What is it like to live in a poor country?
Serious question
Seriously how do you Eastern Europeans and South Americans live on these salaries?
>>56469843
The cost of life is also cheaper. But yeah, we have a worse quality of life than you.
>>56469905
Sucks tbhfam
>>56469843
Cost of living means you can get by on less, and you adjust your expectations accordingly
Also you learn to pretty much ignore half the country, and focus on your little safe zone.
Also you live with your parents forever
basics are cheaper
we pirate everything
we live with our parents longer
>>56470026
How cheap?
How much does stuff like gas and apples cost?
I know a family friend who lives in Bangkok. He says he can go outside his apartment to the street food vendors and spend the equivalent of 75 cents on a MASSIVE plate of freshly made food. I think that is interesting. I really want to go to Thailand now for that ridiculous exchange rate and uh.... things....
Should I just hang out in one of these countries next year lads?
I'm 22, and I have around 20k USD saved up
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>>56471906
¿uʍop ǝpısdn ʇsod ɹnoʎ sı ʎɥʍ
We cool.
>>56471927
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>>56471964
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>>56471872
I've genuinely been thinking about it too.
Granted I'm broke because I fell for the "get a degree" meme and my parents aren't loaded. But provided the CAD recovers a bit, I don't see why I could not retire at age 45 to some place quiet.
Minimal wage here is around 630.000 COP or so, which is like 210 USD, and with that you can never hope to get by every month unless you live in a commie block in a questionable zone
Certainly even though most things are considerably cheaper, many countries like mine have a minimal wage that is nowhere enough to live comfortably, so lots of people have to get two works or do side stuff to get enough
My aunt back in Burma makes equivelant to 70k USD
>>56469843
I earn $900 per month after taxes, which is a bit more than national average I believe.
The most basic life needs cost me monthly:
~$110 for accomodation
~$150 for food
~$50 for alcohol
~$25 for phone and internet
That leaves me with about $550 per month of disposable income.
It's not that bad I guess, because most of stuff is much cheaper. It sucks big time when you are buying commodities such as cars or electronics though.
>>56470446
What percentage of the thai minimum wage is that? Maybe .75 is the equivalent of 3 hours of work.
>>56469905
>The cost of life is also cheaper.
You what? I know for a fact basic food, water and housing prices are extremely high in Latin America including Argentina
It's very typical for both family members in Serbia to work 60hr+ weeks to compensate for living expenses
>>56472156
> $900 per month after taxes
How did you make this much in poland when the majority of the population is making 600$
>>56470446
You know, if you are travelling to Thailand alone, you don't even need to bother with making shit up why you go there, because everyone just knows.
>>56472156
what's your accommodations like?
after taxes I make around 2.2k a month, but my rent for a 1 bedroom apartment is 1k. that's kind of a good deal in my area.
>>56472204
>How did you make this much in poland when the majority of the population is making 600$
IT support, working for western company.
I'm at "work" right now
Also, programmers with just few years of experience can easily make nearly western wages here, talking about >$2k per month after taxes.
>>56472213
I own a 40 sq meter apartment in Warsaw. If I were to rent in from someone, it would probably cost me around ~$300-350. That's why so many young people in here stay with their parents or just rent a single room.
I get ~$1000 a fortnight from government for pretending to be mentally ill
>Pretending
I only pay rent and landlord pays electricity and water and internet.
Pretty good life at the moment.
u mad third world cucks?
>>56472341
Most young people do the rent a room thing too or stay with their parents. Living alone is nice though.
Buying an apartment here costs as much as a house and my wages are too low to afford a mortgage. Even my rental landlords made me get my parents to co-sign my rental lease because they considered me poor. My previous apartment gave me a good reference since I never missed a payment and they still didn't trust me. Feels like shit.
>>56472433
>Buying an apartment here costs as much as a house and my wages are too low to afford a mortgage.
Well, despite me earning more than national average, I still would have to save up for like 10 years to buy the apartment I have right now. Luckily, I come from upper-middle class family so my parents bought me it when I started uni.
>>56472366
Enjoy your vast amounts of free time, I guess. I'm sure you will be having fun for years.
>>56472204
>It's very typical for both family members in Serbia to work 60hr+ weeks to compensate for living expenses
where the fuck do you get these numbers from?
>>56469905
and iPad costs 2x as much in Argentina as it does in the USA
>>56472204
> I know for a fact basic food, water and housing prices are extremely high in Latin America including Argentina
What bullshit are you reading anon?
>>56472211
Will they bring out their finest whores?
>>56472635
Yeah but you earn like 2 cents an hour
>>56472664
I surely hope they do
>>56472680
>Implying everyone earns minimum wage,
Not all of México is that bad, also more data
>Defending mexico
>>56469843
>live
I don't think "live" is a proper word you should use in this case. It's more likely "survive".
>>56469905
>The cost of life is also cheaper.
Not really. In Russia only services are slightly cheaper, while consumer goods cost roughly the same as in the West.
>>56472635
Purchasing power of course? Everything in Mexico is expensive if you are a laborer of that nation.
>>56472635
>3.5$ for 1kg of rice
>4$ for 1kg of oranges
Land of the free my ass, mamerica
>>56472720
>Implying everyone earns minimum wage,
Your wages of high skill work force is still rather low
>consumer goods cost roughly the same as in the West
50-200%more with wage depreciation?
>>56469843
we have low salaries but everything here equals what you gain, so i guess it's the same thing, just lower life-quality
>>56472757
In that you are right, for lower class that is, rural areas mainly are very fucked, mainly Oaxaca Guerrero and Chiapas states are as poor as you can get.
>>56472829
>for lower class that is
Middle class is earning wages that of MCdonalds employees
Upper class are earning wages equivalent to retail
>>56472720
isn't your average wage like 700$ and with your fucked up gini ratio things don't look so good
$443 a week isn't bad
>>56472882
u're ma'ams not bade
>>56472882
>a week
I like your sense of humor, m8.
>>56472849
We return to the same, yes consumer brand products are pretty much the same, but food, houses trasport and that shit reduces we´re not first world but not africa, that´s all I´m saying
I make little money from renting 2 commie blocks. Working for 200$ a month is for losers. Never gonna do it, I will shoot my brains out before that.
If I was not a lazy insecure NEET bastard, I would be making money in the West right now, renting cheap and living like a cockroach in 1 apartment with 8 other slavs. But I love privacy and it's too much work.
I maybe need to try my luck in the next 5 years, because the stupid EU can be R.I.P soon.
>>56472939
>first world but not africa
But due to consumer prices and low wages it makes life very difficult
>>56473043
Of course it does, even a family with decent salary can´t just quit working and become a NEET or they will be homeless very fast.
>>56472934
no way that's a month, i spend more than that on clothes per month
>>56472948
>Working for 200$ a month is for losers. Never gonna do it, I will shoot my brains out before that.
I think the same. Working for 200$/month? Better scratch balls ant watch tv in the prison for free.
>I would be making money in the West right now, renting cheap and living like a cockroach in 1 apartment with 8 other slavs. But I love privacy and it's too much work.
Right, dude! Living aboard without own habitation = rental slavery = shitty life.
>>56472882
>a week
Girlfriends etc. You can't live on minimal wage but putting two minimal wages together you can make a living. Also many live with their parents, for poor families is quite common to have grandparents, cousins, everyone living in the same home.
>>56472635
>Mfw European pricing is is almost the same as Mexican, because the euro suddenly became next to worthless
Thank you Greece :3
My salary is $580 a month. It is only enough to pay bills for my commieblock, internet, mobile, etc. and buy food. I can't even afford train tickets, so I run away when see inspectors or conductors. Haven't bought new clothes for a year. My phone is 5 years old Nexus 4. I never spent vacation abroad (had business visits to Europe and USA though). I don't go to restaurants or anywhere else, cinema is the best go out I could afford. The only good thing is that I work in consulting and we have a $150 raise every 3 months, so in 3-4 years hope I could scramble out of poverty.
>>56469843
That's hard. I sit all day at home and shipost to compensate lack of communication, since I have no money to go anywhere and there;s actually nowhere to go.
>>56472635
Hm, your prices for food are like here.
I always wonder why food is so damn cheap here.
>>56472635
>>56472720
>>56472829
I always thought that you earn a good money and make a good living in the US.
I didn't know that I can afford much more with my salary here then with their salary their.
Fuck America you are too poor for me....
Kinda blows
>>56473307
That's a monthly salary, i earn not much more than that, around 530 USD net. And i personally know some people working for $200/month.
>i spend more than that on clothes per month
It must be nice to live in a rich and developed country being able to afford new clothes every month.
>>56472720
Dat cheap gas though suck it Mexico
>>56475531
>in 3-4 years hope I could scramble out of poverty
You're a funny guy, i see. Did you forget what country do you live in?
>>56469843
In my last job, I was earning £17k p.a. (about $24,000) a year. Fairly low salary in the UK, but it was almost unliveable here in London.
Once you go outside the USA, shit gets expensive, y'know.
>>56472156
>$110 p/m for rent
gib, $500p/m here
>>56476045
It's not rent, I own an apartment in a commieblock. That $110 is for water/electricity/gas/trash/general block maintenance.
If I were to rent it, I would pay around ~$350.
we survive
dont have cars
dont go on holidays
>everything is cheaper
not really, some things are, like tobacco and alcohol
fuel costs more than in usa
>>56469843
>What is it like to live in a poor country?
Want to do an off, but instinct of the self preserve is way stronger.
I plan to save up 1000-2000€ and go living in some cheap country for two months.
Where should I go?
>>56476338
You should try Gdańsk for sure.
>>56476338
You can vistit Berlin.
Feel like saving a few grand in the future and living like a king in Eastern Europe for a couple of years sleeping around
>>56476401
pls come to my town
>>56469843
I was in Haiti recently.
Worked there as policy analyst for the President straight out of university.
Holy fuck man, what fucking savages. I legitimately had a personal two man bodyguard team for my house because they were worried that I would be robbed.
Don't know how non-whites survive.
>>56476445
How would you fix haiti tbqh?
>>56476401
are you a boy?
you can live at my place :^)
>>56476470
You want a proper answer?
Genocide all the niggers and replace them. Not kidding.
The main issues preventing proper development are:
- Rule of Law (They don't want this, impossible to force them to enforce the law they don't care for)
- Terrible property law and conveyancing. (Recommended their reform to the Torrens System)
- Corruption is unbelievable, every dollar in tax translates to something like 0.15 cents in government spending after corruption and bureaucracy.
- AWFUL legal code, literally 200 years old and entirely confusing. (Recommended Napoleonic Law Code, importing French lawyers and judges to review and recommend on french law)
- All the natives speak Creole shitspeak and the Elites all speak french. (Recommended standardizing and replacing the language with French)
They should try experimenting with a specially administrated zone leased to a development corporation. But the place is such a shithole, it would require enormous foreign aid to do so.
>>56469843
>quality of life is proportionate to the exchange rate between a currency and a dollar
try not to be so american next fime family
earn 12k(me 7k + wife 5k) after tax a month
nanny: 2k
kindergarden for two kids: 2k
private education for two kids: 2k
house utility and management fee: 1k
car and commute fee : 1k
food and etc: 3k
nothing left
>>56476789
engrish teacher plese stop pretend
>>56469843
I could tell you a lot about Serbia as a Serb but I guess that its same shit in all world countries that are similar to us.
First of all you got better life quality for sure.
Cost of living in here is cheaper a lot, healthcare is free, education is almost free, food is healthier and cheap, there is a lot of coruption etc....so those stats cant be acurate trust me.
The thing is 99% of directors have their employers on minimum vage and its like 200$, the other part is given "under the desk" or in cash unregistered so they could avoid taxes and so on.
My 2 friends do programming and they have ~1200$
My 2 other firends are flight control trafficers and they got ~3000$
My gf is fitness trainer and she has ~600$, the funny thing is she is registered as unempoloyed, she gets her sallary directly in hands, NO TAXES for her boss. She takes some money for unemployed citizen given by state, so her incomes are ~700$/month, and her parents give her ~200$/month and that it.
I study/work/do some shits and play poker, my incomes are something like 500$/month in general, also I live/eat and sleep at parrents house or at my gf's house.
To be honest I do some ilegal shits and have some hits like 5k in month and than I drink/drugs and do nothing until I spend all.
One friend is laywer and he has ~800$/month.
5friends do some low paying jobs and its like 400$ month.
If you buy car in here, it wouldnt be automatic v8 petrol car, it would be some 1,5 litter diezel.
You wont buy every new Apple shit in preorder in Serbia and newest gadgets for fools.
You will eat less in restourants in here compared to west.
No expensive vacations, or not at all for some people.
No clothes/furniture/tech etc....buying when is not overused or used enough.
All other things are really the same trust me, stories like you would be GOD in here as American are crap, I got 20friends in EU/USA and they work all day and work hard for a litlle more benefits. I guess I helped.
You live with parents until you find someone to marry
you don't buy clothes pretty much at all unless you're a girl
you go out to party with 10$ in your pocket
you don't eat at restaurants, only home and occasional fast food
you very rarely go to vacation somewhere
you just shitpost on the internet
Best argument for independent floating currencies is it means local economic basket cases can actually balance prices and wages. We have a bunch of places in Australia where things suck a bit because no one has a comparable income to the Australian average but prices are the same as everywhere else.
>>56472788
that much more than I pay. I spend about $3 on a 2.4isn kg bag
>>56476873
wait but thats exactly what living in my meth county is like
Everything is bazillion times cheaper. We have exactly the same shit you do, it just costs much much cheaper. Not even to mention that most paychecks are received 'under the desk' in order to avoid some taxes
>>56469905
Here we get small wages but shit is as expensive
I mean,I live decently,cannot complain
>>56478033
Most things yes, but not everything. Surely imported things like computer parts etc. are expensive (maybe not quite as expensive as here for example but still), and you're more limited on who can afford to go on vacations abroad and the locations of those vacations.
>>56469843
I'm an Italian that moved to Bulgaria for work and I am objectively richer here than I was in Italy. The euro is poison for a southern european country's economy.
i dunno ask brazil lol
>>56478805
>i dunno
>portugal
lol okay okay sure thing
>>56478801
It's only poison if the country is shit at economics. Estonia has only been growing economically even after switching to euro.
>>56478967
>It's only poison if the country is shit at economics.
This. It has been poison for us but that's mostly because 90% of people are socialist gibs me dats retards
>>56469843
How do you afford a computer?
>>56478967
>It's only poison if the country is shit at economics.
Like yours mr. Sick Man of Europe?
>>56478758
>(maybe not quite as expensive as here for example but still),
In fact Tech stuff costs more here than in EU/USA. Most clothes too.
Only thing that is cheaper is food and bills. So if you only eat and pay bills you could live in theory like in USA.
>>56479085
Well my country is doing better than most countries in Europe when it comes to per capita, and our slightly declining economy has little to do with the euro.
>>56469843
Food is several times cheaper. Other expenses can be tens of times cheaper than in the US even with current crisis rouble.
>>56479154
>our slightly declining economy has little to do with the euro
It's more than slightly and it looks like your own MPs don't quite so agree.
You fuckers know next to nothing about living in a poor country.
>>56476937
This. On a larger scale this is the reason why we don't want euro. Although how large are income differences down there? Here they're around 40-50% higher in the capital than in a provincial townfor short-term per-hour jobs and up to 30% for regular jobs.
>>56476228
this, though fuel got much cheaper recently, was 1,5$/l, (5,7$/gallon) in 2014, now is 1,1$/l (4,20$/gallon) - gasoline around 3% cheaper than petrol.
Cigarettes - $4 per pack of 20 or 0.60$ per pack if you buy from black market.
>>56475772
rather RARE
>>56470386
gas - look ^^
apples - $0,60 per kg.
bread (400g) - $0,60
Electricity - $0,10 per kWh
a 31m2 flat in a good location in capital but low standard - $340/m but i split that with gf
