They don't speak a North Germanic language
They were historically the victims of Vikings, not Vikings themselves
They have a culture derived from the Uralic peoples, they have more to do with Estonia than Sweden
Why are they considered Nordic and not their rightful Finno-Ugric title?
>sami non included
finns call theirselves "suomi" which is obviously related with "sami"
fins are southern samis / samis are northern finns
>>57284369
Nordic and Finno-Ugric are not mutually exclusive
cause they're rich n shit
>>57284369
I think you confused Nordic for Scandinavian.
>>57284369
Russia ruined the rest of the Finno family desu. They were the one who managed to escape the liberators with minimal damage.
>>57284556
>>57284495
But what makes Nordics and Finnics alike? One is an Indo-European Germanic group, the other is an Uralic group, each with different I origins, languages, past religions, and relations.
Finland is so different from the rest it's amazing.
>>57284556
Nordics are in Denmark, Greenland, Iceland, Faroe Islands, and others I believe. It's a cultural term, with Finland as a clear outlier.
>>57284369
Finland was considered Baltic before WW2, But then the Baltics fell for the Soviet meme and Finland joined the Nordic council after that.
>>57284732
Finland is the westernmost end of Northern Eurasia so figure out.
>>57285107
funland memes
>>57284732
-We were part of Sweden for 600 years and Russia for a 100, which obviously left its mark
-There never really was an unified Uralic culture, we have the same origins and many cultural similarities, but also many differences
>>57284369
because they have the flag
They were part of our country for 600 years
>>57284790
Are you seriously trying to imply Finnish culture is remarkable distinct from Swedish, Norwegian or Danish? They were part of Sweden for 600 years m8 and had to revive the Finnish language.
>American education
>>57285603
the joke is on you, none of the countries you listed have any remarkable culture so yeah, they are indistinguishable by and large
inb4 >estonia
yeah, neither do we, i know, so don't even bother replying
>>57285603
Finland feels helluva more eastern because it is.
>revive the Finnish language.
What part did i miss?
>>57285857
i think anon probably had in mind the thing about written language not being a thing till relatively late in european history terms
>>57285927
Because the need for that came late too so it correlates.
>>57285603
Not really revive, the vast majority of Finns always spoke Swedish. Only some upper-class families adopted the "ruling culture" with Swedish names etc. The "revival" just meant having to create a Finnish literary culture from basically scratch (spoken poetry, folk stories etc.)
>>57286152
>spoke Swedish
meant finnish wow am i tired
>>57285396
You were owned by Swedes for 600 years, you didn't become Swedish.
Norman conquest didn't make us culturally French.
Cause they are rich and one of best places to live. They could be niggers and speak japanese but because they are so high level people lump them together
>>57284454
Well no not really. Samis have a very distinct culture from us and are not genetically close to us either.
>>57286242
No one cared and did their own things, see.
Those are not comparable.
very short and very graphic explanation
>>57286242
Typical burger post.
>>57286508
>>57286545
>falling for this shit bait
>>57286801
That's what I meant by typical burger post.
>>57284369
Because they culturally became Nordic. Even if they are the most unrelated compared to other people in Europe.
>>57286980
>>57286801
What am I missing or doing wrong here?
Honest to God, if I'm wrong I want to know why. It's just that Finns seem very non-Nordic when you get to the heart of it.
>>57287187
In what ways did they become culturally Nordic?
>>57287204
While our traditional culture and origin is different we follow the Nordic model to the last letter.
Did you know we have Lesbolutheran priestesses?
>>57287204
it's not so much about culture, more like the "model"
> the Nordic model of economy and social structure: market economy is combined with strong labour unions and a universalist welfare sector financed by heavy taxes. There is a high degree of income redistribution and little social unrest.
try not to think about nordic as something very distinctive culturally or even historically, it's basically just an umbrella term for marketing the northern region as a place you as a potential worker or investor can feel safe with your assets...
>>57287378
Pretty dumb to use a cultural term for a "model" term.
Makes sense now I guess.
>>57287291
So "Nordic" is some neo-modern term for social democracy found in Northern Europe, and not actual North Germanic culture?
>>57284369
There weren't any """"""""""vikings""""""""""". There was an activity called viking, which meant looting and pillaging neighbors across the sea.
>>57289510
No. Its just that those countries share very similiar system on hiw their countries work and you cant call them Scandinavia cause of Finland. They also happen to be in a north. Nordic countries.
>>57285107
>fell for the soviet meme
>>57287252
Lutheran religion, Swedish laws of which some are still in place, Same kind of holidays (midsommer etc.)
Why don't you give examples where are the major cultural differences?
>>57290097
Finland is not North Germanic. It's like when Poles claim to be not Slavic.
>>57291207
And where did he say they are germanic you retard.
>>57291207
We don't claim to be genetic Germanics or Scandis.
Where do you put the Swedish speakers in Finland?
>>57291388
>>57291304
Nordic is a cultural term, and Finns are not culturally North Germanic, not in history, language, and only recently in religion.
>>57291501
Its mainly geographical term.
>>57286242
Finland wasn't "owned" by Sweden, Finland was a part of the Swedish motherland.
>>57290097
Your people never was Asetro, which have played a huge part in our society's up untill this day. Finnish people are fine, but you're mongols, not Scandinavians/germanic.
>>57291646
>Swedish motherland.
Africa, sweet Africa..
finland is considered nordic because if you excude the language an american burger like you wouldnt notice any notable differences between sweden and finland
>>57291501
>let me tell you about your culture
This whole fucking thread
>>57291713
Yes, we're not Scandinavian, but we are a Nordic country
>>57291765
Gold m8, fuck Sweden.
>>57291880
>but we are a Nordic country
Yep, agreed - thanks for the debate, I guess.
>mfw retarded american fell for the finns are not white meme and now is looking for reasons to differentiate them from most white region
>>57291501
You must be talking about times before 1000AD for other than language.
If anything, Finland is just its own group but that would be ignoring reality.
Why is this so important to you?
>>57291713
> not Scandinavians/germanic.
Nobody is claiming that.
The culture happens to be pretty close to Swedish due to close contacts.
> but you're mongols
Which would make you negroes or sand niggers. Just as fair comparison.
>>57284454
Suomi comes from suomaa which means swampland
Finnish is nordic and also I'd like to extend that nordic sphere into other areas of europe and russia. Would anyone want to take moscow before next winter with me?
>>57293378
It doesn't. It has the origin as Häme, how fucking much does that sound like Suomaa?
>>57293552
go ask the french, they are up for wacky stuff like that
>>57293378
>>57293567
No one knows for sure, actually. Some say it's from suomaa, some say it's from the word "suomu" (scale(s) and that it referred to people that wore scale armor or something.
>>57287187
why didn't they include Italy and Grease in the map ffs
>>57291880
>>let me tell you about your culture
Then tell me! I want to know.
>>57292009
I'm not saying they're not white, I'm just not understanding how they're culturally the same.
>>57292140
How are they culturally the same? I haven't seen any evidence to the otherwise.
>>57297213
I really don't know what to tell you. I have homes in Turku and Stockholm and there's literally no culture change coming and going. Only the language changes.
>>57297213
Maybe visit the Nordic countries some day, assburger-chan.
>>57292140
>Why is this so important to you?
Because I'm curious and confused
Why are you so defensive?
>>57297319
Perhaps, but what can you tell me now to help me understand, with examples?
>>57297286
What is similar about them? Simple things like food and attitude?
>>57284369
I don't give a fuck but I don't want to be associated with those homosex cucks
>>57284732
>But what makes Nordics and Finnics alike?
I guess that would be a mutual understanding of basic principles about human rights?
You know, our friend in the east might not always get it :DDDDDD
>>57297472
Yes, yes. Customs, social behaviour.. just general human interaction. Social customs... everything.
>>57293552
gibe karelia and we are in
>>57297594
>a mutual understanding of basic principles about human rights
That's not culture, my dude
>>57297762
Is this strikingly different than elsewhere?
>>57299379
certainly different from Russia, which Finland shares a long border with. It's one of the biggest cultural gaps in Europe.
>>57295190
They included Sardinia tho.
>>57299597
and the 2nd largest income gap in the world, right after dominican republic and haiti
the former finnish areas in karelia are now economically below average in russia when they used to be one of the richest areas in finland
What can Finns tell me about Karelia? Karelians have their own language and they were under Russian rule. How did Finns consider them?
>>57284369
>victims of vikings
hardly. there weren't really raids here except for at the end of the viking age, and finnic tribes raided them just the same.
>>57300073
the people who live in karelia now are just russians. after the wars we relocated 400,000 karelian refugees into finland, incredibly. back then you could give a man a slice of a shitty swamp in the middle of nowhere and they would work to make their living from that.
>>57300073
if you want some little know history about the region there was the time finns formed bands and went to liberate them armed with hunting rifles and kalevalas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat
>>57286445
Actually they are very genetically close. Lrn2DNA
>>57300819
Holy shit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Finland
>>57300073
In terms of history Karelia is like Finnish Kosovo, Finnish Ulster and Finnish Iceland combined.
The green area on your map was completely un-Finnished during the war. Nowdays it's like the Polish and Russian parts of former Prussia with virtually no pre-WWII native population living there. The Orange area also had its share of Russian cleansings, not nearly at the same level tho.
