what the hell happened to argentina? what can we learn from them?
Say no to socialism.
That fascism only works in yurop.
what's that? railways?
Argentina is 70% italian
>>56790714
yes
But I'm sure if we tried we couldn't fuck up so much.
>>56790607
We aren't better desu :(
>>56790912
Comparing sudaca countries and European ones is like comparing shit with chocolate
>>56790915
but now polan has a pretty damn decent highway system still growing. Argentina hasn't even that. I've read 1500km of highways vs the around 3000km of Poland, 7000km of italy or 16000km or Spain, much smaller countries but except for Italy with a similar population
>>56790915
Lmao why?
Portuguese railways nowadays.
A lot were deactivated in 1990 since they could no longer compete with the better roads we built once we joined EU
highways
>>56790640
the trains were lost under a capitalist presidency, (Carlos Menem 1990). So I guess it would be "say no to capitalism, say yes to socialism"
Pretty sure it's because rail isn't all that profitable nowadays since everything is manufactured overseas and shipped to you. Our rails on America only exist because of heavy government subsidies. Rail was more useful when we were industrialized, because you need to regularly ship materials from where they're extracted to where they're refined to where they're made into products. Shipping things by boat is an order of a magnitude cheaper than rail, so now that everything is made in China/etc there's not much need for rail.
>>56791904
To add, I think >>56790915 is proof of what I'm saying. Communist regimes like Poland back then didn't care much about efficiency and they were already invested in rail, so the government just kept with that. Now that they're capitalist, they use more efficient modes of transport and probably just sold the old rails for scrap metal.
>>56790607
hahaha what? this board and /pol/ LOVES free market and shit on everything not free,
guess under what system did those railways die? liberalism
>>56790640
Literally the inverse happened
>>56791673
That's pathetic. What happens to the people who live in the middle? Like in between Coimbra e Castelo Branco?
WTF is Peronism anyway? A mix of socialism and fascism? I read that Juan Peron was buddies with both Nazis and Che Guevara.
>>56790607
Peronistas lost the power and the new pro-free market and pro-US government sell all the rails and almost everything that was under argentinian control
>>56793408
Yes.
Peronism is similar to spanish sindicalism, it's basically non-marxist socialism, therefore similar to fascism too.
>>56793408
Nigga, fascism was started by leftists.
>>56790607
Capitalism
>>56793408
Good musicians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtNpLS4GQOA
Rails weren't profitable.
And the reason we didn't have those under "neo-socialism" with kristina or nestor was because syndicalism and truckers.
So it's syndies fault
>>56793408
Their own kind of nationalistic fascism. In theory it sounds great wwhen you read it, but you see the results.
>>56793642
It's just something you have to do for 2 decades and then just drop it gradually.
>>56793408
It's National Socialism.
They suck a dictator's cock and he gives peasants jobs, housing, healthcare and education. But everyone must be Catholic and non-degenerate.
A similar system was popular in Brazil too.
Peronism
>>56790607
argentina is a city-state now, the surrounding areas are there just for buenos aires' benefit
>>56790912
YES!
We are in europe!
>>56793408
that is peronismo, yes
>>56793526
Disillusioned ex leftists. Fascism always claimed to be either in the middle because it borrows from both sides, or above the left/right dichotomy.
>>56793408
Right now it's a political wildcard, politicians say they are peronists to gain votes
The neo-liberal guy who sold everything in the 90s? He said he was a peronists, and peronist people voted him
>>56793919
>now
you're so cute
>>56790912
Neat map
>>56794723
>>56790912
Look at that shit. Remember that the train system was owned by the state. It was impossible for us to maintain that shit.
If maybe, it was sold little by little to privates who actually invested in them... maybe... ;_;
>>56792095
>they use more efficient modes of transport
>implying anything can beat top of the line trains
>>56790607
>>56790912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4FYMsFvDT0
>>56795076
importing everything was cheaper, free market ftw
>>56794891
HAHAHA
ours is not that better
>>56792095
That applies to the US but the situation in Argentina is different. Things are transported by trucks with the trains gone. Which makes things more expensive and reliant on the truckers syndicate. They have more power here than they should.
![maps[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CgvNG42.jpg "maps[1].jpg")
You know this happened in pretty much every country right? Argentina had it a bit worse because of their economy.
>>56795343
What in the utter fuck, I was just posting that.
How dare you Beeching. I'm on to you
>>56795343
Why does this happens?
>>56795408
trains were thought to be outdated and people trusted in cars
Lots of places ditched rail. Trains are super inconvenient 90% of the time.
>>56795408
how many private companies are going to set up a railway system? few to none
and how many private companies are actually able to buy some trucks and start delivering?
>>56795408
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Beeching
And countries need trucks because to keep active the economy.
More trains, less trucks. Sad...
>>56791904
>>56792095
The USA makes heavy use of railways. You use it for freight not passengers. IIRC the US freight rail network is one of the most extensive in the world. So I think your point is completely wrong, railways have remained an efficient and useful tool for the US.
>>56795408
>Why does this happens?
British railways started out as private enterprises during Victorian times. Rail travel was booming so it was profitable. After WW2 the railways were nationalised along with much else, and at the same time cars became the Next Big Thing. Use of the railways declined and the railways became unprofitable, so the government did what you saw in the picture.
But then something happened that no one was expecting...
Why do people romanticize rail so much?
![JZUSA15-0925-fig01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hZDeqn7.jpg "JZUSA15-0925-fig01[1].jpg")
>>56795408
... Brits started to take the train again. In record numbers. Now they are even re-opening some of the old lines that Beeching closed. It's quite a spectacular turn around
>>56795727
Because it goes: choo choo
>>56790607
90% of their population and economy is in Buenos Aires, they didn't need those railroads.
>>56795727
CHOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>56793361
They take other roads. Moron.
>>56795564
Nuh trains aren't super inconvenient if properly funded and developed (car trains, high speed trains etc).
The issue is the money you can take from railways and spend on other shit is instant gratification. Long term railway projects won't really get rewarded until the next govt is in office with our current production rate. Hence it's like the army, education etc. Cut it and spend on dumb shit yay more votes!
>>56795802
Not surprised. Where possible the train is massively more convenient than the bus.
There's a route near me which costs £4 and takes about 30 minutes to get between two major towns by bus. On the train it takes 5 minutes and costs £1.20
>>56793361
You are forgetting one thing: Portugal is *very* small, and has a pretty small population.
This is actually a pretty dense network of highways considering the country.
>>56795873
>>56795925
Compelling argument
>>56795637
But we have an extensive rail network BECAUSE the government subsidizes it.
>>56795961
Properly funded and developed is quite a challenge. We don't spend that kind of money on infrastructure projects unless they directly benefit the City of London.
>>56790607
All hispanosphere countries are doomed to perpetual failure. As long as spanish is the main language in argentina, it'll never be anything more than southern mexico (like the rest of south america).
spanish culture is shit.
>>56796173
For fuck's sake what kind of argument is this?
You have a big military because the government subsidises it.
You have the interstate road system because the government subsidises it.
You have NASA because the government subsidises it.
Yes, trains being public transport will involve the government even if the train companies are privatised, like they are in the UK
>>56791189
True, but wait another 5 years because there's still no complex road network between main cities. hnng I'm so excited
All of the new highway and expressway roads are cofunded by the EU, so every European car is welcome on our roads (except for butthurt germs).
Pic:
green- existed
red- in construction
>>56791489
>>56792095
Our railways were underfunding after '89. Why? Idk,stupidity of the guys in charge. Because even if we were poor, maintainng an infrastructure wasn't a big deal. So instead of repairing tracks etc., they lowered the speed limits.
Ofc, some of the lines weren't relevant but they really didn't care about economic reasons. After 20 years of devastated tracks they just cut them off, because "that way is cheaper".
>>56796269
chicano
>>56796269
chicano
>freight RRs will ship anything anywhere in the US
>meanwhile Amtrak has only 44 different routes
>34 of which service areas west of the Mississippi, aka wastelands where nobody actually lives anymore
>>56796402
>>56796480
I'm not wrong. Spanish is a shit culture and shit language. Notice how there's a very strong correlation between speaking Spanish, and living in a shitty country.
>>56796554
there's a specific phrase in your last post that makes you a chicano
>>56796497
for comparison
>>56790607
MENEM LIED
PEOPLE DIED
NEVER TRUST A TURK
>>56796588
>being this butthurt that your country is more or less an extension of mexico
mexico is basically what all spanish countries want to achieve: being America's favorite puta
>>56796652
chicano
>>56796698
sudaca
>>56796652
chicano
>>56796723
chicano
>>56796602
This disguises the worst thing about Amtrak: the frequency of the trains. I was shocked when I saw the timetables saying they only stop at a station twice a day. It's a shame because when I was in America I wanted to ride it but getting there for the specific time and organising a way to get back was too much hassle
>>56796613
>>56796282
I'm not making an argument, I'm simply explaining why we have more rails than other countries. The government subsidizes it to make it more economical like Argentina used to do. Argentina saw the massive decline in the amount of rails they have because they stopped subsidizing it so much.
>>56791189
>>56790912
>>56790607
blease stop
>>56796806
>>56795727
Because it seems like common sense that rail is more efficient than trucks and stuff. People also tend to romanticize the era when trains were more iconic and a symbol of progress. Like the wild west in the US.
I'd say were pretty doing well transport wise.
>meanwhile we just finished a 57km long tunnel
![amtk-25-utaline_co-[13-jun-2009]-001-3888x2592.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ft4hYZ9.jpg "amtk-25-utaline_co-[13-jun-2009]-001-3888x2592.jpg")
>>56796793
>twice a day
Amtrak's long-haul routes usually only have maybe one train a day at best (this includes early AM hours for overnight trains).
It's not a thing you can commute on. But it beats Greyhound.
>>56796835
your trains don't even use a normal gauge so they are undersized compared to regular ones
>>56795727
Because it's the most romantic way to travel. Getting to your destination while sipping a cup of tea and watching the English countryside roll by is one of the most pleasurable things you can do in life
>>56796956
How high are those mountains?
Is it just rail?
>>56795727
have you ever been on a bus for more than six hours
it's not fun
>>56796970
Thats because for long trips its better to book a flight and for short/medium you can use the car since americans have such cheap gas.
Also Trucks > Trains
>>56797189
>How high are those mountains?
they're stoned, dude
>>56797286
Nice
>>56797018
>Spain and Portugal
CAN YOU TWO FINALLY STOP DOING THAT SHIT?
EVEN NORTH AFRICANS DID IT RIGHT.
>>56797286
>>56797243
yeah, but there are not direct air connections to cities like Elko or Wabash. This is why Amtrak continues to exist.
>Also Trucks > Trains
It's cheaper to move things by rail m8
>>56797433
But then the town needs to have a trainstation and everything that comes with it, and how do you move the delivery to the super-market?
>>56797542
Fuck's sake Germany
>europeans don't share their streets with trains
>>56797189
Highest point is the gotthard pass at 2500m
Left tunnel is the old one from 1880 where the entry points is at Göschenen which is at an 1100m elevation.
New one on the left is 475m at it's entry point, giving a max speed of 250km/h.
>>56797652
>americans don't share their trains with royalty
>>56797542
In the US, most cities were built around train lines. In the nineteenth century the railroads basically owned most of the west, before slowly selling it off. As a result, any place of remote importance has a rail line into it.
>and how do you move the delivery to the super-market?
Most grocery chains have distribution centers outside cities which have rail links. Growers also move their product by rail, since bulk food is heavy and the scale involved makes semi trucks impractical.
>>56793526
>Nigga, fascism was started by leftists.
Riiiiiiiight
>>56797542
>>56797814
pic related are fruit trains from Florida
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juice_Train
>>56797542
Americans are only fat because it's extremely cheap for farms to get their product to market. Pic related was all turned into corn syrup.
>>56797752
railroads dissapeared from most Sudaca countries, not only Argentina.
>>56799735
lel
>>56790607
>OH LOOK
>IT'S THIS FUCKING THREAD
>AGAIN
Argentina has always been a shithole since it's very fundation, and even before that too.
Shit thread OP.
>>56790640
Say no to Spain's bastard children more like it
Here you can travel in real-time from Bergen to Oslo Norway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ7LORizfZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI68E-PEvFU
>>56800761
why the hell ppl immigrate there then
>>56790607
Menem
>>56801361
because people are masochists
>>56801348
didn't they show this on TV or something? I think is neat
>>56801361
Lot of opportunities.
But when you put a foot in here you become argie and that is the problem. Argie DNA is dangerous
>>56801461
yeah it was live on tv.
the station at 2:28:29 in the first video is the area where they filmed Hoth in star wars the empire strikes back.
>>56790607
Why are all of Spain's colonies so shit?
>>56801793
Well, Spain.
>>56801793
We are Italian tho with British money
>>56801872
they didn't learn from us, which is why so many indigenous tribes remain to exists
>>56802022
We killed all the indigenous here and some from Chile
>>56793361
no one lives there
>>56802124
Roca mistake was not going north
And Mitre and Pedro not to genocide paraguayans
>>56802369
Is it true that Paraguay is the drug capital of South America now?
>>56802552
that's still Colombia, follow by Bolivia and then Paraguay
Honorary mention to Peru for being dealers
>>56802797
Paraguay #1 by 2030 book it!
>>56802944
It's [current year] anon, not 2030
I mean come on
>>56802993
It's already 2018 in Australia.
>>56802369
>Roca's mistake
Do you even history?
>>56803037
>history related to talking a meme language in a anime japanese imageboard
