As an outsider, I feel like voting for Donald Trump and being a decent human being are mutually exclusive. Am I wrong?
>>56584807
>decent human being
Well spooked my property
you are not wrong op.
#hillary2016
>>56584889
Based /lit/
>>56584807
You are indeed wrong.
>>56584920
is there any reason to vote for here beyond her having a vagina, though?
>>56584920
You can't seriously be a decent human being and vote for hilary.
>>56584807
>this isn't bait
>>56585019
she is the candidate least likely to change things. I see her as 4 more years of obama.
You're wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvyRIgPImOY
>>56585019
She also panders to minorities and gays (even though she has previously said time and time again, she doesn't like homosexuals).
>>56585027
>>56585019
>>56584920
I don't think the is serious, who the hell uses hastags on 4chan.
And besides, being on 4chan means that you know how the internet works, and if you know how the internet works you probably already have discovered that Hillary is retarded and should be on trial instead of running for office.
>americans will unironically vote a candidate that's a woman
wew
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People vote for Trump because they're confused and frustrated. Being confused and frustrated doesn't make you not-a-decent-human being.
Man I hate these Trump threads because they always hit 200+ replies just by mentioning his name. It takes a lot of effort just to get 50 replies without it.
>>56585153
This is wrong thinking. People vote for Trump because they are sick of the current political establishment, they are sick of lobbyists ruining the country, they are sick of international nation building (like in yours) and they are sick of the country being run by corporations.
Trump is the only candidate that will actually change anything.
>>56585153
hitler supporters represent
>>56584807
Anything but Trump 2bh
Voting for Trump and being a decent human being isn't necessarily exclusive since you can still be an absolute fucking moron and still be a decent person.
>>56585152
Kirchner :^)
>>56584920
This to be honest.
>Not voting for a female president
Just look at Germany and all the great things Merkel did for it, and how good germans are doing. A female president is the first step to progression.
:^)
>>56585253
>le trump will ruin amercia maymay
>>56584807
People vote for Trump because he's a populist. He has the same consistency as Clinton, save for the fact that Clinton doesn't say the politically incorrect stuff people keep to themselves
>>56584807
Voting doesn't actually do anything. The results are pre-determined. Voting for Trump is just a chance to say "fuck you" to the government. It doesn't really make a difference, but it feels good.
>>56585360
Bernie also is a populist, even morse than Trump to be honest.
>>56584807
Mostly want to vote for him because it'd be hilarious to have him as President. 4 years of memes.
It's not like it affects me all that much anyways. Only your local government has a real, tangible effect on your life. The guy in the White House isn't going to change your life.
>>56584807
>le trump is racist KKK meme
>>56585334
>Wants a 45% tariff on trade
>Wants 20-30K Troops in Syria
JUST...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-30000-troops-isis/
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/07/donald-trump-says-he-favors-big-tariffs-on-chinese-exports/?_r=0
>>56584807
>decent human being
What is a decent human being?
For the last 2000 years it's been: turn the other cheek, love thine enemies, a rich man can't enter heaven so give all your money to the poor, the meek shall inherit the earth. That's a very Swedish philosophy and is the antithesis of Donald Trump's outlook so I can see how you'd feel that way. Many young and/or female Americans feel the same way.
However, I posit a different definition of being a decent human being: supporting myself and my family without burdening others, being able to defend myself from most existential threats without relying on others, and thinking of modern events in the context of historical events so as to help guide our nation (and thus myself and my family) away from existential threats that are not immediately threatening in the way that things like terrorism or nuclear escalation are
>>56585233
This.
People in the US are sick of the political establishment, which is why Trump has gained so much traction. We're sick of being put after everyone else, be it Israelis, illegal Mexicans and Central Americans, Cubans, etc.
When you have both the Republican and Democrats attacking one candidate, and all the media actively attacking him, it's strange. To the point where George Soros pays off people to disrupt his rallies.
And it isn't "dumb white hillbillies" voting for him, it's people of various ethnicities within the US.
Granted >>56585458 is also right too, local government will have more effect on your life than big government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9MCvK2MGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPC4DDW_LSw
>>56585403
At least Sanders has a consistent and thought plan. Eveyday I'm more convinced that whoever America votes, it's not actually going to be better than Obama. In fact, if any other Republican candidate had won America would be better off
>>56585233
So you're saying they're frustrated but not confused? Because I say they're confused because Trump isn't going to change any of that.
If you trace all of these issues and ask how did they start, you'll find that the cause is the growing power of corporations.
Now the issues Trump is addressing are legitimate, but he isn't proposing a true solution. He's saying repeating over and over that he isn't a puppet of corporations, and that might be true, but he isn't telling us he's going to limit their power. In fact, his neoliberal economic plans, or whatever his short comments hint towards, suggest that he's simply going to give corporations more power. Hence his supporters, and quite possibly he himself, are confused.
>>56585153
What are you going to do when ISIS conquers your town and demands you recite the Quran to prove you are Sunni enough?
>>56585532
""We really have no choice. We have to knock out ISIS," he said. "I would listen to the generals, but I'm hearing numbers of 20,000 to 30,000.""
le biased left media face
>>56585532
>he can put a tariff on anything without congress
>implying defeating ISIS and then quickly leaving isn't the right thing to do
>>56585532
>>Wants a 45% tariff on trade
first good thing I've heard about him thus far
>>56585597
Not really. We know based upon campaign finances he's recieved zero (0) support from big corporations.
He also is willing to defend America against immigration and has a good foreign policy.
Using your logic, every voter is confused unless they support getting fucked by Big Business.
>>56585561
>He's not an establishment figure
Yet he donated millions to politicians and openly says it out loud
>Doesn't want to get involved in foreign policy shit
Yet he wants 30 thousand fucking troops in Syria
>Sick of being put up after everyone else shit
Oh vey http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/03/trump-clinton-headline-pro-israel-lobby-conference-160318151342488.html
>It isn't "dumb white hillbillies"
You're right, just generally idiotic people
>>56585686
ISIS is going to burn itself out anyways. It's stuck between Israel and Iran, neither of which it has any chance of making headway in. It'll all be over once Syria runs out of people to fight.
>>56585776
>45% Tariff
>Good
Good bait.
>>56585813
Donating to candidates does not make you establisment. It means you are smart enough to use the system to gain power.
You need power before you can change the system.
No. Generals say we need that many. Not Trump.
>>56585931
surely you jest
>>56585864
>it'll burn itself out
>2 years after we started bombing them 4,000 times a month
This is like claiming the Syrian civil war will burn itself out.
>>56585813
Rich =/= establishment figure
Donating to candidates =/= establishment
>Yet he wants 30k troops in Syria
To combat ISIS. I'm sure having a rogue nation that plans. Let's not forget the fact that they've already attacked the West (US included) various times, and now with Putin pulling out of Syria, nothing will improve for a while.
>AIPAC conference
He did it to, but he hasn't received any major donations like Ted Cruz, Bernie, or Shillary have.
>Generally idiotic people
No, that would be the Bernie Sanders crowd, who are all entitled teens/young adults.
>>56585952
>MFW Trump was all a ploy to get Hillary elected
>>56585931
China is dependent on the US though, if you put tariffs in place they'd stop their bullshit.
>>56584807
you are not wrong but your /pol/tardness and internet faggotry is pretty high. if you are ok with being like one of that internet brainwashed faggots, as a starter tell your real m8z who you really are and keep the internet way irl as well.
>>56585952
So, he's had gained power thanks to the government for the last 20 years? Truly the anti-establishment candidate
>>56585532
disgusting
>>56586028
The Syrian civil war would've burned itself out if we didn't fund those fucking """"""""moderate"""""""""rebels.
I heard Trump will also stop supporting those.
>>56585620
I know enough Quran to fool them, don't worry, anon.
>>56585800
>We know based upon campaign finances he's recieved zero (0) support from big corporations
Have you read my post? I didn't claim otherwise. The problem is, his economic plans don't suggest limiting corporate power.
I will hand it to him, though, he's on the right page when it comes to keeping foreign economic interests restricted.
>Using your logic, every voter is confused unless they support getting fucked by Big Business.
Now I really mean it, have you read my post?
>>56585931
>China doesn't manipulate its currency for trade benefits
There's a difference between a flat 45% tariff, and a tariff certain Chinese imports.
Did you know Obama recently put a 1200% tariff on Chinese steel?
There are no good candidates.
>>56586068
It would also raise the costs on every product with chinese components 10 times. They'll just keep on expanding to developing countries
>>56586118
[samefag] The rebels never even had the support of the majority of the country btw. It would turn out into another Libya.
>>56586042
>A ploy
I would have agreed with you in the first few months, but he's been chastised throughout he nation that will likely hurt future business deals, his property has been attacked, has spent millions campaigning for himself, etc.
If it was a ploy, he would have dropped out by now, and let Jeb win
>>56584807
Donald trump won't win ever, it's true that with all of that rioting happen in his speeches he's getting more and more popular.
But is also true that he is a huge treat for the world so the Republicans will do everything to stop him.
>>56586162
They won't just stop trading with their biggest trade partner.
>>56586156
Kasich was alright.
He is the last hope of white America and the civilised world.
>>56584807
>not voting for the funniest canditate
Presidential power is overrated anyway
>>56586191
They're considering running a third party candidate to oppose him.
Last time the the republicans did that, Ronald Reagan became president of the US
>>56586253
Funded by Soros and only in the race to stop Trump from winning any remaining delegates.
>>56586191
>But is also true that he is a huge treat for the world so the Republicans will do everything to stop him.
They're already starting to fold to him. They realized they'd lost once Romney's condemnation of him did basically nothing.
>>56586075
What?
You need power to change things. Everyone in power is a hypocrite.
Trump is simply the least establishment candidate.
All you need to look at is the fact the media establishment and Republican establishment is DESPERATELY trying to stop him to see that he is agaisnt the establishment.
>>56586133
The problem with that example is that steel is a strategic asset and we have plenty of other tariffs and protections on agricultural products such as sugar and corn. In the case of sugar, we have fucking quotas and other protections that would prevent the price from going down substantially.
China can do what it wants with it's currency since we have no formal free trade agreement with them and because of the size of it's market at this point.
>>56586189
This pretty much>>56586309
Republican Party will fracture
>>56586156
>best of the worst meme
I agree though.
>>56586126
We were all too happy to bomb you guys 5 years ago, but now that ISIS is forming a rump state in Libya we won't bomb them at all.
Oh and yeah. Trump is establishment, but he's the least establishment of the candidates. Just look at how the Republican establishment and the media is responding to him.
What does he mean by this?
>>56586389
We are part of the WTO. That means any tariff we put on them they can respond in kind to.
Currency manipulation is banned by the WTO, but good luck stopping major powers from doing it.
This discussion got offtrack.
I'm simply saying that a threat of a tariff on China will move them closer to the liberalization of their currency. People who claim Trump is insane forget that we have an average 20-30% tariff on many Chinese goods. Obama's DoC put a 1200% tariff on steel recently to protect blue dog states.
But if Congress didn't want this they can overrule the DoC.
>>56586602
>>56586253
Kasich has gotten very few votes for a reason.
He is as uninspiring and bland as Hillary.
>>56586452
I'd argue Bernie Sanders is far less establishment than Trump. The only argument against him from you that I can accept as legitimate is his stances on minorities and feminism and all that.
He's the only candidate that refused to speak to AIPAC and has consistently voted for for laws that are hostile towards the federal reserve and against trade agreements with China. He's the only guy I could see becoming a pain in the corporate but if elected.
Too bad he won't get elected.
>>56586711
You're right in regards to WTO rules. Again, the problem is that at this point, China's economy is so massive that it can subvert the rules at this point.
That isn't to say they shouldn't liberalize their currency because I would agree that they should.
The threat of a tariff is idiotic mostly because it would hurt U.S consumers since it would raise the costs of consumer goods. Steel isn't a consumer good so Obama can get away with raising it 1200%. Also, there is a political economy dimension to it as well.
>>56586191
>he is a huge treat for the world
How?
>>56586602
>>56586731
>>56587047
>>56587023
He'll be racist against Mexicans and Muslims. Thus he is a threat to the entire world.
>>56587112
i can't even
>>56587155
>>56587047
>>56586731
Embarrassing desu
>>56587023
he said something mean on tv once
>>56587114
he isn't racist against any of those
>>56584807
I'd vote for Trump if I was American.
>>56587114
TRUMP WANTS TO ENFORCE THE LAW AND DEPORT ILLEGALS WOW HOW RACIST
daily reminder
>>56587358
its funny cuz legal mexicans actually like trump
I wonder why
TRUMP
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Too bad he'll never exterminate all the niggers
>>56586982
He's terrible when it comes to economics, not surprising since he's a commie though :^)
>>56584807
Trump is literally the best choice there is.
>people think democracy is real
>>56587296
>>56587358
I was being sarcastic. People here assume he's the next Hitler because he wants to deport illegal immigrants (wow people who are in the US illegally, how racist), as well as reducing immigrants/halting immigrants from ME/NA for a while due to ISIS members amongst the group.
I'm an immigrant myself, and I just don't understand how people who came here legally would not support Trump, especially since illegal immigrants make a mockery of the laws of the country they want to immigrate to. If they wish to come here legally, by all means, but they must follow the law.
>>56587539
Damn Irish monkeys and their papacy infiltrating American society.
>>56587666
>666
>>56584807
>sweden
Your opinion doesn't matter
>>56585561
>People in the US are sick of the political establishment, which is why Trump has gained so much traction.
how is Trump not the establishment ? He embodies the image of pre 9/11 USA
Trump is shit.
There is no candidate better than Trump in the race though. Everyone else is a corrupt incompetent idiot or insane.
>>56584889
Shitty /lit/ memes
It's just LE /r9k/
>democracy
>real
>>56587199
>>56587112
>>56586602
>Implying he will make anime real
Well memed
http://otakuusamagazine.com/LatestNews/News1/Tokyo-Newspaper-Fuses-Attack-on-Titan-and-Donald-T-7552.aspx
>>56592524
I would rather vote for Bernie, I don't want to vote for Trump, and there is no way in hell I'll vote for Hillary.
>>56592793
Nice argument
Like /pol/ wont go suicide if Trump loses
