How are each of the seven Soviet leaders viewed in today's Russia?
>>56135047
>Gorbachev
dis gun be gud
>>56135047
>Lenin
A manlet with a funny accent
>Stalin
Commies: DINDU NUFFIN!!!
Sane people: Bloody tyrant
>Khrushev
Country bumpkin
>Brezhnev
The eyebrows. Also, stagnation. Some older folks are nostalgic about these times, though.
>Andropov and Chernenko
Died too quickly
>Gorbachev
An idiot and a traitor, did more harm than a lost WW3 would have done
>>56137096
I thought commies would really not like Stalin because he purged all the real communists to institute his neo-Russian Empire ideology.
>>56137183
Nah, Lenin just a bleak compared to Stalin in the eyes of commies. Nobody gives a damn about Lenin and his gibberish world revolution. Commies want strong leader
>>56135047
good, good, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad
>>56137183
99% of commies in Russia are Orthodox imperial stalinists. I know it sounds insane, but that's what it is. Many of them actually approve of the repressions because they think that Stalin purged all the Jews who wanted to turn Russian people into the fuel for the fire of world revolution. So they are pretty antisemitic as well.
The 1 remaining percent are leftist hipsters who read Gramsci and whatever, but they are completely negligible.
Why is russia still communist after a 100 years?
>>56137469
Said the socialist
>>56137329
wow stalin had good taste, i wear the same stuff he does.
>>56137388
A friendly reminder that the second "good" leader would make you rot in a slave labor camp just for talking with foreigners.
>>56137096
>Khrushev
>Country bumpkin
He did get you into space so that was worth something. Kind of went a little nuts with trying to shut down churches though.
>>56137096
>tfw there is a communist group at my uni who unironically act as apologists for mao, stalin, kim il-sung, and kim jong-il
Communism itself is evil.
Commies are criminals.
Nothing to discuss here.
>>56137521
social democracy is pretty neat though, it's like communism without the retardation
stalin was an agent of the russian royal family.
gorbachov didnt crash the soviet union, like people think, it was a pseudo collaps. the same people remained in power after the "collaps" those people couldnt resist the offering the "others" made..
>>56137469
Russia is a crony capitalist state with nationalistic rhetoric used to woo the population. I don't see anything communist about it.
>>56137613
>stalin was an agent of the russian royal family
That is the most retarded thing I have heard today
>>56137183
Depends. Trotskysts really dislike them, while the others either have a positive or a neutral opinion on him.
>>56137692
you reflect yourself
>>56137737
How do Russians in general feel about Trotsky?
>>56137558
Nah, it were the scientists who were building the spaceships, not the party leadership.
>>56137536
"Russia has many women and they will give birth to enough new ones" - G.K. Zhukov
Totally agree with this quote
You can exterminate the shit out of Russians in 20 century, but they will born more as roaches
>>56137560
First world kids are having their fun, nothing special.
>>56137574
Communism is not necessarily evil by itself, but it is based on totally false propositions about human nature.
>>56137774
A kike who would probably have been even worse than Stalin.
>>56137774
Trotsky is an obscure person for russians since soviet history was silent about him so I dont think there is a certain general opinion on him among russians.
Although, there is a smth like a saying in russian - to lie like Trotsky.
>>56137932
>human nature
>>56138004
"To bullshit like Trotsky" would be a more precise translation.
Based Gorby
I would prefer to live in Soviet Union than fucked up Russian Empire people of which lived forty or less years. And all social quaranties in USSR is much more pleasant to my ear than "french bread"
>>56138100
The "fucked up Russian Empire" was not especially worse than most developed states of that time, and definitely better than any non-Western state back then.
>>56138100
Also, nobody here understands your clumsy translation of the "хpycт фpaнцyзcкoй бyлки" meme, you dumbass.
>>56138252
I am not communicate with native english speakers, cause I live in homeland, so i dont have to learn all fucking english words or use google translate to communicate with dumbsters like you, bourgeois scum.
Go praise Egor Prosvirnin, a true national saviour of Russian people
>>56138549
This is the cultural exchange I come to /int/ for.
>>56135047
was communist racist ?
from africa, middle east, south east asia, latin america, to russia seems any color could be a communist
>>56139226
Tell me about swedish commeis. Exactly commeis, not socialist pro muslim cucks.
>>56139587
lol N/A
>>56139587
Few and generally considered insane, spend most of their time fighting nazis and/or the police in the streets.
>>56139587
We have mostly Trotskyists. Second largest group are the Stalinists, but they have also been heavily influenced by the neo-left.
>>56139331
It was not racist compared to capitalist countries then, but by modern standards it definitely was, given its paternalist attitude towards "black" and "yellow" races. The whites were still supposed to be the "older brother".
>>56139756
>>56139693
How are these parties or groups called?
>>56135047
>Lenin
Slightly better than the devil
>Stalin
The devil (he was cool in WWII though)
>Khrushchev
Muh shoe
>Brezhnev
Reagan said he was evil
>Andropov & Chernenko
Literally who?
>Gorbachav
Tear down this wall! God bless Reagan
>>56139920
There's Kommunistiska Partiet and Rättvisepartiet Socialisterna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Justice_Party), then probably a couple of loose extreme groups that mostly turn up when there's some kind of fight.
were NEETS allowed to exist in the soviet union ?
>>56139920
As far as youth parties go
RKU - Stalinists & Trotskyists, some Maoists.
Rättvisepartiet - Trotskyists.
In almost every scenario they are referred to as extremists.
>>56140159
Only if they were in the party
>>56137692
>>56137613
Trotsky seemed to think he was. As evidence, he noted that Stalin seemed to escape from prison during his early pre-WWI career with disturbing ease.
>>56140159
No. Being a NEET was literally outlaw.
>>56137799
Maybe so but Gagarin would not have happened without Khrushchev's strong backing of the space race; one reason why the Soviet manned lunar program failed was lack of support from the Kremlin since Brezhnev was not that interested in his disgraced predecessor's pet project.
Am I the only Market Socialist left outside of the Balkans?
Honestly State Capitalism is shit. Lenin was well intended and wrote some interesting theory though
>>56140477
The Bolsheviks at least got something right
>>56140159
In the later Brezhnev stagnation era, there were a lot of them. Prior to the 1980 Olympics, the police went through the streets of Moscow cleaning out homeless people and other sorts who would have been an embarrassment to the large number of visiting foreigners.
A bit later on when Andropov tried to tighten up workplace discipline, police were sent to round up NEETs lounging in movie theaters, saunas, and parks.
>>56137096
>talking shit about Gorby
>not subhuman mongol Lenin
>>56140159
No. You were entitled to a job, always. Of course, this forced the state to maintain a lot of inefficient workplaces. Repeatedly declinining jobs offered to you was a petty crime.
Besides, the working mobility was very limited. Generally, you were supposed to stay working in the same place where you started your career after high school/college/university. There were people who changed jobs, but if a person did so on his own accord it was usually frowned upon, though not punished.
>>56140680
Lenin was an asshole, but at least he was not an idiot. Seizing power over a huge empire is an impressive achievement.
>>56140691
>You were entitled to a job, always
nice
>>56140579
Hell no. The planned economy was one of the stupidest parts of the Soviet system.
>>56140658
I guess technically they weren't NEETs since unemployment in the Soviet Union did not exist. More like bums who didn't bother showing up to work.
>>56140893
Are you a professor of economics to state that?
>>56140784
He was a scumbag. If there's hell, I do hope he rot in there.
>>56138036
>Before Stirner
"Anon, why don't you go to church? it's human nature to believe in god. I pray every night
>After Stirner
"Anon why don't you spook? it's spook to spook in spook. I spook ever night
>>56140857
Also, the salary of an engineer was lower than the wages of a manual worker because muh dictatorship of the proletariat. And I'm not talking about the 1930s or something, it was so in the 1970s and 1980s.
>>56140893
But making being a NEET illegal is a good thing.
Apparently something like 85% of Russians think Gorbachev was a CIA agent since he lives in London and gets all kinds of medals and awards and is hailed by Western countries and the Butthurt Belt as some kind of champion of democracy and world peace.
do russians think gorbachov was a CIA plant like poles think walesa was?
>>56140938
I have a degree in political science, so I guess I have some idea of what I'm talking about.
>>56141039
>>56141019
Not CIA, but traitor or some shit. Where the fuck have you heard this bullshit?
>gorbachev was a traitor
please stop this meme, he did you all a favour.
>>56141019
Reminds me of when this Estonian guy posted a picture of a plaque in Tallinn thanking Yeltsin for granting them their independence.
>>56141100
Bachelor? Anyway political science isnt economics so you cant fully understand that. Also, knowing the quality of russian education, I tend to think you're incompetent even in political science.
>>56141013
It isn't, because it meant that people were just not doing shit at work. They were either drinking vodka during working hours if they were bydlo, or drinking tea all day if they were more cultured. Hence the atrociously low productivity and quality of goods.
>>56141254
And you, I suppose, believe that Soviet planned economy was, in fact, competitive and efficient?
>>56141356
Even Putin who is a huge nostalgiafag says that the planned economy was fail.
>>56141261
Besides, stealing tools, materials, etc from workplace was literally not even thought of as a crime. Of course, legally it was, it's just that everybody turned a blind eye to it.
Also the republics especially Ukraine, Georgia, and Armenia were living off the high hog and sucking money from the rest of the country.
>>56140159
Lenin was one of the biggest NEETs of all time
>>56137805
Is no different than something Ho Chi Minh said about how "Vietnam has a high birthrate; the Americans will get tired of the war before we run out of soldiers."
>>56137329
>Nobody gives a damn about Lenin and his gibberish world revolution
Honestly, that was more Trotsky's idea than anything. Lenin even wrote a pamphlet criticizing it called "Left-wing communism: An infantile idiocy"
>>56137805
>You can exterminate the shit out of Russians in 20 century, but they will born more as roaches
That's not only not very nice to Russians, it's also factually untrue. The demographic problems Russia suffers from now are largely due to the calamities it went through in the 20th century.
>>56141747
You're a fucking retard.
>>56142132
But he's right. The Soviet government really did pump resources into national republics to keep them placid, the same way it did pump resources into Eastern European socialist countries.
>>56142316
Ironicially it had the opposite effect in that it ended up weakening central control and accelerating the USSR's breakup.
>>56137329
Maybe not so much world revolution, but the communist internationalism idea remained a part of the USSR right up until the end; Moscow considered themselves the elder brother to fraternal socialist states and people in the Eastern Bloc could travel, study, and vacation anywhere from Cuba to Mongolia to Vietnam.
This thread is interesting. Wouldn't mind it resuming t b h
>>56142632
Except for China and Albania because they were douchebags.
>>56135047
grandpap lived under them
>Lenin
his ideas would worked if they would be tried on more civilized people then russians
>stalin
as good as hitler
>hrutsov
absolute lad
>breshnev
weirdo who got his coffin dropped
>guys before gorbatshov
noone cares
>gorbatshov
allright lad
>>56135047
meme
turbo meme
wanted ww3
who
who
who
good guy
>>56142632
could travel, study, and vacation anywhere from Cuba to Mongolia to Vietnam
No, you couldn't. International tourism was extremely limited, even to "socialist" countries. Most people who went abroad were going on long-term business trips. These were usually diplomats, technical advisors, etc, and these jobs were very prestigeous. By the way, to a large extent it was because there you could buy foreign stuff like home electronics or jeans.
>>56143197
>could travel, study, and vacation anywhere from Cuba to Mongolia to Vietnam
forgot to greentext it, sorry
>>56143197
IDK; Polish guy told me in the 80s you'd commonly see North Korean or Cuban students studying over there.
>>56143197
Part of my family was in Syria for 3 years. Technical Advisors from AvtoVAZ, yeah.
>>56143240
They were not Soviet Union. Soviet citizens could not travel. All the aligned states could travel to us, on the other hand.
>>56143032
Why, what did China and Albania do. I'm not familiar on the history.
>>56143240
True, but it wasn't like you wentto the academic exchange office of your uni and say "Oh, I wanna go to study in Cuba for a term or two, can you do it?" You had to be an activist of your university party organization (read: snitch) with perfect recommendations and good connections, and then - probably - you would get such a chance.
>>56143420
Sino-Soviet split. Google it. Mao thought the Soviets were fake gommunists. Albania, that's just because Enver Hoxha was butthurt.
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/06/world/47-soviet-officials-expelled-by-paris-on-spying-charges.html
How about this incident where France expelled 47 Soviet diplomats for engaging in a mass espionage operation.
>>56143420
Chinese communists (or, rather, Mao and his buddies) split with the Soviets in the early 1960s because the Soviet "revisionists" didn't share Mao's YOLO ideas of starting a nuclear war to destroy capitalism. At one point there was even a risk of war between the USSR and communist China, and there were even border clashes. Albania happened to be the only European socialist state that openly supported Mao.
>>56143051
>>56143051
Nice proxy.
>>56143790
That and Mao thought that Moscow was trying to turn China into a Soviet republic and not treating them fairly.
>>56143964
what ?
>>56143420
Albania was one massive bunker.
Tito was the greatest socialist leader. Yugoslavia was on the right track until nationalism fucked them over.
But Croatia, Montenegro and Slovenia are still pretty nice. If I were to pick any country to move to it would be Slovenia. Even though their greatest thinkers eat from trashcans
>>56143790
Stop rewriting history. Mao splits from USSR because USSR was no more socialist.
>>56141356
Planned economy's end game was to remove currency and markets
That's impossible goal to achieve because of simple human nature to want things they don't have
>>56150049
>simple human nature
There is no such thing.
>>56150100
You know it's true. It's not possible to satisfy whole nation's demand and preferences through even the most thorough planning. People have so varying needs. The best way (or the least bad) to achieve this is to have markets for different products and currency to value those products so people can satisfy their ndividual needs.
>>56150277
>You know it's true.
I know it's false.
>>56150410
argument of the century
>>56150100
The human brain is a thing, moron.
>>56151074
What is the link with what I said? Moron.
>>56151140
>human nature doesn't exist
>it can't be broken down into straightforward mechanisms due to the architecture of the human brain
>>56151273
>human brain
There is many human brains, your brain, my brain etc. Each one is unique. The existence of human nture would imply the existence of something independent of matter that is human. That's idealism.
Stalin did nothing wrong.
Gorbachev is an idialistic idiot.
