Christianity >‘All things are three, and thrice is all:
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Christianity
>‘All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods; for, as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bounded by threes, for the end, the middle and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the Trinity’ - Aristotle 400 BC
>Yeah God is 3, the greeks had it right all along
Islam
>Say, "He God is One, God, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is He begotten, Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
- Sura 112,The Holy Qur'an
why do Christians pretend to be monotheists, Abrahamic?
the trinity does not make god polytheistic
it is god the jesus
it is god the holy spirit
it is god the father
it is not jesus the god
it is not holy spirit the god
it is not the father the god
something like this
>>52959648
>being retarded
>>52959919
Was the Holy Spirit watching when the Father was making the Son?
>>52960172
the father used the holy spirit to make the son
>>52960409
but what is the holy spirit
>>52960172
>>52960409
>being heretics
>[But those who say: 'There was a time when he was not;' and 'He was not before he was made;' and 'He was made out of nothing,' or 'He is of another substance' or 'essence,' or 'The Son of God is created,' or 'changeable,' or 'alterable'— they are condemned by the holy catholic and apostolic Church.]
>>52960409
is the holy spirit a nickname for the father's dick ?
"..until when even the stones and trees shall say 'there is a jew hiding behind me, come kill him!'"
>>52960491
>>52960586
holy spirit is basically divine inspiration since jesus said god will give it as long as you ask for it
so when people create works being inspired by god it is the holy spirit
>>52960688
>"Of those messengers, some of them We have caused to excel others, and there are some unto whom Allah spake, while some of them He has exalted in degree; and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty) and We supported him with the Holy Spirit."
—Qur'an, sura 2 (Al-Baqara), ayat 253 [8]
That's fine, but it says nothing about Jesus being god or his son. Saying that would mean Adam is the first "son" of God.
>>52960777
jesus is not god per se but a facet of god
this is considered heresy but basically if you take out the virgin birth miracles and resurrection thing it would make jesus not-a-part-of-god
>>52960920
All humans are a facet of God by that logic since God created Adam and all humans are his grandchildren
>>52960995
they can be, big difference
but according to dogma jesus did not have that choice, even if he did refuse right before he died he was resurrected anyway
>>52961060
>he was resurrected anyway
not found in any of the early scripts
and I'm not really sure what you mean or how is it different from Islamic beliefs.
>>52961185
the ability to not believe in god makes it so that we can deny god, jesus cannot because well he is jesus. that's the only difference
What's it like belonging to an ideology that falls apart if you look at it too hard?
Jesus was the last miracle
There is nothing too hard about that
>>52961964
>Jesus was the last miracle
>miracle is the same as being God incarnate
nice copout.
>>52962253
not god incarnate not all of god in one place
>>52962387
>not god incarnate not all of god in one place
refer to posted conversation here about Adam. That line of thought goes nowhere.
>>52961702
All religions and political ideologies fall apart if you look at them purely factually.
>>52962438
i already said no, refer to me since i am the same poster
jesus is not like adam because he is not directly made
adam can have the original sin but jesus can't
adam is casted out but jesus is returned
jesus is the ideological opposite of adam
>>52962677
>Adam is not directly made
so he is even more holy because he didn't have a human mother
>Original sin
Nonsense doctrine
>Jesus is returned
Everyone is returned after they die
>>52962834
>Everyone is returned after they die
no
>>52962834
doctrine is doctrine it doesn't have to make sense
and it is not a matter of more of less holiness, like i said, it is because jesus cannot be turned from god
the devil tried and he just gave up
>>52960688
so the spirit isnt even a person, its an idea/motivating force
>>52963202
yes, the holy spirit is basically the lasting impact of the divine
we cannot see god and jesus is resurrected but the holy spirit will always be here
>>52963202
the guy you're talking to is just saying shit that has no bearance to actual Christianity.
>>52959648
Who gives, christianity is just an invention made by commie jews in order to make romans go mad. Same as Judaism was an invention to rebel against the egyptians and so on
>>52960777
>there are literally muslims on /int/
no we're talking about the Lord, not your heathen god 'Allah'
So the holy spirit is a bird?
>>52967729
no difference , monkey
>>52959648
a god that man can understand is not a god
the holy spirit is the power of god, jesus isn't supposed to be worshipped as a god, therefore there is only one god
>>52960920
jesus is logos made flesh
logos is the word, in the begining when everything was being created, it was the word that created, things were 'spoken' into being
>>52969999
Truly the quads of a God
>>52969999
god the mysterious is just a christian thing
the greek gods are understood, this is how they provide the morals of life
>>52959648
Because Christians worship the one God who is three consubstantial and co-eternal hypostases of the same will.
>>52970234
There is a difference between a god that creates everything and a god that exists within that everything.
If this were a dnd game god would be the dungeon master, not something in the games pantheon
>>52969999
If you're going to platitude your own shit up into meaninglessness then why not follow another religion? There are plenty of mysterious "forces" and deities, if we want to have a conversation you must have some rigor.
>>52959648
christcucks are dumb
>>52970343
In Greece that is true but plenty of other pantheons have gods of creation and gods of natural forces and laws to a larger extent.
>>52970551
In Christianity God is the one, unique, uncreated origin of creation. I don't think that there are any European pagan faiths where you have that. Pagan philosophers as far as I know were never really that heavy into their gods the same way that Christian philosophers think about God.
There is also the case where pagan gods aren't really ineffable the same way that God is. They're more like superheroes tbch.
>>52970409
ive gone into this before, but basically, ive spent years (since i was a young teen, im a wizard now) looking into other religions. I was not brought up religious so i had no compulsion to 'rebel' against the status quo of my society.
Ive looked into edgy neopagan newagey stuff, looked into equally trendy but more authentic eastern ideas and philosophies.
You must understand there is a difference between religion and spiritualism. A religion is something for the masses, its a framwork by which the divine can be transposed into the day to day lives of commoners with out them needing to dedicate themselves to it. Its a sort of safety net for humanity. Not everything any religion says is true in the worldly sense, all religion change and adapt either intentionally or unintentionally. Whats important is the underlying mysticism, philosophy, and idea that they are built on.
Asceticism is the true spiritualism. If you want to come as close as you can to finding truth, you live as simple and humble a life as possible, and dedicate yourself to virtue, forsaking the material world.
Coming to that conclusion, i looked at all the different kinds of asceticism around the world. They are all decent and pretty much similar in various ways but i think the christian ascetics area best due to various philosophic and ideological seeds that happenstance caused christianity to inherit. There are no coincidences, everything is god, so you can not say an accidental infusion of something into christianity is just 'real' chance, it was all intentional, because everything is intentional, but what im saying is there doesn't have to be something we would perceive as 'supernatural' to justify a religion.
In all my learning of different ideas, i of course came to my own conclusions about the universe, and when i finally got around to looking into the actual underlying ideas of christianity beyond the protestant megachurches and hollywood representations, i realized it meshed
>>52959648
They're all three different aspects of Yahweh
The metaphor I remember is that the trinity are like the ears, tusks, and trunk of an elephant, and the elephant is Yahweh
>>52971243
>The metaphor I remember is that the trinity are like the ears, tusks, and trunk of an elephant, and the elephant is Yahweh
>>52971243
>christianity
>>52970803
How much LSD did you drop duronv that time?
>>52971706
Never done an illegal drug :^)
I have a medical condition that makes me get really spaced out and occasionally feel disconnected from my body though.
>>52959648
It's called the mystery of the Holy Spirit for a reason. You can only speculate.
>>52971922
>favela education
>>52959648
>because I don't understand something, it's wrong.
>>52972727
>understanding nonsense