>>57332025
>Seriously they have a shit ton of natural resources and a very old culture but they are still undeveloped.Why?
Because they cut themselves with their edge. Don't they think they're so superior and moral to the rest of the west? Now lay on the bed you made.
>>57332735
Did I say something about Mexico being delevoped?
You're just bitter because of your microscopical cock.
>>57332025
Because they are a bunch of paranoid and complacent peasants.
>>57332894
Shut the fuck up. I'm not Asian.
>>57332769
it makes sense when you realize that communism made Russia worse than hell.
>>57332025
Hitler even said that Slavs were inferior. He was right
>>57332912
This the average russian in basically a serf
>>57332110
If not 70 years of socialism, Russia would have been Africa-tier shithole (although it's already so in some aspects).
>>57332110
This. The Revolutin destroyed everything good in old merrie Russie.
>>57332025
Communism happened just as it was really starting to get industrialization; they were a late bloomer in that regard because of how ridiculously rural and spread out their population was + because of their system of serfdom, which meant that anyone with power wanted farmers and not workers.
The Communists didn't produce anything of value, rather they just produced to meet production quotas. A lot of their basic industry (garments, cars, etc.) sucked dick. Most of their wealth came from extracting raw materials, especially oil.
Nowadays things haven't really changed too much. Russia's still focused on exploiting their natural resources and immediately marketing them rather than transforming them into viable, respected products. The status quo is difficult to change because, again, anyone with power doesn't want it to change.
Trade with Russia is also ridiculously difficult (I do most of my business with Russkis). Their customs guys and taxmen are extremely corrupt; no one is going to invest in a business in Russia and build it up over the course of 10 years only to have a corrupt government official with connections walk in, imprison you for 'tax fraud' and confiscate your property on a whim. I know several people to which this has happened, one of whom was tortured in a Belarussian prison for 60 weeks before he escaped into Russia. Their customs officials always try to fuck you unless you bribe them. Plus, sending money out of Russia, i.e. buying things from abroad is EXTREMELY difficult. All transactions >$50,000 have to have a stupid amount of documentation attached in order to send the money; the smallest error will result in at least a week of delays as the bank re-checks your documents. This is ostensibly to prevent capital flight and tax avoidance, but the real effect is simply to make life an absolute hell for Russians. The system is designed in such a way that the only people who can compete are the ones who are already established in power
>>57332025
>>57332951
No, but you do have a micro-penis.
>>57333414
Wow, a thoughtful and knowledgeable post from an american. Now I've seen everything.
>>57332025
Eastern Orthodoxy and Communism
>>57332025
>whitest country in the world
hahahahahahahahah
russian are literal turkic/mongolian rape babies
>>57333414
Their banking system is also retarded. Everything is done in paper rather than electronically; there has to be paper copies for absolutely everything. It would be funny if it didn't make life as difficult as it does.
Also, Russia in general lacks liquidity, meaning that it's extremely difficult for companies to get trade financing or funding in any way, including letters of credit and bank guarantees from Russian banks. This means that a lot of deals with Russia (assuming you're not dealing with the larger companies) is done simply on the basis of a contract rather than using escrows, making things sketchy; most people like having a third party guarantee in there somewhere. However, such third party guarantees are extremely expensive, to the tune of 3-4% of the total cost of the goods, which in trade terms is a VERY large amount.
If someone reneges on their contract with you, good luck dealing with Russia's legal system. It's corrupt as well and I highly doubt they'd find in favor of for example a European company if they took a Russian company to court, nor would I imagine in the unlikely event that a verdict was rendered in favor of the plaintiff, that such a verdict would be enforceable.
Currency's also been unstable recently, which makes things hard; Russians don't know when they should buy and when they should sell. Waiting one month could make a difference of 10%+ in terms of exchange rate value.
tl;dr is that Russia's extremely corrupt and their government policies and infrastructure make it very, very difficult for Russian companies to do business.
>>57333414
Saved this into my favorites
>>57333656
Don't envy so loud, shitskin.
>>57333656
I don't know why anyone with a skin colour resembling human feces would talk about white or not white
>>57333062
>Russia would have been Africa-tier shithole
Not really. Development would reach even Russia.
>>57332025
>whitest country
That doesn't have much to do with the topic.
Anyway, it's because of communism.
>>57332025
Moscow is pretty developed
>>57332025
Resources give you nothing desu. So we have sparesly populated mostly cold land that suffered hostility and wars by every its neighbour.
>>57333880
Only Moscow and nothing else.
>>57333719
What need to do fix it? But, please, don't offer another revolution.
>>57333833
The is no such thing as "development". Lybis was more developed 10 years ago than it is now for example. Or see at South Africa. The world will go to hell in our lifetime.
>>57333880
Lol no.
>>57333927
What about Saint Peter's?
>>57333656
Fuck lad that dog is gorgeous.. :3
Am I a bad person if I didn't give shit about the kid due to the dog?
>>57332025
>whitest country in the world
O'rly? Srsly?
>>57333414
>>57333719
Some japanese pasta, as I remember.
>>57333414
>>57333719
I thoroughly recommend these posts.
Also for anyone really interested and not just meme'ing, a rather lengthy article. Good reading.
>http://www.mckinsey.com/global-themes/europe/how-russia-could-be-more-productive
>>57334070
Since Sobyanin came to Moscow Piter is starting to look worse than Moscow. Sobyanin is reallt cool.
>>57333979
Russia will be a prosperous good place to live in our lifetimes I have hope, nobody leaves a revolution and is okay in just a few decades
>>57334110
>pasta
Yeah, makes sense. No american would ever write anything this intelligent.
>>57334192
Joke of the day, right here.
>>57334070
Maybe it's ok but full of bydlo, drug addicts and alcoholics.
>>57334409
t. Moscow citizen
Russia was also shit before communism, in fact it had a decade of relative prosperity under commies in the 70s. You conveniently leave out the fact that the czar was pretty much universally hated before the revolution, and another czar was assassinated 30 years prior to that. Life in the empire was even worse for many.
>>57334280
Recessions don't last forever m8, you will grow and living standards will improve
>>57334192
>Russia will be a prosperous good place to live in our lifetimes
Nope. For that, Russians would have to change and become more like the West. But every dictator in Russia knows this would be the beginning of the end of his reign so he keeps the plebs paranoid and the smarter ones hopeless.
>>57334192
Thank you, Irish bro :3 Truly love you, guyz, especcially your music and history.
>>57334566
You hate it, cuz in the days of the Empire baltic region totally ruled by local germans.
All your little ungrateful nation appeared when Russian acquiescence and goodwill, you should be grateful to them for that.
>>57333939
I have absolutely no idea how this would come about given the current state of Russia, but 80% of your problems would be solved by removing the oligarchs and getting someone like a Russian version of Saakashvili in power, someone's who's serious about getting rid of corruption. It's strangling Russia. God knows Putin's not going to fix it. You especially need a reliable, unbiased legal system so that companies can have legitimate redress when people do illegal shit to them. This is the foundation of any successful society. Again, absolutely no one is going to invest in Russia when stuff like this happens:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermitage_Capital_Management
The other 20% is just liberalizing your economy. Make it easier to send and receive money, lower your fucking GST (24% is stupid)and/or make it simpler and quicker to get GST refunds for exported products; currently I have to wait 6 months to get my money back, for comparison China is usually around 2 months. You could try creating SEZs along the Chinese model, for example encouraging manufacturing areas near supply nodes, you could lower corporate tax rates along the Singapore model, you could try a Chinese model of partial VAT tax export rebates to encourage finished products instead of raw materials... lot of different stuff. Foundation to all this is a strong legal system and market liquidity. People with money hate instability and lack of protection. That's a large part of the reason why people like doing business with the west instead of just pouring all their money into Africa or Pakistan.
Again though, I have absolutely no idea how this could occur in Russia barring the oligarchs and top government officials all dying in a plane crash or something. The powers that be are firmly entrenched and don't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon.
Maybe based Ramzan Kadyrov will just call a fatwa on everyone :^)
>>57334229
>intelligent
I mean... Extremely outdated, I would say.
>>57334965
There is no such thing as "baltic region", Ivan, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are very different from ethnic, historic and cultural standpoints. In fact there never even was a significant german minority in Lithuania. Besides, there is no reason to get salty about my comment, I was merely stating the facts.
>>57332025
It's what happens when jews overthrow your tzar, rape the treasury down to the last golden coin and start ethnically cleansing while they enforce a tyrannic regime
russia is a fun place, for real men, not pussy hairless fuckbois
We are constantly under pressure. We have inner enemies who make it almost impossible for us to rise and shine. Plus vodka, lack of personal initiative etc. But these inner enemies are the main reason. It may sound stupid and childish, but it is ugly truth. Stalin was desperately bashing them and still didn't succeed. Now they prosper more and more every day.
>>57335102
An exhaustive answer, you are completely right. I'm surprised your awareness.
There is one underlying causes of all this, but it is difficult for foreigners to understand it. The fact that Russia - not a national state of the Russian people (which is 83% of the total population). This is still a smaller and rather poor quality copy of the Soviet Union, because of the authorities - is still the same party nomenclature. Hence, appropriate for russians to disregard it and all it's problem.
>>57335466
You need to back up your knowledge. The administrative system of the Russian Empire was the concept of "Ostsee governors", which meant it was a joint Baltic region. And, yes, the influence of the Germans weakly depended on their population.
>>57334965
I can't understand if you are being serious, but here's a +(You).
During the imperial days, yes, there were a lot of Baltic-Germans here, though calling them Germans is a bit iffy. I for one come from one such lineage of Baltic-Germans, but living here 600 years kind of makes us Estonians more than Germans. Probably even more Estonian than most Estonians living here now.
And really, back then there was really good relations with Russians. Especially between the intelligentsia of Piter/Lensk how ever you refer to it. Engineers from here, Russia and even France and other Western countries did some really great projects together. Some even made it to the World Expos and such. Life was pretty ebin with all the industrialization going on and wealth flowed here rapidly. The Jews fucking loved spending time here in regions that are now being re-populated by wealthy Russians.
And the goodwill... no, we fought you in a war and beat you.
Now! Music time! Composed in his favorite little city in Estonia. Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScmgiXAsm4
>>57335102
>oligarchs
But there's no such thing in Russia anymore. Ok, just name 3 so called russian oligarchs in your opinion?
Because Putin steels all the money and gives it to his friends...
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/panama-papers-money-hidden-offshore
>>57335841 Several years ago they shouted about $200 billions of Putin's monies. Now, where are they? Any account numbers? Anything?
>>57335841
lol Jewtin
At least he didnt fool Assad for long.
He caught on to his tricks
>>57335635
>not a national state of the Russian people
Welp, you're just dumb.
Read names, really helpful:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пpaвитeльcтвo_Poccийcкoй_Фeдepaции
>>57335841
wtf i hate russia now
Fuck off.
>>57335676
Great music, thanks.
>no, we fought you in a war and beat you.
Not us, but the commies.
For truly, non-soviet russians would too little honor to fought you, after they bought you from Sweden for 2 million thalers in 1721 .
>>57335969
The Soviet people do not have identity and nationality. That is why Russia has not yet introduced a visa with Central Asia and will not call them to Europe, although it would be the most logical step.
>>57335951
Yeah, 2 billion isn't that bad for the great job he does.
>Now, where are they?
dunno, ask Putin. he will know.
>>57332025
Soviet shit
Zar was shit too, but way better than Soviets...
>>57335635
>administrative
is another way of saying artificially imposed. Even if what you're saying is true (it's not, I can't even remember a single notable german family name from lituanian history under imperial rule) and russian empire did have a disproportionately large number of german officials, it's completely irrelevant. Lithuania and Poland had a number of unsuccessful revolutions while being a part of Russian empire, that and our subsequent independence has nothing to do with german or russian officials or your goodwill. We simply never wanted to be a part of it.
>>57336230
Soviet Union collapsed few years ago, allegedly.
>>57336230
That was a "compensation" not a sale. Do not try to play us for trade goods. You know that is not the case. It was all about the grains and the rights to import/export them. Btw, good deal actually. When the farmers began to buy out their lands and mansions from all the profits they made from pure grain and beer/vodka to the Emperor the Swedes I think must have been very pissed off about the whole situation they were forced into.
Because despise what ameriburgers like to spam being the whitest country doesn't automatically make it the best one
>>57336477
>We simply never wanted to be a part of it
I can make allowances for the fact that you are from Lithuania, a country with a rich history indeed. Nevertheless, Russians rather help you get rid of the Polish dependence and helped break disadvantage Union. And then return Vilnius back to Lithuania after WWI. I think it was quite mutually beneficial.
>>57336689
Ok if you say so. In fact, I do not know such details. It's all in past though.
And thanks for music again, I can't stop listening it's.
>>57335722
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Mordashov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Sechin
(I'm including Sechin here because of Rosneft)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Zubkov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gennady_Timchenko
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yury_Kovalchuk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Malofeev
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkady_Rotenberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Romanovich_Rotenberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagit_Alekperov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Aven
^Alfa bank is a shitty bank btw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Deripaska
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Fedun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Fridman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gutseriyev
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alisher_Usmanov
Among others.
>>57336977
No problem. I can't stop listening to the Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov.
>>57337400
You have good taste, I've found and added it to Favorites too.
>>57332025
They are dominated by violent thugs who stand in the way of progress. Sound familiar?
>>57336977
The Commonwealth didn't work out too well for GDL, I'll admit that. I'm not sure if I agree that severing ties with Poland worked out to our favor in the end, it's a complicated question, and thanks to the actions of this fine lithuanian-polish gentleman, a pointless one to ask at this point. I just wanted to point out that I don't hate Russian empire, in fact our part of it was doing better than the rest, so there's no reason to be too spiteful.
>>57337712
>he doesn't listen to medieval Spanish music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utmr5jERCQ8
>>57333062
Ridiculous. Russia was european superpower back then
Communism ruined Russia
It destroyed the people, the land and the economy
>>57337128
Notice the general theme with these guys. I bet if you show a list of those names to someone they will recognize one or maybe, and this is a very big maybe, two names from there.
>>57338055
If you were the last Lithuanian poster, then yes, you are correct. The so called Baltic special order did not extend to Lithuania as it was more of a Northern Estonia + "Livonian" thing. It took time for this to develop and you had your own league. Beginning most likely with the daughter of Gustav Adolph being an incompetent retard at ruling her "owning" which left the door open for the local merchants to effectively run the land while de jure the Swedes were in charge, but de facto everything was ruled by local guys.
>>57338282
>>57338316
fuck off with your stories which have nothing to do with reality
>>57333414
Also our system is extremely corrupt don't confuse us with Belarus yet. It's them who torture in prison.
Also this doesn't stop serious corporations like Ikea, McDonalds etc.
>>57338395
Kek, if the Russian Empire led the country normally, Russia would look like a decent, average European country in 2016
But you underwent something like 100 years of communist dogshit instead
>>57333062
The Russian Empire was actually doing alright, especially in the years leading up WW1; 1909-1914, the industrial sector was growing at ~5% per year.
>>57333288
>MUH MONARCHY
>WE WUZ BOYARS N SHIT
>>57338395
Russia in XIX century
The whole world reads Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, listens Chykovsky. Beautiful cities are built
Soviet Shit XX century - no culture, no architecture
>>57338553
>>57338569
I agree with these gentlemen. The Empire had a lot of problems, but they were not worth the destruction of the country and ten million lives.
Even more insulting, that we were the objects of the experiment on the strength of the communist system.
Stupid mexican i thank god everyday that kremlin bitches still let me travel to the world, browse the internets and live in my separated little world out of government. Last year they banned turkey and egypt, last two years they banned european food which i liked.
Fucking russophobic soviet union where kikes emigrated to USA/Israel/other countries without any problems still exists, Russian Federation still rules by soviet people and still remains russophobic.
>>57338553
> a decent, average European country in 2016
It would not. Russia would likely have looked like India or South Africa if not commies.
>>57338761
Russia in XIX century:
>cucked by autocratic inept rulers
>nobles learned french because they were ashamed to speak only russian
Russia in XX century:
>prevented Nazi victory
>instilled national pride in a diverse region
>created a superpower on par with the US
>failed due to partial-cucking by autocratic inept stalinist rulers
>almost saved by Gorbachev
>>57338981
We shouldn't have prevented Nazi victory.
Sorry but 27.000.000 of russians are more important than get a FUCKING KONIGSBERG DUDE WE GOT NOTHING BUT THIS PIECE OF CLAY FUCKING POLAND WAS LIBERATED BY US AND GOT WHOLE EASTERN PRUSSIA LMAO
>tfw a massive human experiment ruined all of Russia
>>57338761
Some of it is alright. Notably the artists who were not directly employed by the regime and produced more "abstract" and hard to understand symbolic works. You can't keep a creative mind down by threats of camping trip!
>>57338981
French was a "World Language" back then unlike now. It was expected of anyone cultured to speak it. Nothing to do with shame anon.
>>57338761
>>57338569
It was a rotten, corrupt and backward state where feudalism was still existent and which had no future. Bolshvism became salvation for Russia. All these things you just stated mean nothing.
>>57339286
>It was a rotten, corrupt and backward state
And it became even more rotten and corrupt
>>57338981
>cucked by autocratic inept rulers
The natural hierarchy was preserved. These rulers were educated and yes spoke french like mother tongue simply beacuse they could. Not some fucking peasants
>almost saved by Gorbachev
You are certanly misled about that. Gorbachev is no liberal and no communist. He is just a weak man who attempted half assed reforms which quikly spiraled out of control.
>>57339200
1. 27kk includes not only russians but all soviet citizens.
2. That war was not about taking Konisberg, you're reasoning like a kid saying that.
>>57339200
>Generalplan Ost:
>"The plan entailed the enslavement, expulsion, and/or extermination of most Slavic peoples in Europe"
LITERALLY WANTING YOUR PEOPLE TO BE EXTERMINATED
>russia yes
>>57332025
Because whites are snow niggers, they need shitskin refugees and immigrants to enrich them otherwise they fail into degeneracy and poverty like Russia.
>tfw Russian streets would've been lined with beautiful European architecture
>so many more writers, poets, artists would've been created
>instead a nation full of ugly shit depressed brutalism dogshit happened
>>57339345
USSR was neither rotten nor corrupt (maybe with the exception of the late period).
>>57339286
>2016
>still protect a gommienism.
Wake up, dude, that's gone, and it was a one big mistake.
>>57339263
The double shame that we seen what happened during French Revolution, and we've nothing to learned from that.
>>57338981
>cucked by autocratic inept rulers
By the way soviet was even more than autocratic it was totalitarian you fool
>>57339390
>These rulers were educated
And they lost everything to uneducated bolshevik masses. Such an irony!
>>57339534
>it was a one big mistake.
Russian Federation is a bigger mistake actually.
>>57339588
It was czar who fucked things up. He was mentally challenged-tier (just read his diary) and the times were tough
>>57339455
generalplan ost is a myth created by soviet monkeys
>>57339588
You mean trained latvian riflemen?
Do you know the reason because czechs were so good in Siberia? THEY WERE THE ONLY SKILLED SOLDIERS THERE
>>57338553
Russia did not even ban serfdom until 1819, they're a backward and autocratic society - always have been.
What makes you think they would modernise at the same rate as the rest of Europe?
>>57332025
Do you want a serious answer? You have to understand Russia geopolitically. It has historically sacrificed prosperity for the sake of security. Had it stopped expanding beyond the Urals, the country would have experienced the 19-20th century prosperity that other countries have. Instead the western population has taken the economic burden for subsidizing the eastern lands. This has allowed the country to triumph over Napoleon and Hitler, but the quality of life has not changed.
I feel like I've already tried to explain this many times on here, so here is a good video to watch that hits the same points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE6rSljTwdU
>>57338493
>Also this doesn't stop serious corporations like Ikea, McDonalds etc.
Few things with those types of companies: they're vendors, which means that the only investment they need is in personnel and an infrastructure to support the sale of their product. In both cases, this means that any investment they make will likely just be retail outfits, warehouses and transport depots for their goods. This isn't investment on par with, say, constructing factories or creating demand in high skill industries. It's just the sale of basic consumer goods. While Ikea to my knowledge likes to source its food products from local sources, they do not produce anything in Russia. McDonalds on the other hand buys all of their raw materials from western markets.
These are also very, very large corporations, globally known brands. They're harder to knock on a large-scale, although petty corruption is still an issue for them. It's made then reticent to invest in Russia in the past.
>>57339390
>the natural hierarchy was preserved
holy shit, are you seriously arguing that cucking of the peasantry is the natural process?
>Gorbachev is no liberal and no communist
"Twenty years on, former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev still "deeply regrets" the demise of the USSR"
At least he tried to reform, if he wasn't liberal, he would've gunned down Yeltsin, Tiananmen Square-style
>>57339703
>logical nazi strategy based on the myth of aryan supremacy was a myth perpetrated by my peo- I MEAN SOVIET MONKEYS
>"Ehlich was the man responsible for the drafting of Generalplan Ost along with Dr. Konrad Meyer, Chief of the Planning Office of Himmler's Reichskommissariat for the Strengthening of German Nationhood"
>>57339718
Austria-Hungary banished the serfdom in 1849, and Russia in 1861. But Austria and Hungary european cultural country unlike Russia. That's not the root of problems.
>>57339703
No matter how bolsheviks won, the point is what they completely defeated and slaughtered those "educated" rulers.
>>57339696
White leaders actually were no better than him.
>>57339766
>subsidizing the eastern lands
Are you serious? Subsidizing the oil/diamond/alluminum/gold lands?
The only big investment it's Transsiberian railway I guess.
>>57339696
Nicolas II was a fucking idiot. Reading his biography was actually painful. I think Sergei von Witte characterized him as being 'afflicted by a strange sort or nearsightedness, where he is completely unable to see the effect of his actions beyond the next few days'. I think that was in response to the Czar agreeing with the revolutionaries to convene a Duma, and then a few months later stripping it of all legislative power after the revolutionaries calmed down.
Which then, of course, got them pissed off again and then there was the whole 'Russian Revolution' thing.
>>57339955
Yes. They SLAUGHTERED. There was a country VERY slowly turning into Europe. There was a very thin fragile layer of educated people in a country. And then commies just kill one half of these people and force to emigrate other half.
>>57339780
>, if he wasn't liberal, he would've gunned down Yeltsin
He's weak, that's what he is. In the end of USSR he traveled to some distant town. And his men traped him there refusing to provide plane. Beta as fuck
>>57339771
MD actually markets itself now as selling russian-produced food. Like 80% of all they sell. Those who want monies push through. Still yeah, there are plenty of corruption scandals
Russians are just haters. There have a strong anti-american presents and you can see from all teh flag burning they do to the red white and blue but you don't see the good ol US burning russians flag. Why? because we are not haters.
They just mad becuz we be living the good life eating all the food we can eat in buffets.
Face it, american culture is already a virus spread across the world and a virus cannot be killed it only continues to grow.
hahahh do all the burning you want you anti-american fools fire cannot kill a virus.
>>57339961
We were good allies. It was a good days.
>>57340108
Oil has only become a source of profit in the very recent past. The state has always had to subsidize the cost of food and goods being transported to the east, as they would starve without them and Russia would lose its strategic outposts. Because the infrastructure is limited to the trans-siberian, without heavy assistance from the government everything would be simply unaffordable. Had you abandoned everything east, the country would literally be poland. The video i posted goes into more detail.
>>57340213
>MD actually markets itself now as selling russian-produced food. Like 80% of all they sell. Those who want monies push through. Still yeah, there are plenty of corruption scandals
That's really good if that's the case. I don't like seeing you guys get fucked. Russian history is just one long chain of people rebelling for their freedom (Mongols, Pugachev, Old Believers, Sibiryakis, Commies, etc.) only to end up being thrown even further into oppression. It would be nice if you guys came out on top for once.
>>57340213
>i-i'll greentext a quote that has no correlation to the counterargument i will write so that people will think i disproved my opponent
He's not weak, he chose to reform the state instead of sitting back and letting the state fuck up like all other "tough" party members. He left because he saw that he had no control over Russia after Yeltsin started pulling that "Capitalisms gib mony" bullshit.
>>57340372
Looking at this picture and reply I remembered how the once biggest textile manufacturing plant in Europe was built.
There were our engineers who didn't have enough money or quality manpower so they got in contact with wealthy Russian investors, someone provided some contacts to German mechanics, a British industrial architect was brought in to create a landscape reminiscent of the revolution and a French guy who was tip top tier at structural engineering. They all sat down and created a Colosseum of industry never seen before... those were the true /int/ days.
>>57340536
>It would be nice if you guys came out on top for once.
We were for once.
Also
Does anyone know the reason for the Soviet Unions rapid GDP increase?
Was it rapid industrialisation? Couldn't the Russian Empire have done the same thing?
>>57340157
Nothing bad about slaughtering aristocratic and bourgeoise scum whoich, in spite of being educated, were actually quite useless.
>>57340729
No, you were pathetic serfs serving the German blooded emperor speaking French. Anything in Petrograd was run by Baltic Germans who were Germanized Estonians and Latvians. How does it compare to the Vepsian Pootin?
>>57340730
I'm gonna take a wild guess here so don't shoot me...
hyper-inflation.
>>57340636
Even now he kisses Putins ass all the time. E.g. in Ukraine-related affairs
>>57340729
>that bit of persia
bullshit
no manchuria either
or romania
>>57332025
>he whitest country in the world?
the memes have gone too far
>>57340730
Prior to the Soviets, basically everyone was living on farms. The Soviets were able to mobilize a lot of people and shove them into factories.
The GDP growth was mostly due to labor utilization and industrialization (muh tractors).
>>57340729
and yet all of that shit would badly lose a 1v1 war with teensy little germany there
>>57340945
But Tovarisch, Putin's assistance in Ukraine is something that one can actually stand behind on.
He's not a kiss-ass, there was a notable incident in which he denounced Putin by telling him to not be afraid of his people.
>>57339926
Having a large middle-class is important for any democratic, thriving society. Per capita, Russia had one of the lowest numbers of people in the middle class at that time, the UK and the Dutch were at the other end of the spectrum (Poland as well I think) and excelled at trade and had a more equal society.
>>57340834
>German
>French
>Estonians
>Latvians
>tons of other nations
This is exactly called an empire.
>>57341034
>badly lose a 1v1 war with teensy little germany
You forgon a teensy little Austria-Hungary and teensy little Ottoman Empire.
>>57339926
>Russia in 1861
Not really. They just swapped the political chains for economic ones.
>You have your freedom! But now you have to pay off a massive debt to the aristocracy
>How?
>By working their land until you die.
>...
>>57341083
Everybody is fucked as a result of Ukraine besides Putins persona himself. Face it. And Gorbachev as a politician knows this
>>57340961
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Russian_Entente#The_Anglo-Russian_Convention_of_1907.5B2.5D
Why you always get involved in affairs of the Eurasian continent?
>>57341168
It is not surprising, given that 85% of the population were peasants. But, for example, China's outflow of farmers into the city helped raise industry. It might work in our case too.
>>57341463
>Gorbachev
Is he still prominent in Russian internal politics? The man is already a mummy isn't he? Almost 90 years old or something.
>>57341283
Was the debt inheritable?
>>57341566
He still does some appearances but he is very unpopular/hated
>>57341177
Did you know that if you acted more like US regarding civil liberties, you would have countries lining up to be part of your empire? Or are countries turning away from you in favor for Brussels which is a dump?
>>57341909
All features have been messed, it's meaningless to talk about it. But, yes, I suspected.
>>57341798
No, it was supposed to be paid over a 49 year period, but that said, debt payments were so large than anything peasants produced was swallowed up.
>>57334192
>Russia will be a prosperous good place to live in our lifetimes
What makes a western country, is that you can actually life a comfy modern life, in the countryside.
What makes a third world country is that civilization stops at the city border.
Russia is somewhere between those.
>>57340425
>>57339766
?
I don't think you understand what east Russia is, or why its underdeveloped so it has to be subsidized.
Or why its a issue to subsidize it.
>>57334566
>and another czar was assassinated 30 years prior to that
well, this one was killed by a Pole - Ignacy Hryniewiecki, not by a Russian
>>57332025
they are literally niggers of white race
>>57341566
I thought gorbachev was dead
>>57346808
So did I, but he's still alive it seems. Going on 85 now.
