Do people in Spain and Portugal feel shame because of the state of their colonies? Basically you guys went there as conquerors, to lands rich in all manners of resources and you managed to turn them all into literal shitholes, the worst places to live on Earth besides Africa.
That is quite an achievement. I mean, if I were you, I'd be pretty embarrassed.
>>56848477
brazil will be a superpower by 10 years.
>>56848477
yeah, but they choose to follow that way. Fuck them.
why does earth still look green from space even though there are cities
i'd be p impressed desu
those places were only relevant when they were attached to the crown.
>>56848560
Cities aren't big enough to be seen from space
>>56848477
>Portuguese
>conquerors
either not our fault they chose the degenerate way
btw
>implying Midle East better than South America
>>56848560
Cities are tiny compared to the forests and grasslands
>>56848477
Yes.
But you can't do nothing if the countries are populated by races of inferior intelligence
They didn't stole that much from us desu
My country was literally poor since the begining of their existence, almost cero resources that the Spanish could extract, so they used this country just to stablish some cities, slave the natives and fuck their wives.
>>56848560
We were colonized by shitholes. Thank god Southern Cone has some german colonies.
>>56848477
At least they're more relevant than Hungary.
The Portuguese and the Spanish are the niggers of Europe, what did you expect??
>>56848477
>Do people in Spain and Portugal feel shame because of the state of their colonies?
>you managed to turn them all into literal shitholes
They managed to turn their home countries into literal shitholes so they may be more concerned about that.
>>56848477
The Southern Cone remains a decent place though.>>56848688
you fags try to turn countries who still lived naked in forests into civilized countries
>inb4 genocide
not my fault you guys are savages who don't rape women like us u_u
>>56848815
This.
To the point we were receiving European immigrants and our economy was better than Spain and Italy's combined "might". That lasted for a few decades, until the US started fucking us over and over again.
>>56848815
but Argentina is a recession shithole. Bolivia, Colombia or Peru are doing much better economically.
>>56848728
at least you were relevant with us, in one of the biggest empires of the world. Now you stay in your third world country m8
>>56848727
>implying being relevant is a good thing
But we are fine with that. Safety through obscurity, ever heard of it? We're quite content to live in a small European country where nothing really happens. You don't hear about muslims threatening us, now do you? They're just wandering in and exploding randomly in Western Europe, because they're a much more attractive target, while we stay in our comfy homes and eat goulash.
>>56848873
That looks like Detroit. Except chimneys don't work in Detroit because they're more poor than that.
>>56848560
That's a nice education you got there
>>56848917
Don't be mad my nigger, it's just the truth.
>>56848960
American education.
What could you expect.
>>56848873
You keep posting this picture even when is so obvious is old as fuck just by looking the models of the cars...plus, is just a part of a city, would you really can tell the whole reallity of, say, USA by looking at the shittiest part of Detroit?
Sudacas need to be exterminated
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They were worse when we got there.
>>56849023
Horseshit. You went there, ate their food, took a shit and then fucked off.
>>56849023
You were worse when you got here too
>>56848477
>Do people in Spain and Portugal feel shame because of the state of their colonies?
They are not our colonies to the extent that I'm aware of.
I don't feel any shame about the current status of a colony my ancestors left some 200 years ago.
>I mean, if I were you, I'd be pretty embarrassed.
How can you tell? Not like you have ever had any colonies to know what one is supposed to feel like
>>56849001
the north looks like shit, it's full of bolivians, peruvians and colombians living in shacks and the heat and quakes erode everything, the chilean neighborhoods look okay but they're copypasted loft houses built by mining companies..
t. calameño
>>56849055
>>56849061
Yes, they were flourishing civilizations that hadn't invented the wheel and which practiced human sacrifice... a pity they're not still around
We got potatoes and tomatoes for ending that, I think it's a fair trade
>>56848477
t.Gypsie scum
The southern part is good because it contains Croatian immigrants. I shit you not
>>56849186
Portugal didn't invent the wheel either, they just stole it from superiors in the fertile crescent.
>>56848477
World War I was the embarrassment I would say.
>>56848477
the only "bad" part about it is that if i was to relocate to north america right now i'd probably deal with being "spanish" which means latin american to them, due not only to our poor colonies but also their ebin education
im not at all embarrassed that we wuz conquerors and shit. im proud. no matter how much north americans use our language and names as a synonym of misery, or despise our ex colonies, that's the legacy of the spanish empire and you can tell it has an effect because they're hard working and productive despite everything, just like indians are poor but a british colony and its noticeable, as opposed to for example sandniggers. so that's a good legacy imo even if they are unlucky with their economy.
>>56849250
uhhh, technically you stole the wheel too, also democracy among a 200 other thingss. So you telling him that is like two siblings arguing and one of them saying - yeah? well your mother is a whore. Or spitting upwards then standing directly under it.
>>56848477
I don't see why Spaniards and the Portuguese should feel shame for their ancestors' mistakes.
I, as a Latin American though, certainly feel shame for the situation in all these countries, particularly El Salvador. It pains me to know perfectly hard-working and brilliant people there, who're basically wasting their talents due to a lack of opportunities, a lack of a decent economic impetus, all the problems with gangsters (try setting up a business without them pestering you)... A shame.
And I'd still add all the pollution on top of that, to make matters worse.
>>56849373
Do you even realize you're arguing the point in my favor?
>>56849376
What the fuck is El Salvador?
>>56849465
>What the fuck is El Salvador?
The Latin American "Taiwan" that never was and never will be.
>>56849465
It's a country in Central America. Broke off from the federal republic of Central America in the mid 19th century. Cramped and overcentralized with six or something million people, high crime rate, high murder rate. Borders Nicaragua, Guatemala as well. Capital is San Salvador
They also have two provinces in Victoria 2 which produce tropical wood and coffee(?)
>>56849247
>Croacia
>civilizado
>>56848477
don't be dumb
>>56849465
No, I'm just pointing out that literally every single civilization has built upon the inventions of another. Accusing a nation of "stealing" something is quite retarded. Culture and technology isn't trademarked.
>What the fuck is El Salvador?
Central American country. Apparently it's the murder capital of the world.
>>56849583
It's uncolonized in EU4 so I wouldn't know.
>>56849680
But that was my argument. The natives didn't invent the wheel and neither did we.
>>56849837
Oh...oh! Okay, nevermind, it's late and I'm tired.
I'm sorry :(
>>56848815
because its cold
this hot jungles will never be decent places to live. even if they were good places the weather sucks
>>56849625
Los Serbios son gente buena en realidad. Deberiamos haber matado los CongolombiANOS
>>56849912
the weather of Bogota, Quito, San Jose or Lima is never too hot, unlike Buenos Aires, for example, which gets very hot at summer.
>>56848477
Spanish colonies are shit,Brazil is the only good thing about south america.
>>56848477
Tropical areas are doomed to be shitholes.
>>56849250
Yeah, but you're stealing all the people from the fertile crescent.
As a Hungarian-descendent living in Brazil, I couldn't be more ashamed of you, OP.
Colonization is all Spaniards and Portuguese ever had. Without them they became the failures they are today too.
>>56848477
it's not their fault tho
>>56850009
go to countrycompare, compare argentina to colombia
>>56850119
>Discover
>Shoot 80 million natives
>>56850143
Quick heads up: you can easily get Hungarian citizenship if you can prove that you're the descendant of a Hungarian and you speak Hungarian to some degree. Even if you think this country is shit, keep it in mind that with a Hungarian citizenship you also get free travel within the EU.
Just some food for thought.
>>56848680
Ironia, Manoel? Vocês só não tem índios, pois negros e portugueses vocês têm aos montes.
>>56850300
Is it a weather website?
>>56850210
Colonization could be done because we were two of the most powerful countries in the world.
Also, no one gives a single fuck about south america here on Spain.
>>56848552
Nigga you stole all our shit and instituted the most retarded colonial model ever to sustain your historic backwardness. British empire implanted poblation and established a well organized social order. You just sucked us dry to pay for your siestas.
>>56850619
>Also, no one gives a single fuck about south america here on Spain.
but you guys need to slap some sense into venezuela before they implode SA's economy
>>56850619
>were
Exactly, look at the embarrassment you are today. You have no exuses
>>56850428
Yeah, I've been planning to study the language after finishing the college to know more about my ancestors and culture. However, the information I got it's that is really hard to get the citizenship, even proving my heritage. I still want to do tourism, tho.
>>56850576
Then what it has to do with what I said about weather?
>>56848477
Chile and argentina aren't too bad tbqh
>>56850873
kinda wanna see some lesbian spanish portuguese porn now desu senpai
>>56848477
>the worst places to live on Earth besides Africa
Pretty sure it isn't. Asia is worse and Eastern Europe barely better.
>>56850873
nah, they did a law a couple of years ago, that made people of hungarian descent super easy to get citizenship. in three to five months I think. But you must have proof you are of hungarian descent or speak the language.
This pissed off the asspained slovaks who declared that anyone who has any other citizenship besides their retarded slovak one, loses the slovak citizenship, screwing over the hungarian minority in their country. Fuck I hate slovaks.
Anyway, you'd be welcomed in our country even if you weren't hungarian :) Hope you'll visit us one day.
>>56850931
>people actully believe this
>>56851058
You scored a mid sized jackpot on the lottery of life
Just think you could have been born in africa or the middle east.
>>56850428
Is ''Gallyas'' a common surname there?
I've never met anyone else with my lastname besides my family
To be honest, the actual situation of hispanic america is no the fault of the ancient metropoli, for example: the failure of the federation of Central America was completely our fault. Now we are six poor countrylets with no relevance.
We had 200 years to develop our countries and we failed.
>>56851186
>Thinks 200 years is a long time
The most successful upstart nation is the USA and look at how shit they are.
>>56851186
You guys should really consider mass suicide tbqh
>>56851259
We're one of the best nations in the world.
>>56851288
>>56851259
The US wasn't as exploited as them
>>56851288
You mean union of 50 states with their own separate laws. With yearly riots and a civil war in the modern era.
>>56851347
Yet. It's just weird to see what wasn't even a nation before cannons were invented give up so soon.
>>56851259
t. somali
>>56851259
Europe was a battlefield only about 70 years ago, now look at yourselves, you are, at this time, the best place to live in the world, 200 years are a large amount of time.
>>56851131
No, I've never met anyone with that surname either, it's uncommon I guess. There's a town in Slovakia with the same name, so one of your ancestors probably came from there a couple of hundred years ago.
If you didn't already know, Gally means tree-branch.
It's pronounced like this: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1K9n1umVgmX
>>56850819
No excuses for what? Everyone has their golden age. Today we are just fine.
Spain is still the 5th EU economy and the third most visited country in the world.
>>56851458
Even so European nations have thousands of years of stability to harken back to, you're still just finding your identity. Remember that Europe has an eastern part and they're in the same situation.
>>56848477
>Hungary
>Get beaten by everyone in WWI including tiny Serbia
>Totaly forgotten zero influence
>Full of muslims that are traped, because they wanted Germany
>Brags about other places being shitholes
CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>56848477
>do you feel shame by yourself living with slaves and indians in the americans
At least in Brazil case we are portuguese people living in the americas with the biggest legacy of european laziness: slavery. if it's a failure then it was a cultural failure from the start, unless you find some other sucessful portuguese colony.
>>56851424
>You mean union of 50 states with their own separate laws.
We like to delegate certain powers as local as possible.
>With yearly riots and a civil war in the modern era.
>just like europe every other week
![904px-Macau_locator_map.svg[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/6UQy40z.png "904px-Macau_locator_map.svg[1].png")
>>56851710
>unless you find some other sucessful portuguese colony
sup
>>56851747
Tell me about the LA riot of Europe then.
>>56851710
Você é burro.
>>56851817
>552K population
>no nigs
>small territory
>asians
How could go wrong?
![Districts_and_Sub-Districts_of_Goa[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/usCJTnF.png "Districts_and_Sub-Districts_of_Goa[1].png")
>>56851911
sup
>>56851052
Good news, then! I really want to visit Hungary, and, who knows, live there. How the hungarians reacts to foreigners? Specially brazilian ones.
>>56851879
Brixton was probably equivalent.
>>56849186
If you tally sacrifice numbers and compare them to executions in Europe at the time, the Europeans' version of "human sacrifice" was much bloodier.
>>56852685
But which had the bigger population? Per capita is the only fair comparison
>>56848560
>50MALIA EDUCATION
They have nothing to be embarrassed because it's our failure, not theirs.
>inb4 EL HORO
We've had more than enough time since independence to stop being banana republics.
>>56851463
lol I always thought it was pronounced ''Galleeas''
>couple hundred years ago
only 80 years ago m8
>>56852809
holy fuck this is an annoying picture
>>56853156
/co/ is doing some shit with it right now.
>>56852261
iiiiiiiieeee. I can't sugarcoat this. People are generally very friendly to foreigners, the only issue you could have is if you're slightly too...well, brown. I know people in Brazil are often mixed, hence the warning, I'm not sure how white are you.
Asians and blacks are different because everyone assumes they're tourists or college students, so they're treated with respect and a great deal of interest, but people with a less than white skin color might get mistaken for a gypsy, which is really insulting.
Hungarians are mildly racists because of bad experiences with gypsies - and nowadays fear of muslims. Just avoid torn jeans and have a groomed appearance everyone will ignore you, but I felt I needed to explain this. You should never expect violence, but an undeserved contemptous look can be pretty awful.
However if people knew you were from Brazil, you could really easily make friends, because Hungarians are very curious folk.
>>56853073
Well I wasn't sure when did your folks leave. Anyway, most surnames are at least 150, 300 years old if not more.
>>56848477
>Hungary
>>56853558
memes aside, we can be whiter than you think bruh. It's not south africa where white people are rare.
NOT
>>56851424
What civil war is that anon. The modern age starts in the 1900s
>>56850091
This.
South colonies were an experiment, our final project is USA and they are fine.
>>56853988
I know, I know. I just wanted to portray realistically my country. Truth is, there is some racism. Not that anyone should be scared away because of that, but it's good to be aware of it, even if one is white.
I'm kinda ashamed tb.h. I had a mexican friend, and he looked native enough to be a priest Quetzalcoatl. And he once asked me what Hungarians would think of him, and I was pretty speechless. Like, how does one explain to a friend that most people would assume he's a gypsy just because of his skin and would be dismissive to extremely rude? So embarrassing. He was the nicest guy ever too.
>>56848728
>>56848985
Are you the shitposter from El Salvador that only say shit? Specially against your Spanish masters
>>56848477
This land, as well as the rest of South America, was conquered by the two shittiest European countries. I highly doubt that if the British came here first, we would be in such a bad shape as we are now.
>>56854751
>Spanish masters
>So stupid that they couldn't defeat Native Americans
>only conquered this land because disease wiped out 60% of the native population
Sure you are my moor, friend.
>>56853558
I see... well, I'm definitively white in my country, but maybe to Europeans I'm just a latin, so I don't know if I fit in the stereotype. Anyway, I watched a documentary about a brazilian girl trying to get her hungarian citizenship long ago and she face some problems with the Director of some archive in Hungary (idr correctly) mostly to the fact the she is a jew. There is an issue about this too? Just to make clear, I'm not a jew, just curious about that.
>>56854533
What's the deal with gypsies
>>56855418
They don't like to work, and they're professionals at robbing people, if someday you travel to Spain, France or Germany you will see why people hate them so much.
>>56848552
t. Andalucía
>>56848560
pic related
>>56855418
racism from Europeans, intolerance, not being able to respect diversity and difference.
>>56855687
Yes, but why everyone relate them to Hungary so much?
>>56855865
That is up to the Hungarian to explain because I don't have idea
>>56848680
Argentina is whiter and poorer than both USA and Canada
>>56855830
Tbqh, we always had problems with gypsies here in Brazil as well. When we were colony it was common to summon the militia to expel them when they arrived in a settlement, so they mostly settled in the far countryside or abandoned their way of life. Until this day we have the second biggest roma population.
>>56851259
delete
>>56850873
What's Aljubarrota?
>>56855372
>I see... well, I'm definitively white in my country, but maybe to Europeans I'm just a latin, so I don't know if I fit in the stereotype
If you're as white or whiter than Natural you won't experience any racism
Anyway, things have changed in my opinion. Nobody really cares if somebody is a jew anymore. Sure there are dicks in every nation, maybe that director was one of them.
>>56855687
sadly a lot of this is true. Not all of them, but a lot are really thieves and troublemakers. Some are hardworking folks tho, but they're rare.
>>56855865
I'm uncertain. Mexicans have told me, they call gypsies in their country Hungarians. Apparently they have good reputation there (now that's a first!) because they were circus folk or something, I can't remember.
I'm assuming a lot of gypsies had left Hungary over the centuries to other countries. They continued to think of themselves as Hungarians even after they had left, so I imagine when they were asked, they told everyone they were Hungarians. So now everyone in South America thinks we're gypsies.
>>56848683
They probably stole more than you think, that native slave (and thus free) work generated more money for the spanish crown than whatever resources they could loot.
>>56848815
Mosty because Chile and Argentina had nothing, not even large indian populations to exploit, less spanish influence = less bullshit institutions like the encomienda, mita and resguardo.
>>56848477
>the worst places to live on Earth besides Africa
From all colonies of all Europeans only a few made it well, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, with the best Portuguese colony, us, and the Best Spanish Colony, Chile, not that bad.
Just look at Asia without Japan and South Korea and tell me if you dare to live in any place there.
Spain and Portugal are by any means to blame for our shitty standards.
ALSO
1. We are not that shitty, most iberoamerican countries are actually pretty good by global standards, we are better than africa, the middle east, oceania and all the asian countries aside from Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and China, who the fuck really believes we are really that shitty?
2. Up to the 1940's all south american countries were higher on standards than european countries, those were back in the days before american interventionism that was literally our ruin.
3. Aside from American interventionism, most things here are our fault really, the spaniards actually left a shitton of institutions that we erradicated and then fought between ourselves for 150 years, we started to grow a lot when wars stopped but then americans and their monroe doctrine fucked us up in the ass.
>>56856582
>with the best Portuguese colony, us
about that
>>56849376
oi there, did we pick you up from those """'revolutions"""" in south america in the seventies, or did you get here for some other reason? or just here on holiday i guess
>>56849964
no, los serbios son animales y tenemos que matarlos todos como en la guerra
>>56852809
away with you stralia
>>56857000
kill yourself, croRATA
>>56857087
you first, serbiANO
>>56857000
CHI
>>56857000
>>56857155
Nice digits, fellow leaf.
>>56856816
Macau is the eternal ultramarine cassino-province of the Portuguese Empire, not a colony.
>>56849376
I know a salvadorian medic. I guess he is quite good for salvadorian standards. He works in emergency here. He is neighbour to my ugly as fuck, but kind as fuck peruvian housekeeper.
I dreamed of her killing me for my watch.
>>56857511
>I know a salvadorian medic. I guess he is quite good for salvadorian standards.
M8 we have some of the best doctors in Latino America, if he is working outside of my country then it probably means he graduated from Harvard or some other good American uni.
I'm a medical school student and I think our engineering and medical sciences departments are some of the best.
>>56856596
>Spain and Portugal are by any means to blame for our shitty standards.
what the fuck m8, the viceroyalty of Peru was amongst the richest entities of the period, alongside New Spain
>>56848477
Independence with british sponsored liberalism is what mostly fucked us, during the colonial period we were the foremost trade center between Europe and Asia, New Spain was ar richer than what the thirteen colonies could hope to be and the continent itself was partaking in the worlds fastest urbanization standars with renaissance modeled cities quickly dotting the landscape
>>56856582
Honestly, and I'm not sure if this backs up your point or not, but I could live in Thailand.
A lot of the country is very nice and modern.
Although they were the only SEA country to not be colonised so maybe that has something to do with it.
>>56857700
Mexico and Peru were the cancer of the Spanish Empire, Viceroys were corrupt as fuck, merchants monopolized demand/supply and the vast majority of their citizens were semi slaves who earned debts instead of wages. At the end of the day all that wealth served to no other purpose than to fill the pockets of a few rotten nobles who had no loyalty to either the colonies, the king or the empire.
>>56857669
I guess we can speak in spanish so
El problema es cultural. De alguna manera se las arregla para no adaptarse. Huele a fritura porque al parecer le gusta comer cosas fritas, sigue usando palabras que nadie entiende, y mide algo mas de metro y medio.
El problema con eso es que en Chile si eres negro y mides un metro y medio, se ve a un km que no eres chileno, y nadie quiere ser atendido por un médico que no es chileno. Entonces eso lo priva de acceder a clínicas privadas en dónde podría optar por un mejor salario.
Trajo a su familia y viven con él. arrumbados todos en un espacio ínfimo, y siguen haciendo sus mierdas fritas, con otros salvadoreños residentes, colegas o lo que fuere.
Te estoy hablando de alguien a quien mi nana peruana mira en menos y con altivez. Ese es el estandar cultural del tipo.
No digo que el salvador sea así (no tengo idea, nunca fui ni pienso ir) o centro america, pero da para pensar no? Si un médico salvadoreño se comporta así (poco más que un animal para nuestro estandar) qué queda para el campesino promedio? Me vas a decir que duermen en hamacas, tienen piso de tierra o comen lagartos?
>>56857977
>Trusting your empire to merchant plebs while you siesta the whole day
Spain/10
>>56857977
Not really worse than today tho, shame the Bourbon reformations were trumped by that same elite that eventually would form the independent goverment
>>56858037
ateo
>>56848680
right on, brasil is shit because is so damn populated by portuguese
>>56858037
i read this twice and i still don't get how it really relates to his comment, ateo. he's talking about his country, not yours.
>>56858037
>El problema es cultural. De alguna manera se las arregla para no adaptarse. Huele a fritura porque al parecer le gusta comer cosas fritas, sigue usando palabras que nadie entiende, y mide algo mas de metro y medio.
Esto entonces realmente me da pena oírlo, y no, no es cultural, los salvadoreños no nos comportamos asi.
>El problema con eso es que en Chile si eres negro y mides un metro y medio
Esto mismo pasa en El Salvador tristemente no es exclusivo de Chile.
>Entonces eso lo priva de acceder a clínicas privadas en dónde podría optar por un mejor salario.
Aquí en los negocios, consultorios, comerciales de televisión, firma de abogados, lo que sea es bastante obvio que la propaganda "joliwudense" a hecho lo suyo. Mirarte Nativo Americano (como me imagino que se mira él) te cierra muchas puertas.
>qué queda para el campesino promedio? Me vas a decir que duermen en hamacas, tienen piso de tierra o comen lagartos?
Lol lo dijiste en broma, pero esto es cierto, no es que tengan muchas opciones, si los tipos apenas tienen para comer lastimosamente.
Pues bueno el timo suena como un mal estereotipo, pero yo realmente nunca me he topado con un médico salvadoreño así, ni aqui, ni en otra parte. Por como se comporta entonces dudo mucho que haya tenido una alta educación, pero que se yo, ya quizá así es el tipo, le vale madres. Los mismos médicos que me dan clase a mí dan clases en Francia, Argentina y Alemania tambien, y pues dudo mucho que se comporten así por aquellos lugares.
