Serious question for Sweden:
What are Swedes taught about Finland in school?
How is our history together perceived?
How are finns portrayed?
Probably the same as Ukraine is perceived in the US I'd imagine
>>56488029
>he thinks swedes learn about Finland in school
>>56492813
They would now, in my world
>>56488029
>What are Swedes taught about Finland in school?
Nothing pretty much, everyone already knows about Finland.
How is our history together perceived?
School or in general? I don't remember personally but most people know that Finland was part of Sweden for a long time.
How are finns portrayed?
Like normal people I guess, not too different from us.
>>56493049
>Like normal people I guess,
>not too different from us.
kek
To be honest not that much, something something hakkapeliitta and finland used to be sweden, something something volounteers to finland during ww2. We spent more on the holocaust than whole finnish history.
It's sad.
Swefag here
We don't learn much about Finland other than that it used to be a part of Sweden. It's like asking what English people learn of Ireland (the answer is not much).
>>56493201
Yeah, this also. Although I could imagine nowadays we try to guilt trip ourselves and say we enslaved the Finns or some shitty history revisionism. I mean back when I was in high school teachers were already whining about Sami sterilisation etc.
Well, it's not like we learn much about Sweden either to be fair. Even when it comes to the "Swedish period" it's mostly about what life was like in Finland at the time.
>>56493341
> I could imagine nowadays we try to guilt trip ourselves and say we enslaved the Finns or some shitty history revisionism.
No, the SJW madness hasn't gone quite that insane yet. It might one day, though. Which is why it is important to be ever vigilant.
>>56493238
Well there isnt much else to know as there are no written sources that goes beyond the Swedish time in Finland.
Finnish history is very poorly documented.
But we dont read that much about our own history either, I felt as if it was mostly about the holocaust and WW2 + the industrialization in the western world.
>>56493533
>Well there isnt much else to know as there are no written sources that goes beyond the Swedish time in Finland.
Not exactly true. Plenty is known through archeological evidence and there are some written sources. Less than many other countries though, for sure.
>>56493201
>>56493533
>holocaust
Really? I remember spending most of my time in history class learning about the cold war era.
>>56493485
So the only part your motherfuckers history that you should be ashamed of and SJW aren't attacking that.
END FINNISH RACISM - 2016. ITS 2016 FOR HEAVENS SAKE.
>>56488029
>About as much writing as in Nokia's stone.
>>56493822
>that you should be ashamed of
Fuck off. Seriously.
Finland is talked about in the 'Stormaktstiden' period of Swedish history.
I specifically remember a triggered Finn in my class actually wanting to go outside because he felt offended when we talked about Finland being a part of Sweden.
>>56493635
No I distinctly remember you learning about the holocaust more than finnish history.
>>56493822
>So the only part your motherfuckers history that you should be ashamed of and SJW aren't attacking that.
Did this come as a surprise to you?
>>56493920
>because he felt offended when we talked about Finland being a part of Sweden.
Lmao typical Finnish butthurt over what are entirely uncontroversial facts.
Plenty more to come ITT, I bet.
>>56493822
SJW will never care about our plight. Finland-Swedes are practically allowed to practice National Socialism and SJWs, leftists, green swhatever have never said a single negative word about it.
>literally still crying over some imaginary opressed period of time when the eastern part of sweden was just as bad as the west except for the rich folk
okey
>>56493920
> Finn wanting to go outside during Stormaktstiden-lecture
TOPKEK CANT TAKE THE BANTER PEKKA
>>56493341
>enslaved the Finns or some shitty history revisionism
Funny you say that because the more I read about our history the more the relationship between Sweden and Finland resembles colonialism. Same kind of policies and practices that were later popularised by west europeans globally.
>>56494011
Sweden was definitely one of the better countries to live in during that time, as a commoner. Didn't matter where in Sweden you lived. You weren't a serf, and you weren't oppressed. You were mostly just left the fuck alone. Where Swedes conquered, they actually liberated. Ask the Baltics who were the better rulers, Swedes or Germans.
>>56493994
Pffff, the thing is that they discriminate against every Swede with a Finnish background even today like it's cool and at the same time have one of the most surreal SJW movements in the world.
Hurris just jerk off each other in a duck pond.
>>56494106
>the more I read about our history the more the relationship between Sweden and Finland resembles colonialism
It wasn't anything like colonialism. Especially since Österland wasn't a colony any more than Norrland or even Skåne is today.
By the way, the Scanians were actually oppressed harshly.
>>56494194
>Pffff, the thing is that they discriminate against every Swede with a Finnish background even today like it's cool and at the same time have one of the most surreal SJW movements in the world.
What fucking world do you live in?
Also, I am Tornedaling. Fuck right off.
>>56494211
>By the way, the Scanians were actually oppressed harshly.
Serves them right for trying to steal our squirrel skins 1178.
>>56493635
Only thing i remember talking about was ww1
>>56494194
> Discriminate against Swedes with finnish background
You finns are like Black Lives Matter-people, so fucking salty and butthurt, claiming shit that holds no truth whtsoever.
>>56494253
Yeah, I'm fucking dreaming.
>http://m.kauppalehti.fi/uutiset/suomen-maine-ruotsissa-on-surkea/NvkT5fSu
>>56494211
at least we have our accent and some funny words you don't understand
>the Swedish police ignoring all calls from the Finns in Sweden
>Finns face violence in weekly basis
>Finns in Sweden share the value than beggar gypsies
>>56494508
>http://m.kauppalehti.fi/uutiset/suomen-maine-ruotsissa-on-surkea/NvkT5fSu
People dont really dislike finns, you know why Finland has a bad reputation? Because so many Swedes are uber liberal faggots who hate themselves and northern european protestant culture which they consider dull, gray and boring.
They want black dicks, AIDS, islam, kebab - multiculturalism. And to them Finland is the absolute definition of gray "intolerant" northern european culture, their nightmare, the dream for us nationalists.
>>56494441
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000000057588.html
>It's forbidden to speak Finnish e.g. on coffee break in public service office in Uppsala
I highly doubt Italian or Arabic would be banned.
What is wrong with Swedes though, really
>>56494662
They aren't like that when there's Norwegians or Danes around.
>>56494662
>And to them Finland is the absolute definition of gray "intolerant" northern european culture, their nightmare, the dream for us nationalists
Even with all this YES, we're not tolerant enough?
>>56494814
Why do people still post that pic when almost all of it is total bullshit? Especially you as a Finn should know this.
>>56494912
I bet that Finn doesn't really "use" real life.
>>56494508
Do you really expect me to try and read that shit? You almost certainly speak better Swedish than I do Finnish. And besides, I wouldn't really put much stock in it anyway. I have a pretty good idea about the state of things (they're fine, by the way).
>>56494698
>>It's forbidden to speak Finnish e.g. on coffee break in public service office in Uppsala
Oh yeah. I heard about that. Years ago. On 4chan. Some butthurt Finn tried to prove much the same thing then, as you are now. Maybe it was you? I'm not about to put much stock in some petty office policy affair, either way.
>>56494662
Nah, it's because Finns here are generally low class welfare recipients. Well, maybe not generally. But certainly to a greater degree than any other group of people who can be considered more or less native here. Nordics, including Finns, are considered as such.
Maybe that's the gripe. Maybe you want special treatment? Well, good news, you have it. You like to complain about what a huge drain on resources your Swedish-speakers are. Well, it's the same situation here with Finnish, essentially. TV, Radio, government services -- you name it, it's there. So stop crying about it. Not that you ever listened to Finnmix in your life.
>>56494912
And everything else that is cherry picked about other countries is not?
>>56494965
All you need to use is the internet to verify these "news articles" and other assorted nonsense.
>>56495004
It's usually at least somewhat based in reality even if embellished. Almost nothing on that pic is what is claimed.
>>56494994
>Nah, it's because Finns here are generally low class welfare recipients.
Why would that happen when Finland is one of the best countries in PISA rankings? It can't be that they are genetically dumb. Maybe they actually are discriminated every step of the turn even when they are born and raised in Sweden.
It only takes a Finnish name to get frowned upon in Sweden.
>>56495009
Why haven't you done that then? :D
>>56495076
The Swedish version of that pic has pics from America and Romania to illustrate how awful Sweden is. And people routinely plain make up lies and write their own fake articles to defame Sweden. Just FYI.
>>56495146
>Maybe they actually are discriminated every step of the turn even when they are born and raised in Sweden.
We aren't. Fuck off.
>It only takes a Finnish name to get frowned upon in Sweden.
Absolutely untrue.
t. Tiensuu
>>56494994
See, here is the genuine Swedish sentiment towards Finns.
Swedes will always hate Finns for having the nerve to not just exist but exist next to Swedes.
>>56492858
How is your game going so far?
Have you been fucked by Russia yet?
>>56494211
Eh, look at the situation. Ethnic hierarchy with ownership and administrative positions favoring swedes who treated finns as a lower caste of humans, Finland as a whole being used for excessive taxation and the production of base resources, lack of development in infrastructure and institutions as well as the repression of finnish language and culture and the overall treatment of Finland as a secondary territory that wasn't proper Sweden to the point where nobles sometimes had to be ordered to move there.
>>56495186
Sure, some of them do. But there is so much SWEDEN YES out there with legitimate sources it's not really even a challenge to make a few pics like that.
>>56495171
I did, years ago. The articles can't be sourced, at least to reputable sources. And pretty much anything else is just common sense for a Finn - "national day"? No such thing. "Average Finnish nightclub" not actually from a Finnish nightclub. "Islamic party", started by an infamous political troll and didn't get enough support to become a party. "Finnish becomes minority language in Åland" actually means that the amount of Finnish speakers in Åland has increased. And so on.
>>56495276
You need to get off the internet every now and then.
Goes for most other faggots in this thread as well.
>>56495355
Nice to see you have done that as well.
>>56495242
Sure, let's say I'm dreaming but like the other Swede said all Swedes with Finnish background are welfare recipients and rest are in jail, this is a legitimate reason for feminists to claim discrimination. Nobody in Sweden ever even hints that there's any discrimination towards Finns though.
If you hate Feminists in Sweden you should always reply to them that swedes with Finnish background also have lower salaries etc. and they aren't discriminated. I bet it would shut them up every time.
>tiensuu
Did your parents move to Sweden in the 70s or are from the north?
>this one faggot spouting his fairytales
He has been doing this for years, yet every time his threads go near bump limit.
This guy is baiting without a doubt, stop responding to him.
>>56495319
Meh, not accurate at least below maaherra level.
During the empire it wasn't bad.
>>56495319
Your entire post is unsubstantied crap, and some flat-out lies, to be honest.
There was a hierarchy, but it didn't have anything to do with what language you spoke, or your "ethnic" birth. That was barely even a concept. It had to do with you being a peasant, rather than something else. And you had bonus points if you spoke German or French. That was the hierarchy.
The rest of your post is mainly unsubstantied crap that you're just hoping someone will swallow, for whatever reason. And some flat-out lies, too. I'm not going to be able to convince you of anything else. That much is clear. You have a right to an opinion, and free speech. A right, by the way, that you owe to the Swedish kings of old. You're welcome.
>>56495513
I've never understood people like him desu
What does he think he'll achieve by doing this? More divide-and-conquer? More ebin bants? More hatred? More bad things? It can't be anything good
Since you'll keep spouting these stupid and delusional things till you die, can you at least elaborate about your aspiration?
>>56495506
> the other Swede said all Swedes with Finnish background are welfare recipients and rest are in jail
I didn't say that, exactly. By the way, yes, that was me. The one of "Finnish" background. I am Tornedaling and we aren't strictly Finns, of course. Many would consider us our own people. I don't. I just consider myself Swedish, frankly. My grandparents and my mother and a bunch of other relatives just happened to speak Finnish, which is reflected in my name.
There really isn't any kind of substantial discrimination going on. Really. Oh, and a lot of those cuntish feminists are fucking Finns too, you know. Lots of them, actually. The entire "cultural left" is full of them.
>>56495846
Are the far left Finns in Sweden cool at least
>>56495846
>Oh, and a lot of those cuntish feminists are fucking Finns too, you know. Lots of them, actually. The entire "cultural left" is full of them.
Strange, ours is full of Swedes and fennoswedes.
>>56495846
>My grandparents and my mother and a bunch of other relatives just happened to speak Finnish, which is reflected in my name.
And you don't?
>>56495981
Some, but not much. They try to give you formal education in it in school if you have that kind of heritage, but I just blew it off. Kinda regret it, to be honest, but it's not that big of a deal.
>>56493533
>But we dont read that much about our own history either
Sounds ridiculous. You were a relevant empire in Europe at one point and your history is rich ( meaning Sweden+Finland), filled with interesting events with ups and downs.
>>56495319
>>56494106
What "kind of policies" are you implying? You sound extremely butthurt about nothing.
>>56495902
Not particularly. I don't know what you mean by "cool", exactly.
>finnish """""""kkuullttuurree""""""""
>>56495846
LMAO what a fucking self hating faggot. It's MEÄNMAA and you are Finns who speak or previously spoke Finnish.
>I consider myself Swedish
So do those Ahmeds who comment on the Swedish national anthem videos on Youtube but neither of you are.
>>56496184
Suomalainen kulttuuri.
>>56496113
Most of that is covered in elementary school, actually. Don't take his words at face-value. We were all young children when were supposed to learn about this. Many forget what was actually covered. But everyone knows the broad strokes, consequently. I wish it had been covered when you're a little older, to understand it better. But I guess that's not as important as learning about the more recent conflicts and history that people who are still alive remember.
>>56496211
>self hating
Realistic, if anything.
> It's MEÄNMAA
It can be. But it's usually Tornedalen, actually. It's a bilingual area, and not actually all that bilingual anymore.
>So do those Ahmeds who comment on the Swedish national anthem videos on Youtube but neither of you are.
No they don't. And yes I am. I, as most "true" Finns, have Swedish blood as well as mongol blood. You know that. And besides, my ancestors from 300 years ago would certainly have been called Swedes, as they fought alongside Karl XII. So why shouldn't I?
>>56496090
>Some, but not much.
>but it's not that big of a deal.
> I just consider myself Swedish
Might be that I'm drawing hasty assumptions here but in Finland the Swedish speaking minority is considered just as Finnish whether they spoke Finnish or not and they won't stop using Swedish as home language. Might be just me but something in Sweden works against that for Finnish speakers.
It just sounds like you wouldn't be accepted as a Swede if you spoke Finnish which is odd since you're living on the land where your family has probably always lived. I'm not saying that that area should be part of Finland but I'm saying in Finland you can be a Finn just like everyone else if you speak Swedish with your family.
Maybe I'm wrong and have a biased view, I don't know.
>>56495146
Its because the Finns here are mostly working class. The finns who came here in the 60's were poor and uneducated, they ended up working in the factories and as pleb tier nurses. The majority settled in the ghettos and lived with the first wave of immigrants such as turks, yugoslavs, chileans, African male exchange students.
Thats why its so common with half finnish/half black or arab people here, because the finnish mothers always lived in areas where only other immigrants lived.
>>56496534
>Its because the Finns here are mostly working class. The finns who came here in the 60's were poor and uneducated, they ended up working in the factories and as pleb tier nurses
Just like our generation's parents or grandparents here in Finland and IIRC education is free in Sweden too.
>>56496474
You're literally insane if you think you are an ethnic Swede(not that anyone will be soon either).
>>56496474
>most "true" Finns, have Swedish blood
Top kek.
>>56496474
>No they don't. And yes I am. I, as most "true" Finns, have Swedish blood as well as mongol blood. You know that. And besides, my ancestors from 300 years ago would certainly have been called Swedes, as they fought alongside Karl XII. So why shouldn't I?
And Kalle Korkki didn't mind his soldiers speaking Finnish yet they were still considered Swedes.
>>56495407
This times hundred.
Holy shit the amount of autism in Sweden-Finland thread never ceases to amaze me.
>>56488029
Johan learned about the French revolution and stupid shit like that
>>56495242
Come home yellow man
>>56496506
First of all, Sweden is not a bilingual country like Finland is. We're monolingual, with certain officially recognized minority languages, where Finnish is the only somewhat relevant one. Which means there are a lot of things that enable Finnish speakers, and so on. But that doesn't mean that you can make direct comparisons with Finland like that.
I have friends who speak both fluent Finnish and Swedish. It doesn't really matter. Also, marriages between Swedes and Finns are common, as you undoubtedly know. They might speak both at home, but to my knowledge they few use exclusively Finnish unless it's with grandma who never learned Swedish. All my relatives except a few always spoke Swedish and Finnish. I grew up hearing both, but Swedish comes naturally when you live in Sweden. Does that really need to be elaborated upon? It doesn't have anything to do with being accepted or whatever. It's just the natural way of things.
>>56496904
>First of all, Sweden is not a bilingual country like Finland is.
Historically Sweden is bilingual.
>>56495846
>Länsipohjalaiset
>own people
>>56496699
I am, partially. That I know for a fact. I also suspect some of my deeper ancestors who lived in Finland hundreds of years ago were actually Swedish by blood.
Sweden is largely an amalgam of Nordic ethnicites, you know. Primarily proper Swedes. But even Geats were considered a separate people once upon a time. And then there are Jamts (Norwegians), Scanians (Danes), Estonians, etc, etc. All these Nordic ethnicities and identities are more or less considered native to Sweden. It sounds America tier, but that only comes as a consequence of having an expansionary past. And then there's a pretty decently sized bunch of people descended from Dutch, German, and Brish peoples shoehorned in there too. If you were loyal to the king, you were Swedish (none of this should be taken as an excuse for multiculti shit however).
>daily Swe-Fin bashing thread
I'll just leave this here as a friendly reminder
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltasanomat.fi%2Fkotimaa%2Fart-2000001139149.html
>>56496996
>Historically Sweden is bilingual.
If we're gonna split hairs, we might as well call Sweden multilingual, taking into consideration all the Norse dialects and Sami languages too. Sweden still remains monolingual for all intents and purposes.
>>56497197
No. You're absolutely fucking insane.
Basically proof that a Finn can't grow up in Sweden and be a normal person that doesn't hate his origins.
>>56497197
Proud pure Mälardalen Swede reporting in.
>>56497462
It tells us a lot about swedish society, doesn't it?
>>56497462
What are you even talking about you fucking retard
>>56497611
He fantasizes about Swedes immigrating deep inland to the part of Savo or Kainuu where his ancestors came from and giving him Swedish blood.
>>56494314
>Serves them right for trying to steal our squirrel skins 1178.
bloody hell
>>56494651
>>56497462
>>56497737
I know a few lived in southern Finland, in the more or less civilized parts, and then left because they didn't want to live under Russian rule (I think and I hope). The kind of names they had aroused my suspicion. But it's all very foggy. I haven't delved as deeply as I'd like to, and much of it is second hand information.
Would I preferred to have been 14/88 Swedish master race? I don't know. Maybe. Would it have mattered? Probably not.
>>56494314
>>56498008
Is there a wikipedia article about this conflict?
>>56498095
Your first step towards becoming a psychologically healthy human being is to try to humanize ethnic Swedes in your mind.
Even these far right Nazi Swedes you look up to so much are usually very insecure virgins. Being one of them is not a blessing.
>>56498708
Now I'm beginning to question your psychological state, frankly. What does my background or how I think about it matter to you?
>>56498949
I'm just trying to help a troubled mind.
You will never be a Swede and need to come to terms with it not being a bad thing.
>>56499433
Nor will I ever be a Finn. I am become the supreme gentleman.
No, but seriously. I have spoken enough now.
>>56498177
Not that guy, but could be this?
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4rjningen_av_Sigtuna_1187
>>56498177
No. It's a semi-legendary story about Matti Kurki who banged Danes' heads open squirting their blood on their man boobs with a mast boom in the Turku river when they tried steal the squirrel skins meant for taxes to Stockholm.
Some say ultra cuck but some say Finnish assburgerism in its purest form: risking your life to pay taxes to a foreign King and to hold to your word.
Might be ancient Kings tier but it's good story. I hope google translate works to a degree. The Kurki family is a known Finnish noble famliy so there might be something in this or not.
http://www.narvasoft.fi/historia/mattikurki/index.html
>Finnish males
>Laugh at swedish men calling them faggots
>Genuinely get upset because swedish males treats them "bad"
Haha fucking faggots, man the fuck up.
>>56498095
>The kind of names they had aroused my suspicion.
Everyone had Swedish names in official records back then. Even my relatives have 100% Swedish names in the records and they were from the deepest Central Finnish and Häme areas.
>>56499798
No, that's some Novgorod shit.
>>56500139
And you got upset because Finns call you faggots. Man the fuck up.
I live in a province far from Finland, was never thaught of how it became a part of the kingdom. I remember history classes was like: vikings - Vasa (kalmarunionen) - stormaktstiden etc. The few finns I met were polite, when I first went to int I didnt understand this dislike.
>>56500779
>how it became a part of the kingdom.
The sad thing is that the info about the very beginning isn't very solid. Some say Swedes even destroyed their archives about that time after 1809.
Recent studies indicate that the beginning was more equal than some zealous Finns or Swedes might suggest. More like Finns saw benefit in allying with Svea than they conquered Finland.
>>56501205
Swedes and Finns allied against Novgorod all the time. It really wasn't till Gustav Wasa that Finland was officially fully integrated into the kingdom.
>>56501406
We Karelians were allied with Novgorod though :^) not all of our ancestors sucked the Swede dick
>>56501569
Which part of Karelia? Check out the pähkinäsaari line.
>>56501722
Grandparents are from Sortavala and Rautu in Kannas.
>>56488029
The few things that was mentioned in history class was that we were one country for around 600 years.
There was an obvious difference between the people in "Österland" and "normal" Sweden. And that Finns were used as cannon fodder. Which imo isn't how i wish it'd been. I wish we'd treated you guys better.
Tbh i wonder sometimes if Sweden would have been different if Finland was still a part of Sweden.
>>56501569
>sucking Slav dick instead
>>56502077
Bro tier Sweden
>>56496996
not anymore
>>56503178
The fun part here is that even the official Sweden uses that as a argument for the Swedish language's position in Finland.
I don't have anything against the Swedish language in Finland I just hope that Sweden would follow Finland and progress in their human rights situation to the Finnish level.
>>56501569
The Big Orange Swedish cock was tasty in Karelia too.
>Karjalaiset nousivat kapinaan Käkisalmessa 1308, Novgorodin Karjalaan nimittämän lääninherra pajari Boris Konstantinovitsin ankaran verotuksen vuoksi, pyytäen Ruotsilta apua.
>Karelians asked for help from Sweden in 1308 when Russians were mean
