>Iran is the only country that when looking at the past, it looks like the future
Pretty sad senpais
>>56577154
ikr, Iraq their neighbor is having the same fate.
>>56577154
Not really, Somalia was becoming great in the 70's/80's before everything went to shit due to the civil war.
Afghanistan is the same way.
>>56578414
>>56578467
Jut translating the text, I'm sure there more examples.
>>56578638
ah, sorry mate
Here's one from Saudi Arabia before the Islamic awakening
Thanks America!: The thread
>>56579202
Seriously?
>>56579202
>America
>not Isl*m
>>56579968
More like both America and Islam.
>>56577154
t. Alborz Bharbazi
>>56579202
Yeah, thanks America. Thanks for the wonderful influence of crazy imams we followed without question that lead us into shit. Thank you, you did good.
>>56579202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2rTafbQepg
Thanks Islamerica!
>>56577154
THANK YOU USA
It's actually mostly Englands fault.
>>56580132
>tfw the Bill Clinton era is gone
>tfw the best time in history is gone
JUST
>>56577154
>>56578467
>>56579146
And what happened?
>>56580320
yeah, colonial rule shouldnt have ended2 tbqh
>>56579146
Still shit
>>56580396
State sponsored religious re-awakening
Good luck with that Orthodox Church, Russia.
>>56580396
The Shah was the leader of Iran at the time. He pushed for progression and modernity, and also restricted religious freedom. But he was very unpopular and in the late 70s he got kicked out during the Islamic Revolution. Then thing s changed to what it's like now
>>56580647
What Orthodoxy have to do with ME?
Again with the disgusting cherry picked pictures from le Iran in le 60s le le. The society needed an Islamic republic to grow out of its religiosity, to realize how ineffective Islam is as a political tool in 21th century and lay it to rest.
Sooner or later this system will soften up and then people will actually act like those pictures from their own free will, not by a government mandate.
>>56580503
>dutch education
Iran has never been colonized.
>>56581990
>>56581916
I look at these pictures and blame America for fucking with you but then I remember that this is how you think,so you kinda deserve it
Everything was okay before the West haven't started supporting Islamists in early 80s as an opposition to left secular governments, and those governments failed reforms and became unpopular that caused rise of Islamism. Then the west overthrew secular regimes to put the region in chaos to drain oil and workforce for free. Iran is the different though, Shah was pro-western, but sold his country to western corporations and westernized it violently (girls could be put in prison for wearing hijab). I second that arab guy, people in MENA would get disappointed with Islamists too and turn their faces to lefts and liberals.
>>56580339
>bill clinton
>nafta
Literally the worst president
>>56580782
>religious re-awakening
>>56579202
Second that guy. So funny see westerners denying that they helped Islamists to become a thing and destroyed their MENA countries turning them to heroine producer like Afghanistan or giving their oil for free like Iraq while USSR built there hospitals, power plants, schools, roads, etc.
>>56580782
Are you serious? Orthodoxy was born there and all most of Arab Christians are orthodoxes.
>>56582362
>>56582440
Are we helping them? You totally lost me.
>>56579202
>>56582390
These
>>56582511
What I meant:
ME > religious re-awakening > goes to shit
Russia > Orthodox re-awakening > ?
Is it more clear now?
>>56582511
We help secular regimes, like Sisi in Egypt and Assad in Syria, we support lefts and nationalists there usually, we do not support specially any religious group there, but we historically have better relationships with shias more then sunnis.
>>56582624
>Russia > Orthodox re-awakening
I don't see it.
>>56582624
Well, orthodoxy and forcing the religion are not the roots of problems in Russia, but they make it more difficult to develop country because religious leaders and people will always support conservatism and even reactionery ideas. Our forcing the religion by government is actually very close, as the internal politics at all, to Turkey and Erdogan policies.
>>56582104
Nothing bad has happened to Iran imo, we're the only safe country in this shitty region and we're actually progression economically while everyone else is busy killing each other over Islam. Saudi Arabia has spent hundreds of millions of dollars to destabilize Sunni parts of Iran but has failed miserably, that's very important, it means people in Iran are mostly over Islamism.
No other country in the region can claim this except Turkey, and they have pan turkism which is an equally destructive cancer as Islamism.
>>56582705
You are either don't watch TV or religious yourself.
>>56582763
>Our forcing the religion by government
What are you talking about? Some restoration was made by liberals in early 90s but now it's on decline.
>>56582812
TV is not real life, you know.
>>56579202
For once I have to agree with an Arab. America is in this specific case 100% at fault.
>>56582780
True, but you still have that ayatollas who hold you back. You should get rid of them and you will do fine, you already have some democracy, you had good economy before sanctions and you're one of world leaders by number of science studies conducted growth.
>>56582780
And you have pretty secular Lebanon, Tunisia and Algeria in MENA region, and secular government in Egypt (while low classes of Egypt support Islamists, yes).
WTF?
I hate Russia now!
>>56583023
In 2009 we tried, they aren't willing to let go of power and Iranians decided they don't want the mullahs out bad enough to turn the country into Syria or Iraq, smart decision.
Freedom matters but peace and security matters more. We will try to reform the system from within and await Ayatollah's inevitable death. I very much doubt Iran will have another supreme leader.
>>56583143
Yeah, Libya was too.
A secular dictatorship is just another Islamic revolution waiting to happen, people should be allowed to try political Islam and realize its ills first hand or they will never grow past the theocracy stage of civilizational development.
Only Lebanon is a respectable example, but keep in mind that +30% of Lebanon are Christians.
>>56583224
What do you think will happen when Khamanei kicks it? It can't be long now. How much did the recent elections for the Council of Advisors [or whatever you call it] shape the future?
>>56583442
What proxy are you using?
>>56585205
4chan is blocked in iran
But you don't need a proxy,just put https behind the address
iran is kind of based desu
>inb4 t. muhammad, i'm a white atheist
>>56585668
>Nearly 1395
>being an atheist
>>56582780
>they have pan turkism which is an equally destructive cancer as Islamism.
Stop right there
>>56577154
Not really desu, rejecting western decadence is always a step forward.
>>56578467
>>56577154
Don't forget to thank americans
>>56581990
Aren't you more arab than persian?
>>56586343
wait you're literally actually literally unironically shia? whaaaaaaat
>>56582624
The difference is that Orthodoxy is based
>>56586632
Nah but i believe in god and thats all
Fuck a fedora wearer
>>56578467
>memes.com
>>56586701
You are literally the same shit as isis, Chubek
>>56586701
Do you identify as muslim, theist, or deist? Depending on your answer, is this controversial among your friends?
>>56582390
>>56579202
Mostly true
>>56586888
Russia helped secular communist government to fight against Islamists backed by USA.
>>56586809
nah man i just believe in god and thats all
>is this controversial among your friends?
more or less
>>56586790
Fuck off abdoul
>>56586888
Surely America's support had nothing to do with fomenting the Islamic rebellion before the Soviets intervened?
>>56587062
Just like you helped to suppress counterrevolution in Czechoslovakia in 1968?
>>56587119
do you have openly atheist friends? sorry if question is dumb I'm just genuinely curious
>>56581990
come again? I cannot hear you over the moans of my persian wife roxanna sucking me
>>56587213
No. But the Russian is correct.
The US fomented the original Islamist rebellion against the secular Afghan government.
>>56587062
You are both at fault
Soviets bombed the fuck out of the country and put millions of mines everywhere that STILL to this day kill people
Americans fueled the insurgency by giving weapons and money to pakistan, who then used those resources to develop the Taliban among refugees in Peshawar and Quetta
>>56587238
I was an openly atheist to my religous grandma and freind few years ago
but i reliased i was wrong
>>56587353
At fault for the Islamist takeover?
America fueled them the most. We literally were on the side of the Islamists, and we started the rebellion before the Russians arrived.
Russia being a brutal stupid fuck had a part, but we started the Islamists.
>>56587339
>secular Afghan government
I wonder how that government got into power...
>>56587353
americans funded al-qaeda, not pakis
>>56577154
That's what happens with countries which rid off communism.
>>56587528
Russia is why the jihad started
The US and Pakistan are why it took over the country
There were moderate mujahideen who didn't receive any help from the US, they were the ones who fought against the Taliban post 1996
Not all of the "Islamists" were Taliban
>>56577154
This is pretty bullshit, senpai
Majority of Iran has always been durka, what happened was that durkas started ruling and the elite bourgeoisie minority left for the west
If these pictures weren't of a sheltered small minority, the revolution wouldn't have happened
>>56587599
Why don't you tell me.
A secular, stable commie aligned government is 100x better than whatever they have today.
>>56580396
Saudi arabia : that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure
>Saudi King Khaled however, did not react to the upheaval by cracking down on religious puritans in general, but by giving the ulama and religious conservatives more power over the next decade. He is thought to have believed that "the solution to the religious upheaval was simple -- more religion."[43] First, photographs of women in newspapers were banned, then women on television. Cinemas and music shops were shut down. School curriculum was changed to provide many more hours of religious studies, eliminating classes on subjects like non-Islamic history. Gender segregation was extended "to the humblest coffee shop". The religious police became more assertive.[44]
muslims being retards as fucking usual
>>56580073
America coup'd Mosadegh who was both popular and secular
>>56587641
We gave a ton of support to the Pakis for the explicit purpose of training and funding islamist rebels against the Soviets.
This is just like Syria.
>>56587821
It was more secular in the past than it is now.
Just like Libya, or what's left of it.
>>56587821
So how was the average school in iran back in the day?
>>56588005
I don't think Libya was secular, it was just that Gadaffi kept the durkas under control
>>56581990
>>56581916
Retard proxy fag
Kill your self German/Canadian/burger
>>56587931
Abd you did the same in Chechnya.
>>56580715
Mossadeigh was also for progression and modernity, and more freedom and democracy unlike the Shah. He was democratically elected and then destroyed by the good ol' USA, destroying freedom wherever they go.
>>56587874
>Why don't you tell me.
By a military coup that was backed by Soviet Union
>>56588064
That's not true. Libyans here will tell you it was more secular in 2010. (No more green flag)
Libya was very much more secular back then.
The civil war, economic crash, and influx of foreign terrorists radicalized a lot of people.
>>56580396
Soviet Russia - Taliban - USA happened. In that order.
>>56588282
Gadaffi was a religious man himself though
>>56587900
Fug.
>>56587902
Because USA and Europe want the whole region to lie in ruins under fascist Islamists to drain their oil and workforce for free. That's actually what they want to do in the rest of the world: they supported Yeltsyn and Gorbachev who ruined us, supported radicals who want to destroy their country everywhere, from nationalists in Yugoslavia to fascists in Latin America.
>>56588248
Okay. What's your point? The government had been neutral until the pro-western coup in 1973. The Communists were 100x better than the Islamists we supported.
>>56588103
Chechens were mad savages before USA became a country. Cossacks were a buffer between them and us but Lenin's "Kill all cossacks" policy changed the balance. When USSR disbanded and many got their own countries, Chechens naturally chimped out and genocided everybody in vicinity.
>>56578467
>cherry picking pictures from a wealthy american family whose dad took a job there
Afghanistan outside of select areas of Kabul was the same tribal, stone age shit hole it is now.
>>56588371
Lol
Just as Obama is a "christian"
>>56588416
We don't get their oil for free, unfortunately. Asia and Europe import far more oil from Iraq than we do. Most of our oil these days is produced domestically.
>>56588542
>The government had been neutral until the pro-western coup in 1973.
did some other country help that coup?
also
>commies
>better than anything
>>56588542
You're an utter moron.
>>56582860
> liberals in early 90s
Russian Orthodox Church has been rebuilt from the scratch by the USSR, with use of NKVD cadres, and is an integral part of state power-structure ever since.
>>56582780
>pan turkism which is an equally destructive cancer as Islamism.
Except they are steering more into the "islamism" part since Erdogan came to power.
>>56588624
Well people said Saddam was secular and he wrote a Quran using his own blood as ink
>>56587339
Actually US got involved as a result of Soviet intervention.
Before that, even the killing of US ambassador didn't result in anything.
>>56588064
>>56588282
>>56588371
>>56588624
>>56589216
This might be hard for many to believe, but Gaddafi wasn't a supreme leader. He didn't always have his way.
Our legislative authority established a bunch of religious laws, removed some.
I guess we never had a religious authority, but we did have religious laws. Not anymore or less secular than, say, Egypt.
>>56589492
So why did he get killed if he wasn't even calling the shots in Libya?
>>56589570
He was the leader, just not the supreme leader. He was also the unifying element in a wide alliance of tribal and regional interests that ruled the country.
The defining point in the shift of power was the banning of people who were part of the regime from ever taking part in politics again in what is known as the isolation law. This meant the part of Libya that used to rule can no longer participate in politics, and this is what eventually cause the 2014 civil war.
>looking, dressing, acting and talking like Westerners make you modern
Over thing about a lot of the Iranian bourgeoisie from the Shah era who now reside in California is that they have so much of an inferiority complex that they would reject everything Iranian for everything Western just so they can feel more "modern" and "cultured".
During the time of the Shah Iran was over 50% illiterate and other than a small wwll-doing minority the rest of the country was in deep poverty while the Brits were taking about 85% of Iranian oil profits and the average Brit's quality of life was being subsidised by Iranian national wealth. To top it off, what little that remained in Iran was used by the Shah to buy ever more expensive Western goods and arms and reinvesting the money back into UK and USA.
He got kicked out by the most popular revolution in human history and all those leeches that were rich and educated due to their connection in to the royal family and the bazaars left with him.
Ever since then Iran has advanced from a banana republic to a country with its own industry and backbone, with a state which despite limits on freedom, has the independence and strength to preserve Iranian national interests.
>>56590004
so basically the people who used to be in politics wanted to be in politics again, and this caused the civil war?
what a shitty thing to die over
>>56590040
are you the iranian guy who's unironically still a muslim?
there's nothing stopping you from returning to iran once you're finished your education here
there's no war, no violence, etc in iran
Hey Iran-bro, sorry for off topic shitpost but I am learning Persian and want to know what you think of my accent and pronunciation.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1KJZrnEwEB6
>>56590222
I don't believe Islam or God.
What, do I have to hate where I'm from and its government to have a place in Canada? So all those British isle faggots, Italians, Greeks, the Chinks, and everyone else can be proud of where they're from and have public holidays and displays of national pride and heritage but if an Iranian-Canadian does it he should leave?
Aren't you the biggest faggot in this thread.
>>56590147
Being excluded from politics means being ruled by others, means your interests are going to be hurt.
It's a struggle of power that hasn't stopped since 2011. It was never about muh freedoms or even about muh Islam. The cities/tribes that were aligned with Gaddafi are now aligned with Haftar and the ones that weren't had to pick Islamists as the opposite force.
The whole conflict is regionally driven.
>>56590513
>shills for Khameini
>b-but i'm atheist
i agree that the shah was worse than khameini/khomeini but you're acting like they were the saviours of iran
you're so proud to be from there but you live a world away from the everyday bullshit iranians have to deal with
just think about it: why did your parents come to canada?
dumb fuck
>>56590513
I like you
>>56590702
I don't think he was shilling for khomeini, but the revolutionaries did transfer Iran from an irrelevant poor shithole to something else entirely.
They make fighting jets and have a legit space program now when 40 years ago their army could barely push back an attack from tiny Iraq.
>>56590702
>you're so proud to be from there but you live a world away from the everyday bullshit iranians have to deal with
>just think about it: why did your parents come to canada?
literally every diaspora ever, I don't get it
>>56591013
you don't think it's ironic his parents fled the revolution and he's on here shilling for the government that his parents thought was so shit, they jumped on a plane to another continent?
>>56590358
You sound like a mafia boss
>>56581916
>we need a theocracy to become secular
>>56587683
this
rip in peace Massoud
>>56590040
>He got kicked out by the most popular revolution in human history
The revolution had to first be consolidated in a reign of terror. It was implemented by force. Thousands of Iranians were murdered.
>a state which despite limits on freedom
A theocratic dictatorship.
It's okay anon. You can say it.
Given how flippantly you skimmed it over, I can imagine it's hard.
>has the independence and strength to preserve Iranian national interests
Another euphemism meant to elide reality. It's linked to terrorism across the globe. Off the top of my head, +1000 more Coalition casualties in Iraq thanks to them, per CENTCOM.
It's a little bit sick to even have to point this out to someone living in Canada, but identity-crisis trumps common sense.
I am glad the Saudis never had a revolution; if they did, we could end up with Saudi diaspora in the US who's children live in the lap of luxury, talking about how great and wonderful KSA is (not that they'd ever live there). Utterly craven.
>>56591112
It's not ironic at all. Does he have to agree with his parents? His parents might've been part of bourgeoisie class in Iran and turned into working class people in Canada, and so he'd be less inclined to support the shah or hate the revolution.
Also, he could've just come to this conclusion subjectively and his background could have no affect on his opinions.
>>56590702
>understanding the realities of Iran and not being illogical emotional faggot equals shilling for Khamenei
You're giving the mullahs too much credit. Many aspects of this revolution and now pillars of the current state have nothing to do with them. Nationalized oil, an independent non-aligned foreign policy, striving towards industrialization and self-sufficiency are completely secular policies that came in place once the US puppet Shah was dethroned. Many things have improved in Iran since the war with Iraq that followed the revolution. Because of the uplifting of the country from banana republic status, Iran's HDI has grown at more than double the global average and Iranians, especially women, have gone from being majority illiterate to getting close to reaching full literacy. Back in the 70s all the cars, bridges, hotels, trains, high-rise building and tunnels were built by Westerners while now Iranians manage the full process from natural resources to the completed product. If the Shah remained yes we would've been more rich thanks to trade but fundamentally our country would have remained backward just like all the other oil-rich banana republic in the Persian Gulf.
They came because my father loved international studies and languages and picked for us to move to Canada. He considered many countries and due to the easiness of immigration to Canada and his unexplained love for the country he chose here. My family has paid more taxes here than the majority of Canadians. We participate in every election and identify as Iranian and Canadian. We're all proud of both of these identities and these two countries are inswperable parts of who we are now.
>>56590702
To be perfectly honest with you, I've seen lots of white trash in poor areas here where you can't find one person whose parents ever married and they're living with their single moms on welfare. Well educated and hardworking families like mine sponsor the livelihood of these """white people""" while I have to deal with bitchass faggots like you telling me to go back to my country on a regular basis. I dont give any fucks though. I'll beat you at being the better Canadian any day of the week.
>>56591013
But the Islamic Revolution only continued some of the things from White Revolution started by Shah
And Iranian Army was so bad in Iraq-Iran War precisely because of the Islamic Revolution.
>>56591386
>The revolution had to first be consolidated in a reign of terror. It was implemented by force.
We should differentiate between the beginning of revolution which was really a popular rising.
But Chomeini hijacked the revolution, despite his earlier declarations that he will never want to rule the country himself.
Also, the Cinema Rex fire that started the protests and was blamed on Shah, was in reality Islamic militants doing.
>>56591386
>The revolution had to first be consolidated in a reign of terror. It was implemented by force. Thousands of Iranians were murdered.
Thousands murdered? Still much better the American """democracy""" which murders hundreds of thousands and displaces millions every country it touches. I'd rather have 10,000 Iranians killed by Iranians than a million Iranians killed by Americans any day.
>a state which despite limits on freedom
>A theocratic dictatorship.
>It's okay anon. You can say it. Given how flippantly you skimmed it over, I can imagine it's hard.
It's definitely hard but it has some democratic elements at least unlike the US puppet absolute monarchies
>Another euphemism meant to elide reality.
US government spies even on its allies. In Iran American spies go to prison. Our oil profits are 100% ours compared to the 15% share we had in the past. Iran fights outside its borders in Syria and Iraq to protect its interests and destroy the jihadi terrorists your country trained and armed.
>It's linked to terrorism across the globe. Off the top of my head, +1000 more Coalition casualties in Iraq thanks to them, per CENTCOM.
So your invading, occupying soldiers got killed by Iraqi militias with the help of Iran and you call it terrorism? How can you be this delusional? Maybe if your government didn't arm Saddam, allow him to buy chemical weapons from your European allies and gas our people with it your invading muhrines who died in the thousands wouldn't have needed to step foot in Iraq in the first place.
Don't try to explain it to westerners, they are brainwashed with "democracy". Revolution made Iran stronger in many aspects, they actually invented elections, but in my opinion it's time for Iranians to get rid of ayatollas. It can be compared to Italy, for example, which were developed by Mussolini but then fascism became a holding back element.
in this thread like
Can someone tell me about all these LE BEFORE AND AFTER XD pictures? e.g afghanistan and iran?
is it not that they were peaceful before and then had some islamic revolutions which turned them into extremist shit and SJWs like to blame America for it?
>>56579146
this is good. i guite like it. damn shame this got btfo
>>56595470
Okay, let's explain it to you briefly.
Afghanistan:
Since 1923 local shahs had been continually performing westernization reforms to build industry and became capitalistic country from feudal one. Their reforms created some industry, bourgeoisie and a class of educated people. Afghanistan had good relationships with USSR but was not socialist, and had good relations with USA too. Those "before" photos usually show pictures from life of educated class and bourgeoisie in large cities. In 1977 Daud couped Zakhir-shah and established military junta. This caused crisis in society and revolution happened performed by educated class which was mostly left in it's political views, hence Afghanistan communist party came into power. They immediately got the support from USSR and started massive reforms from confiscating landowners lands and giving it to peasants to dividing religion from state and establishing soviet system. That caused pain in America ass and they started backing local opposition to communists which was totally Islamist and composed mostly of landlords, priests, religious peasants and bourgeoisie. They started the rebellion which lasted two years before Amin couped Taraki and tried to stop rebellion by reorienting Afghanistan towards USA. USSR couldn't allow it to happen and invaded, couping Amin and supporting Najibula. USSR built factories, hospitals, houses, schools, roads, helped Afghanis with education. Afghanistan communist party erased feudal system, gave women equal rights with man, etc. Afghanistan could be good example of reforming feudal country into pretty developed modern society if Gorbachev fag didn't went out (we controlled 95% of Afghanistan and Najibulla lasted for 7 years after it with his enemies supported by USA). Al Quaeda was founded in Afghanistan as one of Islamist organizations opposing to communist an was created by USA. All the shit happening there now is the result of USA backed Islamist rebellion.
>>56596747
maybe we don't want your bridges senpai
desu
baka
In Iran Shah Pehlevi tried to westernized Iran in a pretty brutal way. There were anti-hijab laws, for example, by which woman could be imprisoned for wearing it in public. Meanwhile, Iran had no economy and was a puppet state controlled totally by Britain. They were very poor, had no industry and lived for exporting oil. Revolution was started together by Islamists and communists but former overthrew the latter and drove them abroad. Ayatollas started reforms, built industry, developed economy, developed relationships with Russia and we have built them nuclear power plant. Simultaneously, they established totalitarian Islamist regime with opposite to Shah policies: now they kept a prison cell for woman not wearing hijab in public. But the regime in Iran gradually has been becoming softer, invented some democracy and elections and now most of Iranians are pretty secular people treating islamism as an official ideology, living in a successful, if compared to it's neighbors, country with economy, industry and shit.
The mess in Afghanistan started because Sardar Khan refused to suck Brezhnev's dick so he got so butthurt that he decided to simply...take him out.
Actually though, the ultimate responsibility for radical Islam rests with Britain because they allied with the Arabs in WWI and unleashed Wahabism, long suppressed by the OE.
>>56596747
>>56596747
>le ebin Soviet saviours were good boys!
>dey built bridges n shiet!
>Soviet troops occupied the cities and main arteries of communication, while the mujahideen waged guerrilla war in small groups operating in the almost 80 percent of the country that escaped government and Soviet control.[39] Soviets used their air power to deal harshly with both rebels and civilians, leveling villages to deny safe haven to the enemy, destroying vital irrigation ditches, and laying millions of land mines.[40][41][42][43]
>>56597397
>Revolution was started together by Islamists and communists
That's not true. It was started in the cities by various groups of nationalist and religious-nationalists and lleftists which includes communists, socialists, and Islamic marxists. The Islamists ended up taking the revolution since most of the peasants supported them rather than the nationalists or leftist groups.
Everything else is more or less correct.
>>56597718
So blatant shit. We built 142 major objects of Afghanistan economy - hydropower plants, factories. I can give you a full list.
>>56577154
Fuck you, Jimmy Carter.
>>56598284
I can second this guy. My grandfather (I am afghan) was the director of a soviet build hydrostation that provided power to the whole city. With the help of my grandfather (he studied electrical engineering in Leningrad and was appointed a position as diplomat in constructions in afghanistan) a lot of cities gained power and electricity, while not having it prior the invasion. I can also confirm, the soviets did nothing wrong. The muslims were too barbaric and destroyed everything in their path.
>>56598478
>I am afghan
You have to go back.
>>56578467
It's almost as if someone installed a radical Islamist government to replace their progressive one for their own neo-colonial purposes.
Basically, this happened.
>the Soviets start finagling in Iran after WWII so they can weasel their way towards control of the Persian Gulf
>this culminates in their attempted installation of a puppet government in 1953
>the US and Britain work together to remove said Moscow puppet and restore the Shah to power
>he Westernizes the country and suppresses Islamists and all that
>Iran becomes a valuable outpost where we keep radar bases to listen in on Soviet activities
>women can go to school, wear miniskirts, and listen to rock music and all that
>now, in the late 70s, Jimmy Carter, stealth Muslim lover, decides that the Shah is a bad, evil dictator
>of course he loves bad evil dictators if their name is Kim Il Sung, Fidel Castro, or Muhmar Qaddafi because they're socialists
>so when shit starts to go down in Iran, Carter is all like "Oh well long live democracy."
>Islamofascists take over Iran
>they start a war with Iraq to distract attention while the Ayatollah eliminates his political opponents
>the war goes on 8 years and almost drives Iran to bankruptcy, as the friendless regime in Tehran has to face an Iraq backed by (funnily enough) both Washington and Moscow
>the war ends in status quo antebellum, Khomeni dies shortly thereafter, and then the USSR falls and the Cold War ends
>the US also shoots down a civilian airliner (read: terrorist transport) in 1987
>Iran and leftards get butthurt
>since the 90s, with socialism discredited and dead, the initial heroic days of the revolution are over and it starts to moderate a bit more
And that about sums it up.
>>56598853
Of course you mean the Soviet Union right?
>>56598284
>>56598478
>plant millions and millions of mines
>kids today are still getting blown up by them
>farms and villages were destroyed
>people were regularly kidnapped and never heard from again
>millions and millions displaced
>b-b-but my bridge!
>>56590040
Yeah, those execution cranes are real progressive and 21st century, right?
>>56599218
Not really, the USSR and the USA were equally at fault and Afghanistan was the collateral damage.
Why we armed the Mujahadeen? Easy. You have to understand it in a 1980s context. The Soviets had a few years prior armed the Vietcong with T-54 tanks, AK-47s, MiG-19s, SAMs, and more. All of which contributed to 50,000 American bodybags.
So basically, the State Department was seething with revenge and then when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, we just figured "Oh well, let's do the same back to them. Payback's gonna be sweet."
>>56599492
Do you disagree that they you have been better under their progressive government then?
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>>56587008
You got it all wrong, first you thank Britain for killing the Ottoman Empire, creating Israel and Saudi Arabia, then the US for protecting Saudi Arabia and funding fundamentalists which created the islam of today and for invading the place
>>56599751
>Do you disagree that they you have been
>>56599810
It's Saturday night I'm very drunk right now.
>>56599809
>You got it all wrong, first you thank Britain for killing the Ottoman Empire, creating Israel
Oh boo hoo. One tiny postage-stamp sized country is the reason your shithole is a shithole and you instead live in Sweden on welfare.
Thanks religion, the thread
*tips*
>>56599967
>implying the ginormous butthurt that Israel created didnt contribute to the Middle East's downfall
>>56598295
The best answer of this whole thread.
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>>56598853
throwing stones about this while posting under that flag
>>56599348
They're only a handful and the vast majority of Iran's executions will stop once the harsh anti-drug trafficking laws are relaxed. I bet you don't see those American approved and sponsored Saudi public beheadings on your media. Why do you think that is?
>>56600047
Yep, shitskin detected.
Now go back to fucking your government-provided blonde gf.
>>56599147
>the Soviets start finagling in Iran after WWII so they can weasel their way towards control of the Persian Gulf
>this culminates in their attempted installation of a puppet government in 1953
You gotta be shitting me americlap. Mossadegh was a nationalist and although he worked with leftists to nationalize Iranian oil he was by no means a Soviet puppet. He was democratically elected by the people.
>the US and Britain work together to remove said Moscow puppet and restore the Shah to power
The US and Britain work together to remove the democratically elected government and restore the absolute monarchy dictatorship and with that Western control of Iranian oilfields.
>he Westernizes the country and suppresses Islamists and all that
He started some modernization campaigns but they greatly backfired. Why do you think with all that oil money the Iranian economy was stagnating in the late 70s which is what led to the revolution?
>women can go to school, wear miniskirts, and listen to rock music and all that
implying anything other than women going to school in this is a good thing in a non-western country
>now, in the late 70s, Jimmy Carter, stealth Muslim lover, decides that the Shah is a bad, evil dictator
>of course he loves bad evil dictators if their name is Kim Il Sung, Fidel Castro, or Muhmar Qaddafi because they're socialists
>so when shit starts to go down in Iran, Carter is all like "Oh well long live democracy."
retard
>they start a war with Iraq to distract attention while the Ayatollah eliminates his political opponents
Saddam started the war with American and Saudi assurances.
>the US also shoots down a civilian airliner (read: terrorist transport) in 1987
I was being trolled all along.
>>56600957
t. Tyrone Espinoza
>>56599348
>USA critisizing anyone on death penalty
Topkek. I don't see a real difference between hanging and mortal injection.
>>56601067
The American mortal injection somehow manages to be more expensive than life imprisonment. Hanging costs almost nothing.
>>56599290
We actually developed this country while US backed fascists who wanted it to stay in feudalism.
>>56600960
>this sad sack diaspora again
You never give up, do you, Firuz.
>>56601116
>Cases without the death penalty cost $740,000, while cases where the death penalty is sought cost $1.26 million. Maintaining each death row prisoner costs taxpayers $90,000 more per year than a prisoner in general population. There are 714 inmates on California's death row.
>>56601127
Now I know this is a Kremlinbot because only Kremlinbots unironically use the term "fascist".
>>56601163
>calling someone Firuz on Nowruz
That reminds me that Nowruz is in 4.5 hours and I gotta get ready.
>>56601229
>mfw haven't even showered yet
>>56596747
>Afghanistan
>USSR and his local ally did only good
>Iran
>It was all fault of US and their puppet
Yeah sure.
Wrong, Venezuela is in the same position.
>From the 1950s to 1970s had the 4th highest GDP in the world
>One of the most industrialized countries in Latin America (alongside Argentina who was also doing great until Peron)
>Ever since '92, it all went to shit
Now food scarcity, le ebin toilet paper shortages ($2 a roll), water shortages, medicine shortages, but hey at least oil is the equivalent of .08 cents at a gas station.
>>56601278
I showered once 12 hours ago but I think I gotta do it again.
>>56601127
>russia
>developed
Do Americans consider this racist?
>>56601225
You can call them Islamists either, actually the Islamism is just a fascism with an emphasis on religion and Middle Eastern rhetorics, the rest is basically the same.
>>56600960
>implying anything other than women going to school in this is a good thing in a non-western country
Yeah, sharia and honor killings are real progressive, Ardashir.
>>56601493
>having women dress like whores and listen to foreign music is a good thing
>only alternative is the equivalent of what happens in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan
>>56601955
And yet, he still chooses to live in a Western country on welfare as he fucks blonde sluts.
Here's to hoping you get put on a terror watchlist and deported back to your shithole.
>>56601443
nigga needs to trim his chia pet, can't tell what that shit is anymore
>>56602005
Hey Amerifat, I have just the thing for you that'll calm you down.
>>56602645
>no argument
>falls back on meme spamming
Knew it. :^)
