When did /int/ stop being right wing and become a leftist circlejerk?
never?
When rightards decided that previous rightardation was "cuckoldry" and shifted even further to "le true conservatism"
We aren't.
You're just so far down the /pol/ rabbithole anything that doesn't smack of immediate and violent ethnic cleansing is probably too leftist for you.
>>57120346
We're basically /pol/ lite my leaf friend.
>>57120346
when all the people that were shilling for /pol/ went to the bigger audience - reddit
>>57120346
More like why did an anonymous anime image-board get colonized by American-style identity politics bickering in the first place
We are moderate right. Pol is just nazi level
>>57120456
>not wanting to kill Arabs and watch from your Villa in the KZ
Wew
>>57120456
>>57120552
Is there anyway to de-/pol/ oneself?
>>57120525
What do you mean? Left and right wing is present in every country
>>57120573
If you think I have any love lost on Arabs, you are "barking up the wrong tree". I despise them, very likely more than most people.
>>57120613
Get a job.
>>57120616
This whole thing (BBS, texboard, imageboard) started as an alternative to that line of thinking.
Explain to me how it is reasonable to consider an anonymous anime fandom imageboard a premier place on the internet to discuss identity politics?
>>57120613
Yeah, just quit the internet and start reading books. Do you think people just become /pol/ thinkers because they've 'woken up' to the 'real world'? It's a subculture.
>>57120701
>anonymous anime fandom imageboard
that hasn't been the case for a very long time, the other boards started to outnumber weeabos long ago and the 4chan identity changed.
I remember when 4chan was left leaning, then Obama became president and it's transformed into hardcore rightwing shitshow. If Trump/Cruz wins it will go back to being left leaning just to be contrarian.
>>57120792
That actually doesn't change anything about my question.
>4chan identity
Its like the whole anonymous thing just went right over your head or something. I'm guessing you came here after 2012.
Indonesian with no strawberry ice cream left reporting and volunteering for bashing.
>>57120801
Finally someone gets it.
>>57120346
Because 4chan is a contrarian website. Its users think that they are somehow above the average, so now that the majority of people is turning to the right wing worldwide (Trump, SD, Putin, ISIS, PEGIDA, etc...) /int/ards are now going the opposite way.
As simple as this
>>57120701
For me, it might aswell be premier place, nobody i know IRL follows international politics closely, and if they do they have just one opinion.
reddit is bad for this reason, r/thedonald and r/s4p are just hugboxes which only affirm one opinions, they dont present alternatives, thats the problem with internet tb h people surround themselves with only like minded people and are rarely confronted and even if they just resort to ad hominem/ignore it.
Thats just how i feel
>>57120931
Why would anonymity stop people from discussing politics? if anything it makes them more honest in their opinions.
came here in 2008 btw
>>57121034
>surround themselves with only like minded people and are rarely confronted and even if they just resort to ad hominem/ignore it.
This is exactly the culture of /pol/ its ridiculous to claim otherwise as they pride themselves on shutting down "leftards".
You're beyond help if you think discussing identity politics on an anime site is following nternational politics closely
>>57120991
>As simple as this
thank fuck newfags can't see the bigger picture.
>>57121046
I have no problem with discussing politics but that's rarely had happens due to the overwhelming pressure of what a small group of individuals are forcing as "4chan culture". Usually its just /pol/tard right-wing justice warriors like OP getting triggered and baiting. This is not viable discourse.
Well all East Europeans are still right wing althhough their government is rigj wing
>>57120456
This
/int/ is still very much far-right, but it's not /pol/
r/4chan came for le ebin banter
>>57121292
Its funny because the harmless ebin puns and image macros of reddit are far closer to original 4chan culture 2003-2011 than the post 2011 /pol/ dystopia.
inb4 some newfriend brings up /new/ like that place was ever relevant site wide
What? You mean we aren't taking the piss outta both sides here?
>>57121220
>This is not viable discourse
And it never was, 4chan has always been shitposting with a few nuggets of truth. I don't see why anyone outside of a few boards would come here for serious discussion.
>>57121369
>Plebbit the country living up to its namesake once again
>>57121506
Were you even alive yet in 2003?
>>57120715
>literally do this
>take a book of baudelaire from my father
>first thing i see is how jews are evil and we must kill them all
not even memeing i was shocked
>>57120801
>I remember when 4chan was left leaning
sure you do Reddit
at most it was apolitical on most boards
>>57120552
thread ended here
>>57121618
Son I'm way older than you think, probably older than you
>>57120613
grow older than age 16
>>57121506
"Libertarians" were 90% of the "rightwing" in pre-2010 4chan and even then they were mostly just liberals who liked guns (back before these le reddit memes)
>>57120613
Stop living in the basement, or simply grow to be more mature.
>>57121871
Why are you quoting me?
>>57121664
Its unbecoming to roleplay/lie on anonymous board.
You obviously weren't here before 2011. You don't remember the habbo raids, involving more users than not, that were organized to protest racism by habbo mods. You don't remember the Project Chanology. You don't remember the massive campaign against white supremacist Hal Turner.
So stop roleplaying that you do. 4chan was a very different place 10 years ago. Shouldn't hard to fathom, everything changes.
>>57121749
You responded with greentext and an imagemacro and felt the need to say "probably older than you".
Reported for underage all board are meant to be 18+
>>57121928
The worst thing about the chinz is that I haven't moved a single step forward in my life since discovering it 4 years ago.
It's a substitute to reality.
I think some parts of the world should be right-wing and others left-wing
Kind of a special snowflake view I guess
>>57120456
Pretty much
>>57121928
its obvious you weren't if you think that Anonymous wank was at all what made up the site
you're deluding yourself because you think the "left" is always the default.
again 4chan was largely apolitical and pro-freedom,
and it still is, the only difference is leftists today try very hard to eliminate any amount of personal freedom possible
lets not forget all the people 4chan bullied to kill themselves or completely fucked over. Project Chanology was a joke.
>>57121292
t. r/european
>>57122145
Cool. I still don't believe you've been on this site longer than a year two. Also
>you're deluding yourself because you think the "left" is always the default.
What does this mean?
I know that there's several Finnish communists on /int/
feels bad
>>57122034
delet this
>>57122089
This, you always need some commie shitholes like Venezuela so your own lefties don't become too radical
/pol/ has better banter then /int/ desu
/int/ could be as good as /pol/ if it didn't have as many generals
>>57122145
Original anonymous ruined a lot of peoples lives for fun
>>57122260
*hugs you forcefully*
I can't. We eventually have to incorporate genuine elements of our personality into our socializing to achieve genuine acceptance. We need to tie our online and real-life identities
tl:dr; We need to return to being facebook plebians and abandon this vacuum completely
>>57120613
Grow up, probably.
>>57122415
/pol/ is basically just 15 year old /b/ kiddies finally venturing off their first board. It's absolutely rubbish.
>>57122528
I know, it's amazing /int/ managed to be worse than that
I just stopped caring all together.
Constantly being mad isn't healthy.
>>57122429
Anonymous has always been a bunch of role-players with little wider connection to the site
just because you read some old posts on /r/4chan or the encyclopedia dramatica entry on 4chan history or even browsed /b/ a little doesn't mean you know what it was like across the boards
>>57122710
/b/ and the rest of 4chan aren't even the same website. It's amazing how vastly different every other board Is from that shithole
>>57122710
Nah mate, anonymous used to have some real talent and had at it's core a group of hardcore russians that really did fuck a lot of people.
>>57120613
>Is there anyway to de-/pol/ oneself?
There is no /pol/ ideology, there are libertarians, socialists, sjws, nazis, christians, generic conservatives, various nationalists etc.
The only unifying thing really is the adherence to conspiracy theories and simplified understanding of events. Like reducing the complex causes of WW1 to "it was a conspiracy to genocide Germans by Anglos"
The cure for conspiracy theory thinking is to read real books on the subjects. Although some conspiracies are partly or fully true
The cure for fake statistics ("England is 40% muslim", "Americans are all mulattos and Chicanos", "80% of my country hates immigrants") is to find sources for real stats and post the links each time a fake stat is brought up.
But the big problem with /int/ and /pol/ are role-playing and heritage arguments. Like adressing each other as countries, accusing other posters of "causing that war in 1853", taking credit for things their ancestors did after hundreds of years, as well as feeling guilty for past transgressions, or referring to countries and history as "we" and even role-playing as a military or government "We will invade you and take back our clay!" or "We will nuke you!" or "We don't want ____ people in our country!"
>>57122849
>/b/ and the rest of 4chan aren't even the same website. It's amazing how vastly different every other board Is from that shithole
This, but I'd include /pol/ too in that. It's more like Reddit than 4chan.
>>57122954
I wish /pol/ was never added honestly. They infect every other board with racism and anti left shit. Granted we've has always had racist qualities, /pol/ takes it to a whole new level.
>inb4 /pol/tard calling me a butthurt liberal or SJW
>>57120931
Here's the problem with that logic:
We're not 100% anonymous.
I know one thing about you with absolute certainty: you live on Earth. And if you've ever done the math on this, the odds that you interact with someone who interacts with someone who interacts with me are surprisingly high.
So even if I have no idea who you are, and will likely never come into contact with you, the possibility that you will indirectly affect my life can't simply be dismissed.
We're all human beings residing on the planet earth (inb4 someone claims to be posting from the moon with an Australian flag). Man is a political animal, and we all want to influence and control the earth to some extent. So until you come up with a way for anons to live hermetically sealed on different worlds, there's always going to be the desire to fight with others in the name of something you can't even prove you represent.
Be thankful that you're dealing with far-right people and not far-left
It's true far-right people are prone to exaggeration, generalizing population groups, rageposts and wild conspiracy theories. There are others though that are intentionally well-mannered, logical and reasonable. Like the GoldenOne on youtube
But the far left on the internet is far worse. Abysmal spelling and grammar. Type in small, short bursts usually some word-soup of insults and death threats, no logic, false equivalences, constantly tries to find examples of things "we" do that are as bad as things "they" commonly do
Pic related. There seems to be a semi-universal lack of spelling and grammar skills among the far-left which I've never understood. Especially the French and German left
>>57122849
Do you believe that?
With the current state of /r9k/, /pol/, /int/, fucking every board except a few niche hobby boards like /p/
You what m8? /int/ is extremely right wing. I don't even want to know what you consider right if /int/ looks left to you.
>>57123202
>Abysmal spelling and grammar. Type in small, short bursts usually some word-soup of insults and death threats, no logic, false equivalences, constantly tries to find examples of things "we" do that are as bad as things "they" commonly do
This describes your average /pol/ post
>>57123186
/pol/ was created to give politics threads a place to go. Before /new/ and /pol/ people would post politics threads on /sp/ all the time instead
>>57123202
Obviously that's because proper spelling is oppression anon
Only white people write correctly therefore writing correctly is fascism
>>57123186
>every board has one guy with opinion I don't like sometimes
>Holy shit, they're fucking invading
I want /qa/ to leave
I used to be a social democrat. Then I realized modern social democracy isn't about protecting the interests of common Finnish citizens anymore and it's more about moral crusading and thinking Finns shoulder some kind of international responsibility for all the wrongs Africans, MENA or other nationalities suffer through so we got to get them over here and pay for them. If you voice concerns about this, you're labeled a racist. Basically the left lost its original purpose and now I'm an apolitical, cynical faggot.
>>57123317
Yeah and it has failed the point of it's creation in the fact that /pol/ is leaking into every fucking board. They try so hard to "redpill" you all the time, it's like having jehovah's witnesses at your door except if you tell them to go away the put their foot between the door, run crying to jehovahtown and come back to burn your house down.
>>57123202
I don't actually see many true "far-right" people on /pol/ though. It's 90% underage Americans that want to suck Trump cock.
>>57123458
>one guy with opinion I don't like sometimes
>one guy
You know /pol/ has the highest traffic after /b/ of any board and that that only happened within the last 18 months, right?
>>57123186
the only reason that happened is because reddit student pinkos flooded in because they thought they could push their agendas here.
they are still doing it, hence this thread which is only here to bitch that 4chan isn't enough of a left-wing echo chamber and that there are no bans on free speech.
/int/ was pretty moderate a couple years ago. Besides the "sweden yes" stuff there wasn't much right wing rhetoric. I remember on other board like /g/ simply saying nigger was frowned upon. Now it's commonplace
>>57123297
Only sometimes, there was one notorious spammer who made hundreds of weird images where he would add nonsensical text on top of them like "weenie need what with the problem" over a picture of a horse
I'm guessing because the right believes in authority, and thus language authority, while the far-left has an anarchistic approach where traditional conventions deserve to be broken and smashed. Just a theory.
The far-right can often take it to the other end in a cringey way. Trying to be too posh and old fashioned, or trying to type with Roman lettering "Evropa Imperivm"
>>57123202
>youtube comments
Congrats, you just showed those commies and destroyed whole left-wing political tradition
>>57123538
4chan was predominately populated by students and grayhats originally. Its you that is the foreign influx.
Also this site is older than reddit.
>>57121279
t. left-wing extremist
>>57122471
This, or just to try understand the world and people in general
>>57123186
>They infect every other board with racism and anti left shit
Racism is a whole another ball game, but you should not have a complete monopoly on what political ideology gets expressed and what doesn't. You sound like a typical modern day leftist who can't fathom the fact that people might actually hold differing opinions. This is what fucking baffles me about modern day left as well as things >>57123468 listed.
>>57123468
this desu
once the left stopped caring about workers rights and protecting the interest of citizens and started fucking them over to achieve some lofty Marxist dream of the upper-middle class I stopped caring about them.
its hilarious how labour parties now could not give a rats ass about labour at all.
>>57123601
and you're still deluding yourself if you think 4chan has changed, its popular-culture that has changed, though 4chan is still hated by the general public as it ever was.
>>57123601
When you think about it, 4chan is the oldest continuously used social media site.
>>57123779
at least among large ones
there are still lots of more niche sites still around
>>57123779
>social media site
Stop, just fucking stop right there, 4chan isn't a social media website, it's an anonymous imageboard and nothing like the cancerous connected advertising mining platforms known as social media
I just stopped coming here because there's nothing new or interesting on /int/. It has become /pol/ lite
Thank god for /his/
>>57123499
>Yeah and it has failed the point of it's creation in the fact that /pol/ is leaking into every fucking board.
Not really, /sp/ during downtime before it was a politics or country vs country thread every other thread. It still happens to some degree on other blue boards, like thinly-veiled threads on /v/ with "What vidya lets me be like Trump?". But at least there's a place people can take their pent-up desires to talk about politics too, especially foreigners
>>57123509
There was a massive shift towards the center there away from Nazibooism, probably due to an influx of normies who want to talk about mainstream politics. 3 years ago it was always threads on Jews or Nazi motivation posters or race arguments.
Obscure meta politics got replaced with mainstream politics and pop-nationalism (the latter is rather unfortunate)
>>57123956
Good, nobody missed you commi slovak
>>57123954
especially since its design is inherently anti-ego unlike other sites.
>>57123956
>it's become /pol/
I hope you're not the Slovakian who constantly rages at the USA because that would be rather ironic to say
>>57123671
>its hilarious how labour parties now could not give a rats ass about labour at all.
It's easier to bring in foreign labor for cheap then too fight for the labor rights of your current population.
>>57124004
Yeah, I say keep it too, I can't imagine the shitstorm if /pol/ gets trashed.
It'd be the death of 4chan as we know it.
Or ofcourse 4chan is already dead and that would just be molesting it's lifeless body.
>>57123956
/his/ still has too many marxist historian types and atheists spamming the same threads every day.
>>57120346
>implying that this board is leftist
yeah, whatever you want then
>>57123523
Yea, and I rarely see that shit on boards that aren't already filled to the brim with ebin memers
>>57123954
it's the exact definition of a social media site (a website where users create and share content)
you are not special for browsing this website
>>57124054
No, I'm pretty pro-American desu
>>57124054
I think he's that raging ANTIFA leftist Slovak who thinks EU and Slovakia need to take more refugees in for reasons unknown.
>>57124223
There's no objective reason why you shouldn't take even more refugees.
>>57124456
Nice to say of you when you're a fucking transit country to Finland even though your metropolitan regions like Moscow and St. Petersburg would be just as good for their safety and well being.
>>57124456
agreed
>>57124600
Why so many for Hungary?
/int/ and /pol/ used to be good when they contained nationalism or politics
Now it's all pop-politics, pop-anthropology and pop-nationalism instead, sometimes as bad as the kind found on youtube
>>57124641
Because Hungary is a transit country where they first try to nail an accepted asylum status, if that works then they move on to greener social welfare pastures. If it doesn't they fuck off to greener social welfare pastures anyway.
>>57124641
Because their President was forcing people to register early on, against Germany's wishes.
>>57124751
Orbán, Hungarian PM, is also refusing all redistribution plans on principle
>>57124223
More refugees? There are literally like 200 and they are in special camp and are christian, people still bitch about them.
Literal Nazi party has got 8% in popular vote and are in parliament.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V4pGQIJMXM
The guy in the video is one of the members.
There was black flag handed on one of the official government buildings managed by this party, on the anniversary of Hitler death.
Only Poland can rival our levels of Neo-Nazis t b h, but Poland seems more like Faith/National pride driven, here it is pure hate
>>57124886
This
It's easy to disagree with me if you're not aware of the context
>>57124666
It wasn't pop politics until we made the internet alt right a thing
It's our fault entirely, we sacrificed the high level of discourse for success and popularity
arguably that was the goal in the first place though
>>57124799
and thank god for that because all redistribution plans fuck small pop, but seemingly wealthy countries like Finland in the ass hardcore
I say "seemingly wealthy" because we've had rough few years economically and Finland sure doesn't need more people on social welfare that also require special and costly services like translators
>>57124967
Tbh average pay in Slovakia is like 700€ per month and its one of the highest in eastern europe, even if some refugees are forced here, they will leave ASAP for better payign countries
>>57124930
Actually i disagree with you, i dont want refugees here, maybe only like 2 000 to do shit tier jobs.
Atleast for know when half of europe is getting allak akbard
>>57124930
>>57124886
So if I understood you correctly, you want more refugees, because it'll spite the neonazis?
>>57125215
We have no refugees and the fascists are riding on a wave of the anti-refugee hate unleashed by our "social democratic" PM
It massively backfired in the election. He lost votes and the fascist party is in parliament
There was never anything like "political correctness" in this country and the whole political spectrum keeps shifting to the right
>>57124133
Except that a SOCIAL media site requires registration and users identity is shown publicly as opposed to an imageboard where users create content, but in the case of 4chan, doesn't require registration or a user name, so you're a nonce and should refrain from posting replies to me ever again
>>57124948
No quite the contrary some of the time. The Alt-right tend to be introverted and geeky. THey generally distrust mainstream politics, and follow obscure country memes not normie ones, and look for deeper meanings or subtext to the world, rather than surface politics. At least this is true of the old ones. There are tons of new alt-righters due to trump who bring their shallow superficial attitudes with them and latch on
Pop-politics and pop-nationalism are the football hooligan/pub urchin/soccer mom form of those things. Country vs Country arguments/comparisons, social justice outrage and meme movements (Kony 2012, BLM), role-playing as history and countries, taking credit for historical achievements (or guilt), outdated country stereotypes and normie-memes about countries etc.
Pop-anthropology is arguably worse. /int/ has little understanding of what culture is, so it spurs on arguments about "who" has "culture", how much of it, who it belongs to (in a role-playing sense) and other ridiculous things
As a true contrarian I'm already going back to the left so I can get a jump on the upcoming election. Don't want to be a bandwagoner.
/int/ abhors global complexity really. Complex identity, messy ethnic borders, cultural fusions and migrations, bilingual countries. It's why all these maps appear where Austria is always annexed into Germany, Belgium is annexed by language, Ireland is always united, everything is purified into simplicity that soothes the aspergers mind. /int/ longs for a world of purely discrete and fenced cultures/genes and static nations, purified genetics, black and white ordering of citizenship, languages 'cleansed' of outside influences etc.
It's a mentality of suffering because as time goes on you're only going to get further besieged by globalization, new identities, cultural crossovers and fusions, race/ethnic mixing accelerating, mass migration and casual expatriation
>>57125667
> globalization, new identities, cultural crossovers and fusions, race/ethnic mixing accelerating, mass migration and casual expatriation
These might not always be good things. Every multicultural country that now exists in the world has higher amount of social strife than those that hold some semblance of homogeneity.
>>57125773
Well yes, but you can't stop it. For people who like those things, things will only get better, for those who don't want those things, life will have more suffering
>>57126025
>For people who like those things, things will only get better, for those who don't want those things, life will have more suffering
Globalization and accelerating mass migration only serves the interests of the wealthy. An ordinary 3k €/ month Finnish citizen will get absolutely nothing out of an artificially created brown underclass that hardly speaks his language.
Everyone went to /his/ to talk about how blacks have no culture and have never accomplished anything in all of history.
>>57123622
What if I understand them and they're evil?
>>57125773
I would be sympathetic if people could sympathize more with Europeans over this. In general you lot are the most hateful and narcissistic people on earth, so I don't pity you getting 'mongrelized" by the large swaths of human beings you think are inferior to you. It's like watching a loudmouthed and arrogant celebrity be forced to give money to a homeless person he previously called scum.
These days if you want to be Edgy on the Internet you should be a reasonable centrist who likes steady progress, functioning government and supports Hillary Clinton or Angela Merkel
>>57120501
4/5 post.
Tastes like salami.
>>57126488
>merkel
>reasonable centrist
Maybe that's true in the left-wing clusterfuck that is the rotting corpse of Germany, but even in Sweden she'd be further to the left than their current green-red government on stuff /int/ cares about.
>>57120613
go outside and make some friends
