I am obsessed with Greece. I am fascinated by the culture, the language, the history, the people, the list goes on. Unfortunately, as you all probably know, Greece is economically doing poorly right now. My question is mainly directed towards Greeks, but also towards anyone else who is knowledgeable: Is it worth following my dream and moving to Greece, or should I just give up because it will be a struggle to find a job? Secondly, how do Greeks feel about Americans? Would it be difficult to make friends? Thank you for reading my post.
Just bring plenty of sandwiches to buy prostitutes.
>>56706332
Unless you have a STEM degree you don't have a chance of getting a good job. And even then it's a gamble right now.
>>56706332
If you really want to do it, find out what good paying jobs are available. If the answer is none, then you shouldn't try to force it to happen
>>56706391
Without a STEM degree would I be able to get an okay job that would be enough to live with? Also, do you think Greece will be doing better economically within the next decade, or do you think it is just going to keep going downhill?
>>56706473
Sorry, I meant to say "available IN YOUR FIELD".
It's not worth career switching just to maybe make it happen.
>>56706491
My wife is American. She hates Greece. She thinks that modern Greek culture is very different from American culture. It's gonna be something you're not used to.
>>56706570
If you don't mind my asking, what about Greece does she dislike? I do not know much first-hand about modern Greek culture, but from all of the differences I have seen between American culture, Greece seems great.
>>56706332
>he wants to move TO a country in the middle of a great depression
wtf no
>>56706626
Well, half of her hair is blue and she gets stared at a lot. Tbh if you're a normal looking dude you'll be fine. Also forget about smoking weed and staying in-doors as it is in the US. If you want to have fun you have to go outside.
>>56706672
Your wife has blue hair? The fuck
>>56706570
So we told Kostas to marry an American woman and he did it, the absolute madman!
How does it feel like to get cucked 24/7?
>>56706672
I do not smoke weed, and I enjoy being outside. I think based on my appearance, I could probably pass as a local (until they hear my accent of course). Also, I know this is going to vary for everyone, but do you think in general a Greek woman would marry an American man?
>>56706710
It's dyed man.
>>56706762
No shit it's dyed, why would you marry someone with florescent hair?
>>56706664
It sounds insane, I know. I admit that my view of Greece is also partly romanticised, but I see no major reason not to move to Greece if I can secure a job that would allow me to live somewhat comfortably.
>>56706805
Forget about getting a job. The average Greek adult still lives with their family even when they're married. Guess the reason.
>>56706774
It doesn't look bad. You're probably imagining some kind of SG slut. Chill we're young.
>>56706805
unless it's summer, there's a 1/4 chance you won't find a job.
I imagine not speaking the language will only make it harder
>>56706882
I am already studying the language, and I would not move until I am at a conversational level. Do you think in general Greeks would be friendly towards an American?
>>56706924
yes ofc
>>56706924
Yeah. There will be banter but if you're cool everyone's cool.
>>56706944
>>56706940
Thank you for all of the information.
No offense, OP, but for some reason I can't believe you're really being serious. Perhaps wait a good 10 years (or even for retirement, Southern Europe and Cyprus are decent places to spend those years).
As for cultural differences, if you're young, they won't seem that big in your peer group.
>>56706828
To be fair, the change doesn't seem to be that pronounced compared to other EU countries:
http://i.imgur.com/kNpOU86.jpg
>>56707145
I am serious. Assuming I am able to find a job, is there really any reason why moving to Greece is a bad idea?
>>56707222
Do you like the summer lifestyle? Swimming and late night bars/clubs? If yes you'll be just fine.
Is this guy the most based Greek?
>>56707222
Assuming find a *well-paying* job and so have no problem with bills, food, rent, enough leftover money for entertainment and some luxuries. I'll try to think of some reasons...
1) Crazy bureaucracy for anything you wish to do. Especially with the falling standards of our health system, good luck with that.
2) The USA isn't exactly Germany but Greece is much less efficient in every single area.
3) The women on average aren't into casual sex as much as women in the USA, if that matters to you. They have slightly more traditional ideas about dating, marriage etc. but this is changing.
4) You seem to have a romanticized idea of it. Not a single country in the world can live up to those standards, not even any Scandinavian one, let alone Greece. It depends if you're ok with disappointment.
5) We're on average a less tolerant society than the USA in some aspects. This isn't too much the case among younger people but there probably still exists a difference.
I'm sure I can think of more.
>>56706332
Making friends wouldn't be difficult, Greeks are probably one of the friendliest people to strangers. But finding a well paying job is going to be a real challenge if you aren't well educated and/or don't speak Greek (it's hard as it is for those that do).
>>56706672
is she a fucking sjw or something?
the hell
>>56707145
>replying to turks
ew
>>56707276
kek @ cup quote
>>56707394
Thank you for listing those. Most of those things do not affect me specifically, aside from bureaucracy. Do you personally think that Greece is going to start recovering within a decade or so? I feel like a lot of people on this post are assuming that Greece is always going to be like it is right now.
>>56707565
It will probably get better at some point, but I don't see a lot changing in the next 10-15 years. Too many old people with a completely different mindset are dragging us down.
>>56707565
I don't know. I did say wait 10 years for that very reason (even the most *optimistic* estimates I've seen don't put some sort of "recovery" before 2019-2020). Blame us and the incompetent people we keep producing and voting in, I guess.
>>56707406
Is it difficult to find jobs in Academia, such as working at a university?
Anyway, just to give you a picture of post-Junta Greece, imagine a Sanders government ruling a country not of very competent people like white Americans are, on average, but rather of averagely competent ones and you have Greece during most of the post-Junta years.
>liking greece
>>56707666
it's definitely possible, i've actually met a couple of foreigners that teach in universities
but like other anons have stated above, the market is very competitive atm in all fields
>>56707811
>tfw good stuff only lasted for less than 10 years after the junta, before starting to go downhill ;_;
>>56707661
we actually HAD a recovery in 2015 and you cunts had to go vote for tsipras the pseudo-communist clown
>>56707997
Yeah, I'm not doubting we'd be doing better in the long run with ND. That's what has been clearly shown now. The Greek left keeps failing and basically forcing us leftists to vote for center-right parties.
>>56707879
Thanks. As someone who is appalled by the degeneracy and lack of virtuous people in the United States, do you think I would find Greeks to be more agreeable?
>>56708082
What a loaded question.
>>56708134
And disingenuous
>>56708082
Depends on what you mean by "degenerate".
Do you consider increasing acceptance of LGBT rights to be "degenerate"? Then no.
Do you think casual sex and high partner counts to be "degenerate"? Then yes, we aren't at US levels yet.
As for "virtuousness"...is a Greek woman or man less likely to cheat on their partner than an American one? Yes. Are they more likely to give in to political and financial corruption? Yes, too.
And so on it goes.
>>56708082
Go to Thessaloniki and be American around them.
>>56708134
>>56708158
Yeah, that was a poorly worded question. My apologies.
Visit every summer to practice speaking the language if you're so inclined, but don't actually stay here. It's not worth it. Unless you were born into it, there's very little merit in studying Greek seriously while young I think. I'm not sure I even know any adult learners that made any actual leeway into the language in their first decade. I knew an old foreign housewife that lived in Greece since before I was born, she had half-Greek children older than me, and her Greek was still very poor. That's probably a bit of an outlier, but you get the idea. I'm working on breaking through a semi-insurmountable language barrier myself, but at least there's the promise of actual moolah at some point.
>>56708177
All right. Sorry, I see that my question was very ambiguous. What I meant was that in general, Americans (here at least) are immensely dishonest and materialistic. Focusing on those two particular adjectives, do you think Greece is more virtuous?
>>56706332
I'm first generation greek american so I've gone to greece practically every summer and lived there for 3 years. I've enjoyed myself immensely the thing is that I am Greek so for me it's like a second home. For you it won't be the same. You aren't part of the culture so you'll have to slowly and painfully attempt to mix your way in and the two are just so distinctive that you're going to have a bad time
>>56708269
You'll find a very insular culture. which is beautiful. something we've lost.
>>56708269
No, we're immensely dishonest and materialistic too.
Is there a single (general, not self-selected like monks, hippies and whatnot) population in the world that's not particularly materialistic in the present day, anyway?
>>56708284
I am glad I encountered someone like you, you are the perfect person to compare these two countries. Could you please explain what makes Greece distinctive? What would I struggle to adjust with as an American? Many thanks.
>>56708324
pasok?
>>56708308
Honestly, I wouldn't say that's generally true anymore, in the under-30 age group, which I imagine is the Americanon's peer group.
It isn't like he's going to be living in some random village and even those are unfortunately being abandoned and decaying...
>>56707927
actually the junta was very corrupt and largely put the gravestone on the miracle years of economic growth that preceded it (since the 50s, and only for the upper middle class).
this meme that the junta helped the economy needs to be put to rest.
>>56708405
Not too much of a miracle t b h. Just natural growth for a society at that level of development.
>>56708445
it was called such
>>56708269
>dishonest
>materialistic
plenty of that to go 'round desu
>>56708505
I know, there was really strong growth but an easily explainable one, not something extraordinary.
>>56708352
Greece has such a laid back lifestyle, it seems to be one of the best countries to go to where the people love life. They don't try to survive they try to live. Unlike America. Now it has all the seasons, getting very cold and very hot so you might not enjoy that but I do. As an American you might not be able to deal with nothing being open on certain days and having smaller hours. The food is very tasty yet it isn't as diverse, in america you can go out and try any type of food, not so in greece. You just have greek food and very rarely other cultures.not much in the way of junk food and you will miss American burgers and fast food. As an American from a big city any city in greece will seem very small yet packed with culture. You would be used to diversity in American but in greece it's all greek looking people unless you are in the big cities but still not as much as America. First what city and state are you from?
>>56708512
eh ok
>>56708362
I'll respectfully suggest you don't know how your country is feeling right now.
Not for me to say with any strength. My missus is asleep.
>>56706332
frankly, greece is just a very long social experiment conducted by the austrians to see if they inject enough memes into a countries education system they would be able to make the local population believe that they are hellenic. you can check the history of this going way back to early 1800s if you don't believe me, the practical joke was started by an austrian prince who was a hellenaboo
so far it has been an unprecedented success, we will say what the future brings though
>>56708544
Be Christian then.
>>56708565
>responding to a turk
ew
>>56708522
I am from Pennsylvania, I live in the suburbs near Philadelphia. Personally, everything you have listed so far seems absolutely perfect.
>>56708539
I'm not just going by personal experience but by data as well. Perhaps you should elaborate on what you mean.
>>56708587
Well I'm from LA so greece is like going to the village. Honestly I think the hardest part would be finding a job and learning the language. Also not as many amenities as the states. I would recommend going to greece for a summer and trying it out. There arent a lot cons besides it being a culture that isnt your native one and might seem alien. It's pretty easy to acclimate to life there but that's from a person who has gone back and forth often. Like this summer I'm going for 6 months.
>>56708657
how is the climate in cali
>>56708718
Almost all year round its like Athena in early/mid June. However during the "winter" here it's like how early May was last year in Athena with the rain. Basically fucking hot and perfect beach weather
>>56708804
REEEEE how do I go there
>>56708657
Thank you for this information. I am already studying the language, and I plan to visit a few times before making any big decisions. Do you think I could ever fully integrate into Greece? Would marrying a Greek make this more possible?
>>56708242
my mom's georgian cleaning lady learned the language fluently in under a year
it always boggled me and i'm pretty sure she's a covert genius or something
>>56708824
Re stay in greece, you'll miss being able to go anywhere with your feet or the metro. The food is amazing in America except no souvlaki that compares. you will gain 10 kilos, my cousin got so damn fat when he came to live with us. Although your accent will get all the ladies here. My cousin was supposed to stay for 3 years and finish highschool and he stayed for 1.5 before he wanted to go back. Also you can't drink unless youre 21 so for my 16 year old cousin it sucked. Try it Come for a summer and see.
>>56708828
Hmmm dating a Greek girl would help but you have to make sure you like how greek girls look, honestly I could never marry a Greek girl I don't like the looks
>actually wanting to move to Greece
>>56708927
What a cuck.
>>56708927
k maybe I'll visit
>>56709111
Yeah okay Manos go herd your goats.
>>56709141
Just try it but be prepared to be a bit overwhelmed at the crazy amount of junk food
>>56709395
>imlying I don't eat frozen shit all the time
uni layfe ay
>>56709420
Den xereis tipota Yanni Hioni
Seriously America has too many different ways to get diabetes
>>56709550
>γιαννη χιονη
αχαχα τι μου θυμησες ρε διασπορα
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ7M19HRYv0
>>56706332
Nah, greek people suck.
>>56710597
stop shitting up comfy threads, sub-saharan faggot
>>56707927
ψόφα.
don't do it unless you got at least 500,000 euros
>>56710796
support golden dawn
>>56706664
>implying he won't be the man to create the new economic foundation and make Greece prosperous again
Or he could just be the new Hellenic Hitler and exterminate turks
Good thread. Makes me want to visit Greece for an extended period of time (but I would never want to live there)
>>56706332
Nope, you don't have to move to a country that's likely to default
But Turkey is better. I'd like to recommend it.
>>56713246
then why did you move out :D
>>56713246
Ewww turkey was just gross and the people were really stereotypical
>>56713374
>I can't speak any Turkish (It seeme to be easy for Japanese though)
>I put English before it
>>56713419
>the people were really stereotypical
Like what?
>inb roach/shitskin/brown
>>56713504
are you the guy that is obsessed against russia and pro turkey btw?
I see you in like half the threads that vaguely concern either of those (the current example is quite cringey but w/e).
are you that half turk?
>>56706332
Wanna swap places?
>>56713629
>are you that half turk?
I'm a native Japanese who was born and raised in Japan.
>>56713711
there was self admitted half turk there, he was born in japan.
Are you sure
>>56713773
...It makes no sense at all. Nowadays, there are both Japanese who was born and raised in a foreign country and Gaijins/Turks who was born and raised in Japan.
But I'm neither and I've never said the half Turks is here.
That's all.
>>56714011
hm, kinda weird, he posted just like you
just plugging turkey in random threads
eh
Professional Greek here ready to answer all your questions
pic related
I've heard Greeks don't like America/Americans. And it's no worth going there if OP can't get any profit in economy/business.
Even Japan might be able to bring him some profit!
>>56714313
what kind of racists are you talking with? we love people from other countries. we are a tourist-based economy for crying out loud! without them we would be so lonely..
>>56714424
>we love people from other countries.
Provided they're liberal with their money.
>>56714584
provided they are not dicks
we are one of the few countries that actually help the refugees in case you haven't noticed and through the course of history we always had good relations with all 3 continents that surround us
>>56714584
and you have no idea how much i love japan :D
Lone wolf and cub is TEH SHIT
>>56713711
i call bullshit
your engrish is too good for a jap
>>56714882
Not really.
>I tested my English level
>B1
http://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/en/content
>>56708269
>Americans (here at least) are immensely dishonest and materialistic
You should consider moving to a non-first world country if you want to distance yourself from the ethically corrupt capitalist morals. If you insist though, a nice option would be life in a small city / village. Some places are really laid back and super-comfy, BUT finding a job there is so difficult. Your best bet would be to become self-employed
>>56715443
>BUT finding a job there is so difficult.
Yeah, Murrica.
Come to Crete. Kebab is here extremely limited. Also refugees and "refugees" never pass through here.
You are much welcome,the hardest part is finding a job.
>>56715586
Nobody just cares about a poor country.
>>56715644
So he can't get any advantages in business/economy.
Finding a job in Greece is not difficult
Finding a job that can support a family is
dont get those two mixed up please and stop being a couch potato
>>56715775
Implying OP should give up moving to Greece
I think he should
>>56706749
>>I think based on my appearance, I could probably pass as a local
Are there any non-spic Americans left?
>>56716092
ちょと意味が伝わってこないんすけど
>>56716798
>彼(OP)はギリシャへ引っ越すことを諦めるべき
>>56716873
つまりOPがギリシャへ引っ越すことを諦めないべきだと?
another day
another allah boom boom in kebab cities
>>56718048
>>56718126
>>56718699
懐かしいリアクション画像を貼られても意味がわからないんだけど
>>56718699
ching chong i suck rice ding dong
FUCK YOU NATO SCUM
What are grils like in Grease?
>>56722853
Some good, some bad, the new-wave sluttiness that has surged from the '00s made some 6/10 grils looking like 8/10, or 3/10 looking like 5/10
>>56722927
How do i go about finding a girl to get laid?
>>56722853
They all looked like monobrowed Gypos when I was there mate.
