which country has the greatest literary tradition (aside from
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which country has the greatest literary tradition (aside from the UK and USA, naturally)
hOI
Portugal is irrelevant in literally everything.
>>53039992
why this ancient portuguese don't use his national colours, wtf
Ireland or Russia.
USA has no literary tradition or at least nothing worth comparing to any European or Asian ones.
>>53040046
Your flag makes your angry post more beautiful.
>>53040151
But you barely have literature apart from Pessoa. Spain is superior to you in practically everything, including books.
>>53040206
>muh Don Quijote and muh windmills and moorish princesses
the problem with literature is that most European writers began to utilise their own national languages just before the Spring of Nations and right after it
the only relevant exceptions are Frenchmen, Germans, Italians, Spaniards and Englishmen (arguably Greeks if we consider ancient Greek texts as literature)
"Hold up," he said. His lips pursed for a sharp, harsh, wet-sounding intake of breath. "So you are saying that we were Nobel Prize winners 'n' shit?"
>>53040286
hehehehehe
>>53040238
Counting Brazil and muh colonies, there are more Spanish-speaking writers than Portuguese-speaking writers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish-language_authors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_literature
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_literature
See? They're niggers.
>>53040206
You forgot,Almeida Garett,Eça de Queirós, José Saramago(noble prize winner),Camões,Gil Vicente,Camilo Castelo Branco,etc
>>53040385
I guess, but give Portugal some credit, they aren't pushovers
also I want so smutty literature about big European men taking Moorish princesses so if you have recommendations I'd be grateful
>>53040411
All of them practically unknown compared to Don Quixote. :p
You don't even have at least one single relevant book, just admit it.
>>53040151
>>53040411
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>53040491
Ah, they aren't pushovers?
Then how is that they never conquered Galicia? Maybe you've got Gibraltar, but we still have Olivenza jajajaja
Portugal is weak and pathetic like your poor excuse of a country raped by filthy Pakis. :)
>>53039992
Russia, France, or Germany
All Dutch authors seem to do is write about the second world war for some reason.
>>53040503
nobody reads don quixote...
Who gives a fuck about a moorish soldier raping woman
>>53040561
Nobody gives a fuck about Olivença here,however,it's pretty funny how you lost a region to England in your own territory.
>>53040627
>Nobody gives a fuck about Olivença
So that's why you are always butthurt about it?
We even stole Ceuta from you. ;)
>>53040577
>Russian literature meme
the majority of Russian literary classics sprang up in the same period, written by only a handful of writers of very comparable worldview
Frenchmen popularised Russian novels, sure, but they aren't really a literary tradition, especially with communism killing their literature yet again
the brightest flame burns quickly, I guess
>>53040711
We never mention Olivença,it's always you who do it
>stole a moor region
that's why you have alot of moroccans in spain nowadays,right?
>>53040385
>500 million people produced more writers than 250 million
>>53039992
There's nothing quite Russian and French literature literature, everything else pales in comparison.
>UK USA
>great literary tradition
Pic related
>>53040727
France, Ireland, Russia and maybe Sweden as a push.
>>53040932
America has better authors than you though.
Russian literature literally died with Tolstoy, overrated as fuck, French is okay but pales to the power of the Anglo
>>53040988
what are you talking about
>Ireland
>Sweden
what
>>53039992
>aside from
It's apart from you americanised cunt.
Germany ofc
Spain
>USA
>literary tradition
I thought reading was for faggots
>>53041002
>>53039992
>implying the Russians didn't beat UK/USA two centuries ago
Please keep nationalism aside for once
>>53041148
Illiterate monkey.
>>53041034
>polish intellectuals
James Joyce, Oscar Wilde, Yeats, Beckett ect.
Sweden has the highest nobel laureates per capita of any country.
>>53041241
>Sweden has the highest nobel laureates per capita of any country.
Thought it was Switzerland
>>53041241
you don't seem to understand my point I wrote down in pretty clear terms here >>53040242
Ireland simply doesn't have a prevalent literary tradition
Russia
/thread
>>53040617
Nah, they also write about God and homosexuality.
>>53041034
We've won like 7 Nobel prizes because of our literature plus "Lands of Saints and Scholars" we were known as during medieval times cause we had lots of poets,philosophers and monks writing literature. Heaney,Joyce,Yeats and Wilde. Literally the only thing we contributed to the world was literature
>>53039992
Russia
>>53040727
>poles are butthurt even about the russian literarute
Kek
>>53041345
name something worth reading from NL
>>53041406
Don't be modest, you've got great music too. :)
>>53041230
Don't be mad gringo, you can't win this.
>>53041406
all of these writers were de facto English colonial writers
>>53041418
truth hurts
>>53041534
Your point? They were all Irish and happily Irish at that. That's like saying Scotland can take credit for an English invention.
>>53041493
Y-you too
>>53041429
They say The Discovery of Heaven from Harry Mulisch is pretty good, but it's got like a million pages. At least we still got the movie.
Personally I like Oeroeg from Hella Haassen, which is about our war in Indonesia. But you can also just watch the movie version.
The book Max Havelaar set in the decolonization policy of the Netherlands, so it's historically relevant, but considering it was written in 1860 it reads like ass. So you're better off just watching the movie.
This is the Dutch cannon of literary works:
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_van_de_Nederlandse_letterkunde
>>53041429
Of all the books I had to read in school I liked only one but that was a children's book when I was 8.
>>53039992
>aside from the UK and USA
does it matter at that point lel
>>53039992
Russia, France, Germany > UK, US
>>53041633
all I'm saying there's no Irish literary tradition
Polish literature was a fad, Russian was a fad, Irish was also only a fad
>>53040727
Half of Polish writers are belarusian. Other half are soviet.
>>53041418
the pole is right, you're not
let me guess:
1) diasporafag
2) babbys first dostojevski
3) both
>>53041510
I'm not American, but except for their nigger cities like Detroit or Baltimore they're an actual first wolrd country unlike you.
AIDS and hunger is all what you have to offer, huetard.
>>53041739
I never claimed that Poland had any literary tradition
most of our classics were written in a period of 150 years, just like Czechs or Russians
books are gay
>>53041734
But that tradition has been around since medieval times. Monks wrote books in monasteries all across Ireland.
>>53041790
Actually Andjei Sapkowski (am i right) is good enough
>>53041429
If you want to read typical Dutch bullshit you should Turkish Delight by Jan Wolkers.
Tolstoy wrote the greatest novel of all time so Russian I guess?
>>53041850
that's right anon, books are gay, that's why they can not reproduce by themselves
>>53040046
Jose Saramago is GOAT even if he was a filthy fucking gommie.
>>53041868
but was it a consistent effort that lasted over many centuries, like German or French literature?
you mostly wrote in Latin and in the vein of Christianity, just like us
>>53041879
>Turkish Delight
It also has a movie version by Paul Verhoeven desu.
>>53041881
>literary tradition
there is no tradition in russia, there are a lot of exceptional individuals
>>53041879
seems too contemporary.. is there something more traditional? like a book you study in school for a start?
>>53041875
please don't
if a guy who writes low fantasy books specifically for cash is supposed to be the paragon of Polish literature then nuke us already
>>53041947
???
>>53042022
you have evidence that tolstoy grew out of a long line of writers who preceded him and exhibits the characteristic style of those aka of a tradition?
>>53041788
>he can't keep up with arguments
>resorts to name calling
You didn't even try to mention a genius such as Fitzgerald...what an ignorant garbage you are.
>I'm not american
Everyone but Brazilians are gringos to us, my gringo friendo
>>53042100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian-language_writers
List of Estonia writers shorter than chinesee dick
>Irish 'literature'
you're all cucks who adopted you superior anglo masters writing
>>53039992
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_published_per_country_per_year
>Anglos and chinese count the re-editions because muh culture
>>53042205
...
jesus you're really retarded, go read a book or two
>>53042205
>almost all are XIXc. or gommie
>tradition
>>53041995
These are books we get in school.
The Darkroom of Damocles by Hermans.
Finns have the greatest meme tradition.
>>53040075
We have it almost as much as you Europeans because you didn't even start using your own language until the 19th century.
>>53042298
no, i think his whole "argument" was that the list is longer...
>>53042205
>tradition
1
a : an inherited, established, or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior (as a religious practice or a social custom)b : a belief or story or a body of beliefs or stories relating to the past that are commonly accepted as historical though not verifiable
2
: the handing down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instruction
3
: cultural continuity in social attitudes, customs, and institutions
4
: characteristic manner, method, or style <in the best liberal tradition>
>>53042022
Me fucking your mum is an individual action
Myself and my ancestors fucking all the woman in your family going back centuries is a tradition
>>53040075
Seconded
Reading is for nerds. It's ancient technology that has no place in $CURRENT_YEAR. Writing “Cogito, ergo sum” is no more thought-provoking than saying it. The only reason literacy is an integral part of this IMAGEboard is necessity since half the board can't speak English understandably, similar to how one must grunt and point to communicate with a brain-dead nigger.
UK
France
Spain
Russia
USA
Portugal
Italy
Anyone worth mentioning I'm forgetting? Could probably include China and Japan but I'd have no idea where to put them
Germany, France, Russia. UK is irrelevant.
>>53040727
I have to agree about time frames at the very least here. Muh 'Prince Igor' would be one exception and some say it's probably fake.
Wouldn't agree with commies killing the tradition, I'd name Sholohov, Bulgakov, Platonov and Shukshin.
>>53039992
There is no other great literary tradition other than RP. It is by definition, the furthest we humans ever achieved in linguistic technology.
>>53042281
Go get sardines, nazi cunt.
>>53042298
If you are retarded and can't into such a long list, don't blame others. There are lots of literature in this list that takes place in 1st centry.
>>53041734
>>53041534
Autism is alive and well in Poland
>>53042383
1. Check
2. Check
3. Check
4. Not shure about it
>>53042540
"Manuscript of Saragossa" is possibly the oldest Polish novel (it's still just early XIXc.) but there was no consistent tradition afterwards, sadly
with gommies I don't like to call the authors followers of any tradition because of the "ensnared mind" phenomenon described by Miłosz - authors sought to appease the censourship and had to make too many compromises
Bulgakov is tip top tier though
>>53042523
i'm actually leaning towards china as the greatest since it is one of the oldest and probably has produced an amount of great literature which is just unknown to the average eurofag (me myself included)
>>53039992
You fucking twats don't realize the whole fucking middle east is way beyond you European snobs
>>53042742
You need to be literate before you can write a book.
>>53042624
>autism
I just value literature and don't like the fact that most contemporary people take it for granted
>>53042702
I know - the chinese canon is incredible, but impossible to translate properly into English and not well known here.
>>53039992
>USA
>>53042689
I agree about the Prince - didn't mean to name it as a part of tradition we speak of here in the first place.
As for censorship - many writers in many places had to deal with censorship before, many got in trouble because of their writing, many had to dedicate their books to the noble. It's the situations they had to deal with. It did influence the books. But we can't say this or that regime eradicated the writers completely.
I'd agree on major changes. :3
>>53042932
I'm fairly certain any book gets at least partially lost in translation.
In school I had to read German, French and English books as well (not American lel). And English books usually were a bit lighter and easier to read. French books were the best I think. Dutch books are pure edgy and 2deep4u.
>>53042523
germany
>>53042932
additional factors:
very long periods of stability
relatively little outside influence
yet a very strong influence on surrounding cultures (think japan for instance, they are literally just chinese culture refined)
>>53043142
I still insist on the special snowflake nature of communism - never before was the majority (at least nominally) the sovereign
even the French Revolution quickly reverted
>>53040561
>triggered
The only notable book written in the Belgian region is a medieval manuscript about a furry that rapes women, and pisses in the eyes of children to blind them for life.
>>53043376
It may (or may not be) a weird formation but it's not unique in a way it interacts with a writer. 'It's not communist enough' and 'It's not Victorian enough' both mean you have to alter your book for better or for worse. 'I'm not sure it would sell well' means that too.
>>53043165
In term of "tradition", it's quite weak. Disregarding the Middle-Age, Germany doesn't really have a very long literary tradition.
It is even more true for Russia by the way, these two nations have hardly any huge literary corpus before the XVIIIth
>>53043820
BIG ENGLISH TRADITION
>>53043976
it is impressive I unironically give you that
