http://news.yahoo.com/china-close-to-creating-artificial-sun-that-104504777.html?nhp=1
>Chinese scientists have managed to create a hydrogen gas that is three times hotter than the sun.
>The artificial solar energy could eventually be used as an inexhaustible source of power, ending reliance on fossil fuels and solving the world energy crisis.
>Chinese boffins created the gas in a huge magnetic fusion reactor at the Institute of Physical Science in Hefei.
>Researchers were able to use the reactor to produce temperatures of 50 million Kelvins (49.999 million°C) and maintain them for 102 seconds. The core of the sun is believed to around 15 million Kelvins.
THE POWER OF THE SUNNNNNNNNNN!!!
POWER OVERWHELMING.
China confirmed for taking over the world.
>The artificial solar energy could eventually be used as an inexhaustible source of power, ending reliance on fossil fuels and solving the world energy crisis.
I for one, welcome my new chinese overlords.
How is it inexhausable? Don't you still need a constant supply of hydrogen?
>>54804994
SHUT UP, IT'S ANCIENT CHINESE SECRETS
>>54804994
You can split hydrogen from water
desu if they complete that I hope we nuke them
>>54805156
>nuking the sun
Good luck faggot they got Ra on their side.
So apparently Germany already managed to get higher than this a while ago.
>>54805064
It's powered by qi?
>>54805145
Then you'd need a constant supply of water. I propose we get it from Africa.
>Yahoo
>Energy out > Energy in
>Seems legit
>While the news is an important breakthrough, it could still take decades to perfect the process so that it can be used as a constant power source.
>>54804591
Making hot is easy. Making sustained fusion is hard. I hope they do it too. The sooner the better. A world with multiple powers is better for everyone.
>>54805156
You would need one trillion lions at least
>>54805309
>africans dying of thirst in the heat of the sun every day
>take what little water they have
>make more suns
>>54804994
Hydrogen is one of the more common elements in the universe
dumb fuck
>>54804591
Fusion has been around for years, this is a non-story. The problem is making it give out more energy than you put in.
>>54804967
Why? so you can get cucked more?
https://youtu.be/kydR03W8_DQ?t=62
skip to one minute in.
AND IT'S BEEN
THE RUIN
OF MANY POOR BOY
IN GOD
I KNOW
I'VE WON
Just call it FUSION REACTOR. People can't be that stupid.
I love these stories.
>>54804591
>yahoo
stopped reading there
>>54805247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZPtfjogKz4
>>54805418
You don't say. Next you'll be telling me that the Earth isn't flat.
>>54805418
It IS the most abundant element
dumb fuck
>>54804591
they are using a tokamak reactor, these will never create more energy then is required to keep the reaction going, any western university could build a tokamak capable of the same feat but it would just be a waste of money
proofs?????
>>54804591
>three times hotter than the sun.
nice quality journalism
100 million degrees kelvin for 102 seconds. Not bad.
It's a Tokamak model, different from the European experimental fusion reactor Wendelstein 7-X.
The international effort to create fusion energy via different means can only be good.
>>54805610
We already have ITER, but the reaction could never be kept that long as they did.
Different ways to do things. Not bad.
>>54805713
50 million K, I meant
>>54804811
They realize it and I bet most of us move to China - to learn the culture, mentality and ways of the new global leader.
Chinese = increasingly becoming like us germs, including engineering autism
>>54805587
so why are you questioning the availability then
>trusting anything made in China
>ever
I'll give it 2 months before it fizzles out
>>54804591
More Chinese lies.
Hey guys. What if - just hear me out - what if, instead of using the power of an artificial chinese sun, we use the power of the real sun?
woah
>>54806034
They are researching that shit for years already, so I dont think so. Close cooperation with Europe ensures that the scientific community has insights in their development status.
>>54805610
As I see it, They would need to achieve 400 seconds of 50 million kelvin, which would enable 20% of the fusion-reaction's Helium-4 atoms-cores to perpetuate the reaction, which would produce 500 MW and would totally make up thr 50 MW that has to be "injected" to keep the system running.
With 102 seconds achieved, the Chinese still have some way to go. But that's already pretty good.
Is that useless cum fart of a country making shit up again?
Christ, they're getting as bad as North Korea. I'll grant Europe the atomic collusion machine because that is bad, fucking ass. Don't you lie to me though nigga. You didn't create an artificial anything China. Meanwhile King Jung fuckface fought off forty thousand men with his dick right?
>>54804905
>used as an inexhaustible source of power
lol no
>the world will drown in a sea of Chinese fire in a matter of nano seconds and you still don't have a gf
>>54806256
I thought we had police brutality in the US and then I saw what cops are like in Brazil. Holy shit, they do not fuck around there m8.
>>54806280
Yeah, they're a product of their environment. You have to be though to survive the post-apoc streets of Brazil.
>>54806280
Shoot first, ask questions later. Everyone is a dangerous criminal until proven otherwise. - motto of the Brazilian police
>>54806361
This gun be good.
>>54805381
we merely need a stick
>>54806360
>>54806361
>>54806473
Yeah. Nah.
Why do whitebois get so defensive when china accomplishs something?
>>54806360
I'm not exactly secure with visiting a country where a conversation with a cop basically starts with "please don't kill me."
>>54806579
Yellow is the new white
>>54806579
People want proof, that's all.
It's like us going to the moon. Everybody else bitches and moans that it didn't happen and yet if you have a good enough telescope you can litterall look at the moon's surface and see the shit that we left there. Then there are the holocaust deniers and all these other fucktards.
Even I want proof. European and American scientists need to go over there and verify their accomplishment, that's all.
So is fusion still 50 years away, or have we crept a little closer?
>>54806060
Well, basically it is like this:
China, among other countries all participate in ITER, the international thermonuclear fusion power project. China is even one of the major financial and scientific contributors in the research, but they are pretty mad that it gets delayed all the time because le french and others cant get their heads out of their asses. Hence, the Chinese have accelerated their own, smaller-scaled, experimental reactor (Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak = EAST) and are racing ahead with that method, while everyone else somehow do little to contribute to the ITER. They hope to push the other members to do more and stop delaying ITER, but most people dont seem to give a fuck.
Germany was recently successful with the first test of the Stellarator method, which achieved 80 million K for a quarter of a second, which would validate the design principle at least. This new method isnt what ITER uses, so it seems to be another sign that the West is somehow putting that project on the backburner.
>>54806707
i crept a little closer while ejaculating semen in your mum's vagina REEEEEEE
>>54806786
Wont the West delaying the project only make the Chinese go at it completely alone? And its not like they will share the technology if other nations didnt help out.
>>54806999
Tokamak is an old technology from the Soviet union, dated 1950s at the earliest. Research and technology is always shared, since this is an international effort. The problem is that the other western partners somehow lack the motivation to go on. China's pretty much trying to invigorate the project again by making a proof of concept by achieving a landmark.
Let's see how the other ITER partners now react, whether the test reactor will be finished or not.
Even if not, nearly all member countries have their own smaller or bigger test reactors. It is just that the Chinese have an accelerated schedule.
>>54806999
What's sort of interesting is I would imagine that we (Europe, the US, Russia) have had this technology for a long time since the discovery of nuclear fission. We were just tight-lipped about it where as China gives no fucks.
>>54807130
IIRC Lockheed Martin announced around 2013 that they will have a working fusion reactor by 2015. But nothing happened till now.
I am sure that all militaries have their own pet-projects that get the majority of funding. But it is just sad to see that ITER gets nothing.
>>54807182
People like to make fun of the military but the reality is that they have some of the most intelligent people on the fucking planet working with them.
The Naval Academy and West Point are not only difficult to get into, but arguably have higher academic standards than places like Harvard, Oxford or Cambridge.
Isn't china planing on cloning cows too?
>>54807535
You can already do that.
>>54807535
Uh, who gives a shit?
We can already clone humans but we won't do it (at least publicly) because it freaks religious people the fuck out.
>>54807612
They're mass cloning them for food
>>54804591
Based China literally saving the world from the oil cancer
>>54807794
Are you fucking with me?
That makes absolutely no goddamn sense. Cloning a cow requires the same amount of resources as a natural birth.
>>54806786
>>54807117
So what are the perks of either method?
>>54806579
leave this thread, chang
>>54807890
It has a bent and twisted doughnut compared to the Tokamak, to give a more stable environment for the plasma solenoid. Problem till now what that the materials to build a shape like that was still unavailable, and the shape also threatens to fuck up with the magnetic field's stability which ironically throws the plasma solenoid into disorder, breaking the entire fusion effect. But the Wendelstein experiment was a success, so this concept might work.
Tokamaks are concentric and do not have these weird bends and twists, and are better understood and more 'mature' of a technology.
>>54807931
Leave the earth endangered faggot
>>54808107
Inside China's EAST fusion reactor, Tokamak style:
Very conventional doughnut.
>>54808149
tianjin explosions best day of my life
>be chinese
>run over little kids so you don't have to pay for their treatment after you hit them
>get eaten alive by escalators
>have to buy "canned" air from overseas because beijing is literal cancer on earth in every state of matter
>piss and shit in corners because toilets are western luxuries
>Artificial sun
>China
>Not calling it counterfeit sun
>>54808156
and the plasma solenoid (purple glowing string):
>>54805713
Remember: That intense heat is achieved by using only a few gramms of nuclear fuel.
I still don't think it has enough starting up energy because it still needs to be twice as hot. So it's probably more than confinement problem.
>>54805976
Holy shit, that is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen
>>54808287
And some timeline for the ITER:
2006-11-21 Seven participants formally agreed to fund the creation of a nuclear fusion reactor.[12]
2008 Site preparation start, ITER itinerary start.[33]
2009 Site preparation completion.[33]
2010 Tokamak complex excavation starts.[25]
2013 Tokamak complex construction starts.[33]
(we are here:)
2015 Tokamak assembly starts.[34]
2019 Predicted: Tokamak assembly completion, torus pumpdown starts.[33]
(China achieved that in September 28th, 2006, and the internationally longest version of that in Feb 2016, which is OP's article:)
2020 Predicted: Achievement of first plasma.[33]
2027 Predicted: Start of deuterium–tritium operation.[33]
So, yeah, China's mad for a reason.
>>54808456
this kraut knows what's up
fake and gay
China's only "speciality" is cheating off of others and making rip offs
>>54808287
So what's test is up next for the German model? Haven't they had enough time to crunch the numbers? Shouldn't they be working on reaching conditions where the reaction to be at equilibrium?
>>54808560
Actually, we would also try to at least achieve 100 seconds for the 80 million K plasma. Equilibrium or even surplus would be the ultimate goal for everyone involved in Fusion research.
>>54808506
>want to catch up to the West
>West won't give you the goods
>steal it instead
Honestly, I don't like it, but I can at least appreciate their reasoning. If this were 1910, Europe would be scrambling to send military advisors and tech to China.
>>54808392
Well duh. If you read the article it explains that it is not a breakthrough into fusion, but it is an important step towards it.
>>54808506
Did you read the story? It cites American professors.
>>54808706
In the realms of cutting edge research, especially fundamental research and new energy, China and the West are closely cooperating. We have quite some few exchange professors in our universities from China who are involved in Max Planck and even give lectures at time.
Another thing that the Chinese are currently very good with, is quantum research, or the applied research of it. They have achieved the longest-range quantum teleportation and communication experiement some years ago, and will send the world's first quantum research satellite to space this year, testing quantum entanglement in space, 1000km from earth surface:
http://www.nature.com/news/china-s-quantum-space-pioneer-we-need-to-explore-the-unknown-1.19166
Shit is really pushing the boundaries.
I'm really respecting these guys.
>>54809016
Other things, like Dark Matter research as well:
http://www.nature.com/news/china-s-dark-matter-satellite-launches-era-of-space-science-1.19059
>China’s dark-matter satellite launches era of space science
>Monkey King is first in a line of Chinese space missions focused on scientific discovery.
>>54808611
halts maul arschloch
>>54809334
least intelligent post in the thread.
>>54804994
The claim is they can separate hydrogen from water using less energy than they gain from fusion.
Hypothetically feasible, in practice almost certainly no.
>>54809426
please leave germany, dong, I think the people's cultural re-alignment bureau would be more than proud of your posts
>>54809639
No better arguments on your side aside of name-calling eh?
I knew that /int/ was the least intelligent board on 4chan.
>Chinese academia
>trust worthy
Pick one
http://www.excellencemapping.net/
can this permanently become my source of vitamin d so i can finally just stay inside all day. i never want to go outside again.
>>54804591
THE ETERNAL EMPIRE WILL RISE
>>54805976
I never thought we would need such a thing buttfuck it we need one. It's hypnotic, almost like watching a bug build something.
>chinks pirate the sun
jesus christ
>china will colonize Africa and discover an infinite source of energy in your lifetime
We're living in the Chinese century
>>54804591
Based China tbqh
>>54806579
It's more about the arrogance. "China creates artificial sun." Whatever you say, South China Morning Post; fusion research has been ongoing since the '50s. Every English-speaking Chinese person I've encountered online has been a huge cunt. Even the women defend the PRC government when they do things like kidnap Hong Kong booksellers who sell literature critical of Xi Jinping. They are the most immature people.
>>54806126
Base load power m8, Solar can't sustain a growing population alone. What if it isn't sunny that day, or perhaps it's night time, what then?
FUCK THE MEMES WERE RIGHT
GET CRACKING ON THOSE CHINESE LESSONS BEFORE YOURE DEEMED UNFIT AND SENT TO MANUAL LABOR FOR THE CHINESE OVERLORDS
>>54810380
What does this have to do with their scientific achievement? The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were much more oppressive than China and also had awesome feats of scientific achievement that benefitted humanity as a whole. So much that the Americans decided to steal from us, even.
China is the same. What they do to maintain political stability has nothing to do with their scientific advancements, which are, by the way, quite good despite all attempts to stomp them down and contain them on the grounds of them being commies.
Americans are just buttblasted that their Cold War meme about oppressive societies not being able to innovate proves to be false over and over again. Nothing hurts more than cold hard facts knocking down your notions of superiority.
>>54804591
>The artificial solar energy could eventually be used as an inexhaustible source of power, ending reliance on fossil fuels and solving the world energy crisis.
Wat
>>54808368
mad
they should focus more on making 2D real tbqh
>>54806786
>>54807117
>>54808107
>>54808456
Thanks, based /sci/ bro. I've been hearing about fusion research for years now, but every time there's been a test the energy generated hasn't been able to offset the input energy. These are some pretty great developments.
>>54806360
>>54806473
BRICS
confirmed for taking over
BRICS pls notice us
>>54810539
I never made any claims about their scientific achievements.
>Americans are just buttblasted that their Cold War meme about oppressive societies not being able to innovate proves to be false over and over again.
Take your chlorpromazine, Fritzl.
>>54804591
Can we nust nuke them all until they all die, or at least conquer them and take control of their country forever, those chinks will destroy the world if we let them do.
>>54809887
>Hurdur Chinese can't do anything...
>>54805448
>peter zeihan
>>54810686
No problem.
Sad that /sci/ is so fucking slow at the moment and dont seem to be talking about this much.
>>54810609
Fusion. That's what fusion power is in a retarded Yahoo.news sense.
Technically accurate.
>>54810732
Splendid. Ahmed will love the time spent with your wife while you're on another side of the globe fighting millions of zergchinks
>>54810627
I posted one picture. You talked about 8 different issues FIRST. You are who is mad. I'm just some rando that jumped into your thread chain.
Those who hit better be prepared to get hit back.
>>54810811
>implying a frenchie would marry a goat
>>54804591
is china claiming this or has it been confirmed? because china also claims it bred a human with a chimp
>>54810732
It's better not to know if we could or not.
Would be too depressing either way.
>>54810867
Sheep are much better amirite?
>>54810886
Why don't you read the article instead of shitposting?
>>54810956
I'm Australian, but I'm living in New Zealand, so it's more like Kangaroos, or Aboriginals
>>54805309
>What is an Ocean
>>54804591
sun is shit tier animal and pet
>>54810981
because its yahoo news.
>>54809016
while the west is bogged down by bureaucratic hypocrisy this century and science has pretty much reach stalemate. China finally has the wealth and minds to catch up with the west little by little and fully embrace it after decades of persecution.
I just hope one day the world both east and west would stop being so dependent on fossil fuels as an energy source and focus more on heavy technological advancements
>>54810740
>cheap ass copy of F22
>>54811255
You mean the 50 cent brigade
>>54810776
Thank you for the information. What kind of degree do you have? What you're talking about seems really interesting and I'm thinking of taking a couple classes on it.
>>54804591
>http://news.yahoo.com/china-close-to-creating-artificial-sun-that-104504777.html?nhp=1
i can't find anything about this on a legitimate news site. its bullshit, lads why are you all so bad at realizing this?
>>54811607
not legitimate enough?
>>54811180
Looks just like an F-22!
Canards! Ten feet longer! Wider engines! No side missile launch doors!
Copy! Copy!
>>54811255
No gf IDF*
Hence why I'm shitposting at 10:50 on 4chan.
>>54811764
none of those are legitimate, no. like not one and the whole yahoo article is like 2 paragraphs. cnn nbc, cbs, abc, fox, and al jazeera are saying nothing. neither are the mainstream tech blogs like wired or engadget.
>>54811607
>yahoo
>literally the most American website
>literally only used by crazy old patriotic white fuckers because they can't figure out google
I would say it's legit. It's also citing some American nuclear science professors.
>>54811943
Wow you just can't admit you're a faggot.
>china is now where the us was in the 80s
Hurray. Let me know when they achieve ignition.
>>54805342
>what is WW1
>>54810740
How do I buy it on Alibaba?
a finite amount of mass can create a finite amount of energy. I guess they magically cause hydrogen fusion without causing Chinkshima 2.0
>tfw china will implode in your lifetime
W E W
>>54804811
Same has been done in germany, the us abd soon in france.
It's called nuclear fusion research
>>54812096
RIP our economies
>>54812096
You're economy lol
>>54812031
Join and buy.
>>54811992
Hmm? Source?
Germanon provided a bunch of sources showing this is the furthest anyone has gotten.
>>54812127
Not to this level.
holy shit its fake.
>>54805402
heh
>free energy
>mini sun
>China
>magnets
I am skeptical.
>China thread
>now convinced there are 无毛 on /int/
It's a nice accomplishment but it isn't really a feasible solution to anything.
The beauty of renewable resources is that the resources aren't permanently removed from the environment. You have to feed the "sun" something, and once it's used, it's gone for good. Water is a finite resource that we can't permanently deplete without massive repercussions to the environment and humans, even if it's salt water. The only way this would work without ruining us is if we mined space for hydrogen-containing molecules or some shit.
>>54810886
>>54810740
We need to dispel this fiction that China doesn't know what it's doing.
It know exactly what it's doing. It's undergoing a systematic effort to catch up with the rest of the world.
>>54813571
You ever hear about basic metabolism?
>years ago when China was doing alright
>/int/ be like "hurr durr china poo in Burberry"
>2016, when gdp growth has gone down to 6.9 and even 50 cents are shouting the ccp is done
>/int/ be like "Muh Chinese century" and fapping to a years old project
Seriously why can't the west into timely news
