Any North Caucasians on /int/? What's the coolest North Caucasian language with decent enough resources to learn? What's the easiest one to learn?
What is it like to be from the North Caucasus? Do people in the Circassian diaspora still speak Circassian?
Thanks
>>56983522
>North Caucasian """"""""""""languages"""""""""""""""""
http://coub.com/view/90xgp
>>56983866
Georgians pls go, you're just mad you lost Abkhazia.
b-bump
>>56986804
North Caucasians are viewed as savages in Russia. They adhere to medieval traditions and generally behave like Muslim migrants in Europe.
>>56986932
I thought that was only Chechens, or are the others like that too?
>>56987035
The Ingush and other mountain inhabitants aren't any better. Also, why are you interested in NC? Do you have any friends of this descent there?
>>56987267
Just started to read about Adyghe and Abkhaz people (Northwest Caucasian), and their cultures seem pretty neat.
>>56987405
Well, I had an online relationship with a Turkish gay qt on interpals who speaks Adyghe (his ancestors were from Circassia). He was very nationalistic.
>>56987573
Nationalistic about Circassia or Turkey?
Did he tell you anything interesting about his culture?
>>56987924
Circassia of course. He hates Turkey for genocide and shit. He spoke to me in Adyghe that was curious. Nothing specific.
>>56988061
Do you still speak with him? Ask him if he knows of any good resources for Adyghe.
>>56988555
Nope. We broke up (I grew tired) and he found an Israeli bf. I'm glad for him though.
>>56988776
Thanks anyway.
>>56989210
How you got in Sweden?
>>56983522
Ossetian is cool all others are literally boring nigger shit
>>56989210
What's the othet part?
>>56989210
What nation are you?
>>56989326
What makes Ossetian cool?
>>56989326
>>56989252
Accidentally deleted my post, sorry.
The other part is Swedish. They were refugees to Iceland, and later moved to Sweden.
>>56983522
I am Abkhazian on my fathers side. It's a truley difficult language to learn. There are a myriad of ancient customs most are about worshiping your elders.
There are tons of Circassians in Turkey. Most of them have been pretty well assimilated into Turkey and cannot speak a word of Circassian. The ones that do know their ancestors hate Russia with a passion the usually 1864 genocide shit or whatever.
>>56989556
They also hate Turkey, it's very discriminatory against them and the use of their native language just as with other minorities like Kurds.
>>56989556
Do you speak Abkhaz? How difficult is it to learn? Are there resources for it online?
Tell me about the customs. What are your holidays, and what do you mean by worshipping your elders? Is there a clan/tribe system? What are your opinions on the Republic of Abkhazia? What are your relations with other North Caucasian people? Are you Christian or Muslim, and are there tensions between Christian and Muslim Abkhazians?
>>56989619
Whatever they hate Turkey they hate Russia 1000x more. They see Russia as the reason that they are in Turkey in the first place. The reason that more then 75% of their race died of starvation and crossing the Black Sea.
>>56989704
I'm not him but you won't learn it. Seriously, it has few speakers you can find on internet and even lesser content.
>>56989814
And what about slavery they were brought into on the southern shore?
>>56989704
There are resources in Turkish to learn Abkhazian but they are shitty and encomplete. I don't live in Turkey anymore so I can't access the new ones. There are traveling and permanent Abkhazian language centers that go from village to village to teach people their native tounge and customs.
It has been exceptionally difficult to learn Abkhazian and I only know a few words.
>>56989417
What's your Caucasus part ?
>>56989415
Their history is the best e.g. they are connected to to the King Arthur legend
You won't ever be able to learn them.
The best materials for learning them are available in Russian or Georgian, you know neither.
You can study them at Georgian universities too, but again, you don't know Georgian.
>>56989968
That's exactly my thought as well.
Even Georgian is extremely difficult.
>>56989952
How are Ossetians connected to King Arthur?
>>56989820
>>56989930
>>56989968
That's a shame.
>>56990044
>How are Ossetians connected to King Arthur?
you know Ossetians are not real Caucasians, right?
they are indo-european people, specifically Iranid ones.
Their ancestors were like this:
sarmatians > alans > osettians
king arthur's legend is connected with either alans or sarmatians, i don't remember exactly..
>>56989869
I am not sure about this part? We're the Circassians kept as slaves? I don't think it's possible because Muslims couldn't own another Muslim as a slave. They would have to be Christian when captured.
>>56990187
That's wrong.
Georgians and Circassians were imported as slaves to Ottomans en masse, mostly serving as Janissaries.
>>56990044
Well Alans (Ossetians) are nomads and settled in various places in Europe, some of them in England.
It's said that King Arthur was an Alan, for example the Alans put their sword in the earth before a fight (legend of excalibur etc) to have a connection to their War God and pray for a victory
>>56990140
I know they're Indo-Europeans, but somebody mentioned them and they're technically in the North Caucasus (though the thread was made for Northwest Caucasian and Northeast Caucasian languages) so I started asking about them.
>>56990269
>some of them in England
That sounds like a myth.
>>56990218
Circassians were muslims you dumb fuck. They have been always treated well here.
>>56989704
There are tons of clans in Abkhazian villages. You can look up Abkhazian royal family names online. The highest Abkhazian clan is Marsahn(sheravizde) they are Georgian nobility. Relationship with other races from northern caucus is very good. Abkhazians and Circassians came to Turkey together. The Muslim Abkahzians went to assist the Circasisans and got deported along with them. Even relationship with Georgians are very good. There is almost no rift between Christian Abkahzians and Muslims ones because (outside of my father) we are the worst Muslims. All the Abkhazians drink and make wine.
You can find examples of elder worship in Circassian culture. For example every time and elder walks in the room all the people younger then him have to stand up. If an elder person is walking down the road I cannot cross until they have passed me etc.....
>>56990187
>>56990218
Don't forget about historical Mamluks slave soldiers.
>>56990218
I don't think that correct because Jannisaries were not allowed to have kids. Most jennasiries were Serbians and Hungarians.
>>56990373
>Circassians, Syrians, and Nubians were the three primary races of females who were sold as sex slaves in the Ottoman Empire. Circassian girls were described as fair, light-skinned and were frequently enslaved by Crimean Tatars then sold to Ottomans. They were the most expensive, reaching up to 500 pounds sterling and the most popular with the Turks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
>>56990390
tfw a whole dynasty of Mamluks were Georgians
>>56990388
shervashidze*
tfw I'm an Abkhazian
>>56990388
That's very interesting, thanks.
>>56990513
How do you feel about the Abkhazians in Turkey? Do you guys even acknowledge them?
>>56990443
Janissaries were recruited from children of all Christian peoples inhabiting the empire through the system of devshirme (except for Armenians, who, for some reason, could make careers only in civil service).
>>56990373
>The Circassians in the Ottoman Empire struggled to survive in unfamiliar and sometimeshostile locations of settlement, and to adopt new conditions in the second half of the 19thcentury. The era of Abdülhamid II (1876-1909) imposed restrictions of national andcultural resurgence of the Circassians, as exemplified by the demolition of the Gedikpasha
Theater in 1884 after a play called the “Circassian Nobles” (Çerkes Özdenleri).
https://www.academia.edu/1990825/The_Formation_of_a_Circassian_Diaspora_in_Turkey_T%C3%BCrkiyede_%C3%87erkes_Diyasporas%C4%B1
>>56990513
>Source: Westerners...
>>56990335
Looked it up faggot the whole Arthur shit is a myth
>>56990609
I'm a Mingrelian-Abkhazian.
>>56990677
oh well, dunno man then.
Probably you know better.
>>56990762
You must be a master of linguistics then. You are already speaking like 3 languages minimum. How interchangeable is Mingerlian with Georgian?
>>56989619
no they don't, circassian language is even thought in schools nowadays for the circassian minority.
my mother side are circassians and they all speaks circassian quite fluently and are mostly turkish nationalists whilst also attending circassian cultural activities. there are festivals, communities, dance courses etc everywhere in turkey for the cultural minority groups. all these minority groups are all well integrated members of the turkish society, except for the kurds
so stop trying to smear shit on turkey with your lies russki fag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QnFa1C72Q
>>56991072
i speak 4.
2 native (mingrelian and georgian) + russian + english
>How interchangeable is Mingerlian with Georgian
probably on the level of polish and russian or english and dutch
grammar is similar, words not so much
>>56991138
>fag
How do you know? :D
>>56991170
Could you write in Georgian and Mingrelian Latin transcription a phrase like "in the morning I will drink green tea with bread and cheese"? It's purely a linguistic interest.
>>56991170
There is a lot of Georgians here in Brookyln they make great bread in stone ovens it's great.
In Turkey the Georgians and Abkhazians live side by side. They intermarry with them and the Lazgin.
>>56991339
>bread and cheese
I mean бyтepбpoды c cыpoм, I just can't find an adequate English equivalent.
>>56991339
Georgian: dilit davlev mts'vane chais purtan da k'veltan ertad
Mingrelian: och'mares gefshunq ts'vane chais qobal do ?valts'kuma arto
? = unable to write that letter in Latin
Borz here
>>56991382
Most Georgians in USA live in NY i think, so yeah.
>>56991720
Do you support the Chechen insurgency?
wew churkas
>>56991665
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop
This one?
Well, syntax seem very similar as well as many words.
>>56991788
Im a member of tsentaroy teyp, so yes
>>56991929
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop
something like that, but if you stop saying that letter in the middle and don't pronounce it fully.
>Well, syntax seem very similar as well as many words.
well, intellegibility is almost none between them, i mean you'll catch few similar words but that's it.
Laz and Mingrelian share a lot though. I can understand main plot of Laz speech.
and Svan is the most distant family member of South Caucasian language tree.
It's as similar to me as chechen
>>56991961
What's that?
>>56992058
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsentaroy,_Kurchaloyevsky_District,_Chechen_Republic
Circassian music in this !
https://youtu.be/8nDKNxNwpig
>>56989952
My grandmother didn't tell me what ethnicity she had, but she's from Kislovodsk.
Abhkazians soon will be russoficated. All tabloids, documents and bureaucracy are already in russian. Even with georgian genocide they are still minority in their own state.
We deport them back to Turkey once again like in 19th century
>>56992058
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teip
>>56992058
Tsontaroy (Цoнтapoй) is a populous and influential tribal group (teyp, тeйп) from Eastern Chechnya.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A6%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9
>>56992152
Ch*ch*ns cannot be considered human
>>56992199
Not if you will sink.
If that does not happen, it will be partly russian and partly armenian
>>56992216
>>56992152
>>56992208
Are they pro-independence?
>>56992199
I think this is true. All the Abkhazians in Turkey that go back and forth always say the same thing. They say that its over for them.
>>56983522
>What's the easiest one to learn?
Literally the hardest languages on the planet. Not even joking.
>>56992358
No, theyre pro russian and want the republic to remain the way it is
>>56992430
Especially to an Anglophone.
>>56992358
>>56992437
At best they would like to take the position which is held by Kadyrov's teyp (free monies from Moscow in exchange for apparent stability).
>>56992524
Then why did dutchechen say he was for independence?
>>56992880
He said they are pro-Russian.
>>56992437
What's wrong with you?
The only languages that will remain in North Caucasus in the next 50 years is Chechen and Ingush, others soon will be remain in past and assimilated
>>56993490
As long as there are secluded auls with the traditional way of life, there will be minor languages.
>>56990013
>Even Georgian is extremely difficult
Plus their alphabet looks like pairs of boobs.
>>56993843
But that's a plus.
https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/more-on-the-hardest-languages-to-learn-non-indo-european-languages/
>>56993860>>56993843
Even though I'm gay I think it's beautiful.
>>56994596
Why would you be gay when you have so many cuties there?
Hello guys chechen here.
Ask me anything.
>>56983522
They are mostly muslims
>>56994669
I'm just that way. I love guys' rods and buttcheeks.
>>56994685
What are your customs like? How hard is your language to learn?
>>56994404
Sample Georgian: "Putini omis siskhlis samart’lis da k’urdi. Arasodes dagvavitsqdeba 2008!"
Yeah fuck this moonspeak.
>>56994685
Are your parents refugees from one of the Russo-Chechen wars?
>>56989415
What makes Ossetian cool?
Their Iranid, descendants of Alan's and Scythians in general.
Don't listen to the other anon, the shit about King Arthur is all myth with zero substance for "muh heritage" purposes
>>56994742
But.. cute slavlings..
Are you that linguist guy?
gibe skype.
>>56994790
that sentence is very very wrong grammatically
>>56994790
Did anyone else notice that the Georgian word for "thief" is "Kurd"?
>>56994755
Our language is pretty hard to learn, because you need to use your throat to say some words which is really hard unless its your native language.
And what do you mean by customs sorry not the best at english.
>>56994921
there's one letter difference.
k'urti = kurd
k'urdi = thief
>>56994796
yes
>>56994933
Customs are like traditions or holidays.
>>56994814
I guess that's neat. I'm more interested in the indigenous languages though.
>>56994859
>Are you that linguist guy?
If you mean who asked you to write the example sentences, that's me. I'm not a linguist though, I just love languages.
walryss.nlm
>>56995020
added
>>56995007
Because Chechenya is mostly muslim we have the regular holidays that muslims have like ramadan.
We dont have any special kind of holidays that only our country has if thats what you mean.
>>56994975
Do they adhere to Islam, support shari'a?
>>56995345
Yes.
>>56995441
And you?..
>with decent enough resources to learn? What's the easiest one to learn?
Kabardian
>Do people in the Circassian diaspora still speak Circassian?
No, most don't.
>>56990762
>I'm a Mingrelian-Abkhazian.
Cool. Did you grow up in Abkhazia?
>>56995513
Was born there, but did not grow up there much for obvious reasons.
>>56995513
Do you know of any resources for Kabardian? Why is it the easiest?
>>56995452
I am muslim and i follow the simple rules of islam like not eating pig and praying but i do not support the mass killings of innocent people and neither did my parents.
There's a lot of brutal languages although Arabic is widely said to be the hardest to have more than a few million speakers. They say that Arab children on average do not fully master the language until the age of 12 while English is basically figured out by kindergarten.
>>56994685
When are you going to bomb an airport or something? There is the lack of happenings in Sweden.
>>56992199
>oil drying up in the next 25 years
>russians are still shit talking people
i would look to my own if i were you petroluslav, you will get fucking genocided when you run out of oil
>>56995614
Where are you living now?
>>56995639
It's not the easiest but it's the language with the most available resources.
>>56996041
Where can I find resources for Kabardian? So far all I've got is a grammar book.
>>56996041
Tbilisi.
>>56996093
>Where can I find resources for Kabardian?
Most resources are in Russian..
>>56996093
Is it true you also call yourselves "Golchi"?
>>56996156
Second question was for you >>56996156 .. the word for megrelian in Circassian is "dol"
>>56995739
Arabic is fairly useful to learn if you work for the CIA. Otherwise not much.
>>56996581
>the word for megrelian in Circassian is "dol"
Now that raises even more questions.
I need etymology please.
What do you call Georgians?
We call ourselves "Margalef" (plural)
>>56996621
>I need etymology please.
>What do you call Georgians?
I have no clue about the etymology of this word.
We call Georgians "Xyrts"..
>>56996895
THAT IS FUCKING INTERESTING.
Got skype?
>>56996621
But "Xrts" is the singular form.. "Xrtsaxar" would be plural..
What's your Skype name?
>>56997127
add the Russian above and he'll redirect you
>>56995020
I'm fairly sure that 80% of /int/ only knows three things about Georgia. :)
>Stalin
>boob-shaped alphabet
>2008
>muslim slavs
*vomits internally*
>>56997361
Caucasians aren't Slavs and the language family is non-Indo European and completely unlike IE languages in any way.
