What went wrong?
>Dutch colony
>becomes muslim
All seems in order here
chinks
>>57000900
>chinks
>>57000967
chink minority in indonesia is responsible for pretty much everything bad that happens there tbqh lad
t. knower
>letting corrupt people kill people they have personal grudges against/ethnic Chinese in the name of purging communists
>killing East Timorese & Papuans
It genuinely makes me mad that people point to Indonesia to combat Islamophobia simply because there's almost never any news from there, when they have a horrible track record with human rights (which we helped by selling them arms).
>>57000996
>muslim minority in Europe is responsible for pretty much everything bad that happens there tbqh lad
>>57000900
>>57000967
They're the ones bringing islam to indonesia though
Not even joking
>>57000996
>implying
Look at Malaysia/SIngapore.
Chinks are the only thing that are civilized in SEAsia
>All this Chinks & Muslims
Nah, They barely makes any damages to Indonesia.
US is the most responsible for Indonesia's suffering.
>>57000657
>What went wrong?
Pic related.
IMF & George 'kike' Soros happen. They screw us really good. Fucking Jews.
>>57003902
Lol fuck off Chang. One more order of wontons please
>>57004423
explain moar
>>57004645
Its pretty complex and I'm not quite fluent in English so, i'll give you link instead.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis#Indonesia
>http://www.insideindonesia.org/who-murdered-the-rupiah
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/indonesia-rocked-by-currency-collapse-1245492.html
This is conspiracy that most of SEA countries believes.
Islam is a cult based on Arab supremacy. It will never be compatible to other races except for the Arabs themselves. Honestly, we should never have been muslims, but it gives us a sense of purpose in life. The same reason why flips and south americans are obsessed with Catholism. Religion is sedative.
In reality, middle eastern cults should have stayed in middle east!
>>57008174
and you wonder why Muslims are preaching reform of Islam.
Even they're aware that their shit religion is a source for a shit load of human rights violations
Main reason I left it with my sister.
>>57008301
Honestly, with Islam there's nowhere to begin from. There's very little room for reform. Many muslims know by heart this is not right, but they're simply too scared. Just look what happened to that poor guy in Aberdeen recently.
>>57008423
There's still hope. After Brussels, huge wave of reformists.
Being an ex Muslim myself, I pray that it will become mainstream amongst western Muslims, in'shallah.
>>57008174
SEA culture was under a golden age when it was Hindu-Buddhist 2bh.
now you're literally little dark SEA people pretending to be arabs.
>>57008174
is it really true that most muslims want reform?
do most muslims know that islam is low key about arab supremacy? how would you say people would feel about that in your cunt
The US requested the Dutch troops to retreat from Indonesia or they would cut the Marshall aid. Indonesia had stopped being a profitable a while ago and after the war money for recovery was more important than glory. Because the US feared a socialist influence in SEA, like in Vietnam, they installed an Islamic conservative leader Soekarno. Who ruled Indonesia as a semi islamic dictatorship for almost twenty years, to be followed by another islamic dictator.
In my opinion, Indonesia deserved independence. But they needed something better than their leaders installed after our retreat. Maybe socialists were better but those were against freedumb burgers.
>>57008718
>Soekarno
>Islamic conservative leader
>Installed by US
I'll believe your post if it was Soeharto. Soekarno is complete Commie, m8.
>>57008423
What happened in Aberdeen?
>>57008174
>Islam is a cult based on Arab supremacy.
[citation needed]
>>57008174
word, bro. we don't need that sand religion
>>57000657
Batavia sounds way better than Jakarta tbqh
>>57011197
A muslim man got stabbed by another muslim because he wished somebody a happy easter.
>>57008174
>In reality, middle eastern cults should have stayed in middle east!
Yes, Christianity and Judaism too.
>Nigger
>muslim
>chink
>Indian
>manlets
Must be bad
>>57012454
>you'll never worship zeus because the roman cucks bowed down to some filthy jewish god
>>57012734
b-b-but I want to sacrifice a horse, dad!
How did dutch get away with taking the whole archipelago for themselves
You'd think the brits or spaniards would have thrown their swampy asses out of there as soon as the sugar plantations were built.
>>57013082
The brits did throw them out of various places, the most particular one of them being New Amsterdam (New York). Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania), New Holland (Australia), New Zeeland (New Zealand) are others.
>>57013861
>New Amsterdam (New York)
Can you imagine how much worse NYC would be if it had remained Dutch? Unfathomable.
>>57000657
If Indonesia was a portuguese colony,they'd be fucking celebrating easter,but now they're being opressed by allah akbars
>>57013861
the republic just discovered New Holland and New Zealand but did not really put in much effort to colonize it.
Australia mostly because the first place the Dutch discovered was the barren west coast, en I think new Zealand was not a succes because of the Maori.
So in those cases (tasmania included) there was no kicking out, the Dutch named it but never settled. Only the New York story stands.
>>57016227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y4_PFvHqDg
many already are without the forced conversion Iberian overlords mostly demanded (though it is not the catholic form you might prefer)
>>57000996
source?
>>57013861
>forgetting South Africa
>>57003859
In like 800 ad.
And that's mostly an exaggeration. Muslim Arab traders turned Sufists were the main converters.
>>57016579
We had plenty of other places anyways.
Islam, why is this even a question?
Only Islam could cause a nation with such a huge population and great geographical potential to be such a piece of fucking shit.
My sympathies to the 10% Christians there, you deserve better.
Honestly Indonesian Muslims are fine.
>>57016721
majapahit was hindu for a very long time after mallaca already turned muslim. so 800 Ad is a bit of an overstatement. the Demak sultanate in 1475 was the first muslim state on Java. Which is the most principal island of Indonesia.
>>57016761
5%*
Enough violence and discrimination starts to convert anyone.
>>57008174
You could have developed your own system of beliefs, one that isn't as fucking brutal, primitive and inhibiting as Islam. It's practically impossible to be a practicing, devout Muslim and to balance an educated, productive life. The religion is too intrusive and demanding. Should have learned from us Jews and trashed the religion.
>>57016772
*Massacres Indonesians*
>>57016835
Oh, guess Indonesia also suffers from the magical syndrome affecting Christians in Muslim communities that causes them to disappear... hey remember when Betlehem was a Christian majority? Fun times.
>>57016772
>dumb shit
Over 500 joined ISIS so far, and thet just had an ISIS attack.
>>57016736
de verwanschapslanden are a bit far fetched though, they were just places that the republic/kingdom owned a part of. The republic never went into the inlands of Ghana, malaria is a bitch like that. the same goes for south Africa (though Dutch rule was more extensive there), and the rule over Formosa was nominal at best. Though the republic did leave a lasting impression on the island by making it Chinese speaking, the Dutch authorities settled many mainlanders on the island where before there were very few.
>>57016877
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/24/magazine/manager-square-in-the-muslim-city-of-bethlehem.html?pagewanted=all
This is from 1995.
Soon to come to a city near you!
>>57016924
While you are correct, the Dutch rule of Ghana was the foundation of the modern state. Same for the Cape Colony and South Africa.
Also, it should be noted that the VOC, WIC and NC were chartered.
>>57016961
>But now that the Israelis have decided to hand over the city to Palestinian authorities a week before Christmas,
It's our fault primarily desu, we failed them. They didn't know any better and thought it was desirable, but we knew exactly what would happen.
>>57012341
checked flag
Even without Islam it would just be like Philippines. Still shit.
>>57017035
yeah but they were allowed to be armed under the auspices of a government. And when the Voc collapsed the Dutch government took over.
I am not saying there was no big influence, I am just saying that every Dutch person posting the map of the verwantschapslanden is making it seem a bit more glorious than it really was.
that map right there is a bit more correct (though the rule in brazil and acadia were both quite short.
>>57017075
Honestly sad.
Muslims are projected to be the biggest religion by 2060.
>>57013082
The British took most of the Dutch colonies but gave some of them back out of pity in 1814.
>>57017197
We had another glorious empire anyways :^)
>>57017319
no they gave them back because the European balance of power would turn against the UK if it kept the powerful Indonesian colonies. They did not give them back out of pity or kindness, but out of pure necesitty not to become the goal of a war like the ottomans, spanish and french had already been in the centuries before.
You brits were clever like that.
>>57017319
You're correct, though:
>Anglos
>Pity
uh
>>57017127
Just less likely to be shit in the long-run.
>>57017266
They are too incompetent to be a threat, I'm not worried about shitholes like Indonesia, Nigeria or Kazahstan having a kazillion Muslims. What matters is the Muslims who are allowed into the western world, they are the real threat. They either need to secularize themselves or leave.
>>57017127
philipines have islam too though
>>57017402
That pic is from Cuba
>>57004423
>US is the most responsible for Indonesia's suffering.
They are they only reason your country even exists.
Or is that exactly what you mean?
>>57017319
This, under Brits we were better. But they gave us away to VOC.
Feels bad man
>>57017492
>They are they only reason your country even exists.
Mohammed pls, the main reason it exists is because of the Dutch and, to a lesser extent, the earlier Javanese empire.
>>57017559
The US forced the Netherlands to give up the colonies because they hoped to win support in Southeast Asia against communism.
>>57017559
Majapahit did not extent just as far as Indonesia. Not by a long shot.
>>57000657
You're welcome the rest of the world for keeping them in line.
>>57012341
Nice flag, here's mine
>>57017493
I-it was British for four years.
>>57017632
Indeed it did. But the concept of a single Indonesian state does not come from there.
>>57016227
Thank you papa
>>57017695
So it's a coincidence it had the same territory as the Dutch East Indies? Doesn't sound very likely Henk.
>>57017676
Hue flag my friend!
>>57017695
It was british under 4 years, but they made us better than you did for 2 centuries.
>>57012452
Damn, how this death cult has so many followers is beyond me.
>>57017794
you always look back on the one night stand you had years ago and imagine your life would have been better with that guy/girl, and romanticize it to a point where a relation with that person seems better than the one you have. While in reality the same drudgery would have set in with that person too, but you can't help but fantasize.
>>57017794
Next you'll tell me the Japanese were freedom fighters.
>>57016736
>svalbard was Dutch
neat
>>57018230
>svalbard
Spitsbergen!
>>57000657
You know honestly what went wrong?
300 year under dutch colonialism while brits colonized us for less than 5 years. That dutch slavery has been ingrained in the natives' blood.
Compare our starting infrastructure to Malaysia's.
>>57000996
trivia time
Our founder was so paranoid about his presidency (because he was backed by numerous chink friends) he proposed a law that only native Indonesians have the right to public office, including the defense force, under the guise of preserving the then freshly independent Indonesia's best interests. This basically pigeonholed his numerous chink friends into wage slaves.
Enter dictatorship era of 2nd president. Chinks got even more oppressed with chink schools getting abolished everywhere and no ching chong speak allowed in public because muh communism bullshit.
I don't even understand since when this chink hatred even started.
>>57008174
Have a read of Lee Kuan Yew's harsh truths to keep Singapore going and The grandmaster's insights.
this excerpt especially, piqued my interest
http://www.aiseyman.com/2015/04/16/lee-kuan-yews-insights-on-the-future-of-islamic-extremism-part-iv/
That's basically most plausible thing I've ever read on how to counter Islam's radicalism and that excerpt was way before IS got big.
Shows you how crazy of a vision LKY had, gave me the chills.
>>57018230
It was pretty much one settlement, but yes. Jan Mayen was briefly Dutch too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noordsche_Compagnie
>>57016897
>over 500
Out of 250million...
>>57018253
Next thing you're telling me that Ahvenanmaa is Åland
>>57000657
Islam, that and being subhuman tbhfam
>>57018163
But it is.
Japan did nothing wrong.
Japan was Asia's hero.
>>57018253
Cool, we still call them "Huippuvuoret" (=Peak Mountains)
>>57018394
>Bert Koenders apologizes to these people
>>57018394
t. weeb
ITT
>Dutch people defending Dutch colonialism
>Indonesians trolling hard by saying the Brits or Japanese were 1000 times better
>British people chuckling at the shitstorm while wearing a monocle and a cup of tea
>>57018438
>being this assblasted
>>57018457
>he doesn't read history
>>57018329
>but it's only 500 !!!! C'mon it's 2016!!!
>>57018394
>Japan did nothing wrong
>>57018747
You forgot one thing
>dutch indos shitting up the thread with their meme arrows
>>57019847
Your picture proves my opinion.
Was taking indonesia really worth it dutchbros?
>>57000996
lol I know a chink from Medan, she always goes on about the genocide against her people.
>>57013861
>>57016703
New York was sold to the British at a symbolic price, in turn for a more profitable (at the time) colony in South America. South Africa was taken by the British when the Dutch Empire was already long past it's prime and the Netherlands under the occupation of the French.
Australia and New Zealand were just discovered, and never properly settled.
>>57020053
It was a good source of income for centuries, even when the Netherlands was way past it's prime in the 19th century.
>>57020053
>not wanting a war every now and then
Are you even white?
>>57000657
>/pol/tards talking shit about Indonesia despite knowing nothing
>blaming muslims
>blaming jews
Fuck off why there's nothing wrong with my country
I'd say there wouldn't be Indonesia without Islam and the Dutch
Hoky shut guys you ad hominem should stop
>>57008559
That's because our neighbours were shit while in fact we were left behind few centuries
>>57001066
We purged the chinks not in the name of religion, people was least religious back then
I admit we were pretty savage back then tho
>>57016761
>>57016835
More like 15%, expected from the barinwashed kind of people tho
>>57017654
Majapahit is actually larger than indonesia, it includes malaysia, brunei, singapore and parts of thailand, minus the papuan teritories
Teritory wise indonesia is dutch sucessor, nationwise they're majapahit sucessor, which is why they oppress papuans abo so much
>>57020861
they were merely vassals, and probably the word vassal meant something else than what we tend to think of it now as in a western sense.
though I am not denying Majapahit had a grip to some extent on their vassals, the same could be said for Austrian control over the HRE and almost no western historian would say that that is actually true. To it's most minimum extent majapahit controlled the eastern part of Java. And "controlled" much more outside of that core land.
I like The Raid films. And they had a Welsh director.
t. knows nothing about Indonesia
I've worked in a few Muslim countries. Indonesia never struck me as particularly bad on the religion front. Admittedly I only spent time in the two biggest cities though.
>>57000657
Holy shit guys, I know about muslims sentiment on this board but even with Islam we're much more better than Philippines and those countries in Indochina region
I'm a Catholic but Indon muslims are fine people except those FPI bigots
I have no symphaty for typical mideastern muslims but you guys have to know that Indons are fine, really
t. Jogjafag
>>57021197
Jakarta and Surabaya? Which region of Jakarta?
>>57021395
>t. Jogjafag
Ayy, how's it going?
Jawafag here, traffic is horrendous but atleast there's enough lights to simmer down my paranoia at night.
>>57019796
It's a fraction of a percent. What are the numbers from other countries?
we're pretty chill here
also we dont care what other country thinks really
also we are irelevant anyway
so fuck off
I was thinking about teaching English in SE asia for a year or two, how does Indonesia compare to nearby countries?
>>57024039
Really depends on the region 2bh, if you want to feel like living in actual Indonesian society goto Java, if you want middle-east sensation go to Aceh, if you want to feel Africa, go to Papua, if you want to live in jungle go to Kalimantan
