What is your opinion on the cold war and what is the average opinion on it in your country
>>57144352
it was awfully cold.
my grandpappy followed some ruskies around but other than that don't really hear about it in aus
it was basically "its happening" of the 70s 80s
Two of the biggest countries at the time cannibalize Nazi Germany and had a huge dick waving contest that fucked over a ton of countries globally other than themselves.
Probably my favourite era in History
Adults remember it as that time petrol was expensive and America said some stuff while they went disco dancing.
Younger people tend to not know world history beyond WW2.
I know several people who do not know there was a cold war and I did not know until MGS3.
I asked a 25 year old girl at work once if she knew what the Cold War was. She had no clue. She knew all he movies that were coming out that week though. She was also university educated.
>>57146778
>Two of the biggest countries at the time cannibalize Nazi Germany and had a huge dick waving contest that fucked over a ton of countries globally other than themselves.
Fucking hilarious.
>>57144352
It's very important and interesting in the United States. We started learning about it in the seventh grade; the teacher divided the class into communists and capitalists and made us play history games against each other. Kind of fun, everybody wanted to be communists. We would call each other commie scum or capitalist pigs.
>>57146657
this, now that you mention it
many things happened but they were all false alarms
>>57146915
yeah it's funny because it's true
i don't know why the Cold war doesn't count as a WW3. not enough casualties i suppose
>>57144352
we lost because we have a homosexual Islamic communist running our
>>57146778
>I did not know until MGS3
>Irish """"""""""education""""""""""
when Dad was a teenager he thought he was going to die in a nuclear war despite living on a farm in Otago
>>57147071
>we lost
are you russian diaspora or you think the US lost that war? the US won by walkover
>>57147098
Irish history tends to focus on Irish History, we don't care about the Cold War because it did not involve us much.
Other than how the British raped Ireland over 800 years and WW2 there is little else really.
I did a little bit of the cold war in school but it was not much, the Space Race was pretty baller though.
>>57147178
>Irish history tends to focus on Irish History, we don't care about the Cold War because it did not involve us much
The IRA were being funded by the USSR and Cuba though.
>>57144352
Those were the good old days, when we didn't have to pay attention to every Muslim fanatic in the world.
The Cold War started in Europe, then gradually expanded to Asia and by the late 50s had become a global tug-of-war between liberal democracy and the idea of a planned socialist system. This was the first time where technology and communications had evolved to the point where an ideological conflict could engulf the entire planet. In earlier times, conflicts like the Reformation were localized and did not affect anything outside one continent or even all of one continent. Nobody in China had ever heard of Martin Luther, but everyone on the planet had heard of Marx, Lenin, and Mao.
>>57147754
you were funding them though, see >>57147861
speaking of that
>everyone on the planet had heard of Marx, Lenin, and Mao
also heard of Elvis Presley, Walt Disney and Neil Armstrong. both sides were very well represented
>>57147957
Mudslimes were really not a factor in those days though as secular Arab nationalism was the big thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5de6fYWKDWU
0:33 - note the Lenin portrait
Islamofascism mostly came about after the Iranian Revolution and the Grand Mosque Siege which prompted the heretofore comparatively secular Saudi regime to go all-out with sharia law in an effort to compete with Iran.
>>57144352
probably the worst thing that ever happened. two countries made sure to ruin the world significantly, and make irreparable damages, instead of using their influence and technology development to develop the world positively
>>57148189
>instead of using their influence and technology development to develop the world positively
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TECHNOLOGY WE USE EVERY DAY CAME ABOUT THANKS TO THE SPACE RACE?
>>57148188
>were really not a factor in those days
as a matter of fact, the terrorism factor became important AFTER they felt betrayed by the cut of funds, IIRC
>>57148189
Tell that to me
>>57148243
nevermind the Space Race, what about miniaturization thanks to all those James Bond-like gadgets they had back in the day?
>>57147033
Its because there was no direct confrontation between the two belligerents of the war, it was all proxy wars.
>>57148276
Indeed. Central America was torn apart by struggles between US-backed regimes and Cuban-funded guerrillas.
Heck, even WWII brought about a huge leap in technology. If it hadn't happened, we'd be at about a 1960s tech level now.
Once it was over though, the world on the whole became a much freer and more peaceful place outside the Middle East. In 1975, half of Europe was under the Soviet boot, Latin America was full of dictatorships and civil wars, Africa was complete chaos with nonstop civil wars, coups, and dictatorships, and three quarters of Asia was one vast gulag.
>>57148348
But the US also funded a guerrilla in Nicaragua, most of the war crimes were made by the army of my own country, search escuela de las americas.
>>57144352
We should have nuked the bejeezus out of the USSR in '46.
>>57148491
It was ugly and both sides did some nastiness, but then again it's not as if Central America has ever not been shit.
>jungle that was just used by the Spanish for resource extraction and never had any kind of infrastructure or proper governance
>>57148243
americans... once their point of view gets challenged they scream like monkeys
but, my point is more about human development, and not technology itself. neither actively developed countries under their grasp (many) in spite of tech advances
thats why i said:
> instead of using their influence and technology development to develop the world positively
im not denying tech advances stupid imbecile
>>57148254
Kind of but there was also the disillusionment with secular Arab nationalism when it failed to defeat Israel.
>>57148568
>but then again it's not as if Central America has ever not been shit.
Guatemala was a good place before the civil war started, 36 years of war and now the country is a shit
>>57148570
>but, my point is more about human development, and not technology itself
It's almost as if you're so stupid you don't see the relation between the two.
>>57148570
>neither actively developed countries under their grasp
Dudedudedude. We pumped huge friggin' sums of money into Europe, Japan, and South Korea to rebuild them from the ruins of war. Do you even know what the Marshall Plan was?
>>57147697
>The IRA were being funded by the USSR and Cuba though
The IRA was funded by everyone, even the US. Anybody who has or had mild dislike or more for Britain funded the IRA.
>>57148331
point in case i suppose
>>57148642
yeah it's a lot of things, the presence of Israel itself could've been animosity towards US and UK
>>57148710
A couple of drunks in Boston putting change into an IRA donations can doesn't count as US funding of the IRA.
>>57148710
>even the US
Tbf that was mostly just Massachusetts, there's a reason everyone hates them.
>>57147033
Because the only countries that got fucked were us, not them.
>>57148331
Not at all. The rules of geopolitics now changed so that nuclear states never directly fight each other.
>>57148812
I'd say Russia got fucked pretty bad because they lost their empire and went through an entire decade of complete poverty and social breakdown.
>>57148812
not really, you could say that funding all those proxy wars brought their toll upon Russia and Cuba even
It was a diplomatic minefield planted in the middle of a geopolitical shitstorm. It's also the last chance Canada had to build some kind of solid industrial and technological capability that's independent of the US, but we threw that away. I'll never forgive Diefenbaker for scrapping the Arrow.
For most Canadians, it's often regarded as the glory days when we still had done presence internationally as peacekeepers.
Qadaffi also funded the IRA, shit he funded anyone and everyone from the IRA to the PLO to the Shining Paths to the Red Brigades and beyond. The IRA used to actually take boats down to Libya and return with crates full of weaponry.
>>57148697
human development thanks to the technology that came about due to the space race for exmaple, is taking effect right now, past the cold war, in any third world country. while during the cold war, both usa and the ussr hd the direct oportunity to use their massive influence to positively develop those countries, in the middle east, in africa, in sea, in latam.
even right now, it is the relative acquired stability of third world countries that has allowed technologies developed years ago in first workld countries to enter their markets, not the tecnlogy itself.
is it so hard to udnerstand? arguing with a donkey is fucking difficult. let me put it this way, while your country was sipping champaigne due to a moon landing, dozens others were being war torn by your faggotry, and only recently started recuperation
>>57148854
>For most Canadians, it's often regarded as the glory days when we still had done presence internationally as peacekeepers
Wasn't that also Sweden? They kind of struggled in the 90s with the loss of their position as a neutral peacebroker in the east-west confrontation, also because the fall of the USSR had discredited their semi-socialistic system.
>>57148945
>while your country was sipping champaigne due to a moon landing, dozens others were being war torn by your faggotry, and only recently started recuperation
Yes well, you were dirt-ass poor. No shit the benefits took a while to reach you.
In Europe at least, the Cold War was simply part of what was in essence one continuous conflict that began in 1914 and ended in 1991.
>>57148839
Eh they where fine. I talked to a kid in class about his father living in the USSR in Ukraine and how he said how life was fairly OK for his father. And the Russian Empire was 10x worse compared to Soviet Russia
>>57149126
>Eh they were fine
I'd like you to go into a Russia thread on here and say that the Yeltsin years were fine. :^)
>>57148945
>while during the cold war, both usa and the ussr hd the direct oportunity to use their massive influence to positively develop those countries, in the middle east, in africa, in sea, in latam.
And why would/should we? Have you met you people, you're essentially vermin?
Stop feeling entitled to handouts and the fruits of other's labor you filthy nigger.
>>57149182
>exploit half of the world
>'''''''''''''''''''''''''''our''''''''''''''''''''''' labor
Ok.
>>57149168
>the Yeltsin years
But wasn't that AFTER the fall of the USSR?
>>57149182
Like I said, we rebuilt Europe, South Korea, and Japan because our money would have actually gone to useful, productive purposes instead of lining a banana republic dictator's pocket.
>>57149238
Exactly what I said in >>57148839
Russia lost her self-styled commie empire and went through a decade in the shitcan.
>>57149242
>we rebuilt Europe, South Korea, and Japan
because they were missile launch bases against Russia, North Korea and China respectively
>>57149273
I think he literally read your post as "the Russian Empire" and thinks you mean 1917-22.
>>57149273
Oh thought you meant during the Soviet years, sorry m8
>>57149288
We never had any missiles in East Asia.
>>57149182
no you shouldnt, but you did feel entitled to stick your nigger hands in everyones country right?
plus, the cold war only shows that your foreign policy consists of being the niggrest nigger possible. "how can we chimp out the most, while being blamed the least" , the dindu nuffin doctrine. if theres any vermin its you here mate, right now. look at that mirror and be sure your sole existnece makes this world least better.
Now really, what's a more sound choice to invest in? France, Germany or Guatemala?
>>57149353
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i'm actually jealous btw, i wish we had a commie evil country we could be US base against. shit was cash for Japan and West Germany
>>57148957
I did not know this. Kinda interesting seeing this from the outside and makes me wonder how and why the shift happened in Canada. I'll have to read up on this sometime.
>>57149370
>no you shouldnt, but you did feel entitled to stick your nigger hands in everyones country right?
Back before WWII, LatAm was contested between the US, Britain, and France. After the latter two lost their colonial empires, then it was a US/Soviet battleground.
The point is, it's elementary geopolitics that the rich industrialized countries farm nigger countries for cheap labor and raw materials. You can see it in how Eastern Europe has been milked by Merkel's Germany for same.
>>57149404
We had nuclear bombers in Japan but not missiles; those were all in Europe in NATO member countries. The USSR after all was a much more immediate threat than dirt-poor China which had no power projection ability.
>>57149450
Switzerland also tried for a time in the 50s to develop their own nuclear weapon, but dropped the idea. Besides, where would they test it?
>>57149638
Israel allegedly has nukes yet IDK where they'd test them in a country that small.
>>57149544
>The point is, it's elementary geopolitics that the rich industrialized countries farm nigger countries for cheap labor and raw materials. You can see it in how Eastern Europe has been milked by Merkel's Germany for same.
And you agree with that?
>>57149664
Dude, Israel isn't a landlocked country. It's suspected they conducted a joint nuke test or two with South Africa in the 70s somewhere in the area between SA and Antarctica (where the WeltMap logo is on the pic) which is a remote area where nobody had much satellite coverage and there was little chance of it being detected.
>>57149709
I didn't say anything about agreeing with it, I just said that's how things invariably work. The Chinese now are colonizing Africa for same purpose.
we won it.
we were the first to regain our independence from the soviet union.
my grandmother was at the protests when the soldiers/tanks came rushing in, plowing through civilians.
but my grandmother would not give up that easily.
the entire time, she was screaming at the russians: "get cucked lmao we're free"
>pic related, tank trying to run over some dude.
>>57149544
so you are vermin, or more like a parasitic tick, because ticks tend to get fat like americans
> ameriticks
> real poli ticks
and how is that refuting my point that the cold war ruined the world further? only a sheltered fuck would think otherwise. but silly me, usa was the only country unscathed by the cold war, of course you are 'sheltered'
unlike europe colonization which left traces of development and culture everywhere, usa just poured money to ruin countries. the nigger touch
>>57147163
> Vietnam war won by Communists
> Chinese civil war won by Communists
> Korean war stalemate
> Afghanistan war stalemate
I was reading through this thread, enjoying myself and learning a about cold war history when my dad walks in, looks at the screen and asks "what are ya readin? anonymous stuff? like the anonymous hacker?"
>>57149868
>Afghanistan war stalemate
Wtf I thought the communist lost that war, then again it wasn't a huge loss since Afghanistan turned into a massive shithole after that
>>57149823
I read that the guy who was the Estonian ambassador to the US in 1939 finally got to return home in 1991 after 51 years in exile. The dude was like 90 or something and he died a few years after coming back.
>>57149866
Yeah all that Marshall Plan aid was really ruining Europe.
>>57149977
Well, the US never officially recognized the incorporation of the Baltic States into the Soviet Union and always maintained that they were being illegally occupied.
>>57149823
Isn't Russia butthurt now because the Baltic states have parades honoring the Waffen SS?
>>57150205
we do? never heard about it.
wouldn't be surprised though, since lithuanians weren't so mad at the german occupation. here's what my grandma had to say about them:
my grandma said german soldiers looked like handsome men, with clean uniforms, standing tall, very polite and always helping out if you asked them. some squad came to her village, asked politely if they could stay (even though they could've just ransacked the place). they slept in the barn, so as not to disturb the daily lives of her family. they had their own portable kitchen (wtf?) and washed themselves every day. some young german soldier had a romance with one of the maids too. also one of them gave my grandmother some candy and a box as a departing gift. wonder where that box went...
as for russian soldiers, they had dirty uniforms, were rude, and looked more like thieves/beggars than actual soldiers.
>>57150205
>>57150517
The Baltic states were always part of the Germanic cultural orbit anyway; for example the Estonian/Finnish languages were first developed into a standardized written form by German pastors trying to translate the Bible.
>>57149638
You don't need open space to test nukes. You just have to dig deep enough. Why was it so popular for middle powers to drop industrial capacity during the cold war in favour of US protection? It's one of the safest long term investment a country can make!
>>57150517
If you Google search "Литoвcкий нaциcты" or "эcтoнcкий нaциcты", there's lots of hilarious butthurt claiming that the Baltic states honor the memory of SS war criminals and there's a dangerous rise in neo-Nazi activity in Lithuania and bullshit like that.
>>57150604
Apparently Donald Trump aims to fix that.
http://nypost.com/2016/03/26/fight-isis-or-we-stop-buying-oil-trump-would-consider-ending-purchases-from-saudi-arabia/
>>57149736
Read about it. In 1979, the Pentagon declared that it had reason to believe South Africa had performed a nuke test either by itself or possibly with Israel (apparently we detected some abnormal radiation level in the atmosphere down there), but Pretoria denied any nuke testing and accused the US of espionage.
Although what happened in the 70s is a bit of a mystery, the post-apartheid South Africa acknowledged that it had a nuclear weapon program, which Nelson Mandela terminated.
>>57150517
Russia was a peasant nation where only one generation before WWII, most people were illiterate and lived like the Middle Ages. No shit their soldiers looked and acted like cavemen.
HAHAHA GET FUCK AMERICAN WE DEFEAT YOU ONCE AND WE CAN DO IT AGAIN
>>57151003
Nice proxy.
>>57150923
yeah, it's true.
it's funny how we all pretend to feel sorry about the holocaust and oppression against the jews (it did happen though, lots of lithuanians willingly went as volunteers to shoot jews) but in reality we don't really give a shit and everyone knows this. we basically low-key LIKED the german occupation. but now we just pretend to feel sorry about it because of the jewish community living in Lithuania who might get offended (like 7 jews living in Lithuania). also to keep good relations with america and israel.
if you asked ANY old person here what they think about the german occupation and the holocaust they'd tell you - oh it was a terrible thing actually no lmao we don't care that much.
>>57151115
It's no different in Hungary. If Merkel put on a swastika armband, you can bet they'd all jump at that shit again.
>>57149182
It was a thing in USSR. We believed we will make live better for others. It works for some shitholes who still living only parasitizing on USSR corpse.
>>57151570
>It works for some shitholes who still living only parasitizing on USSR corpse
Namely Belarus and the -stans.
>>57150205
Russia literally cant have real butthurt after Soviet fall. It was betrayal for the most people like someone took away they purpose and hope. No one give a shit about Baltic. They never considered to be real part of the Soviet. It was like Canada for you.
>>57151615
Look at Ukraine now trying to become independent from Soviet corpse.
