Attention, you dirty polytheist Christcucks!
Was the Holy Spirit watching when the Father was making the Son?
holy spirit is only a thing after jesus was resurrected
hence the holy spirit is within us
damn euros
There is only one entity with 3 different aspects that mean different things
>>52939618
>dirty polytheist Christcucks!
finally someone who really understand christianism.
>Was the Holy Spirit watching when the Father was making the Son?
he prolly jerked off too
>we're all children of god
>god impregnated mary
>god got his daughter pregnant
Isn't that some sort of sin?
did god sin, lads?
>>52939618
fun fact: in the original bible it says "young woman" instead of "virgin woman". It was a translation mistake.
t. Atheist who read a Richard Dawkins book about this
>>52939737
the virgin birth makes it so that whatever is born is not begotten of sin
ie, the mary thing must be or else this god becomes a hellenic god
>>52939737
It's not sin when God does it.
>>52939778
>It was a translation mistake
do you think it was a mistake? I doubt it since for the church, sex is a sin for itself, I think the Bible was edited to make it fit the prudish Catholic dogma
>>52939886
So its ok to get your kids pregnant as long as you don't fuck them?
>>52939886
Multiple solutions to this problem were offered, all of them declared heresy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoptionism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
I know this because of crusader kings.
>>52939985
Scientist's daoughter volunteers for an experiment where said scientist artificialy inseminates her with an artificial sperm.
Is it illegal?
>>52940106
I see no problem as long as the sperm isn't from the scientist, the child wouldn't be his
>>52939618
>believing in mythology
God the creator is the only God.
>>52939618
it is because the Greeks shaped the religion. they worshipped men for so long they turned Christ's teachings into men-religion too.
>>52939985
yes, since it was the last thing god did
to make the interventionist vengeful god of the chosen people into the new testament god he had to do the very last thing, a true intervention
jesus establishes the last covenant
>>52940209
Ok, so interbreeding is all fine and dandy but now i have another question
if god doesn't intervene with anything any more why do people still still pray?
>>52940363
they pray for their own deliverance, ie make me strong in my own faith
not for intervention
>>52940397
they pray to god to help themselves?
whats the point, why not just get on with it?
I'm not trying to catch you out, i'm just curious
Why do people forget Jesus had other jewish friends nearly as important than him? Saint John for example has a sacred day held in my city that moves hundreds of people to the streets every year.
>>52939927
Historically speaking, the church didn't really care much about sex until the Protestants showed up.
You have to remember, most of the Western "religious" morale came about from common people taking on the social rules of the nobility.
Only the nobles cared about chastity etc., in order to utilize the offspring of their children as political tools.
And then you got to the Victorian era, and sex became this evil vile thing that has been haunting Western culture ever since.
>>52940462
the point is to have faith because all of the proof is at the end, so no matter what happens in life as long as you believe in the end with god you will be okay
praying for the now is not-in-dogma
it's not that there isn't a point it's that the point is not about life but what is beyond it
>>52940532
victorian sex best sex
>>52940532
Adding to that, in ye olde days it was common in some families for the parents of both families to watch the newly wed couple fuck on their first wedding night, to ensure that the marriage had been properly sealed and the families could continue with whatever political/military plans they had attached to that specific marriage.
>religion literally found on cucking
CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>hello, gentlemen
>>52940202
>it is because the Greeks shaped the religion. they worshipped men for so long they turned Christ's teachings into men-religion too.
But that's true for Islam as well.
The Greek religion isn't that different from Christianity in that respect, there's the Creator God (granted in the religion of the Greeks he was dethroned) and then there's lesser beings which are so powerful they are Gods as well to the humans - in Abrahamic religions you call them Angels and Devils.
And then there's heroes - in Abrahamic religions you call them Prophets - they do the whole questing for God shtick just the same.
Whether you like it or not Greek religion had an influence on ALL Abrahamic religions.
>>52940538
Why can't we just go straight to that place?
Why are we in this middle ground?
>>52940724
you must go through the the trials of sin
it is bound to monotheism
it is a theological trick because it makes the historicism of jesus beyond mythology, or at least it is suppose to
so jesus dies for our sins but what sins? original sin? that's the old testament connection, so that's not concrete enough, it is the other one, the fedora one, jesus dies at the end crying his famous lines, that's the sin that we all carry, why did we lose faith in god at our crucial moments
the test of faith must be there for all of us, that's what makes this incarnation of monotheism the last, there is not historical ethnic thing, at least not that is dogmatically important
>>52940710
What is the point of this post? Nobody is talking about other religions, and I didn't even imply any relation/comparation to Islam or whatever. You should stop projecting so much.
>>52940932
I have a better understanding now, thank you for your time
>>52941042
s-sure
i do have to mention another thing because why not
supposedly people ask if god was super powerful why is there evil and it somehow has to do with free will
that's a distant interpretation of something much more concrete
the greeks gave the name for diablos from their work for seperatio, of gods into dualistic parts, and their word for to be made whole is symbol, so in effect the manifestation of evil not-god-ness is or was just the act of separating the wholeness of god
is hell originally dogmatic? probably not
>>52939618
That's like saying that Sikhi is polytheism because the Vaheguru is in Heaven, in the Guru, and in all of us all at once
Just because A God can be multiple places at once doesn't make it more than one God.
>>52941265
Being in different places and being different "characters" aren't the same thing.
>>52940941
Whether you implied it or not is beyond the point.
I'm just pointing out it's general for all Abrahamic religions because you made it sound like it's something just limited to Christianity.
Naturally Orthodox Christianity which is closest to the Greeks is sullied with idolatry because it has the biggest Greek influence and farther you go from it.
BUT in it's core all Abrahamic religions are inspired to some degree from the religions that came before them in the region regardless where they went with it after.
>>52941207
>is hell originally dogmatic? probably not
Devils or whatever you want to call them existed long before the original sin, probably long before humans existed according to the Old Testament.
If God has a use for Devils he probably has a use for a Hell.
It's not evil when God does it.jpeg
>>52941318
It's not. God is omnipotent. Your definitions of what's possible for God do not apply.
I'm a fedora and I can easily swat away such low tier arguments step it up.
>>52941318
But you could say sikhi has that too, as the ten Gurus (essentially the prophets in sikhi) were of different body than the Vaheguru (God), but they were for the Veheguru to speak through, and therefore the Vaheguru is in the Guru
But again, also in heaven in in all of humanity, and all living things
>>52941371
there is no hell in judaism
the souls are just kept in a vessel next to the gate to heaven
there is no suffering only eternity
>>52941411
>the souls are just kept in a vessel next to the gate to heaven
It the earliest Jewish scriptures there is no Heaven as well. Just like the Hell it was injected by other religions Judaism came in contact with.
There was just Sheol where they spent eternity in darkness and stillness.
>>52941371
>But that's true for Islam as well.
>Whether you like it or not
Didn't sound like you were just pointing out that.
Anyway, I don't think i made it sound like it was limited to Christianity too, that is your own imagination again.
>It's not. God is omnipotent. Your definitions of what's possible for God do not apply.
I don't even understand what you are refuting here. Misquote?
>>52941410
But these prophets are obviously (from what you say) are merely reflections of God, while Christian trinity isn't so simple. Father is not just a reflection of God and neither is the Son and Spirit. But I don't know shit about Sikhi, or Gurus or Vaheguru, I am just commenting based on what you said.
>>52941559
it has to do with the reflection of life
since you doubt in life you will spend eternity searching never finding
only later when christinity made its way north they added things in like sin, lords of hell, and fire and brimstone for eternity
>>52941559
Isn't early Judaism just called the Canaanite pantheon?
I remember something about Judaism being the last remaining sect of Canaanite faiths, after the cult for the Canaanite wargod just fucking destroyed and killed off all worshippers of other Canaanite gods.
Something about the Jewish/Christian/Muslim god being the same guy as Eli or something in the Canaanite pantheon.
>>52939778
I learned greek in school and the word carries both meanings, though more commonly it means girl.
So it is up for interpretation desu
christanity being monotheism does not come from the trinity it comes from the inability to separate from judaic roots
>>52941749
polytheism*
>>52940710
>angels and devils are comparable to God in Abrahamic doctrine.
>prophets are superheroes and not mere messengers to populations
Nice analogies.
>>52941655
>But these prophets are obviously (from what you say) are merely reflections of God
Yes, you're actually right, however while being reflections of God they are also part of God.
The Gurus are in fact reflections of the Vaheguru.
The best way to explain it is to imagine that you've been imprisoned for years with no light, and you've finally been released. But the night before it has rained. When you emerge from your imprisonment you can't look directly at the sun and instead you must see the sun through the puddles on the ground. In the same way the Gurus reflect God.
However them, and we all, are a part of God because we are creations of God a little piece of God is inside us all. And what is the difference between a glass of water and an Ocean? Quantity. Hence if God is inside us all, and inside the Gurus who were sent by God as part of him and as his mouthpiece, we are all a part of God (Vaheguru)
NOTE: God doesn't have a gender in Shiki, so if I use masculine terms that's only because gender neutral terms are difficult to use in English. The relationship between us and God is compared to both a mother and child and a husband and wife.
>>52941977
Are Pakistan flags rare?
>>52942036
not really
>>52942036
Rare.
>>52941655
>I don't even understand what you are refuting here. Misquote?
Maybe the translation of the word OMNIPOTENT is different in languages which were influenced by Asian thinking but for Europeans the omnipotence of God literally (correct use of literally on 4chan for once) means, the God can do and act in any and every way. And in every way at the same time. He can also do everything at the same time. At once. And back again.
There is no limit to God. He could have a body, and a spirit and the primordial whatever which cannot be depicted or explained.
>>52941749
There is nothing to separate. If you remove Judaism from Christianity you're just left with nothing.
Even >>52941692
That the point is to simply believe in a greater power comes from Judaism. Heck from every religion that came before it.
>>52941977
They are if you can escape your brainwash.
Just because you don't like the part of the Bible when Jesus parts the river or the part of the Koran when Mohamet rides the flying horse doesn't mean they are not part of your religion. And even if you disregard that most Greek heroes OUTSMART their enemies they are not all Herculean. In fact apart from Hercules himself there really aren't a whole lot of super humans in Greek mythology.
A lot of the lesser gods in the Greek pantheon are simply OVERhumans. They definitely didn't have the power to end the world or anything apocalyptic.
>>52942166
>Maybe the translation of the word OMNIPOTENT is different in languages which were influenced by Asian thinking but for Europeans the omnipotence of God literally (correct use of literally on 4chan for once) means, the God can do and act in any and every way. And in every way at the same time. He can also do everything at the same time. At once. And back again.
With all of the logical errors that omnipotence entails.
>>52942166
>miracles are superpowers and not manifestations of God's will bestowed on messengers
>u iz stopid
Your frame of thought is Christian, I cant blame you for that.
>>52942166
>If you remove Judaism from Christianity you're just left with nothing
the difference is in the description of god which separates the two, god cannot be inconsistent. there is a change in god that makes it so that the judaic god of the tribes becomes of god of the new testament, what happened, how did this happen
basically the religion changed but the god is the same, so if there are two religions how can there be the same god and where is jesus in all this
christianity needs the judaic god but not the other way. this makes it one-directional and polytheistic from a non-christian perspective
>>52939723
How could you not jerk it to virgin cuckold porn?
>>52942309
Actually you're just proving my point.
In the Greek mythology the heroes do their deeds with the help of their Gods - with or without the knowledge of Zeus - for which they later get punished sometimes.
In much the same way the Prophets do their miracles with the help of Angels - with or without the knowledge of Allah/God - for which they later get punished sometimes, not as often because Allah is merciful and all that etc etc.
It's just semantics.
I know you've been trained from a young age to look at it as a big difference but it really isn't.
>>52942478
G_d is omniscient so he was jerking of to it from the first day he created the world.
>>52942524
>In much the same way the Prophets do their miracles with the help of Angels - with or without the knowledge of Allah/God - for which they later get punished sometimes, not as often because Allah is merciful and all that etc etc.
I wanted to say "wait when did that shit happen" but then I remember God was a massive dick to Moses and didn't allow Moses to enter the Holy Land, because Moses forgot to say "God did this" after Moses turned a rock into water in the desert.
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>>52942568
>be omniscient
>and omnipotent
>be in an eternal forever state of ultimate and infinite orgasm at all times - in past, present and future, as well as outside time
Is God the perfect fapper?
>>52942524
>Prophets do their miracles with the help of Angels - with or without the knowledge of Allah/God - for which they later get punished sometimes
Prove the above claim. An example of where, say, Muhammed peace be upon him or Isa used a miracle "without the knowledge" of an all knowing omnipotent God amd then getting "punished"
Voicing assumptions about my "training" doesnt help your cause
>>52942597
Moses was barred from Israel because of the shenanigans of the oyveys he was towing.
>>52942687
Well God knew supposedly he is omnipotent according to Abrahamic religion. It's about asking for permission and just letting you sin so he can punish you later for it kind of thing.
Islam is a bit different on that point, there are much less disobedience from his prophets and angels according to your religious book.
>http://www.islamawareness.net/Angels/disobey.html
This being one one example where Islamic scholars take a valid tale from Judaism and say it's heresy.
Still, in other Abrahamic religions these stories exist. Your scholars have just been veeeery careful about filtering them out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUy-H5MmeGU
nope
>>52939618
>mfw there's actually 3 supreme overlord gods but they alternate with each other for shifts
>if we unleashed all our GODs, all the other pleb religions would get wrecked.
That's why we only need one true god, if we had 3 or more, all you heathen fedoras would be burning right now.
>>52941265
>Schrödinger's God
>>52941318
I am a worker, a husband, and a shitposter. I am all of these things in one being.
father, son, and the holy spirit are 3 faces of God (according to Orthodoxy)
its one "thing", just like a cube is one thing even tho it has 6 flat squares
But that's wrong, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three consubstantial hypostases with a single will, there aren't three Gods.
Nor are there three parts making up one God or three different forms of one God.
To answer your question the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are co-eternal. The Son is eternally begotten of the Father and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father through the Son.
>>52942166
>calling him hercules when referencing his greek incarnation
I ree'd desu.
There are numerous mentions of the "7 spirits of God" so if you add father and son it's actually nonatarian or novemnatarianism
>>52942687
Mooselimbs ain't know about the Spirit
>was never taught Christian stuff or any religious stuff growing up
>mfw Christian stuff is obviously just as made up as anything else but alot of people around me believe it
>mfw it feels like otherwise intelligent people are willingly being rused by fairy tales
>mfw even candidates for president in my country have to claim they are religious to gain popularity
>mfw looking at Islamic countries and imagining what it must be like there
