r8 my future travel plan anons.
I'd love to add more countries but I'm not sure how
expensive it will even be.
>>52935089
>falling for the Azure Coast meme
>ignoring based Belgium completely
>ignoring the Balkans
filth/10
>>52935140
BELGIUM ISN'T EVEN A COUNTRY.
Also I wanted to visit the Balkans but my Russian friend told me to not go there and skip it. ;_;
>>52935089
'Ere you are, what about Belgrade man? Fucking classic.
>>52935158
>Russian friend
>>52935089
Go straight to Stockholm and avoid Malmö at all cost.
>no balkans at all
>no Belgium and Holland
>>52935186
>holland
>belgium
>countries
FUCK OFF
>>52935140
>ignoring based Belgium completely
he is visiting france anon :^)
>>52935186
don't waste your time Schlomo he seems to be a typical clueless yankee who treats Europe like Disneyland
>>52935200
epik meme
>>52935089
>Marseille
I think you'll regret this
>>52935207
I haven't even planned it yet. I just pasted a map of europe in photoshop and planned a basic route. I posted it on /int/ hoping you'd critique it into giving me good places to visit. I wanted you to do the work for me because I'm a drunk fuck and it's New Years.
Go on then.
>>52935158
Without Balkans you haven't seen shit.
>>52935290
How expensive is traveling in Europe with trains? I want to go everywhere but I'm a poor clapper.
>>52935290
>Without Balkans you haven't seen shit
Maybe he already was in India and seen enough shit? *smug_pepe.jpg*
>>52935318
3 pesos per 500km (that's 1500 miles)
so you're taking like three months to do that trip right?
>>52935357
Not you too greatest ally ;-;
>>52935318
get inter-ray and stay in shitty student motels if you want it cheap, don't blame me if you get tapped in eastern europe though
>>52935454
or have his kidneys stolen in Albania
>>52935207
you just seem buttblasted about americans, that's a pretty huge itinerary already.
>>52935452
Just a barter
>>52935089
I would avoid Poland and go from Vienna straight to Prague saves you a lot of time.
>>52935089
>Le capitals
boring
>>52935539
"Le capitals" are interesting though. Most likely the places with most history inside the country.
>>52935539
Give me some ideas you fucking cocksucker. I don't know shit about your cuck continent. I want to visit everything but I'm not made out of money
>>52935589
youre fucking retarded if you think youre gonna be able to see all of that without like 10k and three months of time, unless you just want to spend two days in every city and then spend a day traveling tbqh
>>52935318
Within Europe it's the best to travel with plane. For ex check wizzair, easyjet, Ryanair, airberlin. If you plan in advance you can get tickets for 15-30 EUR to most European cities.
>>52935583
>Berlin
>Brussels
>Amsterdam
>Interesting and historical places
>>52935609
I'm aware and have enough money saved. I want to be conservative with it though. I am planning on a few months abroad.
>>52935589
yea, that's 64 days if you just spend two days in each city not factoring in travel
>>52935646
Berlin is pretty interesting and historic to me.
>>52935589
Bratislava is noth special or better, nothing new in terms of mentality or architecture. You will see the same in bigger size like 10 times on your trip. Poland I'd visit Cracow instead of Warsaw. Also Stockholm is boring as fuck, by seeing Copenhagen you've seen this architecture and mentality as well. You should go to Norway instead to enjoy some nature. Also, with the exception of Berlin basically every German city looks the same. You should dedicate more time to Spain and Italy as there its pretty diverse, also you should visit at least Split to get an idea of Balkans, it's near your route anyway.
>>52935648
if you want my advice, cause i dont think youre gonna get any from anyone else in here, cause everyone's buttblasted that youre going on vacation apparently
dont spread yourself too thin and don't rail yourself to an itinerary that much
last time i went to europe i found out that i really liked athens so i spent 3 or 4 days longer there than i expected to, but i budgeted a lot of time for things like that so it didnt matter
>>52935688
The only interesting things in Berlin are a gate and a fucking broken wall
meme travel plan imo
>>52935089
do this >>52935702 OP, enjoy your trip.
>>52935609
>>52935089
pretty much this
capital hopping is the worst way to see Europe, it's even worse than literal package tours.
OP, I'd suggest picking one country or an area (Balkans, former A-H, Benelux, etc.) and travelling only there for starters.
Try to get an idea why you want to travel in the first place so that you base your trip around that.
If you're in it for the history and culture, off tracking is neat.
If you're in it for the people, going off the beaten track is essential.
If you just want to party in clubs and are a trust fund kiddie, then you might as well capital hop.
>>52935089
skip Neapole unless muh heritage wop instinct. Also idk bout Marseilles but French posters tend to shit on it as kabul tier so ask around first. I have a travel book from the late 80s on it and it looks really nice though, esp the style of grand buildings which are almost a precursor of the stripped classicism and show a lot of decorative restraint unseen in French arhitecture at that time,which tended to be top heavy with a lot of statues and shit perched on roofs.
>>52935648
Let me help you.
You cant possibly visit ALL THOSE PLACES in three months AND ENJOY IT.
Make a list of all the cities you want to visit then begin to narrow it down until you reach the top 5.
That way you might visit lets say the Western Europe and come back another time for eastern.
>>52935702
Also this 10/10 pro tip
>>52935089
Skip Marseille, go Nice.
Skip Zagreb, go Dubrovnik.
Go Stalingrad, Kotor, Sarajevo, Greece and Istanbul
An ok basic tour.
Alright I've decided to just spend the money on a gun to kill myself with thanks for the help though
>>52935478
Or he can insult someone in Montenegro and get a blood feud on his ass that won't stop until his entire family is dead.
>>52935833
>>52935798
daww, did the mean yuwopean huwt youw feewings?
>>52935848
not him, im the guy that said the same thing, but europeans do literally the same thing with the US. they think that they're gonna do NYC, Florida, and California in the same trip cause it's just one country.
>>52935089
Frankfurt is shit. Dont go there.
Munich, Berlin (shithole but nice to visit) and Hamburg are fine. Go to Nuremberg instead.
>>52935865
The difference is that I was planning on spending around 3 months or so rather than two weeks. Luckily now I will only need to spend a second. Fuck this earth
>>52935701
Visiting Croatia's coastal cities during the winter is a waste of time unless you really get old architecture hard-on. And in the summer it's all horribly commercialized tourism when no one really wants your ass around, but you're tolerated because you're a spender. Ironically, I found continental parts of Croatia to be much more tourist friendly for some reason.
>>52935789
Istanbul is dangerous senpai
>>52935916
quit being so melodramatic, most people are gonna look at that and assume that you are taking a month off tops. you did get some good advice in here it's up to you to use it or not.
>>52935939
not to mention if he only speaks english he's fucked over here unless it's summer because croatia is not an english-friendly country aka you won't find shit written in english anywhere
>>52935865
well, most people don't have experience with travel and only do one or two meme trips to europe, usa or thailand and so they have unrealistic expectations.
What doesn't help is that those people then go on to create travel advice in some kind of media (or it's memes like Roadtrip), that reinforce these perceptions.
What's hilarious though is that the guy is so easily offended over this thread.
>>52936004
EuroTrip*
Take the train to Göteborg/Gothenburg, Scandinavians biggest harbor city.
>>52935089
Don't come to Switzerland unless to do ski/hiking in the mountains,
Seriously, swiss cities are shit to visit.
>>52935906
After reading the thread: Your trip will be shit in such a short time. Go to fewer cities and take your time there. You can cut out Bordeaux, Lisbon, Malaga, Valencia, Marseille (Jesus, dont go there), Naples, Laibach, Zagreb, Bratislava, Warsaw, Bern, Frankfurt, Berlin, Copenhagen
All of these can be explored for two weeks and my list here may or may not be the best but if you have limited time, cut them out and take several days for each city.
>>52935089
Looks alright but keep in mind that London is not representative of the UK. Fuck that shit hole.
>>52936072
my dad hiked the alps in the 70's and still talks about it
he went up some mountain and when he reached his stay at the top the guy tapped a keg for him and his buddies and they just got hammered on the top of a mountain
he also agrees that your country is boring tho
I recomend Granada in your way to Valencia. Very cheap and nice small city.
Why do people recommend Balkans, do you like commie blocks? No ? Don't go here
>>52935089
>leaving out The Netherlands and Belgium
>leaving out every good part of the UK + Ireland
>leaving out Norway
>leaving out the Baltic countries
try again/10
And I'm not quite sure why you'd want to go through so many Eastern Yuro countries.
>>52936157
your country is only good for nature (which we have more than enough of here) and is JUST tier expensive
>>52935089
>not going to Moldova
The Netherlands is very expensive.
everyone here is going to be whiny. i'm surprised that you're surprised to see this. just do what >>52935702 said. most of the advice here is pretty shit otherwise.
just have fun. if you don't get to see everything, save up more and take another trip. it doesn't have to be done all at once
>>52935688
Amsterdam and Brussels are too. Don't tell him that though
>>52935724
>t. never been to Berlin
shut the fuck up ye limey cunt
>>52935833
Oh man I forgot that Negro Mountain was a country
>>52936218
when someone makes a "where have you traveled to" thread in here you see why all of the advice is so shit or people just shitpost for this kind of thing pretty quickly
>>52936171
Prices may be an issue, but there's nothing wrong with our cities.
>>52936268
>limey
How Americanised are you m8? Most people here wouldnt even know what that means let alone be offended by it
>>52936444
>Most people here
where? it's pretty common on 4chan m9. are you new?
>>52936444
No one here has said "limey" for 70 years or more. It's retained in the dictionary as a curiosity
>>52936273
Yeah, it's all fun and games until you realize ancient Canon law is so ingrained in Montenegrin people, especially rural people, that you can't really count on modern laws to save your ass if you fuck up. Stick to big cities.
>>52936494
some angry brits literally just get booty blasted if you use american words in english, thats all it takes for some of them
>>52936563
>english
I'm sorry we only speak American here, friend. :^)
>>52936494
I clearly wasnt even going on about 4chan m8, and its not even common on here anyway.
Marseille isn't very special neither is Milan or Naples imo, Warsaw supposedly is overrated and Kraków is only worth one day unless you go to auschwitz
>>52936586
>wasnt even going on about 4chan m8
then why does it matter? it's not like i went up to your country and shouted it out on the streets. i know what i meant. you know what i meant. i don't see the problem?
also visit Amsterdam instead of 4 cities in Germany
>>52936552
Not saying they aren't wild motherfuckers but the average American who is aware of Montenegro's existence thinks of it as some kind of small town
>>52935089
>Marseille
>Not Lyon
>>52936640
Calm down m8. I pointed it out because it makes you look stupid
>>52936682
i am calm, friend. you seem to be a little upset with my use of a certain word. if you didn't know what it meant, all you had to do was just ask.
>>52936682
actually the whole thing made you look stupid, it's as if you genuinely got triggered by an archaic slander
>>52936714
It doesnt quite seem like youre calm, getting a bit too overexcited are we? :^)
>>52936754
>:^)
that doesn't make you look less mad. try again.
>>52936749
Theres no need to be mad over such a minor affair m8
>>52936779
You dont have to resort to name calling just because you are upset m8
>>52935089
if i were you, i wouldn't visit those cities in one 'mega-tour'. Think of it like this: Would you rather eat pizza, burger, and everything else you like in one sit or would you distribute those to different meals to maximize your satisfaction?
>>52936813
yeah i do. in fact, that's exactly why people resort to name-calling. you're not very bright, are you?
>>52935089
Lemme advise you about Spain:
>you may want to switch Granada for Malaga and skip Valencia if you are already visiting a Mediterranean city (Barcelona)
>you skipped a Northern Spanish city and/or a Castilian city, which in order to really getting to know the country is a must, but maybe you don't have time/money enough so it is up to you; let me know if you were interested
>try to use buses when moving from one city to another; for example, from Seville to Granada, or from Granada to Barcelona (search ALSA); maybe from Madrid to Lisboa is better to take a train
Maybe other Spanish anons can correct me
>>52936881
Shouldnt you be a bit more happy considering its the first day of the year?
>>52936963
>he lets the calendar dictate his emotions
what
>>52935089
>greece not even in the plan
The reddit is real lads
>>52935539
>>52935646
>>52935724
>>52936444
>>52936586
>>52936682
>>52936754
>>52936780
>>52936813
>>52936963
LIMEYS ON LIME SUPPORT
>>52937034
>LIME SUPPORT
kek
>>52937002
>>52937090
>resorting to memes
classic limeposting right here. go back to /brit/
>>52935158
SOME OF YOU ARE ALRIGHT. DON'T GO TO BALKANS TOMORROW.
>>52935089
Sorry, but why would you want to go to Frankfurt? It's one of the worst big cities in Germany and there's literally nothing to do.
While traveling from Bern to Frankfurt visit Strassbourg.
>>52937266
He could listen to some cool, hip, Turkish rappers! :D
>>52937111
>resorting to being mad
:^)
>>52937453
you're the one who's still replying to me because of a word i used an eternity ago. i can feel my screen radiate with rage. settle down, limey
You're basically just visiting capitals of european countries, that's your travel plan.
>>52935089
Few advices :
Don't spread so much.
If you'r eally through France, I'd suggest you to change direction. Bordeaux is pretty but a bit expensive, I'd go to Lyon and stick around the whole region, it's one of the most beautiful area of the country and it's relatively tourist free.
I'd take Aix over Marseille (they're right next to each other)
>>52937486
>letting imageboards dictate your emotions
:^)
>>52937506
There's absolutely no reason to go to Switzerland and visit just Bern or go to Croatia and spend your time in Zagreb, lol. American-tier travel plan desu.
>>52935089
Replace Frankfurt with Amsterdam
>>52937577
>implying
>>52935089
Visit Turin, not Milan. Milan is a culture less shithole.
>>52935089
>goes to Croatia
>main travel destination is Zagreb
AYYYYYYYYYYYY LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>52937577
You really don't know when to stop, do you?
>>52937642
kek, don't listen to this guy, Turin is terrible
>>52937660
Why are all australians such whingers?
>>52935739
Basically this. Don't just go for a shallow road trip, pick an area and enjoy yourself.
>Going through the pain in the ass to get Russian Visa
>Only going to pedikburg and Moscow
Scrap the entire trip.
>>52935089
No reason to visit bern, the nature/countryside of Switzerland is amazing take a train to see it, also visit Croatian beaches not Zagreb
>>52938262
do you honestly think he even knows about that?
>>52935089
>Marseilles
Don't go there. It's like Alger, but with commieblocks and more gunshots.
If you must choose another town, Nantes, Bordeaux or Strasbourg are good.
>>52938348
About the visa? I hope so or he's fucked. I recall hearing you can go to Peterburg for 3 days without a visa if you take the boat from Tallinn, but tbqh I doubt the ment got the memo.
>>52935089
Tallinn or some other old city in the Baltics is a better choice Helsinki.
Copenhagen is pretty boring.
Other than that looks good from what I know.
>>52935089
Just visit Munich, Vienna and Berlin in Germanosphere.
>>52935089
you're dick, stay away from Russia, fat burgershit
>>52939799
This
r8 my places to go list in Europe. I like cool architecture and castles as well as old medieval villages and churches. I don't plan on doing this all in one trip rather I'd like to maybe move to Europe on day and take the trains around to these countries every now and then. Any additions to this list I should make or things that are overrated that I should skip?
>>52942618
>Slovenia
>half of it is literally half of it (region names)
Definitely go to Bohinj (or Bled if you're into tourist traps and a nice castle) if in the warmer part of the year.
Since you're into castles and churches n shiet, go see the church in Ptuj, it's a tabor (common folk defended against turkish raids by building walls around churches)
Don't forget to visit Emona wall in Ljubljana, it's the ancient roman wall, nearly 2000 years old.
Oh and I suggest Ghent over Brugges if you're gonna have to pick and choose.
>>52942992
Hey most of the things in Slovenia are things I saw in the comment that I have copy/pasted below ljubljana. I just have them written down so I don't forget anything I want to see. I'll add Ptuj and Bohinj to the list.
>>52942618
If you like medieval villages Toledo in Spain is pretty based.
>>52943224
I've heard of Toledo before I remember being in Florida with my Grandpa and we went down a road called Toledo Blade Blvd. and he told me he was baffled that the city planners in this backwoods florida retirement town knew that Blades made in Toledo were exceptional for their time and that a Toledo blade was one of the best in the world. Can you confirm this
>>52943512
Yes Toledo steel was the top choice during the early spanish empire specially for swords. Actually a sword replica is one of the classic Toledo's souvenirs.
>>52935089
>not sure how
>expensive it will even be
buy a good tent (MSR are good for the price and weight), sleeping bag and mattress, if you're stealthy enough you'll only need 1 or 2 youth hostels a week, wash your teeth/face/armpits/dick/buttcrack in sinks in bars/public toilets/whatever, you won't need to shower everyday
eat canned chickpeas/beans etc with olive oil, a few eggs a week, and fruits/canned whole fish/canned spinach for vitamins
>inb4 hurr france nothing surprising
when travelling, daily shower are an useless luxury
>>52943828
oh and I forgot camping sites, there's a lot of them in germanic/nordic countries, they're often closed during winter but some aren't, call before
>>52936925
You're correct mate.
>>52935089
Skip Malaga and go to Granada. Avoid Valencia, not worth. Go to Bilbao in your route from Bordeaux to Madrid.
>>52942618
From Spain:
Must Tier:
- Granada
- Sevilla
- Basque Country (including Navarra)
- Madrid
Very Good Choice Tier:
- Cordoba
- Barcelona
- Santiago de Compostela
- Toledo
- Cuenca
- Mérida
- Girona
- Palma de Mallorca
- Burgos
- León
- Valladolid
- Segovia
Good Choice Tier:
- Cádiz
- Teruel
- A Coruña
- Oviedo
- Santander
- Zamora
- Lugo
- Ávila
- Zaragoza
- Tarragona
Note that I have only included main cities.
>>52945040
Malaga?
>>52945120
Not worth, IMHO. There is not much to see there, desu.
I don't really get what kind of advertisement do Malaga and Valencia receive so everyone wants to go there, when there are places much much better.
>>52935948
Why?
>>52945040
¿Pones Merida y no Caceres? ¿Que te has fumado?
>>52946418
No sé si te has fijado que me he dejado muchas ciudades fuera. Y sí, no había caído en Cáceres.
Aún así, a mi entender Mérida > Cáceres. Aunque eso ya irá por gustos personales.
La voy a añadir a la lista porque es bien bonita también.
>>52945040
I forgot to add Cáceres and Salamanca to Very Good Choice Tier.
>>52945040
You should really go to Sevilla OP. It's one of my favorite cities I've ever been to. No cars in the city center, really nice weather and beer is like 1,50 or 1 euro for half a liter. And the city is very beautiful too.
>>52947159
Well, I don't think the weather is the best, Specially in August. It is more like a hoven than a city, but it is beautiful indeed. That's why it is a must.
>>52947358
I can imagine that in the midst of summer it's way too hot but I was there in May. During that time the weather was great.
>>52947397
In general most Andalucia is a hot hell for people used to an oceanic climate.
>>52945040
I've added all the must tier and most of the Very Good choice tier. I'll do some further googling to decide which ones will make the final cut of the list or not. Thanks man
>>52947669
You're welcome, mate.
Toledo and Segovia are close to Madrid, so they are a good alternative for a one-day trip.
If you go from Sevilla to Granada, you can go to Cordoba in your way.
The rest are probably a bit out of the route.
From Basque Country, if you cannot spend a good ammount of time (a few suggestions):
Must Tier:
- Bilbao
- San Sebastián/Donostia
Very Good Tier:
- Pamplona/Iruña
- Bayonne/Baiona
- Zarauz/Zarautz
- Getaria
- Fuenterrabía/Hondarribia
- Saint Jean de Luz/Donibane Lehizune
- Biarritz/Miarritze
- San Juan de Gaztelugatxe
Good Tier:
- Vitoria
- Gernika
- Zumaia
- Orio
- Mundaka
- Orduña
- Laguardia
I don't know Maule and Saint Jean de Pied de Port to tell you.
>>52948175
Thanks for the help. Its gonna be hard to cram visiting all these cities and seeing the sights into one lifetime, but I'll try
>>52949892
I know, that's why I told you that depending on how much time you have there are more or less places to visit.
It all depends on how many days you want to spend in an area. You can have a nice overview of Basque Country with 4 days (minimum, I'll say). But you can be here forever and yet have places that you don't know.
On the same fashion, Spain is rather huge and diverse. I'll say there are many cities that require no less than two days (other as much as three or four just to have a general view of it). Of course, some smaller/less interesting ones can be seen in a day. And once again, I'm only speaking of major cities. If we add smaller towns and villages that are well worth a visit...
Are you planning any trip anytime soon?
>>52950123
No this trip isn't happening very soon I'm still pretty young. When I graduate Uni I hope I can travel more extensively though. Spain as well as France and Italy interest me quite a bit regarding European countries. I want to spend as much time there as I can
>>52950919
We'll see what happens in the future, but whenever you're about to come, open a thread so we can discuss it and advise you.
>>52935089
>skipping tallinn
>skipping oslo
>skipping benelux completely
>frankfurt
>bern not zurich
>warsaw not krakow or gdansk
>zagreb not split or dubrovnik
>skipping ravenna
>marseille instead of nice
>skipping porto
>skipping toledo
>bordeaux
This might be the most MURRIKAN ONNA YUROTRIP map I've ever seen
>>52951517
>skipping tallinn
Agree
>skipping oslo
Disagree. Norway has an amazing nature, but Oslo is plain ugly.
>skipping benelux completely
Agree
>zagreb not split or dubrovnik
Agree
>skipping porto
Agree
>skipping toledo
Agree
>bordeaux
Disagree. Bordeaux is beautiful.
>skipping bilbao
brrruh
>>52942618
>Marse
>petite ceinture
3 whole departments, you have to be more explicit. You should just consider it as part of the Parisian metropolis, and call it Paris.
>pic du midi
Just a mountain. There is a good view, an observatory, but if you are not in this place for another reason, it does not worths ten hours of driving.
>Chambord
We have hundred of castles like this one. You should do the "road of the wine" following the Loire and meet all the chateaux and troglodytes habitations there.
>Dordogne
Comfy as fuck, but it is very large. As a turist, you should focus on a few things.
>>52952034
I meant by the petit ceinture actually trying to sneak onto the old elevated train track because I heard there was some cool stuff to see up there. Its kind of degenerate though I'll consider taking that part off.
I was told the Aiguille du midi is a must by another Frenchman on this board...not sure what to believe here
Road of the wine sounds interesting I'll look into that.
What is Marse? Is that another name for the loire valley?
>>52942618
You might enjoy Carcassonne in France.
>>52952034
>>52953017
Is this the road of the wine you are talking about?
>>52953121
No, he's talking about the Loire river.
It's full of castle (built during the Renaissance by noble to replace their fortress) and winery (white wine essentially).
>>52954266
Ah I see. I'll look into that
American, listen here. If you want to have MEMORABLE experiences that you'll remember for decades and stories worth telling, don't go to the nice parts everyone recommends. They're usually tourist traps filled with DSLR-carrying chinks and gypsies using every trick up their sleeve to rob you. At most you'll take some decent photos but that's about it.
Imo cities worth visiting:
-Berlin
-Dublin
-Budapest
-Prague
-Belgrade
-Sunny beach in bulgaria is cheap as fuck, lots of euros and jews.
-Athens
-Paris (find some huge artist performing to see the stadiums)
-Catch at least one summer festival: tomorrowland, sziget, exit in serbia.
Rest is garbage you can see when you're in your middle age and taking your kids on a culture trip.
You'll feel the history under your feet as you walk places like Berlin, smell the air where fucking Hitler used to hold rallies, see the east/west wall divisions, party it up, go down to slavshit capitals, see amazing architecture (Prague inspired the Disney logo for instance) and try out the best beer for next to nothing. People walk everywhere, you don't need a car. Drop by the balkans so you go out your comfort zone a bit, and try to end it in Paris because it has the nicest architecture ever. Flights in europe are cheap (they can go down to $10-20 one way) but take buses even if it takes longer because you'll see the landscape, it's the best thing ever. Good luck.
