1. Which country was your most loyal ally in wars?
2. Which one was the greatest backstabber?
>>52938826
britain
britain
>>52938826
United kingdom and nobody backstabbed us
>>52938826
None.
None, maybe the US.
We're going to get shit on itt
1. israel
2. saudi arabia
>>52938927
empires never arose out of honesty
we dont blame you anyway, considering the desert front and the germans at your doorstep
1. Austria
2. Italy
>>52938942
israeli sold our state secrets and jeopardizes field agents, is cool i suppose
>>52938826
USA
USA
>>52938942
(you)
>>52938982
isnt austria a more german germany at this point
>>52938826
1. wut?
2. every, single one
>>52938826
Bulgaria is the biggest backstabber the world will ever know tbqh
Still some good homies out there
UK
UK
1. No one.
2. France.
>>52938826
1. Nobody
2. the world
>>52938891
Your anthem even was against british.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_British_Ultimatum
>When Portugal acquiesced to British demands, it was seen as a national humiliation by republicans in Portugal, who denounced the government and the King as responsible for it. The government fell, and António de Serpa Pimentel was appointed Prime Minister. The British Ultimatum inspired the original lyrics of the Portuguese National Anthem, "A Portuguesa". The 1890 British Ultimatum was considered by Portuguese historians and politicians at that time to be the most outrageous and infamous action of Britain against her oldest ally.
>A las armas, a las armas !
>Subre la tierra, subre l mar,
>A las armas, a las armas!
>Pula pátria lhuitar!
>Contra ls Bretones caminar, caminar!
>>52939208
How can the world backstab you when you are the ones trying to invade everyone?
>>52939244
US lost the battle of wills
1. France
2. Saudi Arabia, actually any country in the Middle East at this point, Turkey, Iran with the whole Islamic Recolution bullshit, and Israel (but they sell some good shut to us).
1. France
2. Belgium
>>52939244
because they broke their promise to stay defeated after they were blitzkrieged and conquered
>>52938826
1. No one.
2. Germans.
1.China
2.Saudi Arabia
1. Australia
2. France
>>52938826
>>52938891
1.United Kingdom.
2.United Kingdom.
>>52938826
1.USA!
2.USA!
>>52938826
1. Scotland, Luxembourg, Canada, Russia and, ironically, the Ottomans
2. France, Germany, Belgium, England, Portugal, Spain, Austria and Indonesia
>>52939243
Nope,our greatest allies would never do that
>>52938826
1. Nazi Germany
2. Nazi Germany
>>52938826
1. Portugal
2. USA
None
Russia
>>52939534
I think Russia did worse m8
1. Germany
2. Finland
>>52938826
1. I don't know.
2. Italy
>>52939565
They were never our allies, so they can't really backstab us
>>52939537
>2. USA
what, the suez thing?
>>52939540
Cockhole?
>>52939028
Lithuania is your closest ally historically.
>>52938992
OK Ahmed.
>>52938826
1) None
2) Anglos
>>52938826
1. Nazi Germany
2. Finland
desu...
Australia, New Zealand, and France
Saudi Arabia,
>>52938826
1.Britain
2.Denmark
>>52940573
kek
>>52939621
The Suez thing, the McMahon Act, killing off .280 British, giving our nukes serial nimbers to Russia (thanks obama),
>>52939534
>2. Nazi Germany
keked a little.
You were the ones backstabbing us because you were afraid of the Russians. Later you just paid the price...
>>52940598
Copenhagen is probably the second best example of British Perfidy.
Germany
France.
>>52938826
1. USA
2. Ukraine
>>52940741
пpoигpaл
>>52938826
1. USA
2. USA!
> all these USAs
>>52940648
But you got us into the war in in the first place. We haven't forgotten Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
1. Ourselves
2. We are the backstabbers
Never trust italians, we only look jolly.
We are pure evil.
>>52940855
1. France
2. Panama
>>52940897
>most of them having it also listed for number 2
perfidious
>>52940381
But they're all bunch of ungreatfull fucks
>>52939028
>2. every, single one
>>52940974
What do you mean?
>>52941737
That they're shitting on everythin we achieved together
>>52941032
Based USofA
No one.
Denmark.
>>52941897
>not somalia
Ayyy
>>52941843
In what way?
>>52941897
Not like Sweden didn't ask for it, and gave Denmark the same treatment. At least no one got hurt in the end.
Except your nobles. And Denmark's dreams of an empire.
>>52938826
1. Historically, Uruguay, but we faced like, 2 wars together
2. Chile.
>>52938826
1.jews and tatars
2. everyone
>>52941953
Lithuanisation of common culture, supressing polish minorities.
It's kinda retarded due to the fact that there's like 3 millions of them with 0,5mil ruskies included.
>>52942048
>jews
questionable due to their involvement in 1920s pl-rus war
But it's very close to the truth
1. ???
2. UK
>>52942120
jews were good guys before partitions
after that its very mixed
1. Australia
2. Germany
>>52941998
Don't forget Croatia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz_tIPXHz40
>>52942171
How did we backstab you? Mr War profiteer?
>>52941998
>muh falklands
>>52942277
So easy to spot the axis of evil there :D
>>52942074
How big is the polish minority and what are they doing to suppress them?
>>52942240
All anglos are cunts.
>>52942277
Fukin' krauts.
Kill them all!!!
>>52942373
Around 0,25mil.
No polish names in ids
No polish street names
Polish schools systematically closed...
It's sad 2bh
>>52942277
Wtf. I didn't know someone make such poles. Everyone against us again, even a half of lefrogs.
>>52942184
Not him but we stopped you from being partitioned after ww1, marshall planned you after ww2 and your current government and popular sentiment somehow have the nerve to be heavily anti american
1. No one.
2. France.
Ally? What ally?
>>52942441
well, one of the main reasons for NATO is to prevent a russian attack. i wouldn't take it personally
>>52938826
1. India and ASEAN members
2. Malaysia, Australia, Japan, Netherlands
>>52942481
They're thinking money will protect them. Let just wait a bit longer. They'll implode and cry for help
>>52942048
My great-grandparents are Polish Jews and I've always been told that Poles were even more anti-Semitic than the Germans. Many Poles happily cooperated with the Nazis in turning over Jews.
>>52942481
being grateful for past US military action and being critical of current US foreign policy are not mutually exclusive. stop being so stereotypically black and white about everything
1. Scotland
2. Scotland
>>52942630
>muh heritage
>>52942592
demographically they are fucked for the future, i don't really care
>>52942436
It seems like they're trying to strengthen Lithuanian national identity at the expense of polish national identity. Are poles also very tall like Lithuanians?
>>52942481
germany was a mistake
1. USA
2. Everybody else
>>52939054
Relax Serb, go fight with the ottomans against us
>>52941998
>chimp out trying to take muh Beagle channel islands from Chile
>get mad when they don't support your chimp out trying to take the Falklands from Britain
>>52942593
we had no such thing as cooperation with nazis because we were directly annexed, there were no collaboration offices. We were the only kingdom in medieval times to accepts hundreds of jew refugees and most of them integrated but there are always some extremists that want to put david star into our flag.
in Poland saving a jew was a death sentence yet many people still did it. And now look how jews repay us when they visit poland with armed bodyguards (second half of video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu6t9YmHvT4
>>52942593
It was German army that send milions of Jews to death. Can't get more antisemitic than that. Maybe rewriting history helps survivors in some ways though? Who knows
>>52942667
I don't have that luxury since we're bordering them
>>52942668
>lithuanian national identity
It's on todays belaruse m8
>height
I don't know
>>52942762
While you're right, there were many who did not like Jews and did in fact cooperate with Nazis. Even today something like 63% of poles believe there's a Jewish conspiracy even though 90% have never met a Jew. Poland was for a very long time tolerant of Jews but since WWII poles are becoming more anti-Semitic.
>>52942855
I'm not saying Germany was not anti-Semitic.
>>52942988
Bullshit
>>52938826
1. USA
2. France
>>52938826
1. Germany
2. Fucking Korea playing victim even today.
>>52942762
>>52942855
Polish Jew here. There were many great polish people who saved Jews but I'm so tired of polish people acting like Jews just make up anti semetism in Poland. Why can't you guys just admit Poland has many anti Semitic people? Pretty much every Polish Jew has stories of poor treatment or attacks on Jews. My great grandma told me stories of polish pogroms after the holocaust forcing her to leave. Especially the whole "and this is how they repay us" bullshit, do you really want us to kiss your ass while you call us kikes and chased us out the country?
>>52943083
http://forward.com/news/world/191155/poland-poll-reveals-stubborn-anti-semitism-amid-je/
>>52938826
1. Noone
2. Everyone
>>52943141
Because of recent memory. NKVD hired jews to assasinate/execute polish patriots/war heroes and spy on polish anti-commie civilians.
>>52943112
OY VEY
>>52943144
How does it influence your everyday life?
>>52943434
israelis love to milk antisemitism, I saw a vid about israeli youngsters visiting deathcamps, some old poles were sitting on a bench and asked in polish where the youngsters were from then suddenly a jewish woman started to yell in hebrew at the old men, claiming that they made antisemitic remarks, called them dirty jews, etc... of course the old men said nothing like that. Afterwards the israeli youth felt in danger, etc...
Antisemitism is Israeli's strength, this is how they convince their youth to be nationalists it is also how they convince jews living all around the world to settle in israel to feel safer.
>>52943772
Exactly what im talking about. Jews assume that every person is nazi and then they are surprised that antisemitism is on the rise after they start hating everyone and travel to death camps with heavy armed guards like it was some warzone.
The video you're talking about is posted here.
>>52942762
>>52943141
Oh yeah?
What about Jewish pogroms on Poles in Prussian occupied Poland?
What about Jewish pogroms on Polish children and women in 1920?
What about Jewish pogroms on Polish children, women and peasants in 1939?
What about Jewish police hunting down Poles during WW2?
What about Jews welcoming Soviets in Poland with flowers?
What about Poland being in Axis in Ameircan Holocaust museum?
What about Jewish claims to Polish buildings in Poland?
What about Jewish claims to Polish money?
What about Hollywood's war against Poles and Poland?
Did you fucking forget who took you under his wing when everyone in Europe wanted to kill you? Jews wouldn't even fucking survive if we said no.
There would be no such thing as jews. So my fucking anti-semitism is justified. Because you're ungrateful fucking bastards and bite the hand that fed you for centuries.
>>52938826
1. United states of America.
2. United states of America.
>>52938826
1. USA, Brits
2. no backstabs, all was predictable
>>52943473
Lolwut. Eastern europeans are so retarded, you called bullshit and he provided proof, and THAT's your response? Come on man, stop being Eastern European.
>>52944063
Maybe because we have our reasons you fucking thick bastard.
You fucking reach out to someone you want to help and he takes the whole hand with him.
>>52938826
1. none
2. commies
>>52944019
What about Germany?
>>52938826
1. Austria
2. Italy
>>52938826
Saxony (Bavaria was actually a rival for most of history)
Italy
>>52944063
He said Poles were more antisemitic than Germans, I said impossible. High percentage of Polish people believing in Jewish conspiration didn't and still doesn't influence life of Jews - contrary to antisemitism in Germany, which led to the German army actually killing milions of Jews.
>>52943881
>>52943962
No we don't assume everyone are nazis or are told to hate idiots like you, it's your responses that make us this way. You think we just make up racism and use 100 year old things and conspiracy theories to justify hating us while claiming to not hate us. My family did nothing of the shit you listed. They never hurt anyone, weren't communist, didn't hate polish people, and we're still chased out their home. They had friends beaten to death by mobs of polish people after going through the camps. You act like most regular Jews would want to leave Europe for a middle eastern shit hole just for fun and not because of horrible treatment. You hate us based on things you think we did from hundreds of years ago and yet claim to not hate Jews. I don't get it, just be open if you hate us that much instead of going threw mental gymnastics to justify it.
>>52942481
You can only backstab an ally. We've never been your allies. Both in WW1 and WW2 you fought against us.
>>52943962
Never heard of any of this.
Present proof.
>>52944137
>grouping all Jews as one based on perceived ungratefulness isn't anti semetism
>>52944433
>people believing you control the world and kill babies doesn't effect your daily life
>having to flee your home country doesn't effect your daily life
This is exactly what Jews are talking about. Ironic also how every polish person on int thinks everyone is against them and there is a Hollywood war on them (mega lol btw) and yet say we play the victim. Have some self awareness for gods sake.
>>52944453
Shut the fuck up, you parasite.
You've been feeding off Polish corpse way too long. You have no rulers, no compassion. You all deserve to die, you fake nation of arabs in denial.
For Polish suffering. We never should have hid you from the Germans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky3rDhH4h4o
>>52944563
just on top of my mind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skidel_revolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Brzostowica_Ma%C5%82a
>>52938826
>USA
>Russia
>>52938891
>Albertos' education
>>52944610
Not a single word falling from a jewish mouth is the truth.
>>52944453
i think the greatest fear of jews is not that people hate them, but that people merely dislike them and are annoyed by them. your egos won't let you get your head around the idea that people simply don't think about you nearly to the extent you think they do.
>>52944563
He's just gonna post /pol/ sources, blogs, and maybe one real example of a bad Jew and use it to say see you're all bad. Then after he'll call us some insult and claim he isn't racist.
>>52944709
>racist
That is if you were an actual race.
I'm a proud anti-semite from a proud noble Polish family. The only thing we did wrong, is that we hid the kikes during WW2.
>>52944688
Read the poles posts, why would I want to be hated? I don't care if someone hates or dislikes us, I just hate the bullshit justifying of hating us while also denying the hate the poles do. They talk about the holocaust more then Jews.
>>52944623
>>52944660
Good job proving your real face you piece of shit. Yeah poles aren't racist at all. Kill yourself retard, can't believe I wasted time trying to use actual logic with Europes brightest plumbers.
>>52944852
>racist
You're not a race.
Don't forget to play the victim card.
>>52944709
>/pol/
>He didn't know about jewish chimpouts since he's in israel
My argument is that your people helped bolsheviks enmass in 20s.
Fucking traitors
1. None (honorary mention to Portugal for mittens and sardines :D)
2. Maybe Germany but I can't really blame them
>>52944610
Honestly, the only thing that fascinates me is how difficult it is for Jews to admit it was German army that set German concentration camps in a German-occupied Poland, all in order to kill Jews. Why are you so fixated on Polish people?
>>52944899
The same Bolsheviks that hated the Jews despite communism being mainly jewish, kek.
that's fucking comedy gold.
>>52944623
These are very recent examples.
Be reasonable. If Jews in Poland had always been treated well, why would they go against you first chance they got? Probably had a reason to resent poles.
The thing is, antisemitism among the peasantry is not only common, it's the norm and it goes back much further than 100 years. Catholic church antagonized Jews for hundreds of years.
People hate those who are different, it's human nature and I don't resent anyone for it, but please don't make up excuses.
t. Belorussian Jew
>>52944843
>proud anti Semite
>noble polish family
>only thing Poland did wrong was hide Jews
Your "noble" toilet cleaning family must be real proud. Polish people are so drawn to toilet work because they're shit already so it's not a big step is it gregorzs? Does the alcohol numb the pain of being European Mexico but uglier and dumber?
>>52944936
>Why are you so fixated on Polish people?
Because the first victims of the Nazi's were the Germans.
And who were the Nazis? Poles of course, welcome the the kike world.
>>52944977
>very recent
dig more
>>52938898
What did we do to you?
>>52944936
We're the lost 13th israeli tribe and we're playing the victim card better.
They're affraid that they aren't trully the choosen nation
>>52942988
you mixing two different things. During war cooperation with Nazis was punished by death by the resistance. No social group cooperated with Nazis. Of course there were individuals who did it but nothing in big numbers. As for polish antisemitism it is not result it the war but soviet occupation - co called judeo-communism. This is not conspiracy but a fact.
>>52944929
Let's just make a F-countries alliance
Fidji pls come here :DDDD
>>52945000
>Your "noble" toilet cleaning family must be real proud. Polish people are so drawn to toilet work because they're shit already so it's not a big step is it gregorzs? Does the alcohol numb the pain of being European Mexico but uglier and dumber?
See?
This is jewish gratefulness.
>>52945007
>And who were the Nazis? Poles of course
Oh weh, they're admitting it finally.
Pay reparations.
>>52939470
We were mostly cool with Northern Europeans because of Protestanism and religious reform.
It was the best idea to support you guys to kill Austria
>>52944936
>Honestly, the only thing that fascinates me is how difficult it is for Jews to admit it was German army that set German concentration camps in a German-occupied Poland, all in order to kill Jews
What are you on about? No shit Germans set the camps up, doesn't change the fact of how Jews were treated by polish people as well.
>Why are you so fixated on Polish people?
We aren't? It's always polish people posting clearly anti Semitic shit, playing the victim and then saying they aren't anti Semitic and that we play the victim. The hypocrisy and idiocy is just annoying, outside of that we don't care about Poland in anyway.
>>52938891
never understood why spain didn't steamroll you
>>52945111
Suck dick mehmet
>>52938826
1. Finland
2. Finland
>>52945124
>doesn't change the fact of how Jews were treated by polish people as we
What? What the fuck are you talking about now?
>>52945111
You're not getting off that easy.
Just for that, you owe us another free U-Boot.
>>52945000
nothing wrong with honest work. Also, polish girls are qts
>>52945124
>, outside of that we don't care about Poland in anyway.
Is that why you sued claims to Polish buildings and money recently?
>best ally
Meh , none of our allies benefited us , we were solo most of our history
>backstabber
Well not exactly backstabber but Germany was one of the worst allies ( probably just the worst ) we have ever had , they only stayed for about 20 years but managed to fuck up 600 years empire in a single war by not being good
>>52945111
writing in english and not arabic. come on.
>France
>Corfitz Ulfeldt
>>52945124
>poor poor jews
Listen faggot.
The hate for your people is something real in every nation ever since forever.
Did you ever consider that may actually be your fault?
Since the dawn of history jews were universally hated.
If you want to shit on poles first check yad vashem. Which nation has the most righteous? Poles!
Fuck you
>>52944688
This.
If there's a poll among Germans: "Which neighbour nation do you dislike the most?" And the result is: Poland, we don't make a big deal of it. We don't call it a scandal, we don't suspect Germans of having intentions of occupying Poland again or being anti-polish. Mainstream media will mention this kind of polls, of course, but it'll be in the context of "what can we do to improve the relations with Germany". If the polls show that Polish people dislike Russians, Russians don't make a big deal out of it either. If polls show people dislike Israelis, on the other hand...
1. Australia
2. Russia or Cuba
Probably France or the UK
Pakistan
>>52945031
It's my a fact of moron, no all Jews are communist, and not even a majority of communist are Jews. You just always wanna blame Jews for everything and then say "see how bad they are!" When we get tired of it. I didn't even have any negative feelings towards polish people until I saw the constant Jewish hate by them all over the Internet and realized my family was telling the truth and polish people always have and always will hate us.
>>52945050
See this post. You assholes want to call us every name and blame us for every bad thing in the world and expect us to kiss your ass for it? What world do you live in?
>>52945180
That polish people treated us like shit and continue to hate Jews despite the fact we all left your shit hole years ago.
>>52945357
>Probably France
XYZ Affair and the Quasi War NEVER FORGET
>>52945389
>That polish people treated us like shit
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>52945265
Don't bother arguing with an Isrealite.
They are rude and snotty people.
>>52945219
I did? Didn't know that, thanks for letting me know. Or is it a big Jews vs Poland law suit? When do I get my shekels?
>>52945265
>you deserve hate
>in proud anti Semite
>Hollywood has war on Poland
How can someone be so retarded to claim that and then claim not to be an anti Semite and say others play the victim? Just off yourself you single iq digit monkey fuck.
>>52945389
>treating you as shit
Because you in particular represents that short-seighted, smartmouth jew fag that everyone in history wanted to get rid of
>>52945389
Also that shithole was the only home for you when everyone wanted to kill you, in Poland you could have your own business and no one fucking lashed you for being a Jew.
You fucking prick.
>>52945389
you rats were living peacefully in Poland for ages but fucking nooo - it is our fault that we hate you. typical jew. Just ask yourself why everything changed after WWII
>>52945124
My point is: you seem to be more obsessed with random Polish people behaving terribly during the war than with the Germans that led your nation to an almost complete extinction. It's interesting to me.
>>52945505
BUT I ADMITED TO BEING ANTI-SEMITE, YOU FUCKING SUBHUMAN MONGREL. )))))
Jewish cockroach, your time will come.
>>52945492
Look at your own posts dumb fuck. Look at where I live now as opposed to Poland. That's how you shit bags always treated Jews. Fuck your shitty depressing alcoholic useless country of sex workers and shit handlers. Go fix a UK toilet and eat some more pig far bitch.
Never forget that it was Jewish bolsheviks who set up concentration camps in Soviet Russia few weeks after October coup to destroy Russian non-Jewish intellectuals and finally muzhiks.
If 'concentration camp' doesnt bring Jewish made ideology to your mind first, but camps of Third Reich, you're fucking delusional or your education system is/was infiltrated by commies.
>>52945505
What?
I wrote about yad vashem. Learn to read you inbred fuck
>>52945550
There aren't any Germans here right now and he just has to play the victim
>http://wpolityce.pl/swiat/258272-zydzi-znow-wysuwaja-swoje-roszczenia-wobec-polski-chca-od-naszego-panstwa-200-mld-zlotych
>Jews want 200mld pln from Poland compensation for "jewish" "lost" "estates" that were left with no jewish heir that could retake it.
OY VEY, WHY DA POLLACK ANTISEMITE HATE US
>>52945563
Post proofs of your claims or i'll call bullshit.
>>52945550
Let me explain: Germany is rich, Poland is... well still rich in the grand scale, but poor when compared to Germany.
>>52945658
Yeah, because we were glassed to the ground because we didn't give out jews.
Maybe we should have. :^)
>>52945534
>could have your own business and no one fucking lashed you for being a Jew.
What is pogroms you uneducated fucktard. That's literally exactly what you fuckers did to my family. Who again weren't communist and never did shit to anyone.
>>52945544
>yes it's our fault we hate you
Yeah that's how it works. Cry more about the war on Poland thinking you're even relevant to other Europeans. If people all deserve the hate they get then Poland deserves the "war" Hollywood supposedly has towards it.
>>52945562
Yeah, my time to shoot a polish person between his alcoholic buck tooth mouth.
>>52945563
kek
>>52942593
same situation here. my grandmother was jew from warsaw and she and her family were really discriminated. they even didn't want to hear the name of the country
>>52945746
>What is pogroms you uneducated fucktard
Post source.
>>52945746
Good luck being an actual country when American money ends out.
Czechs
Pakis
>>52939540
Taiwan and India helped us so much, Turkey Turkey saved the civilians of Japan. Those Asians are reliance Asians.
>>52945778
>same situation here. my grandmother was jew from warsaw and she and her family were really discriminated. they even didn't want to hear the name of the country
Of course, those evil pooolacks gassed 600 milion of g'ds chosen people.
how dare they, how dare they deny it. they just welcomed jews in medieval times, to kill them later one, as the ultimate sacrifice to the ALMIGHTY LORD SATAN.
>this thread
>>52945550
Because unlike the subhuman poles modern Germans leave us alone and admit to being shit bags in the past so we forgive them.
>>52945575
>can't understand what I wrote
>tells others to learn to read
>is polish
>calls others inbred
Hope Russia invades and rapes more of you.
>>52945648
You'll do that anyway because your a brainless small cocked faggot you was raped by a Jew and can't get over it.
>>52945866
i'm referring to earlier times than the WW2. They came to argentina more or less in 1928
>>52945563
I wouldn't exchange living in Poland, which is peaceful, for living in Israel, where every generations has to participate in some war. Not to mention the 2-year obligatory military service.
>>52945948
>i'm referring to earlier times than the WW2. They came to argentina more or less in 1928
You know why this happened? Because Jews were pro-bolshevik.
>>52945906
You'll do that anyway because your a brainless small cocked faggot you was raped by a Jew and can't get over it.
Thank you for your valuable opinion, my greatest ally. It's a good thing you're finally showing your true colours, you digusting lizards.
>>52938826
Mongols
Austria
1. Probably the Americans in WW1 and 2. Also through the cold war
2. Honestly? I can't think of that many. We were just insular cunts and didn't really work along with others well, usually we did the backstabbing
>>52945788
>needs source for pogroms
Polish education everyone
And we'll see how Poland stays alive when every pole is in UK or Germany cleaning my shit while I'm on vacation :)
>>52945866
>multiple Polish Jews just make up stories of abuse for fun
>we were nice to Jews in medieval times so it's impossible we were anti Semitic hundreds of years after!
I always knew polish people were dumbest Europeans but Jesus Christ go back to school moron.
>>52945563
There are two countries
One is arid middle eastern hellhole surrounded by people who hate it, full of Palestinians, Arabs, dumb brown jews, even dumber black jews and various other kinds of muslims. Also you have to spend years in the army and orthodox jews laught at you as you stand on patrol under hot middle eastern sun. The other one is Poland.
idk which is worse
>>52945906
I wasn't claiming being an anti semite.
I just said that you're hated universally through the history.
>russia
>invading whoever
Kek. But i now understand you're russian jew!
How pathetic
>>52946024
Nice tactic my dear kike friend.
You're not fooling me.
>>52946035
Kek'd
>>52945971
It's better then Poland in every way and the war and army makes us real men instead of faggots who run from their countries for literal shit tier jobs.
>>52945994
Careful there you might spill you alcohol on your keyboard
>>52944814
Don't listen to them france, especially the burgerposter. Some of us remember history and the little things like how France has been our ally from the birth of our country onward.
>>52946024
And here I thought Ashkenazim were supposed to be smart.
You're not convincing anyone by going apeshit and spouting curses.
You're factually right about polish treatment of Jews after WWII, but no one will take you seriously because of the way you express yourself.
>>52946120
>Careful there you might spill you alcohol on your keyboard
Very nice argument once again.
Truly remarkable show of the jewish intelligence.
1. None
2. Labour
>>52946035
you are funny guy
>>52946017
a plus for honesty
1. No one
2. France, USA, England
>>52945994
No one want or needs Poland as an ally.
>>52946035
And yet with all that were still better then pooland. Jews come here from all over the world, while polish people can only run away from their country.
>>52946048
>Russian Jew
I told you I'm Polish Jew retard, I just know polish people are terrified of Russians.
>>52946120
Kike on suicide watch
>>52946181
>>52946168
never before have a seen such animated discussion between a pole and a jew
>be Poland
>live with Jews since 10th century
>be nice to them, give them rights
>18th century comes, Poland is partitioned by three countries
>you live under Prussian rule
>Prussians use Jews to do pogroms on native Poles
>19th century comes with Positivism
>you're still under Prussian rule, but this time Jews try to make Israel in occupied Poland
>they write books about how bad they were treated by Poles
>those books make Poles look as bigoted, anti-semitic and retarded while Jews as saints
>be Poland in 1939-1945
>hide the Jews from the Nazi's, often pay for it with your life
>most of the Jews rat out the Polish family that has hid them with a smile on their face
>Jews hire themselves as police in concentration camps, just so they can kill Poles
>1945 comes, the Soviets come to Poland to 'liberate'
>guess who welcomes them with flowers, Jews
>year 1980, Jews in Hollywood launch anti-polish movie campgain, portraying Poles as dumb-fucks and sub-humans
>year 2015, modern day Poland/World
>Jews use terms "Polish Death Camps" and blame the Poles for Holocaust
>Jews claim Poles collaborated with the Nazi's
>Jews put Poles in the same group as Nazi's in Holocaust Museums
>Jews demand money from Poland
Gee, I wonder why shouldn't I hate them. Didn't even mention Bolshevik war and Jews from Kresy who hated Poles.
>>52946252
You got the wrong Jew m8
>>52945994
this is funny. first you say no one lashed us for being jews and now you say that they did but because of being pro-bolshevik although we all now that most of them werent
>>52946168
I don't give a shit, I'm not trying to convince him or anything anymore. People who hate us will hate us no matter how we act. I just hate faggots like him who do everything they accuse Jews of doing and can't even see it on account of all the pig fat clogging their brains.
>>52946181
Smarter then European janitors
1. USSR protected India from US intervention in 1971 Liberation of Pakistan.
2.PRC by occupying the Aksai Chin Glacier that is Indian Territory of the Jammu Kashmir State of the Republic of India.
then there was the attack on Sikkim which was India's protectorate.
beat out of the chinks and made Sikkim a state of the Union of the Republic of India.
>>52946234
>Terrified
Like you're afraid of a retard.
It's big
It's dumb
It's retarded
You don't know what it's going to do.
Soooo if you're polish jew... How come your grandparents survived holocaust?
>>52946272
>>year 1980, Jews in Hollywood launch anti-polish movie campgain, portraying Poles as dumb-fucks and sub-humans
What movies are you referring to there?
>>52946272
weren't they complicit in that horrible katyn massacre too?
>>52946312
>we all now that most of them werent
Is that so?
Is that why writing about Kresy Wschodnie is forbidden? Afraid to tell about Pol-Jewish relations from this part? It's because it's Taboo, how can Jews kill and hate?
>>52946327
>Smarter then European janitors
:^)
>>52946368
http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/Hollywood-s_War_with_Poland/hollywood-s_war_with_poland.html
>>52946345
>polish people are afraid of retards
Must be hard looking in the mirror then
>how did your parents survive the hocaust
Umm by leaving? Common sense and my flag would answer that if you weren't retarded.
>>52946388
"horrible"
>>52946388
Yes, the officers were mostly jewish.
>>52946449
>by leaving
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
JEWISH FUCKING EDUCATION, GOOD JOB FUCKING RETARD.
>>52946168
As much as it is correct those were commies that expelled jewery in 50s and 60s
You should know that. And i'm not rude or anything. We were under occupation up to 1989
1. Poland
2. Israel (sells secrets and technology to China, we can't even export F-22s because of them)
NZ and USA
Emus
>>52946449
>by leaving
BULLSHIT
and onemore thing you fucktard. If there was as much abti semitism in poland as you stated there won't be a single jew left. I can guarantee that
>>52946483
>Jews didn't leave Pooland
Keep proving that every pole is mentally retarded faggots obsessed with Jews and scared of Russians. How the fuck do you think Polish Jews survived? We left before the holocaust and came back after, poles were still Jew hating retards to we left to Israel.
1. Austria
2. Jews
>>52946536
USA USA USA USA
>>52946553
australia has never been in a war that was relevant to australia's interests 2bh
>>52946623
Do you think anyone believes you?
If we were so terrible and full of thate, what the fuck were you doing here for centuries? What the fuck are jews doing in here now?
>inb4 another victim tactic
Stop fucking posting.
>>52946501
I was actually talking about what happened right after the war. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_violence_in_Poland,_1944%E2%80%9346
This is what the other guy is talking about, this is why his grandparents fled Poland after the war.
>>52946645
Changed my mind
1. Poland
2. Jews
>>52946623
>jews were able to leave poland in wartime
>POLES DA JOOO KILASSS
literally nigger
>>52946675
pacific war seemed pretty relevant to their interests
>>52946702
That'll be another submarine, Fritz.
>>52946608
How much of a fucking retard can you be? Just because you're to incompetent to kill all of us doesn't mean you didn't try you dumb faggot. Now answer this, if we didn't leave then what the fuck do you think happened that made Polish Jews appear in places like Israel or South America? Fuck how can one person be this fucking stupid. Please cut your tiny balls off so you don't spread more autistic poo handlers around.
>>52946691
Poland existed at that time?
Oh , that's new.
Maybe tell me about this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skidel_revolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Brzostowica_Ma%C5%82a
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koniuchy_massacre
Or Jews in NKVD?
>>52946751
Yes Schlomo, you need something to hold on when the kebabs throw you back into the sea.
>>52946675
ummmm ok lol ×)
>what is WW2
Lel i hate diaspora fags.
>>52946691
I'm aware of those actions and i can assure you that they were in heavy part at least influenced by USSR/Red Army
Divide and Conquer.
Moreover if your village was burnt to the ground and all of its inhabitants killed for hiding a jew there wasn't much need for violance erruption.
>>52946157
do you also remember the quasi war we had with them right after the founding you retard
>>52946679
>>52946734
>Polish Jews didn't escape during war time
How retarded can one person be? Were you dropped on your head by your alcoholic garbage man father or is this the result of fetal alcohol syndrome from your alcoholic prostitute mother?
1. France
2. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan.
>>52946120
>>52946234
How's living in Israel better than living in Poland?
Have any of you ever actually been to Poland? I don't mean on an Auswitch trip, more like actually spending some time travelling in Poland.
Country is peaceful, with no military service, no terrorist attacks, it's developing well (that includes infrastructure), the standard of living getting better and better every year, it has beautiful nature (lots of forests, unlike Israel)... exchanging that for a hellhole that is living in the Middle East is not even an option.
>>52946738
>>52946868
hey man, world war 2. everyone was in on it. british empire 2bh lad
>>52946761
>being this butthurt
Did i hurt your little jew feelings?
>>52944433
Germans today are not as anti-Semitic as Poles today. In fact, being anti-Semitic in Germany is looked down upon.
>>52946846
The kebabs will overthrow you first, enjoy your 1 million plus Muslims making more bomb threats during your holidays cuck
>>52946915
>we dindu nuffin
>we wuz occupied
>Hollywood be oppressin us
Confirmed nigger
>>52946679
>
it's not easy just to leave whenever you want. also you need a place to go...
for example my grandfather's family were poor so they couldn't leave.
when he saved enough money he came to argentina alone and started working many many hours everyday for 5 years to buy all the ship tickets he could for all his family.
finally he could bring his sister, wife and son but the rest had to stay in poland and were sent to the camps
>>52946994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfL1UzreWQY
xD
>>52946927
>blah blah blah
>argumentum ad alcohol
Dumb
>>52946927
>How retarded can one person be? Were you dropped on your head by your alcoholic garbage man father or is this the result of fetal alcohol syndrome from your alcoholic prostitute mother?
See? This is how Jews act everyday.
>>52947046
Were they sent to Polish death camp?
>>52943962
Jews suffered from pogroms just as much as Poles. In fact, many Jews fled from Russia to Poland fleeing from pogroms. My other great-grandparents left Russia and came here fleeing from Russian pogroms. Further, many Jews became communists/socialists as a reaction to tsarist persecution. Saying pogroms were Jewish is historically inaccurate and telling of your stupidity.
>>52947041
and now being antisemitic or antimuslim in Poland in not frowned upon. Actually people are proud of that.
Netherlands
Sweden
>>52946992
that doesn't mean it wasn't relevant to our interests
the UK getting attacked by Germany was relevant
Japanese invading SEA and potentially us was relevant
>>52942673
a repeated mistake
>>52947041
If we're talking about antisemitism today, the Polish antisemitism is not a threat to Jews (and neither is the German antisemitism, of course), even if it's more common to be an anti-semite in Poland than in Germany. And if it's about the antisemitism in the past, the German antisemitism was thousand times worse. You keep forgetting about it, which I find interesting.
>>52947047
XD
>>52947045
Because we're righteous. Even your YadVashem institute says that.
On the other hand your people are hated around the world since dawn of the history.
And stop with that hollywood bullshit. I don' know what you're talking about
>>52946949
Better hdi, beaches, no retarded polish faggots like you, better army, small country but with lots to do and see, social people who aren't autistic. We also have better food and living conditions then you. All while being in wars and surrounded by enemies. If that doesn't prove we are better the poolish people give it a few more years when your country loses the few remaining people under the age of 60 you have.
>>52946994
No, being retarded doesn't hurt my feelings. It only proves everything Polish Jews already knew about Poland.
>>52947161
And yet they supported Russia later on, killing as many Poles as they can.
>>52938942
i'd say france but Iraq war desu
>>52938826
USA
USA
>>52947174
how are we allies?
>1. Which country was your most loyal ally in wars?
UK
>2. Which one was the greatest backstabber?
Italy
>>52938826
None
Armenia
>>52947272
top historical knowledge
We have a saying in Poland.
"WDEPNIJ W GÓWNO, A BĘDZIE SMIERDZIEĆ"
- "STEP INTO SHIT ONCE, AND IT WILL STINK FOREVER"
I think it applies perfectly to what we did with the Jews in Medieval times.
>>52947225
>Polish Jews
No such thing since 1939. You're just some mut...
>>52947328
stop opressing him you nazi fuck
>>52947164
Because you're undeveloped subhumans below most European countries standards so no one cares
>>52947212
Just because some polish people with righteous doesn't make you less of human shit.
>>52943772
The reason many Jews milk antisemitism is because many today are leftist SJW but that has nothing to do with being Jewish. There's tons of white, protestant converted atheists who believe in SJW shit all the time. All that microaggression PC bullshit is the real problem. If you have a victim mentality that's all you'll ever be. Ironically, some of the best rightist thinkers are Jewish. Rothbard, Mises, Friedman, Kirzner, Nozick, and Stigler were all jewish.
>>52947272
you helped us crush the swedes on the sea when they tried to take advantage of our situation like the jews they are
>>52947100
yeah probably. i didn't ask details because my grandparents hate to talk about that
>>52947390
If we're subhumans below most European countries then who are you? No one wanted you in their countries.
Who are you? A plague?
>>52947390
>most righteous among nations
>da jooo killas
What a retard
>>52947471
it was just "some" "poles"
pls stop opressing the poor merchants, you evil nazi pollack
>>52947225
"All while being in wars and surrounded by enemies"
Thank you for stating the exact reason why I wouldn't want to live in Israel.
Also, my question wasn't about which nation is better, but rather which country is better for living.
About beaches... you forgot about the Baltic Sea with it's great beaches? With the global warming it will be perfect for tourism. While your climate will get even hotter and dryer...
>>52947390
because we are not cucked and we did nothing wrong and we will never pay you anything and we own you nothing and you are a rat.
>>52940573
They know nothing bro'
>>52947272
>>52947425
>not being Nedermark already
Everytime :D
>>52947328
Search polish Jews yourself if it is't too hard for a pole
Regions with significant populations
Poland 80,000+ (~12,000 in registered communities)[verification needed][1][2]
Israel 1,250,000 (ancestry, passport eligible);[3] 202,300 (citizenship)[4]
>>52947444
>then who are you
people superior to you, smarter, better at running a country (which over took yours in almost no time) and no one want polish people either. All you do is fill up UK prisons and unclog UK toilets
>>52947533
we dont want anything from retarded poles anyway, we'll always be better the poles and we know it. You're just europes asshole
>>52947631
LMAO (Laughing My Ass Off)
>>52947606
I would really want this desu, Denmark and the Netherlands are basically the same, except for language
>>52947631
>puppet ruskie jews with polish passports
>we're poles!
>we want our money back
>you anti-semite you!
>>52946949
have you ever been to Israel?
>>52943112
>2. France
kek
can't wait for your annihilation though
We were the biggest backstabbers.
>>52947764
Have you? I'm asking seriously.
>>52938826
Portugal
America for not recognizing us even though we're basically their bitch
>>52947716
no , you don't want compensation for property left by dead jews without descendants. Stupid jew
>>52947716
>we dont want anything from retarded poles anyway, we'll always be better the poles and we know it. You're just europes asshole
If we're the asshole, you're the lice on that asshole.
>>52947773
Not going to happen.
Thanks for all your help with our nuclear program <3
>>52938826
>german army organize nazi marches in former ukraine
>>52938826
1. German Empire
2. Nazi Germany
>>52943962
>What about Hollywood's war against Poles and Poland?
Elaborate?
>>52947796
Yeah.
>>52947826
yes, and i have family living there.
>>52947863
Ignore that Algerian twat <3
>>52947796
Hey atleast we've hold the line from the russians at first.
>>52947896
>1. German Empire
What? Thanks to Kaiser (honorable mention to the entente as well), Finnic people in Eastern Karelia were left to be murdered by communists.
>>52947932
http://www.amazon.com/Hollywoods-Poland-1939-1945-M-B-B-Biskupski/dp/0813125596
http://www.kentuckypress.com/live/title_detail.php?titleid=2324#.VobCqfnhCUk
>>52947773
A Jew just thanked you.
Prepare for more refugees, Pierre.
>>52947932
>Hollywood’s War with Poland, 1939-1945, published by the University Press of Kentucky, is a thoroughly documented study of how Tinsel Town portrayed Poland in films made during World War II. Its damning indictment shows that, while Hollywood generally ignored Poland, when it did deal with the country, it portrayed it in uncomplimentary, negative, and even false ways. Why Hollywood chose to present Poland so badly—the ally whose invasion caused the start of World War II—is the subject of this work which, while thoroughly researched and documented, remains very readable and of interest to a popular Polonian readership.
http://www.polamjournal.com/Library/APHistory/Hollywood-s_War_with_Poland/hollywood-s_war_with_poland.html
it's the first time i see something like this
>>52947963
Been there too. Israel is interesting, but as I said, I wouldn't exchange living in Poland for living there.
>>52948018
>>52948037
Not arguing with you or anything, but honestly those are bad sources.
Very bias.
>>52948012
Finland tell me something about our relationship
Are we friends?
>>52947720
laughing won't make your people or country less shit. It won't reverse you brain damage either.
>>52947758
>gets proven wrong
>posts more retarded none sense
I'd still pick being a Israeli over a pole every time.
>>52947839
Being out your retard containment zone is compensation enough
>>52947848
unlike poles we actually invent and create, so again we're superior to you and deep down you know it too and it drives you crazy.
>>52948171
Why is that merchant not happy?
g-guys, stop it
>People putting us as their greatest ally.
This is a joke right?
>>52948142
Churchill and Mannerheim got along well.
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/juhani.putkinen/Englan1.jpg
>>52948160
How could we ever compete with a chosen race that God wanted to abort on every possible ocassion?
>>52948227
Shut up anime faggot.
Can't you see were having fun?
>>52948064
bullshit, even you cant be retarded enough to hate Jews and visit Israel. If you did you'd know how much better then poland we really are
>>52948244
this desu
>>52948244
I know right?
You even managed to Jew us!
>>52948308
I don't hate Jews. I participate in this discussion because it gives me opportunity to ask Jews some questions that I've been wondering about.
>>52948121
>jewish sources are less biased
k...
>>52948308
you live in the desert. do you know that?
>>52948264
every country the tried is either gone or a shithole, while we thrive everywhere. Meanwhile Polish people are failures everywhere.
>>52948278
Got it, non-anime faggot.
keep going.
>>52948419
okay chaim
>>52948339
Look at this Jew attempting to blame others for his peoples hardships.
Well we aren't falling for it...
>>52948366
maybe you're not the pole then. What questions?
>>52948410
no, I don't. Thinking Israel is all desert just shows more how full of shit you are.
>>52948387
I don't know about any Jewish sources stating there is no hollywood war on Poland.
I'm just staying that a polish professor dealing with that subject is not objective.
Therefore that's a bad source for convincing people.
Not everything is a comparison m8
>>52948064
i understand but you can't deny that life there's better.
for example i love argentina and i wouldn't go to live to israel, but i admit that life quality is better there
>>52948506
did I say all in the desert? But it is a desert.
>>52948446
Thank you Hitler-senpai.
>>52948467
WE DEVELOPED THE CHIEFTAIN TANK AND SHIET THEN YOU REFUSED TO SELL IT TO US AND WE HAD TO MAKE MERKAVAS OURSELVES
>>52948464
you know its true my failed country living friend. Meanwhile our conditions keep improving rapidly despite our situation. Stay a failure!
>>52948531
as far as i understand your argument it is pretty comprehensive analysis of "portrait of poles in the american cinema". and who's going to do such a work other than the pole? other people just don't give a damn about it.
i'll have to admit that this is the first time i saw someone mentions "war" but those "dumb polacks" is getting pretty annoying as you watch older movies...
>>52948419
http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/10/01/israeli-statistics-bureau-reveals-muslim-population-decrease-rise-in-employment/#
So you have 8.5 milion population... which includes 1.5 milion muslims?
Even Germany (which, mind you, did try to destroy your nation) is in better situation than Israel, despite the refugee crisis.
Not to mention how strong German economy is etc. etc.
So how come you claim every nation hostile to your nation is "either gone or a shithole"?
>>52948639
no. I live close to mountains and beaches. No sand around me and it's cold and rainy right now. Stay wrong, dumb, and jelly faggot
>>52948651
All's fair in business
You should know that Scholmo
>>52948695
then try being less dumb irl
>>52948708
those are dunes and sand from the desert.
>>52948710
N-no... we Jew goyim, goyim don't Jew us.
That's just not how it's supposed to work Nigel.
>>52948759
you killed jesus you fuck!
>>52948833
had every right to! he was one of us
>>52948833
It was the Romans
>>52948506
For example the things I was mentioning in post:
>>52947204
or in:
>>52945318
So, basically: why are Jewish mass media hysterical about polls revealing that Poles (or other nations) don't like Israelis? We don't make a huge deal out of, let's say, Czech people disliking us.
And the other thing: somehow it seems that for the Jews many random (meaning: not organised) acts of violence from Polish people were worse than Germans killing milions of your people. It makes no sense.
>>52948698
Germany is dying country, if you don't understand that low birth rates + leftism + Muslims = death the. You are beyond reaching. I'd still chose Israel over Germany. And yes I've been to both.
>>52948769
No, keep proving your lack of brain cells
>>52948833
You worship a Jew from Israel while crying about Jews you fuck!
>>52948950
It's a scare tactic to make Israelis nationalistic and make Jews in other countries not feel safe and move here.
No one says Polish acts of violence were worse than what the Germans did.
But some people are mad at the fact that you wont take responsibility for it, and they inflate and exaggerate the problem.
>>52947796
us,italians and hungarians(they failed tho)
>>52948950
>why are Jewish mass media hysterical about polls revealing that Poles (or other nations) don't like Israelis?
We don't, we literally have no hostilities to anyone but Muslims and I only reacted the way I did because I literally see polish last names or polish flags making the most frequent comments against us
>We don't make a huge deal out of, let's say, Czech people disliking us.
Again we don't make a big deal about it but the difference is you aren't the largest victim of hate crimes around the world and anyone would get tired of being blamed for shit you have nothing to do with
>And the other thing: somehow it seems that for the Jews many random (meaning: not organised) acts of violence from Polish people were worse than Germans killing milions of your people. It makes no sense.
Because instead of a government killing us based on a dictator, it was our neighbors, "friends", people who were friendly with us in the past historically and yet turned their backs on us. We recognize the good poles but the stories from our families in Poland make us feel like we were stabbed in the back. So we left to Israel, only to be hated even more. Put yourself in our position just once and think how that would feel.
>>52949208
That scare tactic explains a lot.
Honestly, mentioning antisemitism as a huge problem of Poland seems strange to me. It exists, just like racism, but since the population is pretty homogenous it definitely isn't among the most important problems that Poland has.
As to the acts of violence, taking responsibility was easier (or: more obvious?) for Germans, since their violence was organised by their state. The grass-root, spontaneous acts of violence from some Polish people... how is the country, as an organisation, supposed to take responsiblity for this?
>>52949313
The level of many anons here is extremely low, but it's 4chan, you know... But at least it allows people from different countries to discuss in one place.
As to the rest, that's what I thought about the violence - that it's aggravating because it was done by neighbours. On the other hand, you probably don't know how many stories can be heard in Poland about people's grandparents being killed because the Jews informed on them. Still, being more angry with those acts than with German army making the whole hell break loose (and killing milions of both Poles and Jews) doesn't make sense.
>>52949216
Do you really think this about your nation?
>>52947204
I don't care about people who hate Jews or think there's some conspiracy. You're right. polish anti-semitism is not a threat to Jews. Polish people were and are still very anti-Semitic. German antisemitism was worse than polish antisemitism but it isn't today. I'm not really sure what the disagreement is.
>>52949779
It's not just 4chan though or the past. I lived in America before and many childhood friends I had were polish and Ukrainian. We were best friends and recently I found their face books again and both posted tons of anti Semitic stuff about how Jews are killing their countries and how evil Israel is and we were inseparable during childhood. I don't hold it against all polish people but it's things like that that really did it for many Jews.
>>52950535
our """"""backstabbing""""" in ww2 shortened the war by about six months
other than ww2 i can't imagine we backstabbed anybody,if anything we got backstabbed alot throughout our history
>>52941843
1.Poland
2.Pakistan
>>52950735
The disagreement started with this post:
>>52942593
I can't agree with saying that Polish antisemitism was worse than German one.
>>52950780
I understand, but those are pretty random opinions of some people you know who live somewhere in the USA. They were your friends so it must be shocking to you though.
>>52947225
Most israelis ive met seem pretty cool, so do most Palestinians (might be because i look arab) are all the crazys ones in the border settlements?
>>52945318
That's what happens when a national/ethnic group's entire modern identity is built around fearmongering. Everything always goes back to the holocaust and makes being Jewish amount to little more than extreme tribalism.
