>people in """""""""""""""first world"""""""""""""" countries can be arrested just for paying for sex
>>57256021
SAUCE
>>57256021
If it's on video then it's just porn, which is legal.
Checkmate, Thainigger.
Ay yo how much for a thai hooker?
Yeah whatever, rolling name.
>>57256021
>People in """"""""""Thailand"""""""" can pay for anal only to receive it in the ass
>be Thai
>get fucked in the ass by a dickgirl
>>57256021
>People in first world countries have to pay for sex because women are unbearable.
>>57256032
rey casting video
>be thai
>get fucked in the ass by fat sweaty british men
>>57256021
Not in my country they cant
>>57256021
>Murrica
>first world
nice try, ladyboy
>>57256021
not here
>"""""first world"""""
>assisted suicide is still illegal
>>57260672
>needing assistance
fuckin amateurs I swear
>>57258346
post
>>57256021
>can be arrested just for paying for sex
Pretty much just Sweden, the US and Britain though. Because those are totalitarian states that like to dicate what everybody likes and does not like..
>>57260672
Isn't it just America and Ireland that get all fussy about that?
>pic related
Anyone remember this fucking insanity?
>2016
>paying for sex
>>57260994
I don't think there's any country in the world where you can just go and pay some doctor to put you down. Or something like suicide booths. There really should be.
>>57261047
>I don't think there's any country in the world where you can just go and pay some doctor to put you down
>'It doesn't exist in America so it cannot exist'
It does though. Admittedly, It's not like walking into a doctors office and being lethally injected mere hours later.. There's a long process, with doctors, psychiatrists and second opinions.. But it happens. There are specific procedures, clinics and medical teams that specialise in euthanasia in this country.
>>57256021
why is this image so fucking arousing god damn I could jack off looking at this what the hell
What's the difference? No one of us is going to get laid anyway.
>>57261047
>>57261123
See:
>Termination of Life on Request and Assisted Suicide (Review Procedures) Act took effect on April 1, 2002. It legalizes euthanasia and physician assisted suicide in very specific cases, under very specific circumstances.[3] The law was proposed by Els Borst, the D66 minister of Health. The procedures codified in the law had been a convention of the Dutch medical community for over twenty years.
>The law allows medical review board to suspend prosecution of doctors who performed euthanasia when each of the following conditions is fulfilled:
>the patient's suffering is unbearable with no prospect of improvement
the patient's request for euthanasia must be voluntary and persist over time (the request cannot be granted when under the influence of others, psychological illness or drugs)
the patient must be fully aware of his/her condition, prospects, and options
there must be consultation with at least one other independent doctor who needs to confirm the conditions mentioned above
the death must be carried out in a medically appropriate fashion by the doctor or patient, and the doctor must be present
the patient is at least 12 years old (patients between 12 and 16 years of age require the consent of their parents)
This actually also applies to mental illnesses.. If you're deemed to be extremely depressed, or have some other condition that completely takes a way your ability to lead a happy life, they might grant your request for euthanasia. There's at least one case known of a women in her 40s or something that had extreme hosophobia (fear of dirt, germs, etc.. to the EXTREME) and spent all her waking hours cleaning, scrubbing, disinfecting ect. She got tired of that, and doctors agreed that her quality of life was terrible without prospect of improvement, so she was euthanised in her own bed surrounded by a few friends, medical professionals with plastic covers over their feet to not trigger her condition in her last living moments.
>>57261123
in netherlands healthy adults can assistant suicide themselves?
>>57261419
No, not healthy adults. But people who want to kill themselves tend not to be healthy, as having a deathwish in itself is somewhat of a mental issue.
But if you wish to die, you can present your reasons for that to a commission of medical professionals, and your request might be granted.. About 2.400 people a year are euthanised in this country, out of a 140k annual deaths. Not counting palliative sedation and stuff like that.
>>57261775
>people who want to kill themselves tend not to be healthy, as having a deathwish in itself is somewhat of a mental issue.
What about just having a shitty life? Consider the possibilities, Wouter.
>>57262066
>What about just having a shitty life?
Then you'd probably just be nudged in the direction of counseling and such to improve your life. One of the criteria for granting a death-request is 'unbearable suffering with no prospect of improvement'... That requires some kind of structural issue inherent to the patient, beyond being a miserable shitposting autist that cannot get a girl.
>Consider the possibilities, Wouter.
Why don't you just shoot yourself in the head or hang yourself if your hate your life but are otherwise healthy, anon? If your reasons for wanting to die are not medical, why would you expect medical professionals to interfere?
>>57256021
>born in a Japanese man
>work so hard in office.
>ur wife doesn't work at all.
>share the salary with her.
>get laid with her.
>arrested.
>>57262209
>Why don't you just shoot yourself in the head or hang yourself if your hate your life but are otherwise healthy, anon?
Same ends? I'd be paying a consenting doctor/business to kill me instead of paying for the gun. In any case society more or less condones suicide at this point, so it doesn't make sense that a functioning adult can't just pay for that service. If both parties are willing then it comes down to it being a purely emotional ethical issue.
>>57262219
Film it so it'll be legal
>>57262953
>Same ends? I'd be paying a consenting doctor/business to kill me instead of paying for the gun.
So you're either too pussy or too greedy to buy a gun and shoot yourself in the face of all your misery? I think it's a good think doctors won't help you kill yourself..
> In any case society more or less condones suicide at this point,
Not really.. Euthanasia only takes place in very specific niches in most places where it's even allowed. It's also far from controversial, even here.
> so it doesn't make sense that a functioning adult can't just pay for that service. If both parties are willing then it comes down to it being a purely emotional ethical issue.
It wouldn't make sense that a perfectly function adult would want to die though. Your hypothetical situation is just that: Hypothetical. And again, if you're really a perfectly functioning and healthy adult, you should have no trouble just killing yourself, by yourself.
>>57263630
>So you're either too pussy or too greedy to buy a gun and shoot yourself in the face of all your misery?
You keep trying to turn a question of logic into some kind of dumb personal attack. There's no good reason for it to be illegal. That's the thing I'm saying.
>It wouldn't make sense that a perfectly function adult would want to die though
Functional adults in the eyes of society. They would have to fight and pay for whatever treatments they need to live contented, successful lives. As it is, the youth suicide rate is climbing pretty rapidly, and there's no awareness campaign or reform aimed at doing something about it. We have suicide hotlines you can call, but they'll only point you to the ER where you'll be locked in a MHU for a week or so and then charged for your time and released again.
All I'm saying is that a person with the capabilities to pay a consenting doctor for euthanasia should be able to do so. You're able to pay for a slow death in the form of cigarettes or krispy kremes. We allow personal freedoms to go so far until something like religion gets in the way. But if you're really going to say "just go buy a gun and do it" then there's no logical reason you should disagree with making it a professional service.
>>57256021
poor thing, am i the only one ITT who want to hug her and take her shopping for shoes?
>>57264479
>You keep trying to turn a question of logic into some kind of dumb personal attack.
That's just how you interpret it. I'm just saying that in your scenario of healthy, functioning adults wanting to kill themselves there really is no need for any kind of intervention by a medical professional, as killing yourself is not diffuclt at all.
>There's no good reason for it to be illegal. That's the thing I'm saying.
Except that assisted suicide simply meets the definition of manslaughter or murder in most legal systems, and as such there needs to be some kind of exception for it to be legal.. And since there is good reason for murder and manslaughter to be illegal, repealing that just to make assisted suicide possible under all circumstances is not logical.
>We have suicide hotlines you can call, but they'll only point you to the ER where you'll be locked in a MHU for a week or so and then charged for your time and released again.
What you describe seems to be much more indicative of problems in the US regarding (mental) health care than some wider spread global or western phenomenon to be honest..
>All I'm saying is that a person with the capabilities to pay a consenting doctor for euthanasia should be able to do so. You're able to pay for a slow death in the form of cigarettes or krispy kremes.
With all due respect, you're kind of an imbecile if you think that that is in any way comparable..
>We allow personal freedoms to go so far until something like religion gets in the way.
Or, like in the case of euthanesia in most legal doctrines: Laws againt homicide.
>But if you're really going to say "just go buy a gun and do it" then there's no logical reason you should disagree with making it a professional service.
Except that there's a whole mess of ethical, legal and practical problems that come into play when you start letting medical professionals more-or-less kill people whenever they're asked.
>>57264889
You're an idiot for not being able to see the similarities. That's all it comes down to: it's an issue of personal freedom. Of course there is currently no legal protection NOW, but that's exactly why I'm arguing about this. It could be as simple as a short stack of forms for both parties to fill out and keep on record and after that point there's no reason anybody should be worried about legal repercussions.
>you start letting medical professionals more-or-less kill people whenever they're asked
>muh slippery slope
everything is a slippery slope
The only thing you need to know is that if a legal adult is in charge of his own affairs, and is able to consent to military enlistment, or shooting bukkake videos, or putting your husband's severed thumb in a cup of chili and then bringing a restaurant chain into court over it, there's no decent reason why this freedom shouldn't be available. What you're saying is that you willingly concede freedoms to the government because they don't seem ethical to you. It's not as if every doctor has to start putting people down but if he has no moral problem with offering that service and there is some demand for it, why is that so controversial?
I mean, see it from another angle. We have federal laws criminalizing use of marijuana and you surely see that as being ridiculous. Laws like that and the alcohol prohibition are ones that can't be explained with reason. And if your only reasoning is that "murder is always illegal right now", that's just what I'm saying is the problem! State governments here are already regularly using death penalty sentences and that isn't even a hot button issue.
wtf is this wall of text
>>57266102
>You're an idiot for not being able to see the similarities. That's all it comes down to: it's an issue of personal freedom.
Except you already have the personal freedom to kill yourself. What you want is to involve people that are not yourself, so it goes beyond your personal freedom.
>Of course there is currently no legal protection NOW, but that's exactly why I'm arguing about this. It could be as simple as a short stack of forms for both parties to fill out and keep on record and after that point there's no reason anybody should be worried about legal repercussions.
You really think making it possible for people to literally sign their own life away in a simple procedure is a good thing? Really?
>nobody should be worried about legal repercussions
Kek. Until it's decided that the document is void on some technicality. Suddenly your medical professional is guilty of murder... Or the family of the deceased holds the doctor responbible for loss of income or something similar, and starts a civil suit. Again: There'd be a whole plethora of legal and practical involved with killing people based on a single contract without a lenghty procedure.
>everything is a slippery slope
I never said it was a slippery slope. I said there are ethical, legal and practical issues with the scenario you describe. Not some other scenario that might or might not occur or be accepted in the future.
>The only thing you need to know is that if a legal adult is in charge of his own affairs, and is able to consent to military enlistment, or shooting bukkake videos,
Again: Nothing stopping this legal adult from just killing themselves, anon.
>or putting your husband's severed thumb in a cup of chili and then bringing a restaurant chain into court over it,
Pretty sure this is not actually legal, even in a litigation obsessed country like the US.
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is this the human rights committee?
>>57266478
>>57266102
>>>/reddit/
>>57266102
>there's no decent reason why this freedom shouldn't be available. What you're saying is that you willingly concede freedoms to the government because they don't seem ethical to you.
Not just me, anon. Societies (especially yours) generally tend to agree that killing people is not a good thing, and should not happen on a whim.
>It's not as if every doctor has to start putting people down but if he has no moral problem with offering that service and there is some demand for it, why is that so controversial?
Again: Because societies tend to universally agree that killing is bad. It's also a universally held belief that having a death wish is not actually healthy, so it makes sense to look further into such a case before you decide to just straight up kill a human being.
>I mean, see it from another angle. We have federal laws criminalizing use of marijuana and you surely see that as being ridiculous.
Not really. There are solid medical and ethical reasons to ban substances such as marijuana. Practically unworkable, but still solid form a logical standpoint.
> Laws like that and the alcohol prohibition are ones that can't be explained with reason.
It's unhealthy (much like death wishes and dying), so the government seeks to fight it. How is that not reasonable? Practically unworkable, sure.. But logical and reasonable none the less.
> And if your only reasoning is that "murder is always illegal right now", that's just what I'm saying is the problem!
Murder being illegal is the problem? Really, anon?
>State governments here are already regularly using death penalty sentences and that isn't even a hot button issue.
It is a hot button issue (as is apparant in US), and it involves countless appeals, judges, lawyers, representatives of States (governors, DAs etc).. It's also a process that takes a very long time. In absolutely no way is it comparable to signing a contract for your own death and simply being killed because of that.
>>57256021
what?
also
>paying for sex
>>57260847
here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th9WjOogezQ
>>57266483
lol the walls of text have commenced
Green - Prostitution is legal and regulated
Blue - Prostitution is legal but organized activities such as brothels are illegal
Red - Prostitution illegal
Gray - No data
Latvia confirmed for one of the few rational countries in the world.
>>57264889
God, I love the Netherlands
That's freedom right there.
