>Usa lost to farmers
CANT MAKE THIS UP
>tfw we lost to 10 people
>>57117462
>t. Lost to Indonesian farmers
What was even the point of the Vietnam war? I have never gotten a reasonable answer to this question.
It was all in a day's work for Raiden
>>57117728
>muh domino effect
>>57117728
>communism bad
>spread democracy like the lord intended
>>57117728
USA was worried communism would spread like a plague through the asian countries.
>>57117728
Fork and General Motors needed rubber, they mistook these rice farmers for betas
>>57117728
Contain Communism in Southeast Asia. There was a popular belief that if one country fell to Communist rule, another country would follow suit.
Also something to do with protecting US business lobbyists under the guise of "muh freedoms".
Even the initial fighting turned out to be a false flag.
>>57117462
Shitaly lost to Greece
>>57117837
Ford*
>>57117842
>not playing both sides and let the shitskins duke it out till they are both weak and seize power
>american 'empire'
>>57117842
>so lets go in and just start killing people
>that will teach evil communists!
Whoever made this order was high as shit.
>>57117849
Shitaly failed at colonizing Ethiopia
>>57117728
Like All the other have said.
>Domino Effect
Which was actually a very realistic view.
If it hadn't been for the US interventions, Who know how many other would have fallen.
After Vietnam; Laos, Cambodia fell to the communist.
>>57117651
No we didn't. We had a military victory (unlike you retards).
But the US hypocrit cucks decided that we were not allowed to keep colonies, and if we kept it you would cut our Marshall funding.
Most retarded decision you made in 1940s.
>>57117728
>Muh dominos
>muh freedom
>muh capitalism
>muh US must be hegemony
>>57117462
>lost
love this meme
>>57118099
It was the 60's-70's.
>>57118123
There's nothing to colonize tbqh
>>57117462
Americans may have an advanced military but they fight like women
>>57121720
Yeah but the total loss of ASEAN to communism, was both highly unlikely and really meaningless.
Who cares if jungle chinks are commie or not? Communism inherently weakens a nation. If anything a commie ASEAN would have made our job easier.
After 1968 we should have pulled out immediately. It wasn't worth the cost and damage to the main power.
Think of how much we could have supported other commie/capitalist battleground places that were less likely to support communism if we didn't do as much in Vietnam?
>>57117728
The US was allied with the Southern government
Oddly 90% of foreigners forget that, they think the US either fought the whole of vietnam in an invasion or the South didn't do much.
In reality the South fought with millions of soldiers and had the bulk of the responsibility. The US and AUSNZ provided air power, firebases, some patrols and precision work
The US assumed that when it left, it had done enough damage to the North that the South could stay secure. A while later the North attacked and defeated the South
It's not an evil war though, any more than it was evil for Britain to come to France in WW1 to back them up
>>57122435
I Agree. The war should not have involved the US, to such an extend. It only made the south more and more dependent on the US as time passed. By the time we left, it was inevitable for them to try and raze the south.
>>57122159
>Military Victory
You know that this is the excuse that many Americans also use to say that the US won, right? The US did not lose any major battles in Vietnam and the Tet Offensive was a major failure for the North.
The US withdrew because of politics, and public opinion. The North then overran the south when the US was no longer present.
>>57122459
Lmao we supported a brutal right wing dictator in Vietnam. That throws whatever "morality" you're talking about out the window.
Also, we in no way expected South Vietnam to defend itself after we left. This is a blatant lie.
The South Vietnamese barely could defend themselves with all our help. By the time we signed the peace treaty in 74 we (Kissinger) knew that Vietnam would become communist.
>>57122387
Who lost both the big ones? Oh yeah, that's right.
>>57122459
>it had done enough damage to the North that the South could stay secure
The US government knew that the North wouldn't abide by the terms decided at the Paris Peace Accords which is why we assured South Vietnam we would replace their military equipment on a one-to-one basis so they could fight off the north.
Then liberal cuckolds took over congress and decided the US wouldn't honor the supplies we promised South Vietnam.
>>57122387
Wtf are you talking about? The American soldiers fought like animals, they never gave up and never once showed fear. The problem was that USA went into Vietnam without a strategy, a plan. They just killed everyone and burned everything. Of course the war didn't lead to anything.
>>57117462
You do know the NVA had tanks and jets right? They also had support from USSR and CHINA. China also fought alongside Vietnam in the field as well.
Did you forget to take that into account?
>>57122743
Yeah, but we had a genuine military victory.
100 dead Indonesians for every dead Dutchman.
We had the entire country under control except for some sporadic guerillas here and there.
But then the USA stepped in...
I hate Vietnam war veterans.
They constantly walk around with hats that say "VIETNAM VETERAN" or some shit and expect special treatment.
>>57122864
You're a fucking retard. Congress and the senate were liberal faggots the whole time we were in Vietnam.
Also, we were in economic recession, stagflation, and reeling debt wise. Spending more funding a losing war would be stupid.
These liberals unknowingly made an intelligent decision.
>>57122868
>never once showed fear
>>57121720
Explain how Communism in current day Vietnam is bad, have you even visited there?
>>57122906
>getting baited
neo-/int/ newfags
>>57122768
Right wing dictator?
OK, South vietnam was corrupt and heavily militarized, ruled by a military junta--considering their situation it was to be expected. But nonetheless, it was still a republic with elected presidents and prime ministers.
The North was not any better. The failure of the south's to consolidate power and become an effective force are criticized in pretty much every document or documentary, as an excuse to justify the US losing Vietnam.
Communism and the real dictator--ho chi minh--- were no much better.
>>57123079
"""""""""""""Communism"""""""""""""" in current day Vietnam.
Vietnam is capitalist mate.
>>57123193
>Vietnam is capitalist
American justice always prevails.
>>57123193
>The Socialist Republic of Vietnam, along with China, Cuba, and Laos, is one of the world's four remaining one-party socialist states officially espousing communism. Its current state constitution, 2013 Constitution, asserts the central role of the Communist Party of Vietnam in all organs of government, politics and society.
>>57123424
Yeah, but it is capitalistic. You can start a buisness, make your own money, whatever. It is not communist.
>>57123570
That's not what capitalism means, you retard.
Free markets are not synonymous with capitalism.
>>57123424
China, and Vietnam are no longer communist in the way that Marx and other communist of the past thought of communism. The only things these countries share with Communism is the one party authoritarian political system with communist iconography and rhetoric. But from an economic point of view, they are no longer communist.
The only remaining true communist states, I would say are Cuba and North Korea. Cuba is in the transition to a more capitalist system, so we will see.
>>57123248
>>57123570
It's not communist.
It's market socialist.
>>57123619
... Vietnam is 100% captialist. Give me proof of Vietnam being Communist.
>>57123085
>mommy they were as bad as us so we're okay!!!
>>57123079
I have. There's over 300,000 political prisoners in Vietnam. There's immense corruption. The military holds way too much power. Rights are unheard of.
Vietnam is very very similar to China. I just think the state is incapable of doing what it wants to do, full blown oppression.
>>57123619
>Muh means of production
The Chinese people do not have the means of productions. Only a handful of Chinese and a bunch of transnationals do.
>>57117462
>we could have supported Ho Chi Minh after WW2 when he was just a nationalist but Charles defucking Gaulle wanted to prop up shitty French Indochina
>>57123193
No it is not.
It's as "capitalist" as China is. Maybe even less so because private corporations are still technically banned unlike in China.
>>57117728
Get your asses raped by poor chinks.
That was clearly the point. :D
>>57123699
That's what politics and IR are all about.
You are the child here, thinking that situations are black and white. That something is always good V. evil.
In most situations, you must choose the best of both evils.
>>57123570
That's not what Capitalism is my retarded friend.
Was 1400 France capitalist?
["It Ain't Me" starts playing]
>>57123696
They are still following the Marxist historical materialist dialectic which is supposed to lead to a communist state.
BTW, no Communist country was "communist" - they were socialist. Communism was the end goal, the utopia.
>>57123793
I guess a 1:20 K/D is getting our asses kicked.
>>57117728
What? Proxy war with the Soviet Union.
>>57123881
>muh K/D ratio
By your retarded Cowadoody babby logic, the Nazis won WWII
>>57123696
Anon just posted proofs...
>>57123847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9eybY9qFfY
>>57122952
This. Vietnam vets are the biggest bunch of faggots out of any war veteran group.
Would you have been drafted? If your birth day had a number under 195 you'd likely be called to duty.
>>57123919
The Nazis were driven back to their country and Occupied for about 50 years.
The US simply withdrew and nothing else happened.
We lost the war in the sense that Vietnam was not secured, and was (after an armistice had been sign) overrun by the North. The US did not lose the war in any military sense of the word.
I'm real sure a bunch of gook peasants just happen to have SAMs, MiG-19, and T-52s laying around. They sure didn't make that stuff themselves. Some wiseguy sold them that shit and I think we have a fairly good idea of who it was.
>>57124084
>tfw 201
IT AIN'T ME
>>57122952
Even the government hates VVs. They're just waiting for all of them to die off.
>>57121720
So literally tinfoil hat politics?
>>57124084
>tfw fucking 008
at least my best friend would've had a better chance ;_____;
>>57123847
>"It Ain't Me"
Is this a reference to something? I seem to remember a screencap that had something about someone getting the name of that song wrong, but I can't quite remember.
Terrible strategy mostly and fighting with one hand tied behind our backs. We should have just reduced Hanoi to a whiff of ozone like Barry Goldwater said.
>>57124084
>353
Noice
>>57124084
College deferment, mothafuckas
>>57124084
>247
it turns out I was the senator's son the whole time
>>57124084
Yes. Fuggg, looks like I'd be greasing slopes in the Mekong. :DDD
>>57124229
>tinfoil hat politics
But it wasn't. After eastern Europe fell to communist, so did China, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, and many others tried.
>>57124513
*on the Mekong.
>>57124084
>194
>>57124084
>211
>>57124084
>Tfw 195
Y-you said it had to be under, right?
>>57124084
>276
Eh not that high.
>>57124084
My dad missed the draft by one year. Lucky fuck.
>>57124295
Its a /tv/ meme.
Some mouthbreather on /tv/ tried make a reference to how Fortunate Son gets played in vietnam movies but didn't know the name of the song and was too stupid to look it up before posting so he assumed the songs name was It Aint Me because thats the chorus and all songs are named after their chorus.
>>57124084
>070
Well maybe i'd find a vietnam wife or something
>>57117462
The Vietnamese would be BTFO'd, but still win.
>>57117837
This
Vietnam
>>57122937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords
We did too. We won every military engagement as well. Just goes to show how politics>military strength with the modern media.
Vietnam's a great nation, defeated the US's whole purpose in intervening even when outmanned and outgunned , then right after the americans leave defeated PRC which at this point knew almost every strategic position and supply line and even provided some of it.
And to this day they'd rather go toe to toe with the PRC over SCS than sit back and take it.
I wish my country had a fraction of political will and courage Vietnam has.
>>57117462
>a few hundred.
