How was Iran before islam? I heard it used to be much better than it is today. Why would they change it?
>>52898242
From what angle could it be better than what it is today? I am %100 sure that by all definitions of life quality, Iran is ahead of Zoroastrian times today. Hell, I could even argue that 10th century Iran was ahead of Zoroastrian Iran in terms of life quality.
Stupid thread.
>>52898338
Autism: the post
>>52898338
this Tbh
>>52898242
>I heard it used to be much better than it is today.
Iran has been through many 'golden ages' and some of those were during Islamic rule e.g. Safavid dynasty - probably the most significant and it was Islamic.
>>52898338
I think he means before the Islamic revolution
>>52898338
http://sereen.com/
Prince Sereen disagrees.
>>52898607
Yep, that's it. Before the 80s.
>>52898607
makes sense. In that case OP, it was a revolution, people didn't collectively "changed" it. Just like Bolshevik revolution.
>>52898242
Why the hell did they stylize Iran with Sanskrit?
Ignorant fucks
>>52898607
Its stupid calling it pre-islam then, because pre-islam means 1300+ years ago.
>>52898747
It's like Islam is going backwards by time. Turkey under Ataturk(before Erdogan) and Afghanistan before taliban, were much more liberal. Get you shit together Muhammed
>>52898747
Revolutions usually happen because someone is pissed. Who was pissed and why?
>>52898880
Sorry, Sven.
>tfw no Iran ally
Iran should go back to Zoroastrianism.
>>52899096
my Iran is zoroastrian on EU4 that's as far as I got from my fantasy
America's biggest mistake was the Iranian revolution
>>52899096
>Zoroastrianism
Biggest fucking meme that idiots hype up.
Read up on it. Mancheanism is superior.
>>52898892
>Turkey under Ataturk(before Erdogan)
no, not really.
Ataturk's rule was even more authoritarian that what it is now today. Economically too, AKP is the Turkey's most liberal party.
Also Ataturk's way of going ended way, way before AKP. I would say it ended with his death infact.
So in short, you should stop talking about things you don't know. And before you start spouting memes, I am not a muslim and I never was.
>>52898951
Considering the revolution was Islamic, I would say it was the muslims. As to why, there were many opposition to monarchy at the time for various reasons. The religious revolters came on top to others and establshed their system.
>>52899278
>there are people who have not converted to Baha'ism yet
>>52898880
Actually pre islam in sweden is only 10 years ago
>>52899319
I don't like you turks. I believe you are up to no good.
>>52899357
They have great gardens I'll give them that.
>>52899430
alright
>>52899319
ataturk was statist, but erdogan is crony capitalism/neoliberal socialism. it means no longer having state do something, but giving it to your family and friends in the "private" sector.
>>52899357
Meme religion that came to be from Sufi Islam
>>52899744
yes?
>>52899765
"sufi" islam is not a thing, stop getting your information from memes. and Baha'i religion doesn't have much to do with "sufism"
>>52899870
Go away, turk.
>>52899319
But a dictator in the middle-east is a good thing. That's what works. Democracy in the western world. Dictators in the middle-east. you cockroaches only obey dictators
>>52898951
>Who was pissed and why?
Political/religious disenfranchisement under the Shah. Affected many people outside the cities.
All those pictures you see of women without burqas and the liberal standards among society in places like Afghanistan and Iran were only in the larger population centers. People outside it were often poor, durka, and angry. It could never last without a deeper bottom-up religious reformation, which never came.
>>52899278
>Mancheanism is superior.
This
>>52899939
>Turkey under Ataturk(before Erdogan) and Afghanistan before taliban, were much more liberal. Get you shit together Muhammed
>But a dictator in the middle-east is a good thing.
Are you a belly-dancer?
>>52899924
hue hue
>>52899870
>t. islam expert
i ve been to a sufi mowled in egypt
it is very much a thing
and balkans has a number of sufi tekkes left, for instance
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/bosnia-s-dervishes-in-a-spin-over-rebuilt-tekke
just because you come from a muslim majority country doesnt make you an expert on islam m8
>>52900442
So? I am not saying "sufism" isn't a thing, I am saying "sufi Islam" isn't a thing. "sufi" tarikats are very much different from each other, they can't be thought of collectively. Their only common idea is vahded-i vücud (pantheism), and some even don't share that idea. Tasavvuf (sufism) is a way of life/thought, the only point is to reach God and all, all tarikats have a different way. That is why there is no "sufi islam".
You shouldn't make judgments without background knowledge, or else you make mistakes like this.
and i never claimed I am an expert or anything, I am just pointing out his (and your) mistake.
>>52900146
Well, I meant liberal from a Western perspective. I don't give a shit about your freedom :^)
>>52900744
he was never implying there is a coherent sufi islam, unified central body and/or doctrine. there is a sufi islam in a sense of there are many various sufi movements in existence.
>>52900782
You just got BTFO you dumb piece of shit, accept it and don't backpeddle
>>52900934
>post
>trips: Arabier
>Arab
Disregard post
>>52901028
You literally can't keep an argument coherent in two posts, you're dumb as shit
>>52898338
He meant how was it before the Persians became slaves to the retarded islamic caliphate you stupid mongolian rape child.
>>52901126
Try me
>>52901028
>>52901182
How about this:
>says he will disregard post
>still replies
That's another example. The primary one being the Turk exposing you and you backpedaling.
>>52901135
Iran is not ruled by a caliph you fucking fat burger
>>52901126
On a second thought. Let me explain myself. If the arab world can not contain a democracy (set aside based Ataturk). Like Iran or Afghanistan before the islamic bullshit. Then i'd prefer a dictator that keeps islamic retardness down, instead of a islamic republic OR a chaos terrorist nest.
>>52901370
BITCH!
Has the kebab affected your mental capacity?
>>52901460
Fuck off retard
>>52899924
My o my, are you going to cry?
>>52900817
>there is a sufi islam in a sense of there are many various sufi movements in existence.
I can agree with this, but still, naming tasavvuf "sufi islam" implies it is a mezheb (sect) like Shia Islam / Sunni Islam / Ibadi Islam, which it definitely isn't.
>>52901328
why do you even try sandmate? It is pointless
>>52901383
And i correct myself, even not democratic, but ruled by monarchs or sjahs. I'd prefer an arab country focused on western values, instead of islamic values. Even if said country is being oppressed
>>52901506
>>52901370
>camel fuckers in the western world
>>52898842
>stylize Iran with Sanskrit?
the writing system for Sanskrit is called "Devnagri"
>>52901746
What part of "Iran is not ruled by a caliph" do you not understand?
>>52899008
Memes aside,i think Israel got its right to become a country themoment it gangbanged arabs in six day war
sorry for basd english i'm high on codiene and dxm right now
(PS i'm not chubak)
>>52899357
This
>>52899765
No it didn't you moron... Did you look at that shitty world religions diagram? Please do your research. Bahai religion and Islam have nothing to do with each other. There are a few similarities (fasting, daily prayer, etc) that make t easier for people to convert
Pre-islamic iranian culture was resilient enough to blend with islam and my understanding is that arab expansions ended up spreading iranian culture to north africa and the indian subcontinent.
>>52898242
Achaemenid Empire was the world's largest by fraction of world population. Pretty based desu
