Central European here. AMA about the differences and commonalities between Slovenia and the rest of EX-YU.
>>56712011
I know for a fact that your istria = italy culture wise
>>56712011
Slovenia is a part of the Balkans friend, not Central Europe
>>56712011
I was in Slovenia last summer for week
Funny how your cities, towns, train stations look so similar to ours
Just little more cleaner...
>>56712098
Honestly nah
There is a hugr difference between Slovenia and for example Serbia
Even in people mentality
>>56712047
That's true. Everyone from the Slovenian coast (and also from Nova Gorica further up north along the border) knows Italian and is tuned in to Italian cultural currents. For instance, every single person I've met from the coast loved 60s Italian singer/songwriter Fabrizio De Andre. All the Italians I've met loved him just as much. On the other hand, no one in Ljubljana has ever heard of De Andre.
>>56712011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo
>>56712098
The Balkans stop at the old Croatian-Slovenian border. You can tell by the change of mentality as expressed in the common choice of swearwords (Croatian ones are very vulgar, Slovenian ones very mild). You can also tell the difference by the foreign politics of each of the countries - Croatians like staging border incidents, claiming land on the Slovenian side, and appropriating region-protected EU foods without any sense of shame. Slovenian diplomacy on the other hand is always obliging and courteous, never starting incidents, never taking aggressive action despite having political issues with three of its four neighbours.
>>56712104
Statistically speaking, 80% of all Slovenian house facades are in need of renovation, and there are graffiti everywhere, as is often remarked by western visitors.
>>56712306
Nah, compare to Prague Ljublana is almost graffiti free
And villages in alpes are in good conditions
>>56712306
>Slovenian diplomacy on the other hand is always obliging and courteous, never starting incidents, never taking aggressive action
>>56712011
Do you hate the Serbs as much as the Croats do?
>>56712165
Not true anymore, the older generations maybe, but apart from the italian diaspora, most of the younger generations dont know italian naturally, and are mostly (poorly) taught at schools
Literally just a small town in Serbia
>>56713681
No. Actually Serbs make up 7% of Slovenia's population, all of which have moved here since 1945, and they've faced no persecution from Slovenians, not even during the 1991 war of independence which was de facto a war between Slovenia and Serbia. Well, there were 9000 people who refused to take Slovenian citizenship just before the war and were thereafter denied the possibility of acquiring it for the next 13 years despite remaining Slovenian residents, until a media scandal broke out, ultimately leading to their financial recompensation, but that's really the extent of our hate towards Serbs.
>>56713765
We are literally the size of Vojvodina, which WILL become a sovereign nation someday. They are far too Central European for you.
>>56712011
one of us one of us
>>56712306
good God you are full of bullshit
>>56712011
Not as crowded with Germans as coasts in Croatia.
When I told I went to Ljubljana for a week-end, people asked me if I enjoyed my trip to Prypiat.
Thank God, that will be less tourists for you and more holidays for me.
>>56717867
>turkey has terrorist problems
>greece has immigratio
i think slovenia will feel it too,with more tourists
>>56712011
>Central European here
>KEK
pls stop embarassing yourself, the only central european thing you have in you is our dick when we visit dravograd for some cheap pussy. "eno pisdo prosim"
Guten Tag!
Wie geht's?
Slovenia is best ex-yugo, i feel your pain of having retarded brothers, we have Slovakia
>>56713873
>No. Actually Serbs make up 7%
According to which data? Or do you just make up numbers for fun?
>>56718536
>pisdo
LOOOOOOL
fuck off
>>56712098
Not really, no.
They are very similar to Wends in terms of culture, cuisine and behaviour.
>>56718536
Austrians are Slavs speaking Germans. Stay cucked, son.
>>56718909
>Wends
Wends are another term for Slavs.
>>56719054
Nope. It's a term for Vandals, who the present Poles are descendants of.
>>56719436
You're that idiot.
Google Windic march(much of modern day Slovenia) or Windischgratz (Slovenj Gradec) or Vendivek (Area in hungary with a slovene minority). Here's the first printed Slovenian book. The title is in German is it was smuggled.
See how it says "Catechismus in der windischen sprach" translated into Cathecisem in the Slovenian language".
Stop forcing your shitty revisionism that has no reason or sense behind it.
>>56719436
Actually it's a term for Lusatian Serbs, from which the Serbs that migrated to the south in the 6th century descend from.
>>56719779
You're also wrong. It's a generic name for slavs that lived near Germanics. That's it. That's why it's found literally everywhere that Germans and Slavs coexisted.
>>56719436
Why do the polish hate the fact that they're slavic so much?
>>56718767
> Slovene was in 2002 the first language of 87.8% of the inhabitants.[8][9] It was followed by Croatian (2.8%), Serbian (1.6%) and so-called Serbo-Croatian (1.6%).
What I said: Serbs of all religions make up at least 6% of the Slovenian populace.
>>56719943
Kek
>>56719846
We are not. We only speak a slavic language.
I'm a proud Vandal.
>>56719846
We used to hate it too with all the Venetic bullshit, remember. It's cause Slavs are associated with poverty and despotism and rapidly developing countries that have historically belonged to western Europe such as Slovenia and Poland want to be reincluded within Europe's inner circle, instead of being associated with communism or putinism.
>>56719943
90 % i would say
>>56719846
>Why do the polish hate the fact that they're slavic so much?
Not IRL. The whole wend/sarmatian thing is a banter confined to /int.
arent slovenians a mix between bosnians and serbians?
>>56720243
only on father's side
>>56720190
Not really lad
>>56720243
>Croats claim Bosnia as their own half the time
>the other half they banter Bosnians for being hicks just like we do
I just can't understand you
>>56720326
historically it was, its too contaminated with bosnians now
>>56720057
>implying there were no Croats in the chetniks.
I also dislike the fact they're called chetniks as they never called themselves as such and they weren't Serbian nationalists-which is usually the definition of a Chetnik. They were Yugoslav loyalists (thus Loyal to the Yugoslav government in exile) and Slovene nationalists and they were never numerous to begin with.
Most of them were Soldiers and Officers of the Yugoslav Royal Army that didn't surrender after the capitulation of Yugoslavia.
>>56719779
Actually, current Serbs have nothing to do with Lusatian Serbs. Ancient Serbs did, but they were exterminated by the T*rks. The Serbs we have now are not Slavs, they are a mix of Croatians, Illyrians, Romans, Gypsies and Turks. Serbian national identity as we know it was invented by Russians who wanted to have a real ally on Balkans, since Bulgarians were not reliable enough.
t. Vojvodina
>>56720314
t. vendo-sarmatian judeoteuton
>>56720326
dont mind the flag im from bosnia
theres a joke in my country, i believe its also well known in slovenia
"what does a bosnian do when he becomes 18?
he goes to slovenia to work
what does a slovene do when hes 18
he goes to bosnia to find his father"
jokes aside, i never understood why you guys speak such a different language from the rest of exyu,i dont even think its similar... why were you even in yugoslavia?
>>56720564
yes hello slavshit
please return to your precious ukraine
>>56720487
And here and there massacred non-serbs.
Yugoslav nationalists in first yugoslavia wanted serbian dominated yugoslavia.
>>56720555
good proxy ;-) I respect the effort, you forgot hungarians, those gypsy-turks fucked us also in the past
>>56720243
Cakavians and kajkavians are literally slovenes, shtokavians are serbs
>>56712011
Was Yugoslavia the Aghanistan of Europe?
>>56720570
>jokes aside, i never understood why you guys speak such a different language from the rest of exyu,i dont even think its similar
Nah, it's pretty much the same language with minor differences such as pronunciation, plural verb cases, the dual number, the gender of some nouns, and roughly 15% of the vocabulary. If we lived in the each other's countries for a couple of months, we'd be able to fully master the other's language, and I've seen both Croats and Serbs do it in such a short timespan.
>>56720797
If you look closer, you will realize that only Serbia is.
>>56720951
This is a very low blow magyar scum
>>56720767
>slovenija do tokija preko milvokija c c c c
>>56720846
i guess so but you could say to that for most slav languages , right?! i've heard people talk slovenian and i dont understand shit, i expected id be able to understand 80% at least , idk i i felt like i was cheated on
>>56721025
>Vojvodinian who hates Gypsies and T*rks
>Must be Magyar
Try harder
>>56721261
have you ever been north of Zagreb?
it looks like a penis
the red part is the head
>>56712306
>Slovenian diplomacy on the other hand is always obliging and courteous, never starting incidents, never taking aggressive action
>>56720570
Because we're also south Slavs except we don't speak Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian.
Slovenians (Slovenian politicians in Vienna to be precise) were a key part of the formation of Yugoslavia, Anton Korošec specifically.
>>56720730
>And here and there massacred non-serbs.
Give me one, one(1), example of how they massacred non-serbs. Did they massacre themselves, after all they were non-serbs?
You're also retarded for literally buying into the propaganda. They wanted a strong Yugoslav state without a single nationality establishing dominance (Why would any slovenian want serbian dominance, tard?) that can defend itself against Italian and German political, military and economic pressure because Slovenia, Slovenians and Slovene territory was coveted by all of its neighbouring countries.
When Yugoslavia died during world war 2 so did Slovenia which was carved up between Italy, Germany and Hungary and resulted in roughly 7% of the population dieing (above Yugoslav average) and another ~5%-~10% of the population being deported to German work/concentration camps, Croatia or Serbia-precisely what Slovene nationalists feared would happen if Yugoslavia dissolved. Neither Slovenia, Croatia or Serbia were strong enough independently to resist this foreign pressure-This is why the entire idea of a south Slav state came into being-to directly counter act the more powerful and larger states on its borders.
Thus the Slovene """"Chetniks"""" (which weren't Chetniks at all but Yugoslav and Slovene nationalists and were known as Plava Garda/Blue guard and officially known as Slovenska Armada Jugoslovanske Vojske v Domovini ("Slovene Army Group of the Yugoslav army in the Homeland") in Slovene) were a thing.
>ook je slavenski kmetovi pričaju između sebe na engleskom epizoda
>>56721376
just passed through
>>56721528
no hablo croatian :3
>>56712294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0qiAita4s
>>56721513
tldr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Yugoslavia
>>56721729
So, exactly 0 (zero) examples is what you're saying?
>Central Europe
no such thing
>>56721790
t. genghis
Does Croatia have good food?
>>56721367
Anyone who unironically says Vojvodinian is an assblasted hun rape baby so I don't have to try at all :^)
>>56721771
open link i posted
>>56721838
Does Norway have good food?
>>56721896
I did, not a single case of Slovenian Yugoslav nationalists massacring any non-serbs or massacring anyone at all. Yugoslav nationalists =/= Serbian nationalists (usually associated with Chetniks)
>>56721970
oh sorry, i tought you were referring to chetnik movement as whole
>>56721838
I'm actually half-Rusyn, half-Croatian, which means that yes, Vojvodina is my homeland.
Any more shilling from your side?
>>56712011
>>56712165
>>56721771
Culturally/Politically if you were to fit into a European political bloc which would it be and why?
A. Italy
B. Visegrad group
C. Former Yugoslavia
post pictures of your country's food
>>56722054
>I'm actually half-Rusyn, half-Croatian, which means that yes, Vojvodina is my homeland.
KEK, a mongrel with no heritage from Vojvodina whatsoever. if you just said magyar you would be hitting closer to home
>>56722054
>ethnomixing minorities with identity crises
I see it now, people say the Balkans are living in the past but in fact we a mirror to the future.
>>56722283
Nice try, Gypsy Turk. Why don't you go back to Turkey or India and leave Sorbs and Austrians their rightful clay?
>>56722045
No, that's the whole point of what I'm saying.
Slovenians that were Yugoslav nationalists had a good reason for it. They wanted a strong Yugoslav state (which would also be fair to all 3 nations) that could resist German and Italian pressure as Slovenian territory was directly under threat from the above mentioned countries.
Most people in Yugoslavia thought that way as well. It's why the communists (which based their propaganda on brotherhood and unity) were so popular in literally every Republic. If you look at partisans by nationality you'll see that Serbs, Croats and Slovenes are all fairly proportionally represented based on the population. Most people didn't even know what a communist is, they were uneducated plebs yet joined them anyway based on this. Most people who we're against it were mostly because they were commies not because they wanted a Yugoslav state.
>>56722230
None of them actually, the least of all Italy.
We're already politically tight with the Visegrad Group and Austria though.
>>56722373
Breivik pls
>>56722283
austria is a non-country though
>>56722230
None of the above. Višegrad is too right-wing for us, relations with Italy have been uneasy until recently due to wrangling over the position of the Slovenian minority there, and ex-yu is just dysfunctional at this point except for Croatia, with whom we are currently engaged in a border dispute. SLOVENIA STANDS ALONE, SLOVENIA STANDS ALONE, FUCK OFF JOHNNY FOREIGNER, SLOVENIA IS HER OWN! We def have the strongest economic ties with ex-yu of any region apart from Germany however.
>>56722435
>not breivikovic
You blew it
>>56722478
>Višegrad is too right-wing for us
Not really. SDS is still the 2nd most popular party in the country and I predict they, or other centre-right parties, will only gain popularity due to the left being comically incompetent lately and because of the whole refugees thing.
>We def have the strongest economic ties with ex-yu of any region apart from Germany however.
That's wrong though. It's Italy, Germany and Austria that comprise 40% of our exports. Over 50% of our exports are to Western/Central Europe.
>>56722389
>Nice try, Gypsy Turk.
I am actually a Slovak from Vojvodina, Krstur.
>>56722478
>Višegrad is too right-wing for us
Did you hear the news famfalam?
>>56722523
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/18/anders-behring-breivik-serb-nationalists
>slavs will never post pictures of their delicious foods
>>56722643
Oh, yes, you Vojvodina Slovaks always loved Serbian dick as much as they love Russian.
>>56722644
What's going on, Jakub?
>its another episode of balkan shitflinging, diaspora edition
this is why you were better off under our rule
>>56722831
Lefties btfo again in Brussels, V4 is the last saviour of EU.
>>56722978
We were never under your rule. In fact we were jointly under the rule of Austrians which are, as every educated gentleman knows, actually Slovenians that spoke German. Thus Hungary was actually under our rule.
Thank you for your time.
>>56723078
Except when you go to Ljutomer and you start seeing moonfaced people without necks who all have black hair and surnames like Tivadar. It's a different world out there.
>>56723078
This, you can't expect mongols to rule themselves. Also the fact that Hungary is refugee crisis: the country.
>>56723066
Slovenia has been ruled by left wing governments for most of its existence, except for one term and one quickly failed government. We've lately been governed with people who don't profess any political ideology at all, which is just fine with most of us. But if ever the dominant right-wing party comes to power and stays there, I believe Slovenia as we know it will cease to be. We'll become like Hungary or something, with paramilitary citizens' groups cheering on the annual military parade through the capital, and religious instruction in public schools.
why does every slav country have almost the same exact flag?
how the hell do you expect me to memorize all this shit?
>>56723624
We look to our Unaligned MENA brothers for guidance in how to confuse the kuffar, inshallah.
>>56723078
>non nation
>>56723256
>criminal gypsy in norgay
wew
>>56723417
>Slovenia has been ruled by left wing governments for most of its existence, except for one term and one quickly failed government.
Stopped reading there. 2004-2008 SDS was in power. Then again in 2012-2013 which is what you're talking about.
The current government is centrist. Now go back to school.
>>56723773
is hungary a slavic country?
>>56723786
You're not getting your vaške straže, Lojze! You may have won the Titova cesta affair, but you're getting no further with your theocratic schemes!
>>56723773
>It's a slit eyes tries to impose his superiority episode
Not this century genghis
>>56723417
Well they managed to ruin you during crisis. Just proves my post.
>>56723890
>is hungary a slavic country?
not it's a gypsy country, that speaks a turkish language?
>>56723773
Eh, the irony is probably the fact there's a fifty-fifty chance you have a slavic derived surname like the rest of Hungary
>>56724005
Actually the crisis was the time we were under the right-wing government, which got shoved in their face after they tried to blame the left for it and assume that 'conservatives can fix it' pose.
>>56724079
>>56724012
is it a balkan country?
Today 2 guys from Slovenia came to my workplace to fix something on the crane. Both were bosniaks. Coincidance? Just how many do you have them?
>>56724142
hungary is more balkan than bulgaria when I visited it.
>>56724100
But that's wrong, the crisis began in 2008 and would happen regardless of what government was in power. If anything the left is more to blame because they protested any kinds of budget cuts, which is what we were then doing under the left and current centrist government anyway.
You can't fucking """fix""" the fact demand on the markets fell and this took with it a large number of companies thus reduced tax incomes, increased unemployment and with it social expenditure while the public sector just expected to get their share of the pay anyway resulting in consistently increasing public debt.
As for the bank fiasco, the banks were drained by literally everyone, no matter their political affiliation.
>>56724142
Central European
>>56724248
>menial low tier cheap labour is done by immigrants
What a surprise.
You won't hear a Slovene word on construction sites either unless it's the architect or the supervisor.
>>56724142
finno urgic
>>56724391
but it's not in the pic in OP
why is europe so confusing?
>>56724248
Whoever you were dealing with in Slovenia obviously chose the guys who spoke your language for the job. Why send Slovenians who will hesitate, mispronounce and struggle to recall some Croatian from the last time they tried to order ice cream in Rovinj, while feeling that speaking English with fellow ex-yu's would be improper?
>>56724046
the irony is you really believe all the fairytales you invented to justify your existense
its german :^)
>>56724403
>fixing a crane is low tier unskilled labor
Wew lad
>>56722781
>>56724571
Slovenes are a sheltered people with an uneventful history. We find it hard to imagine that Hungary was nearly depopulated and then resettled by 25 different ethnic groups, all of whom are still recognized minorities in Hungary and which include Armenians. We also tend to believe that people outside of Slovenia know Slovenian personalities such as the guy who first envisioned the satellite (and didn't even consider himself Slovenian), or the polka "superstars" Avseniki, but this obviously tends not to be the case. /int/ only proves that Slovenia is its own little self-contained universe that no one has any clue about.
>>56724571
Sure thing Kovacs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo
>>56724806
Slovenia like Croatia or any other of the new ex-yu states excluding Serbia which is the founding nation and was a kingdom before that, is young with no actual relevant history other that the one it had in Yugoslavia. Middle-Ages are absolutely irrelevant for anyone outside your own country and your time spent in Austro-Hungary is absolutely irrelevant for us Austrians because we didn't have any correspondance with you as a very minor entity.
This is normal, and not something you should break your head about.
>>56724403
Sure buddy, slovenes are only managers. What a masterrace you are!
If you ask a regular frenchie about slovenian people, you will get nothing.
If the guy or the gal knows a little better, he shall give you Laibach or some random ski olympic champion.
Apart of that, it is hard for regular people to put it on a map, in spite of the small difference between the two countries.
It's surprising though, because Croatia or Serbia got much more publicity. I blame it on the wars in 1991; independence of Slovenia was hardly a blip on the radar (not intended to be rude) but war in Bosnia, Kosovo or Croatia put the limelight on your neighbours.
>>56725357
kek that's hilarious
either slovenia or slovakia needs a name change because I can't keep up with this shit
>>56725463
>Slovenia like Croatia or any other of the new ex-yu states excluding Serbia which is the founding nation
Err, but that's wrong. Serbia joined the state of the Slovenes, Croats and Serbs after Slovenia and Croatia, but provided the king and capital as the only pre-existing country and a member of the entente. They fooled themselves into believing that they had actually created a great Serbia for some years, but that backfired on them as the parliament tore itself to shreds and had to be dissolved and the king was eventually assassinated by separatists.
wow
>>56725463
>us Austrians
>>56722643
>I am actually a Slovak from Vojvodina
>smrdin
>>56725467
Did I hurt your feelings? Come and see for yourself then.
>>56725463
Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia were all founding members, pleb. State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs unified with the Kingdom of Serbia to form the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes later renamed to Yugoslavia.
Heh, I like it when you speak with such arrogance but only make a fool of yourself.
>>56725463
miloš you broke my heart
>>56712011
did you know that like Croats you are descendants of Czechs that got lost and wandered south ?
>>56725652
were you the ones who assassinated the king!!? I fucking knew it, fucking Slovenes always starting the shit!
This is why we can't have nice things
>>56725467
It's nurture, not nature. Because you are taught Mujo's language from an early age, aman, you are conditioned by your culture to endeavour to work only construction jobs for pils beer and ćevapi, ba. Embrace Kajkavian, and your children will advance to at least vine-growing, if not engineering.
>>56725646
why would you even care? these countries are the most irrelevant in europe
>>56725811
we didn't get lost
we're just czechs that knew how to swim
we left those who didn't behind
>>56725811
>who are the White Croats???
Czechs are literal old Croats. You have it confused.
>>56712011
Do you get drunken Brits vomiting and pissing everywhere?
>>56725900
>tfw czech genocided white croats
Bunlar Slovenler'den čok biktim
>>56725646
to make europe easier for americans and australians to understand, I propose the countries be changed to look like this
>>56725830
It was the Ustaše as far as I know.
(not the same guy)
>>56726005
I'm not even joking when I say that sounds like turkish
>>56726181
it was some bulgarian guy with the help of ustaše
>>56726181
that is turkish
or some mock attempt can't tell tb h
>>56725646
Slovenia will change it's name to Slovakia and Slovakia will change it's name to Slovenia.
>>56725755
>Come and see for yourself then.
on my way
>>56726181
Šu Turk dili, Balkan koylu
>>56726261
it was Turkish but it wasn't correct. Bu slovenler'den cok biktim would be correct. I don't have a Turkish keyboard so I can't write with the correct letters btw. good attempt though.
>>56726277
You know you've fallen low when you express your nationalism by posting a picture of a guy that owns a private company that bought a shitty supermarket in Slovenia.
Literally lol
>Central European
>Implying you don't jam to serbian HITs, balkanshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrT4MB-higA
>>56726881
what does it mean?
>>56727048
"I'm tired of these Slovenians." I like slovenians though I don't know why anyone would be tired of them, they're nice folk.
>>56727101
irl
but on 4chan they're pretty good trollers and their victims are usualy us and italians
>>56726881
I don't have the keys as well
>>56727203
there's a Slovenian who messes with us a lot, I don't get why but he's still entertaining and funny.
>>56727223
the keys to what?
>>56725652
>>56725755
>>56725770
I have no fucking idea what you guys are talking about, we learned that after WW1 Kingdom of Serbia got Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia from us and made it to Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Your internal politics and agreements we didn't really go through. Fact is In world war 1 you were part of austro-hungary, we fought against kingdom of serbia, and you became part of kingdom of yugoslavia, with a serbian king. sorry for the nuissance, balkanese people are very temperamentvoll as I see.
>>56726983
>a Serbian song that takes inspiration from anglo music instead of Turkish music
Did some sort of cultural revolution happen while I wasn't looking? Anyway, this is jammable desu.
>>56727290
Cevaplarım, ef*ndi:
>>56726005
>>56726794
>>56722643
>I am actually a Slovak from Vojvodina
Yo, Pancevo?
>>56727515
Oh I didn't see that :D Turkish looks interesting written the way you do. Are our shows rubbing off on you? Or are you rubbing one off to our shows?
>>56727295
>we learned that after WW1 Kingdom of Serbia got Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia from us and made it to Kingdom of Yugoslavia
So, the Austrian educational system has fallen to such a low standard? I'd understand if they wouldn't teach you about Yugoslavia at all, but the fact they teach you falsely just makes it sad desu.
Or maybe you just weren't listening but arrogantly talk about the subject anyway. You know, wikipedia exists, it's not the best but it's a start.
>>56727729
WTF, are you telling me Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia weren't part of Austro-Hungary and that you weren't part of Kingdom of Yugoslavia which was basically Kingdom of Serbia with additional regions, with a serbian king like the UK and England.
t. fucking wikipedia- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Yugoslavia
>>56727295
>I have no fucking idea what you guys are talking about, we learned that after WW1 Kingdom of Serbia got Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia from us and made it to Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
It's basically true. Over a million Serbs died in the first world war as a sacrifice to create Yugoslavia. Not some pseudo Slovenian or Croatian (and to be honest, also SERBIAN) intellectuals in far-away London.
>>56727606
He's making fun of us for making fun of them for using some everyday terms left over from Ottoman times and our exaggerating and calling them Turks because of those terms and certain Turkish dishes, music styles, etc.
>>56727606
Haydi, d*plomat...Beni tanımaz mısın?
post more Serbian qt's like her pls
>>56727881
> and that you weren't part of Kingdom of Yugoslavia which was basically Kingdom of Serbia with additional regions, with a serbian king like the UK and England.
It wasn't so. Slovenia retained complete cultural autonomy to the point where Slovenian became the first language of school instruction where it had played the second fiddle to German before, with Serbian being a compulsory subject. Newspapers also continued to be printed exclusively in Slovene as they had been in Austrian times. In fact, Slovenia (known then under the ethnic-neutral term of Dravska banovina) was ruled by a shadow government of clericalists headed by monsignor Anton Korošec, the sometime Yugoslavian minister of the interior. So we were actually a Catholic theocracy within an Orthodox monarchy. Croatia didn't have as much autonomy, though it had strong political representation, and this was the main political conflict in Yugoslavia, along with Bulgarian irredentism (in fact, it was a Macedonian-Bulgarian patriot who murdered king Alexander in coordination with the Croatian ustaši, which you probably know from WWII).
>>56727898
>they died for Yugoslavia
>>56728209
Haydaaaaa
sen beni nasil biliyorsun? :D Ben seni taniyorum! Sucuk seviyorsun :D
>>56727975
ohhh I see hahaha
>>56727881
Read it yourself then, you idiot.
There was no Kingdom of Yugoslavia in 1918. First there was a State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs without the Kingdom of Serbia. That state unified with the Kingdom of Serbia to form the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (NOT Yugoslavia you idiot) with an agreement between Slovene. Croatian and Serbian politicians. The state was a parliamentary democracy with representatives from all 3 nations. The King was a Serbian, but that's completely irrelevant just like the UK having a German king is irrelevant. So not only are you wrong but your fucking example is trash too.
>It was formed in 1918 by the merger of the provisional State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs (itself formed from territories of the former Austro-Hungarian Empire) with the formerly independent Kingdom of Serbia. The Kingdom of Montenegro had united with Serbia five days previously, while the regions of Kosovo, Vojvodina and Vardar Macedonia were parts of Serbia prior to the unification. For its first eleven years of existence, the Kingdom was officially called the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes
Literally from your wiki link. Yugoslavia only started existing from 1929 when a dictatorship was enforce. Before that it was a Kingdom of 3 nations and a parliamentary democracy.
The territories that were part of Austria didn't go to Serbia. They went to another State that unified with Serbia to form what was later named Yugoslavia.
>>56728242
man I don't fucking care what you had or not had and who played whose fiddle. You were ours, we lost the war, you became theirs, thats the shit we learned in school also the shit you read in wiki.
You say it wasn't so, but you answer with shit about newspapers and fiddles and monsignors, which I never even mentioned, nor has anything to do with it.
You are not fucking relevant, be happy you liberated yourself from the Serbs and continue with your life.
>>56728257
Let's put it this way.
Without Croats Yugoslavia would have existed
Without Slovenes Yugoslavia would have existed
Without Serbs Yugoslavia would have never existed.
And that includes this stupid "State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs" that Slovenes keep talking about.
>>56728741
>And that includes this stupid "State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs" that Slovenes keep talking about.
You're literally retarded though. Why wasn't Serbia called Yugoslavia then before the war? Why did it have to unify with Slovenia and Croatia to form Yugoslavia? Yugoslavia literally means South Slavland including all South Slavs except Bulgarians which are special snowflakes anyway. That's why it's called Yugoslavia, idiot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Slovenes,_Croats_and_Serbs
Literally a Yugoslavia without Serbia.
>>56728741
Slovenes and Serbs formed "Yugoslavia" in Zagreb a month or two before the deal with Serbia was NEGOTIATED so that the western and northern border could be more favourably settled with Serbian military help.
Serbia then, as if joking, sent about 80 soldiers to Slovenia, who actually showed great valour, managing to stop the Italian advance on Ljubljana and greatly contributing to the fighting between Slovenes and Austrians in Carinthia.
>>56728951
I'm not retarded. You haven't convinced me of anything. Yes, before the name "Yugoslavia" the entity was called "Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes" but the entity itself is the same. The terminology doesn't matter, how the entity came to existence does.
>>56728364
Sucuk sevmem. Sucukum! THE Sucuk
Pardon boktanim(?) Turk
>sen beni nasil biliyorsun?
Lala Murad cok güçler var
>>56729207
>I'm not retarded. You haven't convinced me of anything.
Then you are retarded. You say a Yugoslavia without Slovenia and Croatia could exist but not without Serbia, yet the first Yugoslavia was formed without Serbia. So, yes, you are retarded or wilfully ignorant.
Without Slovenia or Croatia there is no Yugoslavia, just a Serbia. It's also why Yugoslavia renamed to Serbia and Montenegro after Slovenia, Croatia and eventually Bosnia broke away.
>but the entity itself is the same.
That's not the point.
>the terminology doesn't matter
Of course it matters when you make claims based on it, idiot.
>>56728741
Just because my country is called "land of the Serbs" it doesn't mean that we live there exclusively or originate from there. It's a political entity and it doesn't mean other people don't live within it's borders, the same goes for the rest of the ex-yu cunts. People who identify as Serbian could be found well outside the borders of the borders of ww1 Serbia.
>>56729407
You forgot to mention that before this abomination came to fruition, it was an "empire of mind". Since 1840es, Croats have been eating all sorts of mushrooms, envisioning Illyrias and Yugoslavias, adjusting our academia towards these narratives
So yes, we had a thing for this abomination before Serbs. We (our academia) CREATED it and flirted with it
>>56729582
>So yes, we had a thing for this abomination before Serbs. We (our academia) CREATED it and flirted with it
It was the same here minus the Illyria part. Anton Korošec literally read the may declaration in Vienna demanding a trialist Austro-Hungary-Yugoslavia.
He was also a prime minister in Yugoslavia eventually.
>>56729056
>>56729407
I'm obviously arguing with autists so this will be my last message.
>Slovenes and Serbs formed "Yugoslavia" in Zagreb a month or two before the deal with Serbia was NEGOTIATED
Doesn't matter. The "Yugoslavia" formed in Zagreb would never have been formed if the Serbs didn't in the first world war.
>Then you are retarded. You say a Yugoslavia without Slovenia and Croatia could exist but not without Serbia, yet the first Yugoslavia was formed without Serbia. So, yes, you are retarded or wilfully ignorant.
Same answer as above.
>Without Slovenia or Croatia there is no Yugoslavia, just a Serbia. It's also why Yugoslavia renamed to Serbia and Montenegro after Slovenia, Croatia and eventually Bosnia broke away.
Let me repeat what I said.
Without Croats Yugoslavia would have existed
Without Slovenes Yugoslavia would have existed
Without Serbs Yugoslavia would have never existed.
I did not say that without ALL southern Slavs Yugoslavia would not have existed. What I meant was that if Croats magically did not exist Yugoslavia would still exist, if Slovenes magically did not exist Yugoslavia would still exist, but if Serbs magically did not exist before/during WWI then Yugoslavia would have never existed.
>Of course it matters when you make claims based on it, idiot.
Not really. If we were talking about a Pacific Parrotlet but the name changed to "Celestial Parrotlet" (which actually it did lol) then the name does not matter at all. The entity is still the same.
And as much as you guys like calling other people stupid, retarded and idiots, I recommend not doing it. You guys just look ignorant yourselves instead.
>>56729370
ahaha seni seviyorum. /tr/'ye gel sonra. Ben simdi uyuyorum. Iyi geceler!
>>56729755
>I did not say that without ALL southern Slavs Yugoslavia would not have existed. What I meant was that if Croats magically did not exist Yugoslavia would still exist, if Slovenes magically did not exist Yugoslavia would still exist, but if Serbs magically did not exist before/during WWI then Yugoslavia would have never existed.
If Serbs magically did not exist, we wouldn't have a war on our hands and subsequently, a "Yugoslavia" would have been formed, as a union between South Slavs - common interest in a reformed monarchy, amid nationalism
>>56729785
>Ben simdi uyuyorum
Kolay gelsin, d*plomat
>>56729755
>Doesn't matter. The "Yugoslavia" formed in Zagreb would never have been formed if the Serbs didn't in the first world war.
False. The demands for Yugoslavia pre-date the end of the war, in fact they pre-date world war 1 all together. A unified South Slav state is an idea 100 years older than the fucking war. Holy fuck you idiot.
>but if Serbs magically did not exist before/during WWI then Yugoslavia would have never existed.
But you are wrong
>Not really. If we were talking about a Pacific Parrotlet but the name changed to "Celestial Parrotlet" (which actually it did lol) then the name does not matter at all. The entity is still the same.
>IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER
Read the posts again as to why it DOES matter when making claims regarding it. The entity was as much the same as Weimar Germany and Nazi Germany. On paper.
>>56729755
>And as much as you guys like calling other people stupid, retarded and idiots, I recommend not doing it. You guys just look ignorant yourselves instead.
>nice
>a yugo that is self-contained, controlled and stoic in his response
Serbs really are a notch better than common balkanese yugos like slovenes and croats. *kudos
>>56729755
>I did not say that without ALL southern Slavs Yugoslavia would not have existed. What I meant was that if Croats magically did not exist Yugoslavia would still exist, if Slovenes magically did not exist Yugoslavia would still exist, but if Serbs magically did not exist before/during WWI then Yugoslavia would have never existed.
When you start arguing about magically disappearing nations you have crossed into autism
>>56730010
He has to be stoic because he's crossing into uncharted territory. This is an opportunity for him to not see everything through a pro/anti Serb lens and focus on different opinions, weigh options. An opposing viewpoint is crucial in forming as much of an objective opinion as possible
I disagree with him primarily because of this "lens". He refuses to see it from our side and trust me, I am confident that I know the Serbian side better than him. Without a shred of discrimination involved
>>56725357
>memoj żiżek
>>56730304
>explaining yourself to an austrian
same ol same ol huh?
