Was he a war criminal?
Yes, but in his defense you struck first. The most damning thing you could say is that his tactics were ineffective, unlike the US dropping the atom bomb on Japan for example.
>>55008474
I think there is a difference between bombing military targets, like Germany did, and deliberatly targeting civilian population
>>55009695
Manpower is a military target
>>55010237
manpower was on the front
ciities were filled with women and children and old people
Was he a war criminal?
>>55010365
Volksturm is a military target.
>>55009695
>Germany trying to talk about their morality
>>55007842
Silly Gunter, there are no war criminals on the winning side.
>>55010453
I am aware that Germany commited many war crimes.
I just would like to know if terrorbombing is precieved as a war crimes by brits and others.
>>55010453
>firebombing japan then nuking it for no reason other than scaring soviet
>>55007842
He was a hero.
Germshits were bombing civilians since the begining.
>>55007842
there is no such thing as a war criminal
>>55009695
But you bombed civilians. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>55010559
>Germshits were bombing civilians since the begining.
As far as I know, at least in Britain, German Luftwaffe didn't deliberatly target civilians
>>55010606
>at least in Britain
What about Poland and Netherlands?
Start shit, get hit. They still didn't bomb you enough.
>>55010513
>>55010559
and let's not forget about these bad boys
>>55010654
I doubt Brits cared much about Polish casulties, to be honest
>>55010733
They didn't. Everyone with a little bit of brain knows that.
>>55010793
Seriously, I think polish politicians were kinda naive.
Instead of trying to remain neutral between 2 huge powers, you should have sided with either of those
>>55010831
>neutral
>when country is placed in the crashzone
No such thing since Prussia and Russia became stronger than Poland.
So since Seven years war.
>>55010733
They didnt, thats why we dont care about Pakistanis fucking them britshits inside out.
what comes around goes around I guess
DESIGNATED
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>>55009695
Germany did bomb civilian targets in Britain, Poland, Soviet Union
You started this madness in Guernica
Harris was a war criminal, but you made him one
>>55010406
he dindu nuffin
he was just following orders
he was a good boy going to church every sunday
>>55010856
>Seven years war.
Even before that I think.
Everything started going to shit when the pope cucked us out of conquering Russia for good.
>>55010903
>Germany did bomb civilian targets in Britain
Pretty sure Germany only attacked military targets in Britain
Everyone know how easily hair burns. How did glorious British heroes manage to cook this German woman but leave her hair intact? It's a mystery!
>>55010973
Are you fucking kidding me?
>>55010977
She died of starvation.
>>55010996
>In comparison to the later Allied bombing campaign against Germany, the Blitz resulted in relatively few casualties; the British bombing of Hamburg in July 1943 inflicted some 42,000 civilian deaths, about the same as the entire Blitz.
>>55011065
But they you were doing it, you started it and now you're denying it
Fuck you, faggot
Bomber Harris do it again
>>55011065
>Hamburg
Lies, these people are merely sleeping!
>>55007842
No. In total war, civilians are resources, killing them damages their morale and the war machine.
rules of war are just means to have a reason to get rid of the leaders of a defeated country to control it when the war is over. This is a farce.
>>55010878
>>55010977
>>55011149
Stop being an edgy faggot
>>55011168
but with this point of view, one could argue that nazis did nothing wrong, or did i misunderstand you?
>>55011250
what military purpose does massacring jews serve? the nazis were retarded
>>55011330
from the nazi point of view, jews were tratiors and allies of the bolshevism
>>55011250
Not really
Exterminating Jews was higher priority for Germans than winning the war
Was he a war criminal?
No.
>>55011250
Nazis started the whole thing, they're guilty of that. killing civilians of defeated countries is "wrong" unless you have a reason and that reason is eugenics and future exploitation of the clay you conquered but, not everybody can be open minded to understand this :^)
>>55011424
Their reason for killing civilians was fighting partisans
>w-we wuz gud bois we dindu nuffin, my boy was goin to college before he served in auschwitz
>>55011391
Not true at all.
Killing Jews was not as important for Hitler as hollywood movies make it out to be.
It was more of a sidenote. I mean, he planned killing tens of millions of slavs, so why not kill 6 million jews aswell
>>55011065
>hamburg
>killed more germans in 8 days than they did in the whole war to us
dat k/d ratio tho
When will russians and other former soviet countries answer for their crimes against humanity during and after WW2?
>>55011470
kek
firebombing D E S S
>>55011450
You and me both know it's a lie. the bulk of the civilian casualties were not related to partisans.
The eugenic tendencies of the nazis support that those were massacres.
>>55011510
Why did Germany waste so much resources (both matériel and pesonnel) if they could be deployed in a war effort, even when Soviets were in an offensive then?
>>55011640
Well, the strategic long tern plan of nazi was making Germany independant of food imports by conquering enough farmland in the east. And since that farmland couldn't support both Germany and the local population, the hunger death of the latter was calculated.
And since the civilians were gonna die anyway, Germans took a lot of liberties when fighting the partisans
>>55011450
You're moving the goalposts
>>55011716
It wasn't so much resources, really.
There were a lot of people who were not qualified to serve at the eastern front, but could be still used for killing jews.
Also, using the people in the concentration camps as slave labour was kinda productive, aswell
>>55011551
When nukes become obsolete
>>55011779
Elite SS units couldn't have been used on the Eastern front?
Germany didn't have much resources in the end and it chose to spend them on this
>>55011874
You will always need some units to secure the supply train and fight local resistance. You can't just have all of your forces on the front
>>55011900
Germany also chose not to exploit anti-Soviet sentiment in Ukraine and the Baltics for ideological reasons
It could've utilised local population
>>55011965
Yes, that was pretty stupid.
But their end goal was to basically eraddicate Ukrainian population anyway
>>55011724
yeah exactly you were genocidal dicks who deserved everything you got
>>55011965
When you think about it, it was Hitler's ideological rigidity and fanaticksm that lost you the war
He did nothing wrong
Allied bombing of civilian targets was justified
The nuclear bombs saved lives too
The Holocaust is a lie, Hitler was right, he wanted the best for all European people, Wehrmacht was the most honorable and dignified army to have ever existed, Poles used partisan armies so the Wehrmacht had to attack the so called "civilians", all of Europe and even USA lost their connection to heritage because Hitler lost the war, if your ancestors knew what the outcome of the great war would be, they'd fight for Hitler.
>>55012077
I am not excusing Germanies warcrimes.
But I don't think one warcrime justifies another, or would you disagree?
>>55007842
He was a total bro
>>55012174
Civilisn bombing was justified because fanatical German people supported the worst barbarities imaginable
You started the storm and now you're crying because it blew up in your face
German forces raped and killed more women in USSR than Red Army ever did
>>55012149
this. both firebombing and nuclear bombing saved allied soldiers lives.
>"I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier" - Sir Arthur Harris
>>55012265
>it was justified
how do you justify doing the same thing the germans do?
>>55011391
Not before 1942.
>>55012308
I didn't mean it earnestly. It was just a reaction to that post
>>55012237
I don't think it was morally justifiable
I like Dan Carlin's interpretation of this. He's calling it logical insanity
http://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-42-blitz-logical-insanity/
>>55012265
What Hitler and his brown shirts started in the days of Weimar the whole German people later carried on with. We tried to reverse the irreversible, ending national socialism is the original sin. The most noble idea is now burried under mongrel nations and money lenders. No barbarities were ever commited by us.
>>55012280
Also our firebombing of Japanese cities was incredibly demoralizing to the Japanese
That and the nukes saved untold numbers of lives
>>55012520
lmao, it was already over by the time USA dropped the nukes. You did that only to flex and scare Soviet.
>saved lives
this is what propaganda does to your little head
>>55012416
Good taste
>>55012668
Japs were cunts and had it coming anyway
>this is what propaganda does to your little head
>>55007842
Arthur "Dindu" Harris
>bombing civilian targets
>not a war criminal
>>55012668
Japs wouldn't surrender.
The nukes were justified.
>>55012762
>Japan wouldnt surrender
smfh, they were scared shitless by soviet
>>55012727
>brazilian """"education""""""
unrestricted bombing of civilians wasn't even arthur harris's idea. it was just his job to carry it out so he got all the shit for it
>>55012886
Yeah I mean,if they knew it was over then why didnt they surrender before the nukes?
>>55012927
>bong """""""""""""""""""""education""""""""""""""""""
Yes and the international court of human rights and Nürnbeger trials made it clear to the whole world that you can no longer get exculpation by saying """""""""""it was just his job""""""""""""", it's also a case of macro criminology.
>>55012762
Mate the Japanese government were already in the verge of surrendering, and even sent a letter to then president Roosevelt as early as 1944 via mcarthur. Roosevelt pretty much ignored the proposal, despite the fact that the content was almost identical to the terms indicated int eh Potsdam declaration (except for retaining the emperor). If the murricans really wanted to save lives, they would have accepted the surrender notice in 1944. No battles of Okinawa and Iwo Jima would have happened. The nukes were just used to experiment on human subjects (hence why no bombs were dropped in hiroshima and nagasaki prior to the nukes, and 2 different types of nukes were used), and to scare off the russians.
>>55012927
>Air chief marshal
>i-it wasn't him
Sure thing
>>55013033
>it's also a case of macro criminology.
>>55012727
He never denied bombing the shit out of nazis
>>55013037
>I think it is not a coincidence that there are no high ranked politicians with russian background in Estonia
Source on that? Genuinely interested.
>>55013205
>>55013205
Meant to be
>Mate the Japanese government were already in the verge of surrendering, and even sent a letter to then president Roosevelt as early as 1944 via mcarthur.
The fuck had the wrong phrase copied
>>55013205
Sorry my bad, not 1944 but early 1945
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombs_dropped_in_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
>>55013245
>>55013205
This is about the memo
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/FDR_denied_Japanese_surrender_memo
>>55013193
Yes it actually is, you made the most retarded statement as an anglo regarding Dindu Harris and his "job", but you did not mean to do that, you just have no idea what the fuck you are talking about and that's why you tip it to macro criminology, because you brain is micro.
>>55013391
>>55013492
>I don't understand macro criminology and the end of exculpation by a state princeps and that's why I post a quote from this war criminal
>t. (You)
>>55013391
You aren't any better
Denying that it was the Luftwaffe which was the first to use carpet bombing both in Spain and Britain
Sorry, we can't be war criminals because we won :^)
>>55013835
Or carpet bombing Rottermdam after an unprovoked attack on a small neutral nation
>>55013835
>>55013966
Are you not able to read properly? I am not even defending the national socialist movement's attacks on others. I am just saying that it goes both ways.
>>55014049
>I am just saying that it goes both ways.
Lmao, do you actually believe that?
He dindu nothing
>>55014049
>I think there is a difference between bombing military targets, like Germany did, and deliberatly targeting civilian population
This is a lie
>>55014196
I did never fucking type that, maybe you mistake me for some one else in this thread but not every German flag on /int/ is the same poster.
>>55014072
I am not "believing" that, it's the law in EU and every nation that signed the contract with international court of human rights.
>>55014299
>it's the law in EU and every nation that signed the contract with international court of human rights.
What an optimistic and quixotic young man you are.
>>55010515
Stop this meme
>>55014299
>I ... assume that the view under consideration is something like this: no doubt in the past we were justified in attacking German cities. But to do so was always repugnant and now that the Germans are beaten anyway we can properly abstain from proceeding with these attacks. This is a doctrine to which I could never subscribe. Attacks on cities like any other act of war are intolerable unless they are strategically justified. But they are strategically justified in so far as they tend to shorten the war and preserve the lives of Allied soldiers. To my mind we have absolutely no right to give them up unless it is certain that they will not have this effect. I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier
Absolute madman
