Where did it all go horribly wrong?
1163 BC
When they chose to be frenchboos and went full centralism.
>>56538616
>>56539315
This. Certain parts of Italy (Florence, for instance) enjoyed near-unprecedented prosperity and increase in industry when governed judiciously by Austrian and German nobles. Then pirate-terrorist-Argie-piece-of-shit Garibaldi came and ruined everything.
>>56539613
>
the italian golden age was when our city-states were independent from foreign powers
>>56539722
I'll grant you that the individual republic systems worked very well, but Italy fell into an artistic and cultural dark age not long after the renaissance period and wouldn't start to pick itself up until the start of the modern era.
Of course it didn't help that the city-states were often too busy infighting to do anything about the HRE and France.
Gothic wars first.
Then the discovery of the new world and the consequent abandonment of the med sea as a principal trading route in favor of the atlantic.
Balkanization has its ups and downs.
>>56539891
>Let me tell you about your country
foreign rule (yes, even austrian) was total shit and was one of the main causes of the economic stagnation that ensued at the end of 1500s and continued until late 1800s
we are still the most creative and brilliant minds on the planet you fat fuck, also a powerful regional power
stop being obsessed with us
>>56538616
oh cmon, it's not that bad
>>56542228
As a (former) Italian, this is 100% true, except that that the South is also Somalia.
>>56544108
>this is 100% true,
exaggerated embarrassing retard with a superiority complex detected.
>>56544252
100% Terrone detected, go be a lazy useless cunt somewhere else.
>>56542228
To be fair Sicily should be S. Africa, it's not as bad as proper Italic terronia.
>>56544108
>(former) Italian
>>56544772
Is one to blame for leaving a sinking ship, that is also on fire (and has been deliberately scuttled)?
>>56544936
>le epic self-hating italian meme
>>56544372
butthurt subhuman who ended up cleaning toilettes in london because he was even more of a loser in Italy (while this terrone work in IT as an engineer schooling retarded polentazzi) detected
>>56544372
don't be over emotional silvietto, keep believing that everything your mama told you was right, yes you are white and southern italy is somalia, yes, 100% true
>>56545268
>>56545322
>being this terrone
>>56539722
"Independent" is a funny way to put it. They werent really independent,they were just puppets of the emperor/pope/France/Aragon and later Spain.
>>56545544
they were fully independent until the italian wars of the early 1500s
well, except the south of course
>>56545441
>>56544936
Absolutely embarrassing, northern italians are inhuman scum and should be IP banned. These apes sure do love making an ass of themselves.
Cheer up, Italian-Fag Anons! You still have your culture!
>>56545687
nun t'arrabbià uagliò che poi te prendi nu coccolò
>>56545637
Not really. They were always under the control of the Pope of the Emperor in some way or another,only Geneva,that at the end became a Castillian puppet,and Venice were truly independent. The rest of Italy was under the Pope or the emperor,until they became irrelevant, sphere of influence.
Maybe I am wrong. Its been a while since I have read about it.
>>56545947
you are wrong
northern city states freed themselves from the HRE with the lombard league and shit
go read a book Gonzalo
is italy literally the most irrelevant state in europe? it seems no one cares what happens in italy, what italians think, or what they do. Sometimes I even forget they exist. Then consider that italy is the 4th biggest state in europe by population and gdp
>>56546579
what a coincidence i tought the same about netherlands
>>56546579
Well it's true that nothing big really happened in the last years here, that still doesn't make us as irrelevant as smaller countries.
I don't think anyone cares about the Netherlands either besides muh weed and muh whores.
>>56546716
the netherlands has quite a lot of influence in europe, and its not a g8 member, doesnt have the biggest industrial zone in europe, doesnt have a population of 60million, doesnt have a tremendous amount of territory. Italy is a fucking joke, it should be a big decision maker in europe, yet no one even knows it exists. pathetic.
>>56547184
>the netherlands has quite a lot of influence in europe
>>56547184
nice opinion, pretty sure much more people know about Italy's existence than they know about some irrelevant special snowflake germans
>>56538616
Sud tirolo
Roman empire was literall just the white version of a modern day islami extremist/isis state. No womens rights, fucked kids, and killed its citizens for the DUMBEST reasons in brutal ways. It was its rise but also its downfall
>>56547815
Yes, and?
All empires of the pre-medieval age in Europe and Middle-East were like this, it's not like they were any special. Greek empires, from the city-state era to Alexander's empire were no different. Barbarian tribes may have been very different, but they obviously couldn't manage expansionism like the Romans.
It's because ancient Italics were blonde white Nordic people but modern Italians are the descendants of Greeks and Moors.
>>56546579
Nederland... relevant...
You try compagno
>>56548154
This has been, for better or worse, disproven.
I read a few pieces of work where researches reconstructed Roman skulls and did extensive DNA testing, and they were visibly indistinguishable from modern-day Italians.
No, it'll be difficult to accept, but the once proud conquerors are the same as Guidos and Ruggeros of today.
>>56548322
Jokes aside, we have no ancient Roman DNA from Italy yet as far as I know. We do have provincial British DNA though. They looked most like the non-English populations of the British Isles, with the exception of one immigrant who seems to have been from the Roman Near East.
>>56548322
Having the power level drastically lower than twothousands years ago is much less embarrassing than losing everything in barely a hundred years, if you ask me.
>>56542228
TERRONI DI MERDAAAAAAAAAAA
REEEEEEEE
accurate map senpai i like it
>>56548424
http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/romandna.shtml
A few examples have been found, but we'll probably never know what pre-christian Romans were like.
>>56548724
Lemme know how well Italy's late 19th Century experiments with colonialism went, brah.
>>56548932
Were we talking about roman empire or 19th century italian empire? My point still stands, don't move the goalposts.
>>56548932
Eh, I remember the Pompeii study, it's just mtDNA.
>>56549076
We talking about losing empires a bajillion years ago or making a ham-fisted and in no way relevant, applicable, or comparable analogy to the loss of empires around or just after WW2? Because that's what you were on about. And it was dumb as fuck, so I replied tongue-in-cheek. If you can't handle the bantz, don't try it.
>>56549330
You have Alzheimer's >>56548322
Why would one be surprised at italians falling low since the Roman Empire when we have the best example of freefall towards - relative - irrelevancy right here?
Try not to tell me i can't handle "banter" in such a venomous post next time.
>>56547815
t. abdul jaffar
All countries were like that at the time, only Muslims didn't evolve out of it
>>56549826
>Try not to tell me i can't handle "banter" in such a venomous post next time.
But, I refuse!
It went wrong because 1949 wasn't like this
>>56544412
Thank you my friend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_sorpasso_%28economics%29
>Italy's overtaking of Britain's economy in nominal GDP terms
LMAO are the brits even trying?
>>56552146
No.
>>56552146
>""""""""United"""""""" Kingdom """"""""Great"""""""" Britain and Northern """"""""Ireland""""""""
>>56552146
>In 2009, Britain was briefly overtaken by Italy for a second time, leading the Italian ambassador, Giancarlo Aragona, to talk of a secondo sorpasso.[3]
Article I just found from 1987 about Il sorpasso. This is the last paragraph.
>``Who wants to be compared with a poor country like Great Britain?'' asks Francesco Alberoni, one of the country's leading social commentators. ``We want to compare ourselves with rich countries: Sweden, Denmark, France.''
http://www.csmonitor.com/1987/0508/oital.html
>>56552704
How things have changed, bravo UK.
>>56548154
>there are complete delusional faggots who sincerely believe this retarded /pol/ propaganda
it has been proved that italian dna is basically the same it was during roman times, you delusional dumbshit
>>56552844
Don't worry Renzi will save you
>>56550629
>sotto il bolscevismo
oddio mi stai facendo venire gli incubi
>>56553352
There's no ancient DNA from Italy so nothing has been proved. Thanks for playing, Moor.
>>56553756
There is from Sardinia and we have remained the same.
>>56548154
You gave us the lazy gene, fuck you alexandros
Northern Italy should join Austria. Discuss.
>>56554779
Define "Northern".
>>56554247
There's no ancient DNA from Sardinia. There's ancient DNA from northern Italy that shows Sardinia and the Basques seem to have decent genetic continuity since Neolithic times, unlike the rest of Europe.
>>56538616
TERRONES GET OFF MY PENINSULA, REEEEEEEEE
>>56555099
But I'm already outside of it, also it's not yours
>HOLY
>>56555192
>"""""ROMAN"""""
>ROMAN
>>56555223
>EMPIRE
>>56555192
>>56555223
>>56555247
/his/ please
>>56555287
The irony of this
There was >H>R>E shitposting way before /his/ was made
>>56555049
There is, and it's been examined multiple times:
http://lanuovasardegna.gelocal.it/nuoro/cronaca/2007/08/24/news/il-popolo-dei-nuraghi-oggi-vive-in-ogliastra-1.3297963
There are thousands of many types of ancient tombs and burial from neolithic, bronze age and iron age Sardinia.
>>56555483
Link to the paper then, not some shitty article. In 2007, I doubt we had full ancient genomes.
>>56552146
All Brits do is wake up to feed their cancer society and then go to sleep
>>56546579
>>56547184
>italy is irrelavant
>mentions everything relevant about italy
you are retarded weed man
France's rightful clay tbqhwyf, they're not doing it well, so we'll take our rights back sometimes
