so....does taiwan belong to china?
Legally speaking yes, but in a practical sense no.
why? they are acting and functioning like a sovereign country.
>>56563640
Legal gray area desu.
No one really treats it like it is apart of China.
>>56563640
>>56563656
so china has no control what so ever and they dont take tax $$? why does china keep saying they own taiwan then ?
>>56563619
No but ur mom's ass belongs to my cock
>>56563668
China refuses to acknowledge Taiwan as a country.
Taiwan refuses to acknowledge China as China.
>>56563668
Because both claim to be China and neither recognizes the other.
Are you too autistic to understand this?
TAIWAN #1
>>56563725
both claim to be china
they are both chinese
obviously china is the real china since they all came from there
i dont fucking get it m8
TAIWAN BEST CHINA
COMMIE IMITATORS NEED NOT APPLY
>>56563749
Taiwan has the pre-communist government.
>Taiwan
>elected a woman who wants to import refugees like Merkel
HEAVENLY KINGDOM CHINA MASTER RACE
>>56563823
shes going to import muslims?
really?
Taiwan does not exist.
Its name is Chinese Taipei and the PRC has all the rights to the island.
>>56563841
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/15/tsai-ing-wen-former-professor-on-course-to-be-most-powerful-woman-in-chinese-speaking-world
>Gerrit van der Wees, a Taiwan expert who has spent time with Tsai during her frequent trips to the United States, says she likes to compare herself to Angela Merkel, “[who is] also a very decisive person, a person who has an open government, who is in favour of an open society.”
>“The fact that Angela Merkel opened the borders to the Syrian refugees was something that Tsai commented on as being a very courageous and positive step that she would take too,” he said. “I think there are many good [similarities] there.”
Taiwan will collapse.
>>56563896
this is why you dont elect women as leaders
every fucking women elected in history as fucked over their country.
>>56563749
"Chinese" isn't always an ethnic term.
All of the Qing Empire is considered part of the Chinese civilization.
You ask a young hipster Taiwanese if they are Chinese in America and 9/10 will say yes. You ask them in Taiwan and they'll get mad and say they are Taiwanese even though they almost all are Chinks.
China is more like a civilization than a nation-state. Greater China essentially is China, but with different governments.
This, of course, may change as the younger edgy generations declare non-Chineseness even though they literally are Chinese ethnically.
Btw, remember that overseas Chinks are the most cuckolded group of jews on the planet.
>>56563896
JUST
She is trying to make Taiwan less and less Chinese.
>>56563749
Mainland China was ROC before civil war. Commies win and set up PRC. ROC flees to Taiwan, still claiming they are the rightful government. Nowadays, most Taiwanese want to abandon this idea and just want to become an independent country instead.
>>56563977
arent they independant already? like singapore?
im sure china has no political power over them
>>56564093
They are independent in that they are self-governing, but they don't have official country status. To be a country you need to be recognized by the majority of the world's countries. Most of the world switched over recognizing the ROC to the PRC and only a few countries today recognize Taiwan as a independent country.
>>56564244
whats the point of being recognized? who gives a shit??
>>56564268
Legalities such as trade deals, travel to foreign countries, a seat in the UN.
>>56564879
with allies such as america and europe
what more do you need?
>>56564896
The cooperation of nearby neighboring countries?
>>56564934
they do trades with china
people can travel to the mainland
they do deals with korea japan etc
what else
>>56564949
Travel to all countries, not just the ones who recognize them.
In Taiwan there exists the only legitimate Chinese government. If anything, the mainland belongs to them.
Hong Kong is still rightfully British, though.
>>56563619
No, but Canada does.
>>56563896
The entire Taiwanese government has been wanting to do this, but they refuse to do it because the politicians believe it will destroy their careers because the Taiwanese people don't believe that citizenship shouldn't be tied to ethnicity.
>>56563781
Some of yous are alright.
>>56565058
is taiwan still conservative and uncucked ?
>>56563892
Why are you out of your shithole, Xi Lichiang?
>>56564896
Not getting nuked by the mainland for one.
More like ""China"" belongs to Taiwan.
>>56565116
they will never invade its not worth it
>>56563892
the PRC has no rights to anything, they are an illegitimate occupying force
>>56565092
Haha no, they're socially cucked for the most part.
>>56565142
once they start importing muslims i hope china invades.
If they believe they're Chinese why do they call themselves Taiwanese and not Chinese? Checkmate athiests.
>>56565128
They have 100000000000000000x the population and have threatened to glass the place rather than let it declare independence. Our anti-missile systems aren't that good....
>>56565185
chinese is an ethnicity
taiwanese is a nationality
>>56565198
they wont risk the sanctions
>>56565185
> That post.
>>56565225
More like the US wouldn't risk the sanctions trying to keep a rock on the other side of the planet from being flooded with gommies, I am sad to say.
>>56565279
im sure america will intervene like they would if south korea or japan was invaded
>>56565200
The nation can only be defined by ethnicity. Ethnos and nation are one and the same.
It is wrong to use "nationality" to refer to citizenship of a state.
For an illustration, look at Germany: there are many cockroaches with German citizenship who are clearly not members of the German nation due to their lack of German ethnicity.
Chinese is an ethnicity and a nationality (although subdivision is probably sensible). Taiwan is an island and "Taiwanese" refers to that island, not to any ethnicity or nation. It refers colloquially to the Chinese-ethnic nation-state currently based on that island.
>>56565303
na·tion·al·i·ty
ˌnaSHəˈnalədē/
noun
1.
the status of belonging to a particular nation.
"they changed their nationality and became Lebanese"
synonyms: citizenship
"what is your nationality?"
>>56563619
No.
>>56565408
i tihnk they say theyre from taiwan is cuz they think people would think they are from china if they said chinese????????????????????
>>56565408
This usage is an innovation created by anti-nationalists in a futile attempt to destroy the concept of the nation as the foundation of any legitimate state. It is in the dictionary because people use the word that way, but, as I said:
>It is wrong to use "nationality" to refer to citizenship of a state.
>>56565449
That's your opinion, not a fact.
>>56565461
It's a fact contingent upon recognising:
>the concept of the nation as the foundation of any legitimate state
If your "opinion" is counter to that, that's fine - enjoy your inevitable destitution, anarchy, and subjection by conquest.
#ProtectTzuyu
>>56565568
well, sauce?
>>56565746
>>56565746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rtV5esQT6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHorqM2sCE4
>>56565303
So you must be an abo then?
>>56563619
Taiwan IS china, so yes.
>>56565449
Hello mate.
I am an australian.
But I'm also anglo.
Do you see the difference between ethnicity and nationality now?
Its not very complicated. I hope you've come to a greater understanding today, buddy.
>>56565807
How so?
The Australian state is based on the Australian nation which is a (primarily Anglo-Saxon-ethnic) subdivision of the European race.
There is no room for Aborigines in the Australian nation, and the granting of Australian citizenship to Aborigines does not confer upon them membership in the Australian nation.
>>56565862
The Australian nation is a (primarily Anglo-Saxon-ethnic) subdivision of the European race.
>buddy
You are probably an American after all.
>does taiwan belong to china?
No. Neither does Manchuria, Uyghurstan, Tibet, Hong Kong, Macau, Inner Mongolia, South-of-China Sea, Hainan, etc.
In fact, I think it would be better for everyone concerned if we just went back to the Five Dynasties period borders. Including the part where some modern Chinese territory is ceded to Vietnam.
It's really the only viable solution.
>have taiwanese GF
>she surprises me with a chongsam
>(looked really hot btw)
>I call her my Chinese girl
>she gets super pissed off
hm
Ethnicity =/ race
Ethnicity is culture, which can be changed
Race is race and can't be changed.
Hope this helped.
>>56566014
>>I call her my Chinese girl
>>56566020
they share same chinese culture
speak the same language
>>56566014
Call her your Hokkien grill, and say that that her noodles bring all the boys to the bar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AwXKJoKJz4
>>56566088
what if shes not hokkien?
just call heer your han girl
>>56566105
>what if shes not hokkien?
Then tailor the cuisine to suit. She probably is though.
'Han' is basically as meaningless as 'Chinese.'
>>56566105
>>56566152
She is T A I W A N E S E
But her mother is Cantonese, fled to Vietnam as a child (father was an intellectual so the commies didn't like him), eventually settled in Taiwan.
Not sure where her father is from but she hates him to death so we never talk about him. Probably a mainland Chink too.
>>56566245
why would she flee to vietnam?
cantonese i guess her mom was from hong kong
>>56566277
No, her mum was obviously from China, because why the fuck would she flee from a Brit territory to Vietnam.
The other are illegitimate communist revolutionaries who unlawfully control parts of mainland china while the other is the legitimate government of china.
Pretty easy to understand m8
>>56566304
why did she flee? and when? maybe she fled cuz she was a criminal???
where else are cantonese people besides hong kong?
>>56566277
idk, i'm not her parents kek
They were from Dongguang or some shit, Hong Kong wasn't Chinese back then.
>>56566345
>where else are cantonese people besides hong kong?
Taiwan just has the unfortunate fact that it's geography is like a rock that blocks China's naval ambitions.
If Taiwan was somewhere situated off the coast of Malaysia or someshit, China wouldn't give a fuck.
>>56566345
>where else are cantonese people besides hong kong?
...In Canton.
>>56566386
>Canton
thats a place?
>>56563619
It's sad to see Canada become a chinese province and a Party propaganda dispenser.
>>56566379
>If Taiwan was somewhere situated off the coast of Malaysia or someshit, China wouldn't give a fuck.
Except then they'd be in the South (of) China Sea. So China would give lots of fucks.
>>56566407
Yes. Guangdong is Canton. Where all Cantonese people come from.
In Guangzhou (also called Canton by some) you will even find the Canton tower.
>>56566407
Guangdong and Guangzhou is Canton. Original Anglicisation used by the Brits centuries ago.
>>56566425
>>56566434
thx for the info i thought cantonese was just a dialect and only came from hong kong
>>56566415
Well, alright, if Taiwan was near the fucking Pitcairn islands China wouldn't give a shit.
fucking abo.
>>56566415
if china doesnt care about singapore
then why would they care if taiwan was down there?
>>56566014
What language did you speak to each other in?
>>56566510
German.
Also sod off, welfare Princess free zone here.
>>56566537
also you and her better get out of germany before you get raped by ahmed
How come Taiwan isn't nearly as nice as HK?
>>56566502
Well for starters, all the Chinese mega-rich probably have a lot of cash stashed in Singapore.
Also, they do care about Singapore, but there is no historical precedent, factual or otherwise, on which they could stake a claim on the place. Singapore basically didn't exist a hundred and fifty years ago.
Lastly, Taiwan wouldn't fit in the Straits of Malacca like Singapore does, because Taiwan is much bigger. It'd have to go in the South (of) China Sea.
>>56566611
No Brits to civilise them.
台湾 is 中国 sorry no traditional keyboard here
>>56566649
pretty sure theyre civilized like the ones in hong kong but not as civilized as singaporeans
Taiwan is the best East Asian country.
Hong Kong is a shithole full of sandniggers.
台湾问题 thread has arrived
>>56568241
How is it going in C H I N A
>>56568241
Don't pretend you're not that Dominican guy, Dominican Guy.
>>56568319
Good, G E R M A N Y
>>56568350
I'm not him
