>USSR launches first rocket
>USSR launches first satellite into orbit
>USSR launches first animal into space
>USSR launches first man (and woman) into space
>USA "really did" crash a shitbox into the moon and a dude they pulled off the street puts up a toy flag from Dollar Market
>"USA wun da space race, we numba wun oonga boonga!"
Why are Americans so pants-on-head retarded?
being first isnt mean being better
how you can compare first man into space, and landing on a moon?
>>52852798
get shot you comunist faggot
>>52852972
>get shot
I would, but I don't want to appropriate American "culture".
>>52852798
I think you need to calm down.
>>52852798
Both countries did impressive things with space to be honest.
>mfw we'll be on mars while people from other buttblasted countries still remain in disbelief at our greatness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI5L_vu-Pq4
>>52853256
Can you do it asap please?
t. whole world
>>52853256
>we'll be on mars
>>52853364
[Square]
>>52852798
Also the Mir station is a hundred times more impressive than the Moon landing. The problem is that, despite the objective fact than the USSR was well ahead of the USA for the whole space race, stepping on the Moon is symbolically very powerful, so it was very easy for America to focus its propaganda solely on it and forget they were late for literally everything before, and after (except for the whole Mars thing of course but the context is completely different). It's really just a matter of public image.
Eat a dick, Iranian diaspora Canuck.
>>52853576
>Also the Mir station is a hundred times more impressive than the Moon landing
Just what's impressive about routine LEO flight.
>The problem is that, despite the objective fact than the USSR was well ahead of the USA for the whole space race
Excluding all these?
>discovery of the Van Allen Belts
>first communications satellite
>first reconnaissance satellite
>first two week long manned mission
>first liquid hydrogen engine
>first large solid rocket motors
>first weather satellite
>first human beings to exit Earth orbit
>first successful flyby of Venus
>first closeup photos of Mars
>first landing on Mars
>first manmade object to exit the solar system
>>52853576
It's more accurate to say that the space race was like a football game where the Soviets got off an early game scoring drive, then fumbled the ball, their running back tore his ACL, and they had a pick returned for a touchdown.
>>52853679
Also all Russian Mars probes failed hard.
>>52853865
It's not football you are talking about there.
>UK combines rocket/jet engines and invents the spaceplane, sells to the rest of the first world and propels everyone's space-travel abilities
>>52854209
>>52853679
Sorry anon, but I take issue with this list. It is lacking in a lot.
>First flyby of
>>Mercury
>>Mars
>>Jupiter
>>Saturn
>>Uranus
>>Neptune
>>Pluto
>longest time spent on Venus' surface
>Best maps of Venus
>First Orbiter of
>Mars
>Jupiter
>Saturn (with ESA)
>Ceres
>Nifty landing on Eros
>Hubble
>Kepler
>Only country to succesfully conduct missions on the surface of another planet.
The list could go on. USSR had some great acheivments too, but cherrypicked lists do little to prove anything except to those who are ignorant or already agree.
>>52853865
I don't know much about American football so I'm not sure to get it all but it seems like a funny image nonetheless so I'll accept this as a conclusion.
Nobody would go into space if Russia and America didn't want to murderfuck each other.
This is a sad fact. S.P. Korolev barely convinced Soviet leadership about benefits of artificial satellites and manned spaceflight. He and his colleagues had to lobby like crazy and literally make shit up about military applications of these technologies as they went to get it approved.
Sputnik, Laika and Gagarin all rode a refubrished ICBM.
Thank Sergei Korolev as a person, not a national.
The Crew of Apollo 15 brough to the moon a small statuette and a plaque listing both Astronauts and Cosmonauts who laid their lives pioneering manned spaceflight.
And so crew of Apollo 1 and Yuri Gagarin, among others all went to the moon together.
>>52855044
>>52852876
Because the Soviet Union also put the first probes in the moon and Venus.
Putting a man in the moon was purely for dickwaving and pride. It served no scientific purpose whatsoever.
Soviet Union = nation of science
USA = nation of propaganda
>>52853679
>Just what's impressive about routine LEO flight.
Well, there's the fact that it's useful enough that we've kept doing it ever since, whereas the moon has hardly been touched.
>>52856788
You should know about your own program.
There is a lot of work going on--it just is robotic. Which might be more efficient anyway.
why didn't anyone just watch the moon landing through a telescope?
>>52852798
america wont be a superpower anymore in 20 years mate so all this will be pointless. USA is in decline.
>>52860426
the ocean is still ours for a while
>>52852798
Jesus loves us more than the soviets so he let us win the space race.
>>52855699
hahahaha holy shit
I can disagree with you but I am too lazy now
>>52860467
maybe you will be still rich but when you think about it all the atrocities committed by superpowers seems so vain and all the suffering people have been through thanks to the ambitions of your country will be forgotten. Does it really worth it mate?
>>52853865
Or like the Patriots going undefeated only to lose to Eli in the Superbowl.
Won every match except the one that mattered.
>>52860662
probably not
>>52860662
>atrocities committed by superpowers
Lmao baka desu senpai. The US is by far one of the most benevolent superpowers of all time
>>52852798
>Hubble telescope
>Mars rovers
>probes that left our solar system
>RUSSIA WON YOU GUISE
>first rocket doesn't matter even though the advances and discoveries for it had massive ramifications
>first satellite doesn't matter even though the advances and discoveries for it had massive ramifications
>first animal in space doesn't matter even though the advances and discoveries for it had massive ramifications
>first human in space doesn't matter even though the advances and discoveries for it had massive ramifications
>FIRST MAN ON THE MOON MEANS EVERYTHING WE WON THE SPACERACE EVEN THOUGH WE ONLY GOT A FEW ROCKS OF LIMITED USE
I bet not a single Murrifat can explain to me why landing on the moon mattered more than anything the USSR did. Go on, I'll be waiting.
>>52852798
USSR won the space race.
USSR lost the cold war and failed as a nation. That's all. Super simple.
>>52860837
>The US is by far one of the most benevolent superpowers of all time
yes because times changed dont think for a second just because america looks benevolent it really is. millions died by the interventions of america. You guys dont appreciate peace enough.
>>52861138
It's cooler
>>52861138
>WE WUZ FIRST WE WUN
USA did all that shit and one-upped Russian by going to the Moon.
>>52852798
>USSR launches first rocket
awful meme lad.
>>52860662
Tbh we were pretty benign compared to the Soviets and the global cucking Britian did while it was on top.
>>52861141
>nation
lol, what is soviet nation ?
>>52861138
>sweden mad
your rockets really are *that* small?
>>52861138
The purpose of the race was to get a man on the moon. We accomplished that before the USSR. In a race it doesn't matter who was the fastest on the first couple laps it matters who crossed the line first.
>>52861168
Yeah ok, the US just loves to go out and slaughter people right? Our corporations want us to bomb and kill civilians so they can make loads of money. The US has never once thought about the lives of people from other countries. The US is a bloodthirsty country, just like Russia, China, England, Turkey, Japan, France, Germany, Brazil, and so many other countries.
>>52861420
sure compared to any colonial power or stalin you guys are better but that still doesnt make your state innocent or good. my point is in 100 years or so mankind wont remember any of atrocities committed today. they wont be forgotten totally, sure. but they wont be able feel empathy towards them like most people do. and thats as good as forgotten so i feel sad about it perhaps i feel down today i dont know.
>>52861496
>The purpose of the race was to get a man on the moon.
The goal of the space race was to make a human achieve a manned space flight. Yuri Gagarin achieved that in 1961, the space race ended in 1961.
The Soviet Union's space program was made to wipe the USA off the face of the earth, not to plant flags in other planets.
>>52855699
>It served no scientific purpose whatsoever.
here's your (You)
>>52853865
what
> 2015
> Ameristupids still think they won the space race
It really is getting pathetic at this point.
>>52861940
O CANADA
>>52861940
>Europeans still think they won the space race
Europe rides on one country which managed to to accomplish some small space feats first. Then it fell behind hard. Landing a human on the moon was one of many thing that contributed to the victory in the space race.
didn't know russians took vacations tbqh
>>52852798
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Space_Race
And the Soviet/Russian space program has been pretty damn irrelevant since the mid-1970s.
>>52860426
We've been hearing this for 100 years.
>>52852876
When you're actually in space, getting anywhere else is easy as fuck.
The landing itself is the only hard thing about the moon landing, and that's purely pilot skill and navigation assistance.
>>52861138
They were by far the highest stakes space missions ever.
>>52862320
This statement is egregiously wrong.
>>52852798
>>USSR launches first rocket
stupid uneducated maple nigger
The first ever controlled action in space was a photo taken from a captured V-2 rocket, launched by the US in 1946.
>>52861841
The purpose was to gain supremacy in space-flight capability. Being able to land a small metal rocket onto a specific small circular rock that is moving incredibly fast around Earth at a very far distance is harder than having a man just fly in space.
>>52853865
I think a better analogy would be for the sport of rowing where there is the common phrase of "Flying and dying" where you go super hard right out of the gate and then gradually crash and end up almost always losing as you don't have enough energy to win the race.
>>52853865
Or Americans just arbitrarily decided that whatever they did counted as 'winning' the space race.
>>52862474
China did it first Huns
>>52852798
>Why are Americans so pants-on-head retarded?
How fucking spastic are you?
I guess too much to play sports.
The only thing that has any meaning is the score at the END of the game.
You're such a fag I'm surprised you're not saying the Moon landing was a hoax.
>>52862401
It's not. It's literally just doing the launch in the correct window (for the moon, this isn't important) and burning correctly as well as small adjustments here and there. Orbital mechanics are not too hard.
If you're actually in space, travelling anywhere else is easy as fuck, it just takes assloads of time. Landings are the only risky and hard parts, and for the moon landings that comes down to piloting and assistance systems.
>>52862570
The Soviets explicitly agreed to it actually. What's funny is Russians really aren't sore losers about it. It's people like you who are.
Norway went to the moon first, I have pics as proofs.
>>52862594
into space slavlad, into space
>>52862594
We were the first nation in space. Even fucking wikipedia says this.
WE WUZ SPACEMEN 'N SHIT!
>>52862636
So you're just ignoring and diminishing the hardest part. Sending something to the Moon, landing, and returning is a lot harder than going into Earth orbit and returning.
>>52862646
kek'd
Everyone seems upset on Russia's behalf itt
>>52862646
>year 2030
>be an American Spaceman
>The US using SpaceX finally gets a man on Mars
>lands on mars
>going to become first man on Mars
>"Alright time to make history"
>step outside of the landing craft
>hear a voice
>"höhöhö welkome Amerikans dis is New Vinland"
>tfw
>>52852798
Sure :)
>>52852798
>"USA wun da space race, we numba wun oonga boonga!"
Stop being a fag.
I have never met a single American that went around bragging about landing on the Moon.
Actually, America is quite humble when it comes to this and also its domination of the Nobel Prizes. And before you shoot maple syrup through your nose in protest, understand that the USA has had 257 Nobel Prize winners BORN in America.
>>52862544
>Being able to land a small metal rocket onto a specific small circular rock that is moving incredibly fast around Earth at a very far distance is harder than having a man just fly in space.
That's like saying orbiting our star is hard because it's moving extremely fast.
It's your relative speed to the target that's important. The moon is not hard to get to, nor getting into orbit of.
>>52862736
I'm pointing out that the nation which sent the crew there is irrelevant. It comes down to how well someone can make adjustments.
>>52862632
You amerishits are so fucking dumb. No-one's complaining that you """""won""""" the space race. The reason people complain is because you stupid fucks see it as a competition when the scientific method is literally about collaboration and building on the work of others.
>>52862853
Cho tam oo moskaley ?
>>52862918
You're oversimplifying because you're scientifically illiterate. Every scientist in the world disagrees with you.
>>52862320
>When you're actually in space, getting anywhere else is easy as fuck.
>The landing itself is the only hard thing about the moon landing, and that's purely pilot skill and navigation assistance.
Look at this!
We should all feel honored--we have a genuine astronaut posting on /int.
>>52852798
Landing someone on another celestial body then taking this person home is at least an order of magnitude harder than putting someone in space, you dumbshit
>>52862827
Wait till you see our spaceships.
>>52862918
>speed is irrelevant
Take a basketball, put it on the ground, and try to hit it with a marble. It should be very, very easy.
Then take the same basketball, give it to a friend and tell him to throw it as fast as he can in a direction and try to hit it with a marble. It will be very fucking difficult. Imagine that the basketball is the moon+orbit.
Britian is about to claim the galaxy for Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II with Skylon, tbqhwy. Keep using those giant fireworks which the Germans gave you because you were too thick to work them out for yourselves, clappers.
>>52853576
>the Mir station is a hundred times more impressive than the Moon landing
how
>>52852798
Meanwhile China did nothing in the competition because you people were too busy starving.
>>52860426
>america wont be a superpower anymore in 20 years
But it wll take another 2,000 years after that before we reach the level of your disgusting shithole CUNTry.
>>52852798
space race is not sprint
it's a endurance run and while Soviets did well on start, they passed out in the middle of it
>>52863107
Your country has only ever put a satellite in space once, you have no bragging rights
>>52863032
>You're oversimplifying because you're scientifically illiterate. Every scientist in the world disagrees with you.
Lel, sure. I'm not saying the moon landing isn't an accomplishment, I'm pointing out that getting there is the easy part, and the landing comes down to the pilot and assistance systems.
If you're going to claim that a Hohmann transfer is hard, then kill yourself.
>>52863101
You do realise that this analogy is completely invalid and that the moon's orbital speed is comparatively slow to the distance it needs to travel to make a full orbit, right? The regularity of its orbit and the comparative slowness makes it a fairly easy target to get to.
>>52861168
>millions died by the interventions of america.
Don't worry Abdul--after we kill a few more millions of your pedophile-worshipping brothers we will finally reach the numbers of your glorious ancestors. Armenians have not forgotten and your day is coming.
>>52863264
You are continuing to claim orbiting Earth and returning is harder than going to the Moon, landing, then taking off and returning to Earth.
This is false in literally every conceivable way.
>>52862672
>fau 2
>space
or i missed something?
>>52863356
>You are continuing to claim orbiting Earth and returning is harder than going to the Moon, landing, then taking off and returning to Earth.
Haha, no. Quote me on this and I'll give you a fucking medal.
>>52863413
You're directly implied it this entire time. Why are you trying to backtrack on it now?
>>52863242
When we launch the first SSTO spaceplane from a British spaceport where will you be? Will you be watching on live TV?
>>52862544
>The purpose was to gain supremacy in space-flight capability.
The purpose was to have the capability to turn Washington into a crater with the press of a button.
Only stupid Americans kept investing in it and then fucked NASA after realizing how much money wasted it was.
>>52863459
No, I never did that. I said that when you are in space (by which I mean any orbit), getting somewhere else is not hard.
>>52863499
> fucked NASA
That must be why they have dominated planetary science for decades.
>>52863461
Since we're talking about science-fiction, I'll be on the moon sipping Champagne while Avril Lavigne bounces on my dick
>>52854445
>Longest time spent on Venus' surface
The fucking probe melted after taking one picture you inbred gypsy.
>>52863524
And then you went on to imply that landing on another object is easy, as is taking off from it again and safely returning it (and the people on board in the case on the Moon landings) to Earth. None of that is easy, at all.
>>52863356
What he's basically saying (I think) is that russians did the hardest part, you stood on their shoulders and did something more, which he mean to say is an easier road than is the road to actually getting into space.
>>52863524
>I said that when you are in space (by which I mean any orbit), getting somewhere else is not hard.
That's pretty wrong though. Depending on the orbit and where you want to go (and how fast you want to go), you may need some serious deltaV which can require a lot of fuel
On the topic of the moon landing, the USSR never had a rocket large/powerful enough to put such a quantity of fuel and equipment in orbit. They tried and failed miserably actually
>>52863655
> you stood on their shoulders
That's not even true. It was totally independent of work the Soviets did.
>>52863622
Landing on the moon is a lot easier than landing on Earth. Getting off the moon is a hella lot easier than getting off the Earth. This is because the moon has no atmosphere. How can you not know this?
>>52863793
>This is because the moon has no atmosphere.
This has fucking nothing to do with it. An atmosphere actually makes it easier to land because you can slow youself down with it. The reason NASA had to use the "sky crane" to land Curiosity is because the martian atmosphere isn't thick enough to use parachutes only
>>52863793
Ah yes, intentionally ignoring the point yet again.
>>52863793
You have to get to and land on the Moon in the first place to be able to take off from it you dumb fucking nigger.
>>52863617
Nice Ad hominem burger
>>52863622
>And then you went on to imply that landing on another object is easy, as is taking off from it again and safely returning it (and the people on board in the case on the Moon landings) to Earth. None of that is easy, at all.
>>52863264
>the landing comes down to the pilot and assistance systems.
>>52862918
>I'm pointing out that the nation which sent the crew there is irrelevant. It comes down to how well someone can make adjustments.
>>52862636
>Landings are the only risky and hard parts, and for the moon landings that comes down to piloting and assistance systems.
How does any of this imply that it's easy? In fact, I explicitly said that it's the fucking hard part.
>>52863699
>Depending on the orbit and where you want to go (and how fast you want to go), you may need some serious deltaV which can require a lot of fuel
Getting a good specific impulse is pretty important, and yes, pretty hard. This is something the Americans did pretty well with the Saturn V rocket. I'm talking specifically about the orbital mechanics behind it, since that's what I usually get the feeling that Americans back up their point with. The mechanics are not hard, however.
>On the topic of the moon landing, the USSR never had a rocket large/powerful enough to put such a quantity of fuel and equipment in orbit. They tried and failed miserably actually
The N1 should've been scrapped before it was ever even built. Whoever thought they could do with half a million weak rocket engines and insane plumbing should be shot. Seriously, it's the dumbest idea in the 20th century.
>>52863931
That's not me.
>>52863793
Nigga, landing on Earth is easier than landing on the Moon, since you can rely on the atmosphere to not only align your heatshield (due to the center of mass), but to also slow you down and let you deploy a parachute.
>>52863793
>Getting off the moon is a hella lot easier than getting off the Earth. This is because the moon has no atmosphere.
Are you really this fucking retarded?
Is everybody in Norway as fucked in the head as you are?
>>52864250
I'm a Swede. But if not landing on Earth is easier, then at the very least getting off the moon should be a lot easier than getting off the Earth.
>>52864061
>The N1 should've been scrapped before it was ever even built. Whoever thought they could do with half a million weak rocket engines and insane plumbing should be shot. Seriously, it's the dumbest idea in the 20th century.
Since they didn't have the technology to build large engines, it was the option they had. They had to give it a shot, I don't blame the engineers.
>>52863600
Avril Lavigne is still popular in france?
>>52864733
No but I always thought she was smoking hot and quite beautiful
>allegedly
