Now that Bernie is kill these are our choices.
God help us all
Anyone who would seriously vote for Hillary should off themselves.
I'm no fan of Trump either, but why would you vote for that lying snake?
I think they should be each others running mates. We get to decide whos on top
Fuck off ameriburgers. Rand and Jeb were the best candidates, but you just had to go and vote for a walking meme rather than sensiblr conservativrs
>>56439595
why is Bernie kill?
isn't him getting closer and closer?
he's the only option 2bh
>>56443713
Tumbling down
Tumbling down
Tumbling down
Tumbling down
>>56443713
isn't he*
also is there no reference about Bill getting sucked by that girl in the campaign?
>>56443713
Lazy fuck from Spain votes for the filthy commie. Que sorpresa!
What speaks against Hillary?
>>56439595
KASICH!!!!!
>>56443713
>he's the only option 2bh
Get out of my country, you filthy gommie
>tfw no Rand Paul
>>56443713
Wall Street, black people, feminists, rich liberal elites.
>>56439595
>>56443749
mfw
>>56443813
the fact that (a) she's a woman (b) she's feminist (c) she's a Clinton
>>56439595
it's going to be a fun election
>>56443813
>What speaks against Hillary?
She is Satan.
>>56439595
Between a cuckolder and a cuckold. I wonder which we should choose.
bernie is not kill
shillary is winning in red states
Please don't vote for Hillary. She is so awful, damn...
>>56443875
>tfw Hillary is getting all that muh feminims votes
>>56443749
>superdelegates
how does it work and what is it purpose?
>>56443778
>Bernie
>commie
he just want to bring europe to USA, and more important, the other options are Hillary and Trump
>>56443871
>>56444056
superdelegates are undemocratic nepotist fucks whose whims are not bolstered down until the 11th hour
>>56444023
Trump draws non-Republicans and many voters hate Hillary apparently so there's a chance it won't happen. Many of the Bernie voters were considering switching to Trump out of hatred for Hillary after he flopped.
>these are our choices.
Suicide is always an option
>>56444086
so exactly what I expected, I love how their election system has this bunch of legal tools to redirect the vote to whenever the elites want to win
>>56439595
I'm lovin' it
>faggots hating on based Trump
If I was American I would vote for Berns, he looks the only intellectual person among these idiots. And Murrica really needs socialism, such a developed country don't have free higher education and no free medicine, USA economy is overtaken by few giant corporations, Americans are brainwashed with hate towards USSR, communism and socialism.
>>56444124
>>56444164
Did you know that Spain's largest cities are Madrid and Barcelona?
You probably did. But here I am, telling you about your country. Surely I'm not going to do that
>>56443534
>Jeb
You like monarchy, right?
>>56444261
we do spend a lot on our military
a national army is inherently a socialist organization
As are roads
see? we have socialism :^)
>>56444261
He's a cuck
His former college roommate hates him
>>56444261
Couldn't agree more desu senpai
>>56444261
Commiebliad detected.
>>56444261
It's too late, he can't win now. From what I get he'd need to win everything from here on which won't happen.
>>56443713
Maybe he meant kill literally.
That dude is old as fuck, I'm beginning to wonder if he'll even be alive for the next 4 years.
>>56444329
Jeb was cute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O74XDI-o7xc
>>56444345
He looks like a stereotypical commie
>>56444281
no need to get mad buddy
>>56444399
he's 74 IIRC I guess that's a lot for an ameriburguer but he should be fine for 4 more years
They're friends behind the scenes. It wouldn't surprise me if the loser becomes the running mate of the other.
>>56444239
>Trump
>based
That guy would ruin USA if he would be elected, and the aftershocks of it's crash would fuck the shit up worldwide. He is even more dumb than Bush, if muricans would elect him they would prove themselfs improbable morons.
>>56444445
Read one of his former college paper articles
>>56439595
This won't end well
>>56444445
It's fuckin good, commies made Russia great.
>>56444164
>legal
This is just our parties deciding who they are going to have run for president, theres nothing about our actual system happening yet, the parties are just organizations and can structure themselves how ever they feel.
>>56444483
You're the dumb one if you believe Trump alone can ruin an already decadent country. Presidents aren't almighty in the US.
>>56444577
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSRCoAgpQ3g
>>56439595
kinda weird that the options seem to be between two extremes. Guess we will see if people of US will continue to be sheepies or not.
>>56444535
god damn
>>56444483
Fuck the world
America comes first
>>56444535
He is actually right, inequality between man and woman is shit that produces neuroses and idiotic traditions. Here in Russia we are absolutely equal, man and women treat each other equally without much conservative idiot and feminazis.
>>56444645
How is Clinton extreme? She has no policy
>>56439595
Go Trump
>>56444535
based as fuck
>>56444707
people keep calling her a war monger but I'm not sure why
I thought she was maintain the status-quo.
>>56444706
>Here in Russia we are absolutely equal, man and women treat each other equally
>>56444577
idiot
>>56444827
the status-quo is military-industrial-academic-pharmaceutical warmongery
>>56444885
I kind of doubt anyone would successfully change that if they wanted.
>>56444611
>decadent
USA was decadent in 00s, not now. Obama fixed a lot of Bush idiocy. USA have an economy growth, decreasing crime rates, powerful civil rights movement, racial tensions and oppression diminishes, ghettos became more a meme than actual problems.
>>56444831
statistically arranged marriages are happier
>>56444944
you're an idiot
racial tensions sky rocketed under Obama, the media never shuts up about it now. When he got elected he claimed America had changed because they elected his black ass, but when his performance was underwhelming he jumped on the racism band wagon.
His Obama Care was also a failure and increased costs for more people and left many stuck in a gap without affordable health care but were not poor enough to get it for free.
Their country is more divided than ever, that's part of why Trump is doing so well. Obama was more of the same garbage and their people are desperate.
>>56444577
Your iq below average?
>>56444831
>my anime reaction image is right and you cannot dispute me
>>56445144
>my question begging epithet validates me
:3
>>56444972
Probably only because their relationship can go up really, when people marry out of love they're distraught when one day they wake up and realise they aren't as 'in love' as they were 10 years ago on their first date or something.
But in an arranged marriage you're probably either appreciative of each other or just couldn't give a toss either way.
Hillary will be the best US president
>>56443341
>but why would you vote for that lying snake?
COZ SHE'S A WOMAN!
>>56444706
lel
Anyways, why do people hate Hillary?
I've seen some american debates and she is, by far, the most intelligent, educated and serious candidate. She also has done all the maths about her proposals in economy and all her work is basically done.
Trump, Sanders, just yell at a cloud. Blame someone for the problems of America and you got the votes.
Like, seriously, I don't get what's wrong with her.
>>56443341
>why would you vote for that lying snake?
But they are both lying snakes.
>>56445571
>Like, seriously, I don't get what's wrong with her.
She's a [spoiler]cuck[/spoiler].
>>56444345
Not that I support him, but calling a politician and presidential candidate a bum is laughable. Who cares when he accomplished it, point is he probably accomplished more then his jelly fag ex roommate.
>>56445571
We don't like her personality. She's your cold bitch mother-in-law. Trump is like your dumb, rich buddy you can make racist jokes with. Nobody votes on policy or qualifications, that's just silly.
>>56443749
What is a super delegate?
How long would it take for the human species to go extinct if Trump was elected?
>>56443341
You're a knuckle-dragging chimp.
>>56445571
I wouldn't vote for Trump over Hillary, but she's got mucho credibility problems.
She has no position she doesn't triangulate, she's neck deep in corporate/political kickbacks, her Clinton Foundation is essentially a slush fund, and she endangered US NatSec with her private server while serving as SecState. Anybody who wasn't Hillary would be behind bars, but she'll go on to be the next president (most likely).
She's not Trump bad, but she's pretty bad.
>>56445948
American "votings" are just theater. You already know who is going to be the candidate just looking at supercandidates.
>>56445948
It's a delegate that isn't bound by how a state voted. They can choose to support whoever they want, whereas pledged delegates are distributed proportionally based on the popular vote. Superdelegates don't matter at all unless the pledged delegate count is really close.
>>56439595
Trump is based and will make America great again, establishment shill
>>56445637
>trump
>liar
Pick one
>>56444056
>how does it work and what is it purpose?
To prevent popular opinion from having too much effect on the Dem party. i.e. if The Bern were to win more delegates, they could use the supers to give Hillary the nomination.
>>56446038
Learn to speak English or shut up.
>>56446038
Sometimes they switch their support in the final hour but Berns isn't doing well enough for this to happen this time.
>>56443851
I want to hug his daughters
>>56446122
But that's not even true. Sanders is losing the popular vote and the pledged delegate count by a 60/40 margin. It's not even close.
What I like about Trump is that he's going to leave the middle east alone
>>56446190
If by leave it alone you mean kill all of you, then yes. He literally said he would kill anyone who ever associated with a terrorist including their wives, kids, other family, acquaintances, etc.
>>56446190
He has no foreign policy experience whatsoever so he might just say, "fuck it, send the nukes."
>>56446190
Trump supported both the invasion of Iraq, as well as the NATO-led bombing of Libya. He only remarked how negative they were post-facto.
He'll do whatever is popular at any given time. I wouldn't put it past him to invade KSA just for kicks.
vote green party tbqh
>>56446176
>if he were to win
>>56446252
Which would result in the first military coup and successful impeachment in US history.
>>56444261
>If I were an American I would vote
Shame you are Russian and can't even meaningfully vote in your own elections.
>Trump is a glorified China cock gobbler
I would not be surprised if America will bow down to china because of him. i feel sad for you ameribros.
>>56446286
But 2008 proves you wrong.
>>56446248
>>56446252
>>56446259
Wow guys, thanks for shattering the only good image of trump I had in my mind
anyone else not from america but rooting for trump in order to see the world burn?
it will be glorious
>>56446333
>Neoliberal v Neoliberal
Nope. Obama was a confirmed oligarch servant.
>>56446350
He hasn't ever said anything to support the idea he'd leave the Middle East alone. No fucking idea why you believe otherwise.
>>56445890
And that really boils down to "she's a woman". Let's be honest about it.
>>56446350
No matter who you vote for this election, everybody loses.
>>56446378
That's not the point Genghis. Clinton won the 2008 primary popular vote but superdelegates still jumped ship from her to support Obama.
>>56439595
Trump would trash the economy.
I don't like Hillary, but I think the outcome would be less catastrophic than with any of the other alternatives.
>>56446350
Trump might stop the wars, but Hillary is likely to intensify them. Trup seems far saner and less bloodthirsty than HIllary.
Obama is already murdering people's families. Why do you think weddings and funerals are such popular targets?
>>56446380
Because a fundamental component of Trump's base, the politically disaffected, are themselves geopolitical isolationists.
Their glee over Trump's nativism leads them to project their own fringe beliefs onto him, when at heart, he's just another New York Liberal with a couple of crazy ideas that will never be implemented.
>>56444535
Say whatever you want, this article wasnt written by a stupid person.
>>56446289
For sure. Can't wait to see what kind of schemes congress and the military will come up with to oust Trump if elected.
>>56446363
it'll burn regardless of who gets chosen. In one case the media will just pretend the smoke and flames are good for you.
>>56446453
Except it's been quite a while since that happened. There are orders of magnitude more suicide bombings on weddings and funerals. Dune coons kill each other at a rate hundreds if times higher than the US military kills them.
>>56443341
>2016
>Being sexist
IT'S 2 0 1 6 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>56446406
Maybe? I can think of a few female statesmen I'd vote for.
I voted for Trump yesterday.
We're going to make America great again, whether you like it or not.
>>56446111
>Trump is based and will make America great again, establishment shill
Good job being a parrot.
>>56446422
Because it both served the exact same interests. How is this complicated?
>>56446437
HIllary supports policies that have bought the crash of 2007 and 30 years of diminishing wages.
Trump might pick another way:
http://www.ianwelsh.net/trumponomics-how-the-trump-economic-plan-will-wor/
>>56446577
Why are you pretending to understand American politics when you've said multiple things that are objectively wrong?
why is hillary has so many fucking secrets holy shit sketchy as fuck. she literally acts and thinks like a 3rd world no name corrupt politician. she would be a best fit here
>>56446577
Economists rated Trump and Sanders' economic plans as by far the worst.
>>56439595
What if the feds rig the election and Hillary wins?
It seems really fucking probable
>>56446662
Fuck off you nigger conspiritard.
>>56446611
Because he habitually presents himselfs as a cynical world wide political expert with his Fin friends, using buzz words such as oligarchs and system and he forgot that there are actual americans posting here.
>>56445092
Canadabro is right. This shit has gotten out of control.
>>56446653
are these """""economists"""" billionaires too?
I rest my case my honor, amen.
>>56444972
What do arranged marriages have to do with marriage in Russia?
>>56446653
>Economists
People paid by the rich to impovverish you? Has listening to the economists actually made America richer?
Wages have gone down, death rates for whites have rocketed, middle class can't afford kids, healthcare costs are the most common reason for bankruptcy, the financial system keeps blowing up, pensions are a scam, industry and technology are moving to rival nations, public health is a disaster...
These people are your enemies. Their dishonesty is clear, if you take a look:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/02/james-galbraith-describes-major-forecast-failure-in-model-used-by-romers-to-attack-friedman-on-sanders-plan.html
>>56445302
I'd asse the type of people who enter one are.more concerned with tradition and religion and thus are less likely to seperate or externally express their misgivings.
>>56446816
Tbh their trade plans alone are donkey shit.
The cuck candidate got cucked how is this a surprise for bernouts
>>56446905
yess comerades, these pesky economics are your enemies!!
just eat le rich and everything will be fine!!!
>>56445571
Most of what she says are just well tailored lies. She talks about rapes on campus using numbers that the people who ran the study said we're false because they only tested willing participants at two universities and their was a grey area with things like regret and sexual harassment being included. Her wage gap is a myth CBS blew the fuck out of in an article in the early 2000's . She says things regarding people killed by firearms in a month when no data yet existed for said month and fails to mention 2/3s are suicides. She said most of her donations came from students and teachers when in fact most are from Wall Street and big business. She's less controversial than Trump and doesn't insult the media so most of them seem to ignore it. Meanwhile pundits make up shit that Obama said like Dean Obeidallah (or however it's spelled) saying publicly that Trump wants all Muslims here to wear badges identifying them as Muslims.
>>56447052
>statist
I fucking hate this meme
Americans' resistance to their own government is really perplexing
>>56447052
>Trump is right.
>Trump also wants full universal health care. That will free up a lot of money.
>Trump wants to tax the financial industry, that will give him a lot of money.
>As for his nativist policies, well deporting millions of people while at the same time not allowing the industries which hired them to leave the country will result in increased wages and employment for the working class. Immigration is a great thing, and a net economic positive, when you are running full employment and protectionist policies. If you refuse to have full employment due to deliberate government policy, well, then immigration’s so great not for the natives.
>>56444535
holy shit, how is that cucking?
>>56447206
>>Trump also wants full universal health care
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
>Wanted to do what I do every year since the 90s and sit this election out
>Actually feel compelled to vote against Trump
Never in my +30 years of life did I think my first vote for president would be Hillary
No one actually knows what Trump wants. He changes his mind more frequently than Shillary.
>>56447550
$5 USD deposited in your banking account, thanks for shilling ;^)
>>56444345
that doesn't look biased at all
>>56447550
You're fine lad, he won't win. Hillary's got a comfortable win ahead
>bipartidism
absolutely disgusting
>>56447277
Oh boy. Someone should tell his voters they are spreading bullshit about him!
>>56446350
then keep this good image of trump on your hard drive
In all honesty though, when he had a business that wasn't doing so well, he stopped them before they could cost too much more than they made.
>>56447181
Honestly, that sounds like run of the mill politician lies. Still don't see a lot of arguments why you should pick Trump over Clinton. The only thing I've heard that really speaks in favour of Trump is that he financed his own campaign.
>>56447741
does he stop the US if it doesnt make money?
>>56444535
based
Meh, even if trump is elected he will probably support kosovo independence
As a veteran redditor with over 2000 upvotes I think I speak for us all when I say we cant let Trump win! ITS HER TURN
>Bern victims today
The fucking tears are great.
>>56443936
I can't believe anyone even takes her remotely seriously, she's literally under investigation by Senate and tells people to vote for her based on race and gender. Her campaign is like a Monty Python sketch.
>>56444098
Which would stand to reason given he's a Democrat who's anti-immigration.
>>56444482
That would never happen. The Bilderburg group can't be that transparent.
>>56445571
>She also has done all the maths about her proposals in economy and all her work is basically done.
>A Spaniard talking about economics
>>56446286
>that one girl who's actually correct surrounded by such stupidity
:'(
>>56447550
Please be bait.
>>56447550
>>56439595
>>56448069
What I ment was that he has a track record of stopping stupid investments before they cause too much damage.
Remember trump magazine, He stopped that because due to the internet, no one reads those.
We need someone to stop the pointless war on drugs that does practically nothing and costs money that can be used on fixing that bridge in Pittsburgh that they built underneath to catch rubble.
>>56447550
I'm actually thinking about doing the same thing except voting against Hillary
People who act like Trump is going to cause some sort of international turmoil have got to be the biggest fucking idiots on the face of the planet. He is focused nearly all on internal problems, and there are these new things called checks and balances that keep the president from doing whatever the fuck he wants.
Trump doesn't even like war.
Why are people shilling for Bernie here? /pol/ is the other way.
It's time
Disgusting options, literal jew establishment snake vs. full of himself billionaire with the mindset and problem solving skills of a 9 year old.
Surely Bernie will realise HECS would be more suitable.
trump was the best choice anyway
>>56444345
Nice substantive arguement, Trumplet. It could use a little more "cuck" and a dash of "loser"
>>56445313
>>56445571
http://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI
>>56450165
>people are not allowed to change opinions and views over time
Look up Reagan sometime.
I see good things coming from either side. If they somehow fail to be at least decent, there's always impeachment. Calm your tits.
>>56444399
Most presidents are pretty old dude
74's not that bad, Reagan was 69 when he went in office and 77 when he came out
So americn democracy is when bunch of "super duper" people elect "their" candidate?
I think I'm gonna vote for Hillary desu. My best friend is here illegally and I don't want him to get deported.
>>56454648
>I want to doom my country because of my own personal gains
>>56453717
I think the problem isn't the change in her ideals, it's that she won't even admit that the change has occurred.
>>56446168
you should want tohit them with a frying pan to fix their faces.
>>56443767
It's the government's way of actually making sure people's votes don't matter.
I'm not even joking.
>>56446326
Trump fucking hates China though. He's always bashing them.
>>56439595
Better Hillary than Bernie. That old idiot would ruin America as fast as Trump.
>tfw no libertarian President in the USA
>no one to stop the American war marchine
>america will never be great again
Just fucking nuke us all already Americans.
The US is becoming a failed state, there is too much division, too much sensationalism, too much political-correctness, too much degeneracy. I almost wish for Trump to win so the whole thing would crumble down and America can start on a clean slate, but that is a naive pipe dream in this day and age. It has to be Shillary, because the US would never recover from Trump's presidency.
>>56439595
Bernie has lost but he hasn't acknowledged it yet, honestly nobody pays attention anyway its not like anything is going to change
>>56443713
No ever since Vermont he has progressively been looking at a larger and larger gap between him and Clinton. Super Tuesday was almost the nail in the coffin for him, yesterday makes it literally impossible for the Super Delegates to consider switching which disallows the possibility of a win.
All the Democrats were cancer this cycle regardless and would literally be useless all 8 years because Congress is Republican and the longer Democrat presidents don't achieve anything the further the country goes Republican, the only thing Bernie has over Hillary is that he would probably not use executive orders to whine about the situation.
>>56455512
Neither would be able to do anything and would just make an actual monster arise next cycle
You though Trump was disgusting? Imagine him but worse. That is what we would get.
Hillary is also worse because she is an actual bad person and would use executive orders on a greater scale than Obama, and aggressively.
>>56455665
Trump wouldn't tear the country down you mega-retard, at the absolute worst he would be an American Berlusconi or get impeached. The president is pretty fucking weak in reality compared to how most people perceive, their most useful power is their veto.
>>56455803
Your insurance premiums have sky rocketed along the Obama administration. Did the Washington caliph fix the economy or is it even worse than it was?
>>56455885
Obama passed the awful attempt at healthcare that was Obamacare and then sat on his thumbs for 6 years after he lost the majorities, occasionally issuing executive orders that were really just whining about race and guns.
He did practically nothing, not the worst president but extremely mediocre.
>>56456096
I've always thought that the best US president in the 20th century was Eisenhower. He did some fuck ups but he also did lots of good things.
Does Obamacare even provide the necessities for the poor?
>>56456202
Eisenhower was easily one of the best
Obamacare is just really shitty in general, its not healthcare as you know it because its not """free""" to begin with.
I am not aware of the actual pricing beyond the fact that its too much for those that need it, as I haven't checked it because of the one useful thing Obamacare did, which is allowing children to stay on their parent's plans till 26.
>>56456399
I wouldn't talk about free healthcare, universal is much better. In Finland we sorta have free healthcare which I don't use because I hate to wait for 4 hours in queue. Also the quality is extremely questionable. Private healthare sector is currently booming in Finland and people are taking serious amount of health insurances. Just to give some perspective.
>>56456520
yeah thats a big problem with legislating universal healthcare here is that most people don't like and cannot afford the idea of having to pay some tax to get """free""" healthcare that they have to wait days for, and in practice due to being a healthy functioning individual they don't need it and the tax needed to pay for it just ends up supporting some guy 2000 miles (around 3200km) away who is suffering his 4th heart attack this year from being an obese fuck.
>>56446111
how about i pick both. he doesn't even know what he believes, he just says the edgiest thing available at the time in order to get the most news attention possible
>>56443749
i know i know i've let you down
i've been a fool to myself
i thought that i could live for no one else
but now through all the hurt and pain
it's time for me to respect
the ones you love
mean more than anything
>>56443713
>he's the only option 2bh
>"White people don't know what it's like to be poor" - t. Bernie Sanders
>>56455701
>the only thing Bernie has over Hillary is that he would probably not use executive orders to whine about the situation
Bernie said in his speech last night that he would use executive orders. Which people cheered for, for some reason.
>>56457017
ok nvm they are both complete and utter ass then
>>56457035
That's life bwana
>>56450089
Nice question begging epithet, berniefag
>>56444086
Delegates are state representatives of the Party. The candidates are trying to win enough primary votes for that states party deligates to nominate them as the parties candidate in the election.
Please restrict yourself to posting about things you actually know about.
>>56457058
nah there are still some good candidates like Kasich and Cruz left.
>>56439595
>racist old man vs empowered 4th wave proud feminist
wew that sure is hard to predict
Only based Cruz can save the US from degeneracy and liberal stupidity, as Allende did in Chile. God bless Rafael Edward Cruz
What would honestly happen if he enacts his trade policies, raising tarrifs and stuff? Won't china/japan be butthurt about that? What would happen with all that? Like a trade war or something?
>>56457110
most of America is still racist Temujin, SJWs and feminists don't nearly have control over the country but by God they are trying.
>>56443534
Rand was good, jeb was shit.
Trump has potential if he distances himself more from the republican party.
>>56439595
>>56456808
Yeah well, in Finland most of the well off white folks have no idea where the nearest health station(?) is. Most just go to the big pharma companies that launder taxes like I do.
>>56457215
No Trump distancing himself from the Republicans at this point is suicidal, he cannot alienate the Neocons as they would be willing to vote for Hillary if party unity is already out the window.
>>56447712
Its better to have no goverment like here I guess. Not even kidding.
>>56457180
It's a toss up since to China, the US is a major buying power and it would be terrible for them to lose us.
Either China gives in, or shit starts getting made here again and is much more expensive.
>>56447197
Maybe because your goverment isn't a gigantic, world encompassing monster that is directly responsible for the spread of neoliberalism and thus the world wide dismantelation of the middle class
>>56446350
Don't believe them, they are bernie cucks.
Trump is the only hope of the world for something good. Hillary will be obama no2.
>mfw Trump doesn't get the nomination because of the convention
>>56447197
Because unlike you we have a semblance of a desire to not be slaves to our government
>>56457534
You are slaves to the government no matter what. I'm not saying it's right but majority of the voters just want a large public sector.
When will a based general make a coup in the US?
Daily reminder that democracy has to be bath with blood from time to time.
>>56457606
Yeah but we have a desire to not be, at least we try to put up a fight in our voting
>>56457640
Military dictatorships suck and you are completely misunderstanding that quote. The original quote implied that a government would eventually grow corrupt and too tyrannical no matter what, so in order to maintain liberty there had to be revolutions against the old to maintain the liberty in a new one.
When I say liberty I don't mean social liberalism/justice, that just goes against the entire point of liberalism by elevating the ones below above the ones above legally, which is unfair.
>>56457294
Trump has been a democrat for like 20 years in his life, he's not a republican, he's just using them. He is mostly against war, he even disagreed with NATO's intervention in Serbia (bernie voted yes). He's a successful businessman (turned a <200$ million company into a 5 billion company, few can boast about that), and he is not a career politician.
His older videos are also pretty great, check some of his stuff from the early 90s and late 80s, he was way more articulate back then.
He'll probably lose but unlike hillary there is a small chance that president Trump will do some good. Hillary will be a disaster.
>>56457784
Welfare state is a wonderful idea that is ruined by politicians. Basically I loath democracy because of the politicians. If you are a reasonable human being you'd never, ever take up the mantle to vote for the matters of your state. Human lives are at the stake when big men in their nice suits argue about the next years budget. I could never take such a responsibility without killing myself to all the stress. Why the hell could ever want power?
>>56443341
I feel you, but for a left leaner who doesn't completely hate muzzies, it's the lesser of 2 evils
>>56439595
If this is the final match-up, Hilary doesn't have a chance
>>56457815
I am aware of Trump's past but what you fail to understand is that the ideologies of parties isn't really clean cut, Trump was alway a populist like this bar some social stances like guns and abortion that he switched on. Regardless he cannot switch now or during the presidency or the Republicans would just say fuck it and agree to impeach him with the democrats.
>>56457863
Corrupt dickheads, idealists, and a few good men make up politicians.
>>56457973
You overestimate the amount of good people in politics. I believe that in jail are more innocent men than in the parliament.
>>56444056
>bring europe to the USA
Fuck that, I want to flee this statist socialist neoliberal cuckery for a place where individualism actually matters. Don't take away my options by makinh the world a political monolith!
TRUMP 2016!
>>56458022
note I said a few
a few can literally imply ~2-3 guys or just a small percentage
Hillary is fucked by demographics; she doesn't appeal to Millenials like Bernie and Trump and Millenials are now the most important demo in the country.
>>56458266
She appeals to women and to minorities, that's enough. Not enough people will be swayed by Trump's message, and many even within the own party refuse to vote for him.
>>56458474
>Not enough people
You really don't understand America do you
the people Trump appeals to could probably win him the election with no independents. There are people that go "OH I'LL VOTE FOR THE OTHER PARTY THIS CANDIDATE SUCKS" every election, the vast majority of the party will still vote for him.
>>56458474
Hillary and Bernie are not trying to "convert" Republican voters because that's impossible. The thing is that Bernie/Hillary must convince the Democratic party voters to stop being inactive and go vote in the first place. Obama promised change and look how it turned out.
Meanwhile Trump has the a voting base ready. His voters are angry and Trump has given them a face. He is a very good "fuck you" to US politics because he's a dick. Then there are those who actually believe what he's saying. Republican candidates are the clowns Republican voters want.
Meanwhile what's the Democratic agenda? Hillary "at least you know me already" versus the ancient Bernie with politics straight from Tumblr?
>>56458474
>She appeals to women
Not any women under the age of 50 anyway.
>and to minorities, that's enough
Trump's already got them locked down.
>Not enough people will be swayed by Trump's message
Except a very large amount of people of all walks of life are being swayed by him.
>>56459144
I read that something like 63% of americans see trump as dishonest, the same figure for hillary is ~50%. Not a huge difference, but it's there. I think that at the end of the day, most americans will not want to see trump as president, they just want the establishment in washington dc to see their anger and do something. I can't see him winning a general election, ever.
>>56459325
I really don't think you understand the most of America is racist hicks, not nu males sipping coco in the city.
>>56459325
trump is dishonest. but this is turning into a game of which shit smells nicer.
Rush Limbaugh actually explained it very well on his show today. You have inherited old money families like the Rockefellers and they don't like new money upstarts in their little club and in the same vein, you have old political families like the Bushes who don't like outsiders challenging them. The Dem and Rep establishments are one and the same and for whatever reason, they've decided that it's the Democrats' turn to occupy the White House for X number of years. Donald Trump threw their whole equation out of whack and they're throwing a temper tantrum over it.
>>56459399
Not enough since the demographic shift.
Really, I see this trump movement as one of the death throes of white people in america. They feel their special privilege is getting threatened since obama was elected and this is an instinctual response, turning to a populist demagogue who says all the things they want to hear.
In just a few decades, white people will be minority in america, and there will be absolutely no way a trump can elected. Lots of Cruzes tho probably
>>56459587
Sweden yes.
>>56459587
>Sweden Yes applying his country's values to America and using his distorted perception of America
white people won't be the minority till 2070, also this isn't a response to Obama being black this is a response to America fucking sucking for the average working class man. That is where Trump gets all his support. He will easily win if he gets the primary 2bh.
>>56444261
this desu
i hate that he's such a sjw cuck and i have concerns that he is a limp-wristed faggot when it comes to foreign policy, but the country needs serious reforms to it's social infrastructure, namely government-provided education and healthcare
>>56455010
you just summed up the US pretty well mr. indonesia
>>56459774
Nah, that by itself can't explain why Trump's demagoguery has met such startling and crushing success. The lizard part of the white american's brain is scared, feeling insecure in this new world where apparently blacks can be president, and hispanics are on the rise.
I will be here drinking your tears when he loses the election to Hillary. I'll be enjoying /pol/ as well. The sweet, sweet butthurt. I can't wait.
>>56439595
I honestly think Clinton is the best candidate by a long shot.
>mfw Bernvictim butthurt today
>>56460153
Yeah she's alright I guess. Just too centerist like her husband.
>>56443713
there was another large group of primaries yesterday where he lost miserably and basically confirmed that he has no chance at the democratic nomination. I mean there IS a chance still but its so low that his best bet is for Hillary to be arrested for the multiple felonies she committed during the whole email business than for him to be voted in.
>>56444535
I didn't know he was that fucking based
>>56457176
>Hoping a dominionist wins
kill yourself my man
>>56460095
I'm not a Trump supporter I'm just not a retarded European who doesn't understand American politics
A Democrat victory overall is very unlikely.
>>56460153
>>56460264
All possibility of rational discussion ended here.
Personally I like trump
>>56459144
Mate go on facebook and have a look. Do you really think young, empathetic, naive women will vote for trump?
He's been branded as a hate machine and all the college kids who've suddenly become political were all Bernie supporters to vanquish their debt.
They'll be jumping to Hillary simply because she's not Trump
>>56460311
Cruz is Pinochet's spiritual succesor. He will defeat your liberal nonesense,annex your none nation, as is his by right and stablish the US to its former glory.
>>56457216
that's not very funny at all
>>56444056
>he just wants to bring Europe to the USA
I dont want that. Nobody but the poorest of the poor and minorities want that. I dont dislike any European countries and can respect all of their political systems but trying to apply them to the US would more than likely end disastrously
>>56460337
It's more likely than a Trump president.
>>56444535
Hes right though, and the fact that he wrote this 40 fucking years ago makes it even better
>>56460405
I thought it was pretty funny.
>>56460433
This
Socialism works wonderfully in homogeneous societies, not diverse ones.
It worked best in the Nordics before Sweden went full yes and now its collapsing due to diversity - aka division in society.
>>56460440
That would be clever if it didn't contradict my previous statement, its impossible for a Trump victory to be less likely than a Democrat victory if he is almost assured to win the Republican primary and the Republican is the only other serious party than the Democrats.
>>56460543
You thought wrong.
If this election happened during the cold war, it would be used as propaganda for why democracy is a failure
>>56449535
i don't care if this is bait, 8 makes me fucking furious
it's like you are proud of being uneducated
xD oh wait this conscious ignorance is the exact attitude that is driving the country into the ground
>>56460679
why is that? This is democracy in action you faggot
>>56460668
I disagree.
>>56460737
Two absolute shit candidates
>>56447712
> democracy
absolutely disgusting
>>56460679
What is happening now is not a failure of democracy.
This however is a failure of democracy
