Why do the British pay so much money for such small, cramped homes?
Because after boomers gutted the economy and exported all the jobs to China, they had nothing for the young people to do to pay for their pensions, so they created a housing bubble. This of course means that young people have to pay £120k for a basic starter home, but who cares, the boomers got their money
>>56666002
At least it's not Japanese house
>>56666002
Adjusted to sea-level.
>>56666002
London. Also our cultural obsession with home ownership makes it a seller's market.
There's also the problem that a lot of our housing stock is unused because nobody wants to live there. I live in Glasgow atm, and you can get huge piles for ridiculously low prices in the satellite towns like Greenock and Port Glasgow..the trouble is, then you have to actually live in shiteholes like Greenock or Port Glasgow.
Not enough space,
too many people,
supply and demand,
lazy builders
>>56666226
Lel
>>56666265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
What obsession?
lel
>>56666226
bants
>>56666002
Because you're crazy about preserving your countryside and you have stringent architectural preservation laws
Which is totally understandable, it's where a lot of the aesthetic value in the UK comes from, but that is the price you pay. If you want to change this, make it easier to demolish old houses, and make it easier to build on greenfield land.
>t. studied town planning in england
>137m squared is considered a big guy in Europa
>>56666226
lul
>>56666462
People want to own homes, doesn't mean they do. That's the problem. Because homeownership is relatively scarce, people are desperate to have it.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/00bf5968-f518-11e2-b4f8-00144feabdc0.html
>>56666265
>shiteholes like Greenock or Port Glasgow.
Are they really that bad, or is it just a case of "it's not London, so fuck it." What's so bad about them?
>>56666298
>lazy builders
I love how indignant people get over how much we charge. Supply and demand...
t. a tradesman
>>56666298
There is enough space on your island. The problem is that 90% of people want to live in London.
>>56666609
>Because you're crazy about preserving your countryside and you have stringent architectural preservation laws
This. For the world's first industrialised country, I'm surprised Britain has as much countryside as it does left. It's a relatively small island with many millions of people on it.
>>56666002
BIG
>>56666226
lmao
>>56666631
Son, some farms here are bigger than European countries lol
>Have the whole open world to live in
>Confine yourself to a place with 4 walls that you have to pay for
I hope none of you unironically do this.
>>56666135
At least it's not an Indonesian "house"
Mfw banjir lagi
>>56666226
>>56666884
Actually Europe has been reforesting since the 1900s now they no longer blow up forests in wars or to access raw materials. Also NIMBYs love their green belts.
>>56667045
We definitely need to keep planting those trees.
>>56666993
>a place with 4 walls that you have to pay for
No, Bruce. The rest of the civilized world's houses aren't just just one-room shacks. No wonder it's so easy for dingos to just sneak in and eat your babies.
>>56667205
Yes americans need more walls to hide behind when a crazed gunman comes after them
>>56667229
I am not him but are you suggesting living in the wild like a hermit
>>56666002
They have the best homebuilding series though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEUs5FYuJkg
>>56667277
Hermit has nothing to do with living in the wild. Hermit means being on your own.
But yes, living in the wild. Why not? Give me one good reason why not, and I'll tell you why your reason isn't good.
>>56666226
>>56667229
>implying cardboard walls will protect anyone from my sweetass customized combination AK-47 uzi radar lasar triple barrel double scoped heat-seaking shotgun
>>56666002
because of peoples mentality that consist of island ambiences.
>>56666135
japan might be one of the worst but we dont have and accept flatshares brits manage to like.
>>56667366
If the wild is the Australian outback, then that's all the reason one needs. If we're talking rural Vermont, then I've got no argument against that. Still, living outdoors isn't practical.
>>56667434
Why not the Australian outback? If it's the same old spider and snake meme - you just need to avoid them. If you get bit, just go to the hospital like a normal person.
>>56667366
Plumbing (so you can wash yourself and your things and dispose of your shit), electricity, storing food, cooking food, staying warm, having a safe place to sleep, providing a safe environment for your offspring.
>>56666226
>>56667507
>Plumbing
Just piss and shit on the ground
>Electricity
Why?
>Storing food
Just eat as you go
>Cooking food
What is public BBQ's?
>Staying warm
Buy a jacket
>Having a safe place to sleep
Why wouldn't it be safe?
>Offspring
No
>>56667585
>Buy a jacket
Make your own jacket from an animal you killed. Bloody casual.
This is historical as much as it as dependant on the property value boom and landlordism.
England never had a real revolution. No matter how convuluted or complex land law has become, it all boils down to one simple fact:
every single part of the United Kingdom belongs to the crown.
Any 'Ownership' beyond that is more realistically, 'rights to' or 'patronage'. Huge swathes of the country belong to the aristocracy who's 'ownership' of this land is actually taxpayer funded in the forms of 'subsidies'. Buildable land is so scarce because its value to developers as a one off sale, is less than its value long term to an aristocrat who can rent it to a farmer, or simply allow a few grouse to roam on it and have it subsidised by the EU as 'farmland'.
The remaining population who don't own land are crammed into increasingly crowded cities. Land becomes more expensive because its being hoarded, and its being hoarded because it makes it more expensive. Its a larger scale replica of exactly what is happening on a more comprehensible scale with houses themselves.
Land is not taxed, property is. England, has, and continues to be in practice, a society built to extract money from the working landless, and give it to the landed gentry. The majority are crammed into tiny, heavily taxed areas, and those taxes are used to subsidise a minority who own the vast majority of unbuilt land.
>>56667585
He said from his computer.
>>56667776
Do you know what a phone is?
>>56666780
M8, I wouldn't live in London if you paid me. Greenock and the Port are bad compared to Glasgow or even Dundee.
You're an American, so ...You know how Cleveland is shit, right? Well, you'd still rather live there than Flint or Gary, or Youngstown, wouldn't you?
It's the same when you compare Glasgow to Greenock and the Port.
>>56667816
How are you going to charge it without that electricity you just insulted?
>>56667859
Solar Panel USB
>>56667585
>Just piss and shit on the ground
I'm sure you'll think this is a good idea until you step in somebody's shit. Which is bound to happen because even without houses, people will have to cluster together because jobs are where other people are. Imagine all the piss and shit that accumulates over time.
Also:
How do you shower?
How do you brush your teeth?
How do you wash your clothes?
>Why [electricity]?
Electricity is necessary to power all your electronics. The bare minimum for living in the wild is a wireless router, a laptop and a mobile phone.
>Just eat as you go
Buying food as you go is expensive and wasteful.
>What is public BBQ's?
A public barbecue is not a replacement for even a poorly equipped kitchen.
>Buy a jacket [to stay warm.]
"It's 3 degrees outside, and it's raining a lot. But my jacket will keep me warm. "
"It's -20 degrees now, and the laptop just died of hypothermia... but fortunately I have this jacket."
>Why wouldn't it be safe?
Wild animals, climate, disease, etc. etc.
> No (in reference to offspring)
Reproduction is literally your only purpose on this earth.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/dec/03/landowners-scotland-britain-feudal-highland-spring
>>56667897
>Reproduction is literally your only purpose on this earth.
Have you heard of the appeal to nature fallacy.
>>56667979
Sorry about the missing question mark.
>>56667897
Oh ok, I see. You think you're better than me being you live in your cozy little prison you call a house hold. You feel good having steps, so you can feel like you lord it over the neighborhood while you look at your second story window? You feel good having a living room (if you can call it living...)? Because while you're all cramped up and breathing in dead skin, dust and mite shit, I am enjoying the great outdoors like our ancestors did. I am healthy, fit and get plenty of fresh air and sun - and will live a longer, healthier life than you. What's that? You think just because you shower more frequently that some how makes you more superior? The body is naturally adapted to only showering once every so often. Showering every day (like you probably do) takes the natural oils off your skin and you will look like football leather by the time you're in your 40's. Maybe next time you should use your brain before you post.
>>56667366
t. Christopher McCandless
Shouldn't you be dead?
>>56668058
Bro, are you a bum?
Or is this some sort of pasta I'm unfamiliar with?
>>56668142
I AM NOT A BUM
I can get a house anytime I like. I just choose not to PAY to restrict myself to a prison cell. Why do you buy a house, just to open the windows to let in "fresh air"? How about just go BE in the fresh air? I bet you all fart and then it stinks up the house and you have a literal gas chamber. I don't know how you house dwellers can buy into the house meme.
>>56666226
>he doesn't have his own swimming pool
You have no idea what you're missing
>>56666226
DELETE!!!!!111eleven11
>>56668202
"I'm not a bum. I'm choosing the bum-lifestyle!"
>>56668331
That is correct.
The same as someone who practices meditation and discipline follows a monk life style, but is not a monk.
>>56668356
No, it's not the same, because he still lives in a house and not in a monastery. If he lived in a monastery, he'd be a monk.
>>56668524
The opposite of a house is not a monastery
Why is there such a housing bubble lads?
House prices rise and rise, yet wages stay the same. How is a young person supposed to buy a house? Why would you want to be tied to a £120k mortgage to own a tiny starter home? (Pic related)
And it's just getting worse and worse. The average persons career is some basic entry level job, the middle class are disappearing, the average person will start their housing ladder paying the same amount their parents paid for a middle class detached house.
Soon, a starter home will cost £150k, then £200k and it will never stop
>>56667767
alri jezza
>>56668615
Bubbles make the world go round.
>>56666135
Actually, the average house of Japan is bigger than that of UK.
>>56666226
>>56668557
I'm not saying it is. It's is the monk's equivalent to the bum's homelessness.
Dumpster diving and scavenging for bottles to recycle is living the bum lifestyle.
Meditating and being interested in spirituality is living the monk lifestyle.
But once you live in a monastery, you're a monk. And once you're homeless, you're a bum.
>>56668615
Because the middle class was an accident. The people in charge never wanted it to happen. They are trying to destroy the middle class and turn society back into a rich v poor situation. The middle class means mobility and they don't want that
>>56668673
>greece
Feels good man
>>56668713
i said ALRI JEZZA?
>>56668701
>Dumpster diving and scavenging for bottles to recycle is living the bum lifestyle.
But I don't do this.
>>56666226
Buen post Jorge
>>56668615
Rich Emiratis, Russians, and various other international investors are propping up the housing bubble by snapping up all the nice apartments. Real estate doesn't have the same level of scrutiny as other types of assets, so it's ideal for money laundering.
>>56668744
PAY DENBTS
>>56668615
I looked at buying a 1 bedroom flat here and the cheapest I could find within 30 miles was £225k for a studio flat (which obviously used to be someones bedroom 30 years ago but is now a kitchen, toilet, bedroom and living room in 1).
I've always wanted to live in Canada but from what I understand the chinks are buying up all the property there but would rather keep it empty than let anyone live there?
>>56668760
The homelessness is really the defining factor, here.
A lot of monks used to join the monastery because it was guaranteed food and shelter, not because of some spiritual desire. The living in the monastery is what makes you a monk.
>>56667454
Because
>lack of prey
>lack of water
>lack of arable land
all-in-all, it just seems impractical
>>56668832
Unless you want to live in downtown Toronto or Vancouver, it would probably be far far cheaper in Canada
>>56668840
I am houseless, not homeless.
>>56668685
Even Cuxhaven will get flooded, and not by immigrants this time
>>56668822
>>56668884
Oh, so you have an apartment?
Because all my points were just about not living in the wild. Apartments and houses are pretty much the same to me. You get your necessities from either of them.
>>56666002
The Anglo does not need much space to build their nests
don't like this thread
>>56668615
Thing is, yes that's a tiny house, but as someone that's recently engaged and would be a first time buyer, that would be an ideal first home to buy. I'd be happy with it as a starter home.
The problem is things like that cost £120k at least now, and I just don't see what I'm getting for my money.
I would honestly move to America tomorrow (have an American fiancee) if only I weren't a low skilled pleb because despite how cheap the houses are, I couldn't afford to live out there on entry level pleb wages,
I've been looking at houses near Austin, Texas, for example. For £120k here you get a tiny cramped ugly home. For £120k in America I could get a really nice, big, spacious home with a nice garden etc. Would legit move to America tomorrow if I weren't a pleb
>>56669126
Stop whining and just move there
>kids blaming boomers for their laziness
t. Boomer that actually worked hard for what I got
>>56669639
>boomer
>worked hard
You mean got a good job at 16 after failing your o levels then hot promoted to a top manager on 60k?
Gay thread
>being poor
>>56666226
delet
>>56670231
This
Just accidentally trip through the door of a house and now you own it
>>56670231
Keep telling yourself that, lad. Life doesn't work that way
>>56666002
WTF I hate the UK now.
>>56671755
Literally every boomer I've talked to about jobs says it was a lot easier to get a job when they were young than it is now.
>>56666226
I don't get it.
