Why did it take 600+ years?
>>56523079
Because Sandniggers invade the wisigoths kingdom during a civil war, when the kingdom was poor and degenerate.
also sandniggers put an oppressive system on society: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Umar
the problem is the fact they take the big and important cities, and the christians kingdoms were weak at the beginning, also sandniggers tryhard to keep the peninsula because mahgreb sucks.
>>56523079
because the smelly dumb visigothic scum let them in in the first place
Reconquista was a mistake
>>56523079
we take it easy
>>56523212
France did OK though, why not Spain?
Germanic visigoths enjoy being cucked by moors
>>56523317
As is tradition
>Portugal will be annexed by Spain during our lifetime
From 900 when cordoba fell the reconquista was faster and some taifas were obligated no pay taxes, the problem was that were like 3 invasions more from other muslim kingdoms
>>56523394
t.barbosa
>>56523394
A man can dream...
>>56523079
From the year Portugal became independant to the Year we conquered our current borders it was less than 100 years.
But as said before, the Reconquista was a mistake, Portugal was a lot more developed during Moorish Rule.
>>56523079
The path to reconquista has to be littered with siesta
>>56523079
reconquista ain't free.
>>56523577
Dude, Henry the Navigator changed history. Aves>Almansur.
Get Mohammed's dick out your mouth and have some pride
>>56523079
because Spain and Portugal prospered under Arab rule, they didn't want to get rid of it.
>>56523283
Jews opened the gates of Toledo.
>>56523079
When it's about removing kebab & jews you want it to be well done.
Spanish kingdoms fought between them as much as they did with the arabs.
>>56523679
>>56523577
>>56523285
t.
>>56523079
Notice the red part? There were literally three sheepshaggers living there. Muslims had the money and the manpower.
>>56523795
Alberto
>>56523656
You are comparing the Imperial Portugal with Dark Ages Portugal.
Of course Imperial Portugal was better.
But during the early Middle-Ages, Occupied towns were richer and more developed than Reconquered towns.
Middle-Ages Portugal was literally:
North - Poortugal
South - Moortugal
>>56523285
>>56523577
IS THIS THE GREAT ALBERTO BARBOSA I'VE BEEN HEARING ALL ABOUT
>>56523079
It was more profitable to take tribute from the taifas than to conquer them.
>>56523299
France was not invaded and was a strong kingdom ( or literally an empire, the Carolingian Empire ) the fights against moors were just small battles.
also the "muslim golden age" is a complete fake.
>>56523885
Things were pretty tough at the time, yes. Turns out when you are invaded, you don;t bring out your A game. Portugal still ended up becoming Europe's first Colonial Thallasocracy
It was a mix between truces and what >>56523942 said.
I would add the geographical advantage in Granada case, but mostly truces.
>>56523299
France was a Huge empire and European Superpower.
Iberia was a clusterfuck of Visigothic Kingdoms warring eachother.
Besides when the Moors invaded France their armies were already worn out from conquering the rest of Iberia.
>>56523079
Things take twice as long on the Iberian peninsula due to siesta.
>>56524131
Siesta is a Mexican thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_ibn_Hafsun#Life
> With Bobastro's fall, the mortal remains of ibn Hafsun and his slain sons were exhumed by the emir and posthumously crucified outside the Great Mosque of Córdoba.
I can't understand how some people can talk about peace or golden age when some things like that actually happened, this is disturbing and retarded.
>>56524257
Religion of peace TM
>>56524257
#Nottruemuslims
>>56524188
Where do you think the Mexicans got it?
>>56523079
Because they weren't going full force conquering all the time. When they did they got results ex. Portugal got to its current borders pretty quickly. After a certain point it became more proditable to just tribute them, many times in history you'll find that its actually better for rulers in a war to not pursue territory but just money
>>56524411
what country are you? xd
>>56524257
Golden age doesn't have anything to do with peace.
>>56523212
>ecause Sandniggers invade the wisigoths kingdom during a civil war, when the kingdom was poor and degenerate.
>also sandniggers put an oppressive system on society: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Umar
>the problem is the fact they take the big and important cities, and the christians kingdoms were weak at the beginning, also sandniggers tryhard to keep the peninsula because mahgreb sucks.
+1 :D
>>56523299
France was a big guy, back then
Iberia was Balkan-tier, desu
>>56523283
This. Germanics and their infighting. Also Visigoths of Aragon converted to islam immediatly.
But the moors replenished the Iberian genepool and made them more versetile, daring and smarter, that's why Portugal was better under moor rule
>>56523079
>>56523079
because it wasn't a chirstian vs moors war but a bunch of civil war where everybody was fighitng everybody + it was worthy to have Granada paying a tribute for like 200 years rather than conquering
>>56524596
Well here in France they actually talk shit about reconquista but always says the "muslim golden age" was an age of peace, culture and science, and the best era of spain.
mahgrebies here are obsessed with that.
>>56525049
France is doomed
>>56525049
it was an age of culture and science as europe was in the dark ages and everything was fucked up but it was far from peaceful or the best era of Spain, and it can also be considered like the first half of less, when the new waves of radical muslims came everything started to get worse
>>56525167
>dark ages
>>56525213
things that happen when the germans are in charge
>>56525167
actually they always talk about the "science", but the science is only the business of a bunch of scientists not related to religion, and not the entire people.
like this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Zahrawi
mahgrebies in France always implies Al-Andalus was great because of Islam.
>>56525252
Well they certainly weren't in charge during the medieval period
>>56525252
Wisigoths were not exactly "Germans" of germany.
they came from Sweden, well they migrate to the coast of the black sea in Ukraine, and after that to the balkans, and of course they move for invades the west and finish in spain.
>>56525310
oh, that's total bs then
they were good just because they took the greek and roman texts and studied them instead of rolling in the shit like the rest
>>56524554
A working country
>>56525456
>minimun salary in your country is 366 € ,
morocco tier
>>56524257
ibn hafsun was a black Moroccan there was alot of conflict between those and arabs
>all this French butthurt
Lmao
>>56525310
Al-Andalus suffered of plenty of civil wars and conflicts
The only good thing about them were the awesome buildings they made and that they separated from the rest of the muslim empire. Al-Andalus was independent, I actually thank the fucking moors that ruled it of that
>>56523954
>also the "muslim golden age" is a complete fake.
>being this insecure
>>56525377
It's always the retardedness of the English language (conflating "German" and "Germanic") in that case which makes such confusions arise, why couldn't they call us some derivation of "deutsch", how about... "Dutch"? But wait, for some stupid reason they put this on Hollanders
>>56525671
Yep, Berbers and Arabs were frequently in civil wars.
>>56525835
You know this annoying feeling about black people and their annoying revendications in your cunt? well here it's the same thing, but a lot more with muslims, and this is annoying really, when they talk about history about anything, THEM are the only "good side", the opponents are always assholes, even when it's about resistors or defenders to a muslim invasion.
they loves talking shit about crusaders but masturbate on everything Saladin did, they complains because french people colonize them but forgot their piracy and slave capture on the mediterreanean sea, also strangely they are mad about french colonization but completly forgot the turk colonization.
I don't said they are dicks, they simply does things on their own interest like every peoples on this planet, the problem is when they are talking about history, they are always the good people and the others are monsters, this is childish.
>>56525896
Andalusians saved us from being completely Bedouin by immigrating here and fighting the Bedouin influence . I am grateful for them
>>56523972
That map is bullshit, where is the Crusader sacking of Constantinople? Where are crusaders that looted Croatian port Zadar? Where is the Albigensian Crusade?
>>56526045
you are correct muslims have the we and them mentality but you personally from your posts have it too . saying the "muslim golden age" is a complete fake is exaggeration
>>56526170
2bh still wrong for Berbers to take credit for it when it was mostly Persians
>>56523781
this. this is how we became independent n shiet
>>56526205
arabs take the credit not berbers . And andalusia didnt have that much perisans . it was an arab berber mix even the ummyads that ruled it had berber blood
>>56523972
aragon was first iirc
>>56523212
it wasn't oppressive, you didn't have to convert
>>56525310
it's not about islam, they just happened to have a more integrative strategy than europe, so they read everything from everywhere, while in europe certain things were just dumb or considered heresy
>>56526170
actually i was talking about the "muslim golden age" according to people thinking it was an age of peace and full science and wisdom for everyones.
I like their monuments or some good advanced scientists of this era.
>>56526330
> it wasn't oppressive, you didn't have to convert
> system created for forcing the conversion, if not you live like a shit underclass citizen.
>>56526045
>butthurt
Battles lasted really long due to spaniards daily schedule.
9 am wake up and head to the battlefield
10 first breakfast
11:30 second breakfast
12-13 battle time
13-15 lunch time
15-18 siesta
18 go back home and party till 4 am
>>56523212
>oppressive
kek, conversion wasn't obligatory, not even speaking in arabic was obligatory, al-andalus was more progressive than most of countries in 1950.
Al-Andalus was great at first but then it became "taifas" and every "taifa" hated each other and Al-Andalus became weak and not united and then the christians had the reconquista very easy
you can note how the same always happen to spain, even in the muslim rule. We are AGAIN with the regional fight.
>>56523954
>France was not invaded
>>56526110
it's about islam versus christianity dummy
The reconquista was slow,because most kings didnt give a shit about it. Ferdinand the Saint conquered more land in 10 years than all the kings of Castile combined.
The Caliphate lasted very little(929-1036) and after that it balkanized and did nothing worthy of mention,and ended up paying tributes to the christian kings. What muslims usually forget to mention,is that the Spanish Christian kingdoms were also very proficient in sciences,maths,economics,literature and astronomy.
>>56526012
all rook same
>>56525049
Same with spanish leftists
>>56526708
you didn't live like a shit underclass citizen, where are you getting your sources from? they had to pay a tax and didn't get as many social benefits but that was about it
>>56527851
this
>>56529874
WUZ
>>56529938
Indeed. They came and we got enriched because they called the muslims to help them in their stupid fraticide wars.
Germanics have been cucks since they started to exist.
>>56530038
didn't the romans call upon Germanics a couple of centuries earlier to help in their fraticide wars? Seems like the romanics are the cucks
oh snap son! you just got served
>>56530307
Both are europeans. If you don't see the difference...
>>56529911
KANGS
>>56530307
shut up holland no one likes you
>>56531313
KEK
>>56531313
great comeback for a nation that elected a hindu
>>56527851
>Proggresive
Only if you think that having christians as slaves and making piracy attacks over Europe and Africa to get people as slaves is proggresive.
Did you ever asked why are chains placed in the wall of the Toledo cathedral?
It was a sign of the liberation of the christian slaves there.
The three cultures coexisting peacefully in Spain is a myth made by actual "proggresives".
>>56527851
http://www.diariocordoba.com/
>>56527851
http://www.elmanifiesto.com/articulos.asp?idarticulo=4449
>>56531549
Great comeback from a nation with 10% Muslims and where you can't walk in the streets of Rotterdam and Amsterdam without seeing a muslim
>>56531790
at least it seems you visited my country, why would anyone even want to set foot in Galicia 2.0?
>>56527851
Also the moors were finally expulsed of Spain because they helped berberic pirates attacking our own coasts and taking us as slaves.>>56531785
>>56531863
would much rather go to portugal than holland tbqh
>>56531863
Because it is a beautiful place, full of history, with nice people, food and sighseeings.
>>56531991
yeah.. I am just shitposting I am sure it is a nice place.... would love to visit Lisbon someday
>>56529433
Also they love muslisms and the muslism Spain age, as you can see in this thread. Also they hate christianity but for some reason they love islam. They are traitors by definition.
>>56523079
castille was more focused on eating other christian kingdoms
>>56523972
It seems like it counts every agressive battle fought by muslims ever and then only counts the battles from the first few crusades.
>>56532315
And it worked at the end. From a small county to the biggest and most powerful and influential kingdom in the Peninsula
>>56529482
here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Umar
> pay a tax to be free.
> normal.
>>56532318
We cant know what the hell counts as according to the pics there were alredy "past mulsim battles in France when Muhammad died at 632", which I found hard to believe.
>>56532710
>> pay a tax to be free.
>> normal.
qeq
are you even aware of what an absurd thing you are saying, unless you are an anarchist and see no difference between the Moor state and any other?
>>56531549
it's not a comeback, it's just a fact
now go post on your general or something
>>56531600
everybody had slaves and everybody did piracy at this time
i don't understand why that's supposed to be anti-progressive
>>56532710
you also pay taxes to be french bruh
SANTIAGO Y CIERRA, ESPAÑA!!!
>>56523079
If you want something done good, you take it easy.
>>56524648
Iberia was always balkan-tier.
>>56534144
>tfw Al·Andalus will rule eurabia with iron fist from 2040 to 2700 when glorious spain goes into a genocide crusade
>>56534378
from the moment we had basques it wasn't going to go well
>>56534578
t. "Vasco" de Barbosa
AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
LITERALLY A CALIPHATE
YOU ARE LITERALLY BARBOSA'D
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>56534620
i'm not saying they're bad, i'm saying they're different. even if we didn't have galicians and catalans and portuguese and asturians and andalusians, we would still have basques completely different from the rest, which would still make this technically balkan-tier
>>56523079
Because they wanted to sync it with discovering America which Columbus didn't do until 1492.
>>56534688
But you have a bit of basque inside you Alberto, remember, you couldn't go to your left without basque
>>56534844
of course m8 we all do.
>>56534578
>>56534688
Just like France brat.
>>56523394
We should just create Iberia, not call it Spain or Portugal, simply an Iberian Union
We'd finally have the population to compete against France or Italy
>>56535042
i really hate the name iberia tho
there's a place in georgia with the same name
i would prefer the name hispania
>>56535122
Hispania denotes old times, we have to think in the future. I rater have it's new version, Spain
>>56535181
i'm not going to name myself spain, i'm not spanish
either you fucks conquer us or we call ourselves hispania
>>56535042
>>56535122
Let's do a czech republic/slovakia case
We should call it Espatugal
>>56535265
We would end calling it Spain like 500 years ago
>>56535280
lol that sounds so funny and horrible
portupaña maybe
>>56535280
>>56535354
>Espatugal
>portupaña
Everyone would laugh at us.
>>56535399
>implying they don't laugh at us already
>>56535354
Portuspaña
Literally Por-tu-s-pa-ña
>>56535399
ESPATULA
PORTUPAÑAL
http://www.strawpoll.me/7114603
>>56525943
It never existed.
It was mostly persian scientists doing their thing. Arabs did very little and islam didn't enable or contribute to the science whatsoever.
>>56535739
>no españa
>>56534660
How does it feel first having been discovered by a caliphate? =)
>>56532057
nederlands fuckings sucks man, half your newborn population is muslim
>>56535740
A good amount of muslim golden age originates from two areas: Iran/greater Iran and Cordoba.
Abbas ibn Firnas
Maslama al-Majriti
al-Zarqālī
>>56535739
>Debt Republic
What are you? German?
>>56535847
>>56534660
Rekt
>>56535740
But they did something. Their expansion allowed that knowledge to reach us earlier, even if they weren't the researchers
>>56536003
I'm persian
Arabs are the single worst entity on the planet.
>>56536029
>but the mongols opened up trade routes!!1
stop worshiping the cocks of the people who butchered yours. They did nothing for you.
>>56536003
So it's basically arguable that the Muslim golden age hit it's peak with Iranians and Berbers, and not Arabs.
>>56536064
They brought a lot of food and fruits that we never had and today are part of spanish traditional cuisine.
Fuck off, Spain is not Spain without its arab heritage.
>>56536064
But it's an objective fact, even if they did so by conquering us, they efectively brought us.
While there was some negative points on their conquest, there is nothing we can do to change history and it's fair to acknowledge whatever they did "right"
>>56536086
Lets continue calling it Muslim Golden Age then.
>>56536311
It's wasn't a golden age, just like the dark ages weren't dark.
Persians did their thing and Arabs stole it.
>>56536086
arabs still did a part in connecting indian/persian works to western civilization. They also made copies from greek works which proved to be useful since the originals were lost from roman times but on the other hand they burned a lot of that kind of books as well (I think we still don't have all the books from euclides for example)
>>56536393
Cool, then lets not rename it Arab Golden Age.
>>56536297
>>56536273
Acknowledge history all you want, just don't claim that they're good. Islam is never good.
>>56536425
we all probably agree on that, but I doubt iran is going back to worship their fire god any time soon
>>56536425
Pal, christians were as obnoxious as muslims back then.
it's not that islam is not good, it's that religion as a whole is a bunch of crap.
>>56536564
Religion sucks. But islam is the only one that is consistently sucking to this day - the discourse must be anti-islam for modern reasons. I realize historically every religion sucked.
>>56536499
t. ahura mazda
>>56533644
> Moor state
they were various moors states of differents dynasties, the system of dhimmis was everywhere anyway.
according to you it's a normal thing of paying some tax to colonial minority invaders for practise christianity or judaism and who gives you less privileges than muslims anyway? that thing was obviously for promote new conversions to islam.
>>56536646
I agree completely with you, but we are talking about the middle ages and in those times, christians and muslims were assholes.
But the point was that even if arabs were obnoxious, that made a part of what we are today, and that's something we cannot change and something we have to feel somewhat proud of.
>>56535847
Sweden was never vikings
>>56536030
I agree with our Shite friend here
