Donald Trump has real chances of win?
>>53011297
All the candidates fucking suck anyways, including Hillary and Trump.
>>53011297
Apparently so. We're gonna have another fucking meme president and there isn't a dick we can do about it. Now all we can do is sink to the bottom of the shit barrel with the rest of our country.
>>53011297
I want trump to win
>>53011297
The owners of this country will not allow it.
>>53011297
Maybe of winning the Republican nomination, but most analysts say he has horrible chances (if any) of winning a general election.
>>53011420
Why?
>>53011573
Incredible endless shitstorm
>>53011570
I think he could beat Bernie, but I don't know about Hillary.
No.
Perhaps if Hillary wasn't running, there's a possibility. But unless she is behind bars over her server (not happening), Trump is out of the game.
>>53011570
that's what people are ignoring
he may speak to the idiot nationalist base the republicans have been cultivating but he has no chance of attracting anyone that doesn't fall within that group and that's not how you built a majority
>>53011297
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>>53011297
I can imagine him winning like this:
>the far-right loves him and the center-right is too disillusioned to vote for anyone.
>He wins the republican nomination because the center-right stays home.
>he instantly starts distancing himself from his past extremist rhetoric and positions
>the press calls him out for flip-flopping
>he's honest, blunt, and cavalier about it
>"yeah, I took a far-right position when I was running for the republican nomination. That's how you win the republican nomination. If I was running as a democrat, I'd have taken a far left position. That's how this thing works."
>"but Mr. Trump. Isn't that dishonest"
>"yeah. it probably is, but that's just how politics are."
>people are refreshed by his honesty and impressed by his audacity.
>a team of advisers pick a slew of centrist positions that will appeal to the most voters.
>He runs in the general election as a politician with boring policy platforms, and an exciting personality.
>POTUS Trump makes America great again.
>>53011570
The same analysts that said he'd never run, never poll well, and never win the nomination.
Hillary's reanimated corpse can't beat a fully operational Donal Trump.
>>53011833
Trump's base consists largely of Independents, blacks and Democrats.
He's already won.
Real chances?
That's not even the question
There's a new article about him every damn hour of the day, you don't even hear about the other ones.
He doesn't have a chance to win, he's going to win.
>>53012543
He's about to actually start spending money too.
I would be very suprised if he didnt get the GOP nomination at this point. the real question is if he has a chance against Hillary
either way I think it will be an entertaining campaign and no matter the outcome shitloads of high quality memes are bound to come out of it either at the expense of the US in the case of Clinton and a mixture of ironic and unironic praise in the case of Trump
either way the US and by extension the world is fucked, enjoy the ride!
>>53012177
I can totally see this happening to be honest. He seems like he's purposefully pandering to the far right just for the numerical backing. I can see him shifting to a more centralized moderate rhetoric exactly like that once in the general election to secure centrist voters and probably end up in a moderate right position should he win, with a few toned down takes on his more extreme right ideas to placate his initial support base.
>>53011297
Yes.
He's a populist that appeals to the common man and average American that's sick of our government bending down to foreign people by giving them free shit while many native citizens have to work two jobs to live comfortably.
The primary reason that he's painted a devil by the media and liberals is that he has no "politically correct" word filter - he says everything exactly as it is - no matter how uncomfortable or unpleasant it may be. Feelings will get hurt, but that's just life.
>>53012597
I'm pretty positive Hillary can't beat Trump, especially Trump.
I think she can maybe beat Rubio and Cruz, and definitely Yeb, but not Trump.
I wouldn't be surprised if it came down to a 60-65% sweep for Trump, desu senpai
>>53012638
See, the thing is that Trump's entire campaign is based on centrist/moderate policies that promote American growth and moderate protectionism, he just hasn't played up those cards too much because he hasn't needed to.
Once we switch to general campaigning you'll see what Trump really has in store, and I think it's enough to ruin the Democrats for the future, assuming the GOP is smart enough to adopt Trump's platform, which they aren't.
They might not have a choice though.
>>53012597
im FAR more concerned that Cruz has even a tiny modicum of support. that guy is literally batshit insane
>>53012719
Cruz is a constitutional conservative, and really smart, he just doesn't have good people skills.
He's a good guy, but he's too much of a lawyer, so just stick him on the supreme court where he belongs.
>>53012638
>I can totally see this happening
this will happen to some degree regardless of who wins. Bernie, Hillary, Trump, Jeb, etc. Any of them would shift toward the center (at least a little) after the party nomination. That's just what happens.
I hope he wins and will go with Putin well. I don't want WWIII to happen because of warmongering Turks.
>>53012719
Did u see his "strap on your full armor of GOd" command to his underlings? Kinky af tbhdesu
>>53011297
SO FUGGN EXCITE FOR TRUMP TO WIN IN 2016
SHILLARY OUT
>>53012597
What happend to carson? Wasent he also polling high?
>>53012715
But isn't he too far right to get Latinos and blacks voting for him? Isn't that what actually is always in favor of the democrats recently? I'd like to see trump become president, but I am a bit afraid the guy will make some dumb move and put the world into chaos.
>>53012871
Trump arsoned him
>>53012760
I want Hillary to win, so you'll have your first female president.
Then Cruz in the next election, first Hispanic president.
So you'd have a nigger ex president, a woman, a spic and you'd just need a muslim and a chink to complete the combo.
And a faggot, I mean gay. Perhaps a gay Muslim.
>>53012932
No, what happened? did he say something very stupid? Or did people realize he's a bluenegro?
>>53012871
He was never a serious contender, and is also kinda also batshit.
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and his ex wife IVANA and daughter IVANKA in cabinet posts. They are both very smart.
Plus his wife is beautiful. Trump is stronk. I feel that he would take care of US and also be more respected by other leaders from other nations. This is what I read on here, as well.
>>53012778
>Trump winning would actually allow for a possibility that America and Russia could be friendly
Please God let Trump win this.
>>53013003
He only good with Trump winning is that your status as a great power will fail. Fuck the states mate :^)
>>53012871
it was a mixture of the rise of trump and him revealing that he knows a pathetically small amount about foreign policy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/12/15/one-word-explains-the-collapse-of-ben-carson/
he said at a debate that the Chinese were operating in Syria. even you average /int/ autist knows how completely fucking wrong that is, and this guy was a high profile politician. I actually liked him but the GOP debate caused me and most of his supporters to lose faith in him
>>53012927
His policies appeal to all Americans.
Don't think of it in terms of left vs right, or via the compartmentalizing of minorities. Trump wins because his platform is America first, and Americans like that, all Americans.
Also, Trump doesn't make dumb moves, everything he does and says is strategically calculated for some purpose. He manipulates both his linguistic skills and the media to further his message, and most importantly his branding.
Pay attention to his rallies and you can see how he's been building himself up in 1 very particular way, which is a huge tell for some future event, and that's to his extraordinary health and stamina, whereas he's been picking at Hillary's health and stamina a bit. No doubt he's aware of some major health problem she has or had, and is setting himself up to be the only logical choice based on sheer ability to serve once he starts dropping the bombs of her illness.
If anyone out there thinks Hillary can beat Trump, or that Trump isn't a hyper genius, then you're nuts. He's playing a very elaborate game here, and he's doing it all with his greatest skill, which is branding.
Donald Trump is the kind of guy who could topple a world leader with just a label, the same way he did to Jeb.
>>53013098
I think that's pretty funny considering Trump gets duped just as easily on questions and then he goes on Twitter and tells everyone that they were GOTCHA questions to make him look bad.
>>53012995
Carson cannot into national security and foreign diplomacy. Trump can, and he demonstrated as much.
Carson is just too nice.
>>53012952
Hillary won't win.
>>53013098
Oh, i see. Yes, that truly showed that hes not fit to rule the big (shitty) military of the states.
>>53011297
>be me
>be donald trump
>have lots of "friends" from across the globe
>shit on muslims and tell mexicans to fuck off and build a wall because "muh-muh merica"
>tell people my "friends" are all okay with it
>actually have no friends
>actually only have people who are nice to me because of all of the money I have and in a heartbeat I know that they would take whatever money they can from me
>call people ignorant when called on my bullshit
>have a bunch of fat idiots online who support me because I am a meme machine
You are literally an idiot if you support Donald Trump.
>inb4 what ever reddit
>nigger
>beaner
>muslim
I am none of those things I am Donald Trumo.
>>53012496
>blacks
I thought blacks in american always voted 95% democrat or something like that
>>53013296
They used to vote Republican before that.
All things must come to an end, and blacks love Trump.
>>53013254
nigger beaner Muslim detected, go back to reddit.
>>53011297
No, if he wins the republican nomination he basically guarantees the democratic win
>>53013381
Do they hate Mexicans that much? Fuck. Motherfucker is pitting brown people against each other.
He will likely win the republican nomination. No one can guess what will happen in the general election. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional. Awhile ago, Trump had no chance of winning the nomination according to the media. Then his campaign was definitely over because he said mean things about people. Now they say he definitely can't win the general election. It's just keeps happening.
>>53011407
You should be used to meme presidents by now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCm9788Tb5g
>>53013640
This man would have been a great talk show host, but not the president.
>>53013605
Blacks really hate Mexicans, but they hate illegals and Muslims even more.
Even the Hispanics like Trump, because they too hate Muslims, and want him to bring back jobs.
>>53013476
Show proofs.
Trump's base steals from the Democrat base, and nobody likes/trusts Hillary.
>>53013605
http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/minorities-line-up-behind-donald-trump/
>Because a new poll, which still has Trump leading the race, shows 40 percent of blacks are lining up behind Trump, as are 45 percent of Hispanics, and even nearly 19 percent of Asians.
>Blacks and Hispanics, in fact, even support Trump at a higher level than whites.
>>53013607
I'm giving him an 89% chance at winning.
90% chance to win the nomination, and 99% chance to win the general.
Hillary is a hilariously weak candidate, and will have dozens of anchors around her neck going into the general, including Obama, emails, Benghazi, her defense of a pedophile rapist, whitewater, her husband, Bernie's popular support, national security, the clinton foundation, and her personality.
Trump can easily stick a knife in her back with each and every one of those things, and him having almost no personal scandals will walk away with the presidency.
>>53013777
trips confirm
>>53013672
>blacks hate muslims
I thought they sympathised with them. Even heard a lot of them convert when they go to jail for some bizarre reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrmAb2cPRto
>>53013183
Which ones exactly?
The Nuclear Triad question was pointless because we effectively don't have one anymore. It's mostly sub based.
I don't think he needed to know exactly what they meant. Why would a businessman know about something that hasn't been relevant since 1985?
>>53013842
Nobody likes Muslims.
>>53013873
Liberals and Eurocucks do.
>>53013910
They aren't people.
No, it's already planned Clinton wins
>>53013873
That's not true. I'm pretty sure muslims like muslims. Everyone else does seem to at least dislike them a bit, though... from christians and jews to hidus and chinese
>>53011297
I wish. he is savior of minority persecuted by liberals
>>53012543
The thing is, these elections aren't really democratic. Even if entire United States wanted Trump he wouldn't win if the people who decide this stuff have different plans.
>>53013672
>Trump's base steals from the Democrat base
He really doesn't. Even my family that's nominally republican dismisses him as a dick they'd not want as president.
>and nobody likes/trusts Hillary.
Yes, but I see so many people claim "I don't like Hilary but if it came down to her and Trump I guess I'd have to vote Hilary..."
Trump is good at rousing a loud and sizeable minority but he simply pisses off the majority of Americans.
>>53013672
>Blacks really hate Mexicans
mind: blown
>>53013953
>That's not true. I'm pretty sure muslims like muslims.
they sure kill the fuck out of each other though.
>>53013865
That interview with CNN where he couldn't answer which groups or people were in play in the Middle East.
Names you could pick up watching TV like Al-Baghdadi or Hezbollah.
Couldn't talk about a single one.
After that he went and proclaimed that if elected he would know more about them than anyone in the US because the point after you're elected is the best time to learn about it, right?
His answer to the nuclear triad question was him going nuclear weapons are very important because nuclear weapons are very important. It doesn't matter because you'll suck his dick anyways. Vote for your clown.
>>53014026
Not that surprising. They probably compete for low-paying jobs, and are a bigger threat to them than they are to middle-class white people
>>53014071
I am only voting for him because every other option is worse or comparable, but not as funny.
Lol, no...
>>53014073
capitalism once again divides the poors between themselves. I'm proud of you America
>>53014119
>but not as funny
You're voting for the president of the US.
>>53013997
The Democrat base is largely blue collar and black.
Trump's base has huge numbers from both blacks and blue collar workers, even Hispanics.
Nobody is going to vote for Hillary when it comes down to it, you just wait and watch what Trump does over the next 11 months.
If you think I'm wrong then go ahead and identify a single part of the Democrat base that Hillary can mobilize that Trump won't eat into big time. Even single hysterical women are up for grabs if he makes a convincing case over national security.
Hillary is literally the worst candidate you can run against Trump
>>53014179
Right, but when all of the candidates are shit, you might as well get a laugh out of it. No sense in letting a good meme go to waste by having some crone like Hillary be the president.
>>53014071
>Trump can't answer trivia questions you can learn the answers to in less than 30 seconds
>BTFO TRUMP IS DISQUALIFIED FROM THE PRESIDENCY
Tell me you have something better than this.
I'm not electing wikipedia to the presidency, I'm electing a decision maker that can effectively delegate.
>>53014270
Did you hear? Obama personally disqualified Trump from being president.
>>53014127
Mexicans aren't Americans, so you're not really dividing anyone this time.
>>53014127
>divides the poor
good. The worker's party here finally managed to unite the poor under the banner of socialist welfare, and secured themselves in power for over a decade. Now after 15 years of crippling corruption and a broken economy, the poor are finally starting to become less trusting of gommies again. There's no utopia, m8.
>>53014194
Nice bait. Minorities will never vote for the GOP. Hillary will get 75% of the spic vote and 90% of the nigger vote as all democrats get
>>53014305
>Obama
>best possible scenarios
1. Obama passes instant law thing that allows him to be President for third term
2. Bernie Sanders, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz
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9001. Donald Trump
not allowed to happen otherwise suicide: Hilary Clinton
>>53014368
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/262462-obama-aide-trumps-comments-disqualify-him-from-presidency
TRUMPFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>53014363
Black voters aren't going to show up to the polls for her like they did Obama. Blacks won't be a deciding factor for either side in this election.
>>53014363
They'll vote for Trump :^)
Trump is literally putting together the coalition that the GOP has been saying they need, and he's doing it by ignoring minority issues and putting forth a platform that strengthens America for all Americans, and people like that.
Get ready for a rectal ragnarok the likes of which we've never seen this time next year.
>>53014401
>wanting a third bongo term
This is the most autistic thread I've ever seen. No, Eurofriends, Trump is not really winning. Hillary probably will win. You may see Trump run as an independent against a Rubio or Cruz type guy, leading to hilarious hillary landslide. Don't listen to the fucking spergs in this thread
>>53014401
>Jeb Bush
Yeb please
Fuck no, mr Clinton will have the power again
>>53014484
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/upshot/donald-trumps-strongest-supporters-a-certain-kind-of-democrat.html?_r=0
http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/unthinkable-look-who-is-trump-biggest-base-of-supporters/
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12/31/part-of-trumps-base-and-lefts-worst-nightmare-disaffected-democrats/
>People in this thread literally think this race isn't already over
Can't wait for the tears
>>53014349
that's because your 'socialist welfare' follows liberal ideology and is corrupted. These problems can be adressed.
Even Cuban Ted Cruz will cuck him
>>53011297
Hopefully
>>53011297
he does
he's re-creating what happened with Reagen
>>53014546
I know a few people who voted for Obama and support Trump. A lot Trump naysayers seem disconnected from reality. The only people not supporting Trump are butthurt SJWs and the media. Even Fox News shits on him.
>>53014649
I voted for Obama in 08 and I'm voting Trump.
Obama really fucking blew it bigtime. Nobody trusts a word he says anymore outside of the clinically deluded remnants of the Democrat base.
>>53013221
your mum was well fit to take me (shitty) lefska into her lutefisk, Abdul ben-Assylum Seeker
Can some non facist gringo Could tell me when the primary republican elections to decide Cruz as presidential candidato will?
>>53013476
keke Hillary's campaign has been a disaster so far and everyone hates her, especially anyone over 20
>>53011297
Yes, because there are many racists in the US.
>>53014598
>follows liberal ideology
it compromised with "liberal ideology" under extreme duress, and that's the reason we still even have something that resembles an economy today. The only government in LATM that didn't even attempt to follow liberal ideology at all is Venezuela. There's a 3-hour line to buy toilet paper there.
Far-left ideology is retarded. It takes actually witnessing it up close to understand why. That's why most polish and latin american posters here are kind of right-wing or at least pro-capitalism now. Socialism, not even once
>>53014697
>voting
>>53014026
they do
Mexicans gentrify black neighborhoods and take all their jobs leaving them in a sorry state, not to mention crime-wise Mexican gangs are far more effective and less murder happy.
>>53014401
>Ted Cruz
no, the man is hilariously insane. not even your average christian believes the shit he spews
>Jeb Bush
the man begs for money on twitter on a daily basis, nothing against him really but he doesnt have a chance in hell
>bernie sanders
no, he wants to put a size 2 shoe on a size 13 foot. he desperately wants to please everyone and all of the shit he plans on doing has no chance of actually being implemented. I can see why he appeals to teenage and college age people but the fact that he only ever quotes rich nordic countries as examples of socialistic policy working and conveniently ignores all the times where it failed just doesnt jive with me
>obama for a third term
he hasnt been the worst we have had but wanting to change the law just to keep him in power makes me think this is a troll post
>>53014649
All the media shits on him. He drinks in their butthurt and grows stronker, guy is so much win.
MSN shills so hard against him. Douches.
>>53011297
no because loldemocratvoterfraud
>>53011297
Not really. He only appears strong since the other candidates are so weak.
He might take the Republican nomination, but it just guarantees that the Democrats will win if he does.
I'm not worried about him anymore, though I'm not much more excited about a President Hillary, she'll at least maintain the status quo. Trump probably doesn't know what the word status quo means.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/22/what-grade-level-does-donald-trump-speak-at-new-analysis-claims-to-have-answer/
>>53012496
Every black is democrat.
Prove me wrong.
>Protip: you can't m8
>>53012496
[citation needed]
>>53014840
Speaking at a lower grade level means he reaches the largest audience.
>>53014815
lies, blacks Dont work
>>53014851
>Who is Ben Carson?
>Who is Herman Cain?
>>53014880
http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/minorities-line-up-behind-donald-trump/
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/upshot/donald-trumps-strongest-supporters-a-certain-kind-of-democrat.html?_r=0
>>53014897
The only audience he has any chance of reaching can't operate at much higher than a 4th grade level
I spend a lot of time talking politics on Facebook, and I can usually tell someone is a Trump supporter just by their grammar and spelling. These people literally talk about other people needing to learn their language when they can barely speak it themselves and have had their entire lives to learn it.
>>53011679
This. Just fuck the world.
>>53014968
>I spend a lot of time talking politics on Facebook
And I spend a lot of time discussing politics with Australians.
>>53013672
>Hispanics like Trump
Have you ever been outside? Hispanics hate Trump
>>53015016
2bh you don't live there m8
>>53014796
Well, I know that liberalism is impregnable.
we are like Orpheus and we do not want to look back but we will eventually have to
We blacks, hispanos,woman, muslism, and handiccaped ppl will fuck you up humpty trumpty
>>53015016
Illegals don't vote outside of California
>>53014968
>I spend a lot of time talking politics on Facebook
you just outed yourself as a retard
>>53011570
This. He may be able to get half the votes in the Republican circle-jerk, but he's gonna lose all the middle voters and even some of the Republicans to Hillary if he gets nominated.
>>53014840
>"theblaze.com"
>>53015016
maybe if I still had a job I would know
>>53015040
Wrong again cleetus
>>53015067
>website.domainname
>>53015030
>What's dual citizenship
dumb nigger
>>53015052
>Sweden
>>53015033
I know how you feel, but we're yet to find something better than liberalism. Because Socialism isn't it. Even conservativism makes more sense at this point, and that's probably why your elections went the way they did
>>53015040
>Only the illegals hate him
Nice meme bro
>>53014546
this is the exact same thing that happened with Ronald Regan, democrats abandoned the party in droves and he built a massive base off of that wide support.
>>53011679
four years of constant memes
>>53014938
>http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/minorities-line-up-behind-donald-trump/
According to this, out of a measely 447 people surveyed, 4 black people supported Trump, which means they only interviewed 10 black people in the first place.
This poll is shit. I'm not even bothering to read your other source if this is what you post. You'll believe anything that tells you what you want to hear apparently.
Just like all the other Trump supporters. It amazes me that you people think you make any sense.
>>53011297
I think the Republican party would be making a huge mistake to make him the nominee.
TRUMP LIVE RALLY
GET IN HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCx3tSWtyFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCx3tSWtyFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCx3tSWtyFI
>>53015104
rude. How am I supposed to know you're not some random brit who's never been to america?
Jesus Christ, between Hilary and Trump....
Realised how based Obama is. He's probably the only good president you've had since Reagan.
>>53015135
Why don't ya fack off for once?
Sweden is cool, except when they're not.
>>53015015
>>53015048
Yeah, it's kind of a shit hobby, but not any different than talking politics on 4chan sooooo..
On Facebook I feel like people take it a little more seriously. They're retarded, but they say what they truly believe. On 4chan I know half of you are just trying to "lololol trool" me.
>>53015169
DEMOCRAPS BTFO
ALL 4 BLACKS LITERATE ENOUGH TO PARTICIPATE IN A POLL ARE VOTING TRUMP
IT'S OGRE
>>53014840
I dont give a fuck if he says GOO GOO GAA GAA as long as he leads the country well, breh.
>>53015165
Yup, it's happening again and everyone is in denial.
>>53011833
>>53015052
>liberals on suicide watch
>>53015067
>I'm not going to read the poll, I'll just ignore it based on who posted it because "durr liberal/conservative media"
>what is ad hominem
>>53015239
You think he'll lead the country well? Let me guess, you like his "spunk" or his "straight talk" but probably can't tell me a fucking thing about his positions? Can you name any of his actual policy positions?
Have fun voting with emotions, facts are hard anyway.
>>53015148
Well, conservatism is literally opposed to liberalism; but none of the parties in France are close to be conservatist, right and left fully embraced liberalism, and the far-right is only having votes because of their socialists views and its opinion on immigration.
Both orthodox marxists and liberals think that we have to develop the productive forces
>>53015191
Rand>Carson>Cruz>Bernie>Trump>Shillary
American politics is a joke
>>53015280
what poll? i was just commenting on the name of the source..."theblaze.com". literally, who.
>>53015280
I just like him. That's more than I can say for any other candidate. Plus, he's a fantastic businessman, and he's respected by other world leaders. So...I'm voting for him and I'm taking your mom out for fish fingers after I go to the polls.
>>53015239
HE'S A FUCKING MEME
>>53015405
Everything is a meme. News at 11.
>>53015286
> the far-right is only having votes because of their socialists views and its opinion on immigration
news to me. I thought it was because of their stance on immigration
>Both orthodox marxists and liberals think that we have to develop the productive forces
As far as I'm aware, liberals are generally pro-market and therefore opposed to marxists, even though most nowadays have some socialist leanings. Marxists are just lunatics, though, and have a very clear tendency of ruining any economy they put their hands on.
>>53015395
>respected by other world leaders
Please be b8
>>53011297
Yes he even has the black vote
>>53015405
>>53015468
*JUST because of their stance on immigration
>>53015395
>>53015239
>image.jpg
>>53015491
>JUSTO
>>53015280
Trump's policies boil down to an isolationist moderate protectionism.
Most of his campaign is run on emotion though, because that's what gets votes.
Trump's platform in a nutshell is: "Is it good for America? Yes? I'm doing it"
It's really not complicated.
>>53015286
Liberalism is supposed to mean things like "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness". I dunno when it became about "we should pretend guns don't exist and put everyone on welfare"
>>53015321
Meant to say analysis. I'm drunk and words are hard. Maybe Trump and I have more in common than I realized.....
>>53015395
You know, you're at least willing to admit that you're too fucking stupid to do any research. There might actually be hope for you. And I hope you and my mom have a nice time getting fish fingers, that made me kek.
>>53015507
y-you too
>>53015265
that's a good thing
it will force the democrats to re-analyze their priorities
>>53015476
>he thinks uncle ron would've wanted this
GAS YOURSELF SHILL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezg9jUY_K10
>>53015518
Liberalism is focused on State power
the "liberties" offered by the US constitution are nice, but ultimately all aimed at promoting the state rather than providing a wide base for freedom.
taking away guns and putting people on life support only serves to secure the power of the state over that of citizens.
>>53015582
Ron's choice can't win.
>>53011297
Americans who support any of the mainstream political candidates are idiotic and deserve to be thrown out of a helicopter into the ocean.
>>53015596
the costitution should prevent something like that from happening, though, by limiting the power of the State
>>53015596
I dunno man. It doesn't always happen that way.
Freedom is dangerous, but I think it can win. I feel like the government can do more than just "get out of the way" though.
>>53015638
Also this.
>>53015638
The constitution's sole purpose is to limit the power of the state by designating the powers that the state is limited to.
Of course, nobody actually goes by the constitution anymore, so it's perverted and corrupted to fit the state as it is.
>>53015622
>>53015307
>carson>anybody
are you clinically retarded?
>>53015468
Capitalism is an utopia: the auto-regulated market (free competition) and procedural law are the only institutions that are allowed to exist in a world without ideology-driven government of men, but now governed by the technical administration of things on a neutral axiology, dicted by experts. every limitation that opposes to one's desires is seen as a discrimination (slapping a child now equals to beating him). it just wants people to be only consumerists.
since every source of authority is criticised, the individual has more trouble finding limitations and taboos.
Kanye 2020
>>53011297
Literally why Plato said Democracy is a shitty fucking system. Something this retarded would never fucking happen in China, which is now the world's biggest economy and will eventually replace the US as the world power.
>>53015877
Some of these problems are possibly self-correcting, though. Just look at this thread and all the crazy /pol/llacks it spawned from thin air. There's a legitimate counter-culture movement going on, and a lot of these things are going to be rolled back. Conservativism ins't going away as easily as people thought it would. Old western values (that dictate traditional values, taboos and limitations) will endure.
We're not going back to the XIX century, but I think some sort of compromise will be reached. Cultural Marxism will not be universally achieved
>>53016169
You should move to China and embrace their communist dictatorship then
>>53016169
Die Communist scum
>>53015622
The 'murrican political system is rigged in favour of the established parties and their carbon copy candidates. Sometimes a wild card like Trump can upset the balance, but the way it's set up, such a wild card will only hand the victory to the other established party.
>>53011745
>people actually believe this
I know they're pretty much worthless but nearly every general election poll bernie decimates trump by far.
>>53016169
>hina, which is now the world's biggest economy and will eventually replace the US as the world power.
laughing at how much of a moron you are.
China has FAR worse issues than the USA has ever had, they are just better at covering it up.
>>53016219
>>53016242
>Seriously supporting a system that's based on popularity rather than merit
If you really think the most qualified person to rule the world's biggest power is a fucking actor then stop stealing O2 and go kill yourself.
>>53014536
>>53014607
>>53014759
>>53014851
>>53015035
>>53015092
>future wall lickers
>>53016219
>>53016242
>china
>communist
More like a single-party beurocratic dictatorship. Too many iphone factories and rich people being alowed to openly accumulate wealth there for it to be considered a communist country anymore
>>53016342
he sure beat you dumb commies lmao
>>53016169
Do you know that they have huge riots every time and then?
With the so-called 'socialist market economy' (kek), China also introduced the liberation of morals in its walls; Now in China there wil be like in every other occidental country the farce between 'liberals' and 'conservatives'.
>>53016353
its completely fascist now in the literal sense of the word.
>>53016348
kekz
>>53016169
Good for the people > good for the economy
In every single instance
Which is why nobody likes communism
>>53016204
Yep, I know that liberalism is triumphant right now but as an ideology it has its own end in itself: it didn't appeared ex nihilo, thus some people stil are honest, loyal to the State, to the transmission of knowledge; this is the cultural limit. the material limit, well it's the earth's ressources. its saping its own bases.
But its improtant to think of what comes next;
socialism as it was applied in the XIX and XXth centuries had the same view as capitalism on growth
>>53011407
>tumblr filename
So who do you support, cuck?
>>53011570
>>53013794
I expect the fact that he raped his wife in the 90s will be brought up.
>>53016617
>growth
Well, no one's all that optimistic about growth now. I'm sure we'll attempt some environmental cointaiment for a while, especially when the oil craze ends and things slow down for good. Other than that, the model of productivity will likely remain mostly unchanged from our current liberal one. The liberal model will survive with scarcity, it will just generate more inequality but honestly it's better than the alternative. Just look at any third world country. If anything, non-liberal models work even less efficiently when it comes to handling scarcity. Again, just look at venezuela or north korea.
>>53017050
Ivana already denied it recently.
>>53016342
>China
>meritocracy
pick one
>>53016204
you say that we do not have to go back to yyth century shows that Progress also shapes your view on the world; the way we live right now cannot be sustained without making billions' lifes difficult (truism,,, I know).
If there's something I like in liberalism it is that its first aim (founder's goal) was to make men more free: freedom of religion, of speech etc.. today's laws on gays, I'm cool with it too.
But it leaves out the most fundamental discrimination, wealth inequality. Not that some inequality is bad (meritocracy is a good thing) but the actual levels should scandalize everyon
>>53015015
>>53013605
please don't listen to the fucking idiots taking you for a ride. Black people, or any minority for that matter, absolutely despise trump. His base is almost completely comprised of the type of people who would rather see blacks hung than live with them. Trump appeals to only the most bigoted, nationalistic, and uneducated of Americans.
>>53017213
yes, that's what charity is for, and by charity I mean welfare programs. Unless you're going full police-state, you need some level of wealth redistribution or else you'll have bloody revolts. The bad thing with these programs currenty is that they are populist vote-buying policies and come attatched to a variety of other far-left idiocies.
It's hard to say what kind of system would work best. Maybe democracy is unsustainable after all, but liiberalism is still salvageable I think
>>53017052
It can't be stopped anymore in my opinion, cop21 was a farce and eventually shit will hit the fan when water will be scarce, whilst people will realise - I hope so - that far-right manipulated their fears for power and start doing some change on the political field (like ending the representative system).
I also hope that with the next economic crisis, some changes will be made (the ideas of Silvio Gesell on depreciating money).
I don't see liberalism as the only horizon for dealing with scarcity; the philosophy that gave birth to it is indeed a pessimist philosophy, where man is only driven by its rightly understood interest; trade, private companies aren't tied to liberalism, the roman empire dealt well with logistics
>>53017427
I thought as much. But it wouldn't surprise me if a high number of black voters went for Trump instead of, say, hillary or sanders(compared to the percentage that voted for Obama).
Trump is the most charismatic among those 3 and his flashines could appeal to some of them. Also, from my observations over the years, blacks appear to be on average less educated and sometimes as bigoted as whites in america.
>>53017440
Well you're quite agreeing with Piketty then, that tax, thus wealth redistribution coordinated by the state is the way to go; alas, with all the richs leaving for tax heavens (they do not feel it has a treason anymore since liberalism also criticise nation-states) and the stupid logic of 'you do not want to tax people that are investing duuh' this is hard to achieve.
And as I said it here >>53017493, liberalism reaches its limits on the political level: I think the representative system - which is a base of liberalism- is in crisis. So I dont see how you could one ideology end democracy without ending liberalism
>>53017493
Wouldn't Gesell be considered a liberal by most people on the left? I don't know much of his ideas 2bh
>>53017427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ICJFh_2sbk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etyJvT6t7So
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxf9WOM0540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOaEGQzFaPg
>>53011573
4 years of intense keks 2b had?
>>53017819
Well, in my mind he's close to Proudhon and the anarchists.
>>53017796
so...what? total war on tax havens? Tiny countries like luxemburg could have their days numbered after all, no need for us to go ww3 over this petty shit. I wouldn't support the creation of giant centralized abominations (like the EU becoming a country), and that wouldn't work either. Actual culturally-based nation-states would probably work best for everyone
>: I think the representative system - which is a base of liberalism- is in crisis. So I dont see how you could one ideology end democracy without ending liberalism.
I don't know either, but I'm sure it will have to happen. Liberalism is too ingrained into people's beings now. Trying to get rid of it completely is just as naive as a libertarian trying to completely get rid of socialist policies
>>53018160
indeed, war on tax heavens, boycott, something that works (transparency for companies, boycott of subsidiary company dealing with tax heavens and resolving the problem of tax opitmization)
Well I mean the end of liberalism as a dominant ideology, sure it will remains and still have a lot of effect.
well im tired, gn, it was fun
>>53018431
same. Nice talking to you
>>53018160
>war on tax havens
You aren't doing any good with the money you already collect and your solution to your failure is to take more.
>>53018160
>>53018431
>war on tax heavens
f-fuck off
>>53018902
I guess the solution we proposed there is further control over one aspect of capitalism. Not really a socialist, lad, but even I recognize capitalism has it's limitations. The tax and redistribution, to me personally, are mostly charity. If you want to be cynical about it, think about it this way: give up the rings so you can keep your fingers
>>53019006
kek. you're like a bank on a beach pretending to be a country. I wish I lived there 2bh
>>53015622
This.
Any Republicuck that doesn't support based Rand deserves to be castrated without anesthesia.
>>53011297
No, he doesn't. The electoral system we have basically guarantees it.
>>53016169
>criticizing democracy while praising China's rigidity
>unironically doing this through a medium designed for free speech
kys
>>53019237
explain further
>>53019259
First off, there are 2 parts to a Presidential election:
1) primaries
2) general election
The primaries are where each party (i.e. it's members) vote amongst themselves to choose who will represent the party in the general election. People can also run as non-partisan independents, but it's not common and they have no chance of winning in a general election.
The primaries are actual way more convoluted than the general election and a portion of the delegates vote independent of the results in each state.
Basically Trump is fucked because the core of the Republican party hates him, so even if he gets a lot of the primary vote, the party will still try to block him from becoming the nominee. Doing so could backfire and he could run as an independent, undercutting the actual Republican candidate and handing the election to Clinton.
There's a lot more to it than that, but that the really simplified version.
>>53019426
so basically the question of him actually making it is if his own party hates him hard enough to guarantee a victory for the opposing party?
>>53019426
Is there really zero chance of the republicans accepting him as the nominee?
>>53019468
Short answer: Yes.
Longer answer: There is a chance that he will win enough states in the primaries to make it so that the Republican Party has no choice but to nominate him. I wouldn't say there's a good chance of that happening, but the possibility does exist. If that happens though, the party will basically be required (if they want to survive longer term) to run an establishment candidate as an independent just to maintain the party's "brand" so to speak. The problem for the Republican establishment right now is that they aren't centered behind any one candidate, and the options they have still trail well behind at least two anti-establishment candidates (Trump and Cruz).
>>53019587
It's no absolutely zero, but there is no way they nominate him unless they have no other choice. That is to say, he will only get the nomination if he does significantly enough better than the other candidates that the delegate math can't be fucked with enough to make up the gap.
But even if he's not the nominee and he still does well in primary voting, he could run as an independent and take votes away from whoever the actual Republican nominee is.
>>53019689
I see. I don't mind the Trump memes, but it's nice to have an informative answer once in a while. Thanks
/thread
>>53019628
seems like the biggest mistake was the republican party actually letting things get to a point where the majority of their voting base no longer prefers their chosen candidates indicating a serious need on their part to change strategy
something similar happened in our politics only with all traditional parties ignoring an increasingly larger number of the population in favor of presenting the voting base with their own type of candidates.
It resulted in a minor party led by a popular figure with a relatively controversial set of ideas to essentially overnight dominate the political landscape
>>53014697
>I voted for Obama in 08 and I'm voting Trump.
me2
>>53019587
>>53019468
The closest analog to Trump is Ross Perot. He ran as a conservative independent in 1992 and as the Reform Party candidate in 1996 and both times he drew a considerable number of votes away from the Republican nominee. Hew achieved this because he is super wealthy and mostly self-financed his campaigns and knew how to play the media.
>>53019810
Your first statement there is absolutely correct. Basically high level Republican strategy did not evolve to meet the changing preferences and attitudes of the electorate and now they are paying the price for it.
>>53019426
>the core of the Republican party hates him
You mean the people that 3/4 of the Republican base would gladly lynch for completely betraying them?
Ooh I'm shaking, what will Trump do without the support of the people everyone hates?
>>53019876
in a way they are lucky that your country has only two "true" parties
in many other nations this sort of strategy could and would result in a splinter party being created that actually had a realistic shot at permanently supplanting them in importance
>>53019876
The electorate wants the stuff Trump is talking about, so I guess the GOP is gonna get it even if they don't want it.
>>53019920
The Republican establishment isn't necessarily a majority of the Republican base but they are definitely a plurality, and the other factions don't agree with the establishment or while each other. And since our system only requires a plurality, being a dominant majority isn't necessary.
You're right though that there is a significant anti-establishment movement within the party, or you could even argue there are multiple anti-establishment movements.
At the end of the day, none of it bodes well for the Republican Party in Presidential elections.
>>53020012
The Republican establishment is what's holding the party back from actually winning presidential elections, because everyone hates them and wants them to go away forever because they've fucked up everything all the time.
Replace their terrible Democrat-lite policies with Trump's populist protectionist America first platform, on top of Hillary being the most miserably weak candidate in decades, and you've got yourself a recipe for success.
>>53020012
Does the Republican establishment not understand that literally everyone hates them?
I hope this election at least serves as a wakeup call to the political class that they can and will be held accountable by the people they supposedly represent.
>>53011679
I'm so for this
>>53020202
They probably understand, which is why they tried to sabotage Rand Paul early on by having his campaign managers indicted the day after he announced, and since Ron Paul has been the populist favorite recently, they ignored Trump because they viewed Rand as the real threat.
Sadly, Rand was born without charisma, so Trump quickly ran away with the lion's share of populist sentiment, as the establishment sat back and waited for his support to go to Rand so they could unleash the rest of their dirty tricks on him, but oops, that never happened, and now Trump is going to win the nomination.
gg no re
>>53019977
That could still actually happen here if the core of the Republican Party botches this election.
And the thing about our parties is that they are much more diverse in opinion and stances than parties in multiparty legislatures.
>>53019984
Could be. I'm just saying that either a Trump nomination or a Trump independent run basically guarantees a Democrat victory. A Trump nomination would necessitate an independent run by an establishment Republican, resulting in a split vote, and a Trump independent run would also result in a split vote. Basically the party hopes that he doesn't get the nomination AND he decides not to go independent. And that's just for starters. It goes beyond that when you really dive into the nitty-gritty electoral strategy details.
>>53020140
That's just false. The anti-establishment candidates have no chance of winning a presidential election because they drive away the middle-of-the-spectrum voters. It has been statistically proven that establishment candidates perform better in general elections.
>>53020552
It's the exact reason Barry Goldwater got blown the fuck out.
>>53020464
I don't think the establishment has the support or the interest to launch a split vote run, and if they did they would basically give up control of the party from then on, as no one would ever trust them again.
No, it's going to be Trump, and nobody will actually go through with a 3rd party establishment run because they're a bunch of unlikable cucks with no friends.
Trump will get the nomination, more likely than not, and then bring out the gorillions of knives he's been sharpening for Hillary, slay her, and win with ease.
>>53020552
Reagan won by a hilarious amount, and he wasn't establishment. If you want to parade around Goldwater like it means anything, then I suggest you pick a guy who wasn't running against the incumbent that was sworn into office with the wife of our dead president at his side, and instead choose a less retarded example.
Trump is going to win, and he's going to win by a lot, because his platform is centered around the lower/middle class, while tossing a huge bone to businesses via tax cuts and lower regulations.
>>53020464
First of all, Trump is going to win the primary. Second, a republican candidate attempting to subvert that through running as an independent will not result in Trump and him getting a split vote. Nothing like that has ever happened in America's electoral history and it won't work now. Third, Trump is ahead in the polls relative to twice as many candidates as Hillary. Trump will win.
I say this completely unironically and with a great degree of confidence: Donald Trump will be America's next commander in chief.
>>53020625
The establishment would have to launch an independent bid if it wants to have a shot at saving what the party is today. Not doing so would guarantee multiple election cycles of huge losses.
And if you believe Trump has a legit shot at winning a general election, you truly have no clue about the electoral college or voting patterns in the US.
>>53020677
Pretty much every single strategist and expert on both sides of the aisle disagree with you. Trump could win the primary, but it's not extremely likely.
>>53020692
> you truly have no clue about the electoral college or voting patterns in the US.
Rather, the contrary.
>>53020677
Gonna screencap this so that you look like even more of a colossal retard in a few months.
>>53020692
The party as it is today sucks ass, and is hogging the good conservative values behind their wall of idiocy.
Nobody will be sad to see it go.
And yes, Trump will win, and he'll win by a lot. If you think he doesn't have an astonishingly high chance of winning the general then you're totally clueless as to his base of support, the peoples that turn out to vote for Democrats, and the mood of the country.
Enjoy getting BTFO so badly you'll need to get eyeballs in your asshole.
>>53020718
The ones that have predicted the race so accurately this year, right?
>>53020719
It's hilarious because you a) don't understand the electoral college at all and b) have not explained even the general manner in which you've arrived at your ludicrous conclusions.
>>53020718
He's ahead in the polls by like 10 points, and relative to like 6 other candidates.
Normalise that and he's crushing Hilary.
>>53020748
What about Trump being the next president of the United States do you think frustrates you so much at that deep down level?
>>53020759
Nice total non-argument nigger. You have not touched on electoral strategy or structure even once.
>>53020777
Romney only needed a small percentage more of the white vote to win. Trump already has that, and the Obama coalition doesn't give 2 shits about Hillary.
>>53020790
Your understanding of basic statistical measures is embarrassing.
>>53020777
Wow look at that neither have you.
Trump is an insanely popular candidate right now. The only people who are really against him are people stuck in their echo chamber with a handful of others who think reality agrees with them when they're actually the completely negligible minority.
Honest to God reason why one of Trump's slogans is 'the silent majority'. Average Americans just relate to him better.
>>53020807
You haven't presented an argument at all, just "le you don't get it mann!!!"
>>53020835
Go ahead and provide some citation for all of those claims.
>>53020847
Answer the question.
